“Homa Arjomand, who lives in Toronto and headed Canada’s successful campaign of the International Campaign Against Sharia Court in Canada, says like Kanwar, she too once embraced the idea of multiculturalism.
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“‘I thought how wonderful, but not anymore,’ she declares.
“‘I came here for Canadian values, not sharia values. I fled Iran on horseback because the values there threatened my very life. If people want to live under sharia or the way they lived back home, let them go back,’ she said.
“Kanwar agrees. He says the time has come for the Canadian government to tell new immigrants ‘once you’re in Canada we expect you to be totally devoted to Canada — no divided loyalties.’
“‘This country,’ added Kanwar, ‘is a democracy and democracy is founded on Christian principles.
“‘Canada is — like it or not, take it or leave it — a country founded on Christian principles where the vast majority of citizens are Christians,’ said Kanwar.
“‘Yes, there’s separation of church and state but even that was a principle founded by Christians and Christianity. If Muslims, or anyone else, doesn’t like living in a land filled with Christians or in a democracy they should get the hell out.”
Hey Rick, I will stand beside you when the fighting starts.
Hans Rupprecht said, “If the homosexual lobby doesn’t believe [in Christianity], they can and do as they will; which is their right, if one truly believes in religious freedom. By the same logic those who don’t share the homosexual lobby values have the right to express their views without being hammered by reflexive ideological slogans.
“I mean really, if one is a dedicated atheist, agnostic, secularist do they really care a tinkers’ damn what God thinks or whether society grants them ‘inclusion’ about their behaviour if in their mind God doesn’t exist? What pray tell is the problem? Why look for societal approval if you don’t care what Christians think in the first place? Seems a little contradictory to me, in any event when SSM, is clearly contrary to Judeo-Christian values.”
“What pray tell is the problem? Why look for societal approval if you don’t care what Christians think in the first place?”
The fact is, Hans, the homosexual lobby doesn’t care about societal approval at all or what Christians think. By taking the SSM battle into the Church, their sole purpose is to rout the true Christian “dissenters” to their lifestyle in order to actually destroy the Christian Church by the age-old ploy of divide and conquer. There is more than a whiff of sulphur in the air.
Just take a look at two of Canada’s largest mainstream Christian denominations: the United Church of Canada (UCC) and the Anglican Church of Canada (ACC). They are being completely torn asunder and decimated by the debate over SSM. That three per cent (ten percent is Alfred Kinsey’s lie) of Canada’s population, with its demand that their sexual preferences take precedence over two millennia of Church teaching, have been able to nearly destroy two of Canada’s largest Christian Churches is a testament to a) the stupidity and vapidity of Canadians and the UCC and ACC hierarchies, who have aided and abetted the gay agenda in their churches and b) to the gay lobby’s single-minded and deadly accurate targeting of one of probably the main bastion of objection to their lifestyle of choice: Christianity.
I’m giving the ACC and the UCC a few more years to limp along, in the hopes that having opened the door to the gay lifestyle and SSM (a very different thing from loving and supporting ALL people whatever their sexual orientation, within the framework of the standard that ALL Christians are called to, which is chastity and, if unmarried, celibacy), ‘open-minded’ and ‘tolerant’ Christians will keep the Churches afloat. Sadly, that scenario is very unlikely.
I predict that Anglicans and United Church believers will splinter off into schismatic groups or will join other Churches, and the once powerful ACC and UCC will be left in smouldering ruins. If the hierarchies in these churches think that gay supporters, out of gratitude, will financially resurrect them, they will be mistaken. The gay lifestyle, by definition, is narcissistic and inward looking. Many will be jubilant that they were able to take down these churches, and other more gentle but naïve souls will look in wonderment that their Utopian dream was just that, a dream. (ten percent is Alfred Kinsey’s lie),
Hans said, “We’re all immigrants”
Maybe you immigrated here, but I did not. being an immigrant would indicate that I immigrated. Unless you count moving between provinces as immigration, I am not an Immigrant.
My great grandmother immigrated here at the turn of the last century. She was an immigrant. The rest of my family was here before WWII. Although I have not served, aside from air cadets, I have three generations of military service within my family tree.
I have no ties to any other country and I have a fierce loyalty to Canada. I take issue with someone who insults me by saying that I am from somwhere else.
