Do you suppose that on each April 7 in years to come, that thousands of citizens across the nation will gather in candlelight vigils in remembrance of men who have died by violence?
Update: Dogs and Cats Lie Down Together – In the comments, leftie blogger Ted (“Cerberus”) hammers out common ground with the right, endorsing death penalty for gang members and drug traffickers. Wonders never cease!
(just having a little fun with you, Ted.)
What about children who have died by violence – and often that violence is committed by women?
The uselessness and hypocritical irrelevance of these vigils – it’s beyond words.
Every year on International Women’s Day, I thank God for MEN, glorious, dysfunctional, endlessly horny, complex, complicated, vulnerable, fragile, brain-in-the-pants, sweet, lovely, wonderful MEN. And I’m particularly grateful for the fact that they don’t whinge and whine and expect a day in their honour. They are happy to just BE, provided, of course, their basic needs are met. It’s raining men, hallelujah it’s raining men, ta da da.
Do you suppose Aileen Wuornos is a heroine to some feminists? (Charlize Theron’s character in “Monster”)
IronLady,
do you suppose you could come over to my house and have a chat with my wife? I keep telling her men are all fundamentally stupid, and that she should start from there when dealing with us, but she just doesn’t seem to understand. She keeps expecting me to have more than one thought at any given time…
I’ve tried, but it just gives me a headache, and screws up my sports Sunday.
If she had your perspective, I’m 100% certain she’d be a happier person:)
A little perspective here, please.
The candlelight vigils in memory of the Ecole Polytechnique remember a group of innocent young women who were shot and killed *precisely* because they were women.
The men that died in the fields in Ontario this weekend – well, all the facts are not in, but on the face of it, this appears to be related to organized crime and/or drugs. (Why else are police questioning biker gangs?) If it turns out that these men were all innocent bystanders who somehow were in the wrong place at the wrong time, I’ll apologize to everyone, but I sincerely doubt it’s going to be necessary.
I believe there’s a world of difference between the death of a young woman who was simply attending class, and the death of a young man who willingly participated in an illegal and dangerous business. He knew the risks. I won’t be shedding any tears or lighting any candles for him.
Four women beat an 80 year old person to death last week in Toronto because he would’nt hand over the 1000 he won at bingo.
The 4 women are regulars at the bingo hall.
Lets try this,
Women are victims men are killers.
Women are victims men are killers.
Women are victims men are killers.
Nope,… it didn’t work, he’s still dead and those killers are still women.
My very unpopular opinion re the women killed yrs ago was-It was the fault of the feminists. They had been fighting for equality for yrs, men have been killing men for yrs, (valentine massacer(sp)and women had finally gained what they wanted. Men started killing women, just like they have killed men for yrs. Equality, isn’t it grand.
A little perspective here, please.
The candlelight vigils in memory of the Ecole Polytechnique remember a group of innocent young women who were shot and killed *precisely* because they were women.
Those women were killed precisely because there was an INSANE ALGERIAN MUSLIM MISOGYNIST loose on campus and no men with guns or the balls to stop him!
I guess it’s all in your perspective eh KevinB you girly-man
Wasn’t the guy who killed all those women a Muzi?
Something rarely mentioned by the MSM/Feministas of course. Just blame all men as usual.
Ah, the cult of the victim. Let’s hear y’all raise your hands for the 36 WOMEN – street women – who were used in snuff films then fed to the pigs here in Vancouver. A candlelight vigil for them too, or are they not ‘women’ because they were ladies of the street? Raise all the flags you want for the Montreal 14, but if we’re going to memorialize women, include the victims of the Pig Farm massacre please.
It is a woman’s world after all. With all the reproductive technologies out there now, it’s only a matter of time before men go the way of the Dodo. I am sure the feminazis couldn’t be happer.
It is a woman’s world after all. With all the reproductive technologies out there now, it’s only a matter of time before men go the way of the Dodo. I am sure the feminazis couldn’t be happier.
While we sit here a suck our thumbs over the unfortunate women who are killed in Canada … Consider the plight of the women of the Muslim world … South East Asia … India … then stick your thumb up the end of your mouth and rejoice that Women in the free western world have a billion times more freedom, power and protection than those others will ever have.
It’s the old story, the more they get the more they want … there is never enough ass kissing to go around is there?
Personally, I think a T-Shirt I saw once summed it up brilliantly for me. Something to the effect of “It’s my pussy, so I’ll make the rules”.
Least ways til she needs something… like money. Even then I’m confident she is still somehow making the rules, and that I’m just too dumb to cotton on to them.
Ah well, such is life.
I agree IronLady, why no mention of all those women in Van. Or the missing women from Edmonton and Calgary. Seems rather prejudicial holding vigil for women killed at a University, but not noting the ones which were killed walking the street.
A small child assisted Duke by typing: “Those women were killed precisely because there was an INSANE ALGERIAN MUSLIM MISOGYNIST loose on campus and no men with guns or the balls to stop him!”
Well, I’ll agree to insane and misogynist, but he was born in Canada, not Algeria, and I haven’t seen any evidence he was a practicing Muslim.
And while Duke may consider it an improvement to have armed men inside every classroom, I prefer a society where that’s generally unnecessary.