Left wing Canada has made tried their best to make me admit that I am of some other nationality. In have actually argued with government representatives when I stated my nationality as Canadian. They just couldn’t accept it. Are my children Canadian? Will their children be Canadian?
I am not knocking people who want to retain their heritage, but I have never been off this continent so I do not see how I can be called an Immigrant.
My loyalties are deep rooted and part of my character and I am loyal to my country – Canada, then Saskatchewn and my home town. I am more loyal to the USA than I am to any country that any of my ancestors may have come from.
Calling me an Immigrant is taken as an insult and I do not appreciate it.
Trevor
Trevor:
EBD said: “We’re all immigrants”
I was merely quoting him. Of course since the advent of Confederation 1867 legally we have what is known as:
“Natural Born Canadians”
Your offence at me is misplaced. You are quite correct, there are many natural Canadians, but if you go back enough generations our ‘greater families’ all immigrated here at some stage of history, including the natives if you go back far enough.
Depending on your perspective, ie legal, you are correct. From a historical/paleontological perspective everybody is an “immigrant” even if Canada didn’t exist at the time. Waves of migration are just part of human history, nation states just like to be able to count how many in a given year etc.
So Trevor could you pass the CANADIAN maple syrup?
Cheers.
ok4ua
“You right wingers scare me. The Nazis,The Japenese and the Italians in WWII thought they were meant to rule the world by Devine rights. Bullshit is all that is. Knowledge and reason are the best religion.”
And by what right did the blood-soaked godless communists rule while killing 140 million people last century? What knowledge, what reason had they?
The Nazis and Italians were run by national socialists who are not much different than communists to any reasonable person. Both Hitler and Mussolini used religion as a prop, not a central pillar of their vile socialist ideology.
The Japanese were xenophobic imperialists whose (non-Christian) Bushido faith preached racial superiority. In their case, their racist religion gave them the excuse to plan an colonization plan to pillage Asia’s resources.
There are no group of people on earth so dogmatic, so intolerant, so sure of their own infallibility and righteousness than the secular humanist/Marxist left. They have their heresies, their various levels of clergy who “keep the faith” and defend it with all the fervour of the Spanish conquistadores. Salem has nothing on the secular left. No religion is necessary for human beings to do great evil. Religion is merely one excuse among many.
And ok4ua, quite frankly you must be a bit effete to scare so easily…
Do profound thoughts like that generally constitute an answer? Sheesh.
You probably need to go back and read what I wrote, I said common sense principles cross faiths – not governments. You know, stuff like, don’t kill people, don’t steal other peoples stuff, be good to your parents, etc…. all very basic common sense concepts that christianity chares with other faiths.
Stageleft,
Then apparently the left has no common sense.
It’s the left’s state-sponsored theft of what doesn’t belong to them that makes them the good Marxists they are. The left’s whole shtick is to use the coercive power of the state to steal what they refuse to earn.
As for not killing people, the left only killed what? 140 million people last century?
The Cambodians commies weren’t too kind to their parents. They had a tendency to kill them (and every other adult they could find.)
Nope, no common sense there…
stageleft,
‘Common Sense’ was a philosophy and a term coined by the Scottish philosopher, Thomas Reid – who was also a Presbyterian – as most Scots of the Scottish Enlightenment were. So, the philosophy of ‘common sense’ as it’s applied to society, government, etc. is of course a Christian invention.
You lefties certainly get a good education on this blog. I can’t knock you for that. However, I’m still astounded that with your total lack of knowledge and common sense that you’ve managed to survive in this world thus far.
Hey Trevor, your history is very similar to many of us.
My granfathers …great grandfather arrived here in the 1830’s.
We are not immigrants, there is no place I can go (back/home) to except where I was born Hamilton Ont.
That makes us aboriginals, where do we apply for our tax free status cards….!!!!!!!!!..?
Sorry Hans,
I misread your post and I hadn’t read all of EBD’s post or followed your comment back.
Please accept my apologies. My ire was misplaced and should be directed at EBD’s comments.
sincerely,
Trevor
Oh, and you might also find it interesting to know that the term ‘Redneck’ was also coined by the Scottish. It means Scottish Presbyterian lowlander.
Trevor, it is never wrong to remember your roots. I certainly do every time I have perogy or cabbage rolls. My grandparents came over around the time of the “War to End All Wars” (that is WWI not the gulf war for all you moonies). To have to classify yourself as a hyphenated Canadian is just plain wrong on soo many levels. That isn’t the government’s job.
It has been proven down here in the US of A that government multiculturalism isn’t required for people to remember their heritage and still live in the great melting pot. I can point you to a Texas brewery that makes a great Czech style beer that goes back to it’s 1909 start by folks from the old country. Great sausages from smokehouses in the Hill country and of course the Mexico influence.
I am the Texas Canuck and I am Canadian. (sorry Joe)
Trevor:
Apologies, graciously accepted.
William: Yes, wouldn’t that be funny?
The government should have a “British French Judeo-Christian Act” similar to the “Indian Act” with all of its tortured racist “logic”.
When the government planners figure out the numbers with pre-Confederation roots there will be no more taxes due to the tax free status cards!!!
Hey, I think you may be on to something. This might be a creative way to lower taxes across Canada.
Hurrah!! Hurrah!! Hurrah!! Free at Last!
“And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:
Free at last! Free at last!
Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”
Martin Luther King, Jr.: “I Have a Dream”
Texas Canuck,
I agree with you. Any heritage that has been passed down to me by my family would have happened whether or not the government promoted multiculturalism.
Also, I think I enjoy other cultural traditions and cuisine from my home town in northern saskatchewan as much as I enjoy those of my own family.
I can remember going to fall suppers where the meal was put on by the local ladies group and there was probably as diverse a menu as you would find at any folkfest.
No amount of legislation can make someone remember or forget their heritage.
This all comes back to the left wing response to the original statement. When ever someone says that immigrants with urealistic expectations should not come to the coutry or they should leave, the left brings out the old cry “We are all immigrants!”
I am not an immigrunt, I was born here.
One of the main reasons that people of all descriptions come to Canada is because of the oportunities to escape countries that have intolerable living conditions. My observation is that these conditions are mostly caused by the Culture and Value systems of the people who occupy those lands.
So we have a good thing going here. Why? Because of the European Christian values of the majority of immigrants to this land. Not for any other reason.
Which value systems will sustain our prosperity
and freedom?
Holy schmokes, Trevor. Didn’t mean to cause such an uproar, or to imply that you are an immigrant. When I said “We’re all immigrants” I didn’t mean that we we all just got off the boat, but rather that — unless you’re aboriginal — your direct ancestors did. I should have said “this continent was populated by immigrants”; that’s the point I was trying to make.
The apparent sensitivity you feel about it reminds me of a Jon Stewart quip about his dad, who got off the boat at Ellis Island, put both feet on American soil and immediately turned around to those who were still coming down the ramp and said “Get off my land!”
stageleft: At least you reposted, but not very convincingly. From ok4ua, not a word. I challenge you both to defend your views in relation to the rebuttal I provided to each of you.
To recap my rebuttals:
1) ‘Stageleft and ok4ua, please be specific: “Common sense”, “knowledge and reason” are all very well–and, BTW, have all been well represented in much of the J-C dispensation over the centuries (universities, hospitals, orphanages, great art and music, “innocent until proven guilty” etc.)–but which democratic countries have sprung, fully formed, from such principles, minus the moral grounding and infrastructure of the Judeo-Christian heritage and its institutions?’
2) ‘”Common sense, knowledge, and reason” are all good things. But they leave out the heart of the matter.
Warning to stageleft: I’m about to disobey you! I’m going to quote a commandment. (Feel free to avert your eyes.)
The second great commandment is “Love thy neighbour as thyself”, in other words, the Golden Rule. It is the democratic countries of the world which have taken that as a core principle.
Do either stageleft or ok4ua have a quibble with this? If either can point to a non-democratic country that’s animated by this altruistic principle, I’d be very interested to know about it.’
My questions are clear and straightforward. If the reality the two of you propose has any merit, you should be able to answer these questions readily. I’m home and waiting.
Lucky woman to be able to flee on horseback.
Great to hear that you are looking out for the less fortunate, and subjecting your own worldly desires to the Golden Rule.
In my understanding there have been NO altruistic societies, except in fables.
Good to know your boots are on the ground and you are battling daily for the good of all.
Peace.
p.s. to OMMAG: Which value systems sustained the First Nations people of this land, their freedom and prosperity, for aeons before the arrival of the saviours? The same value system which made “intolerable living conditions” in the lands of the immigrants?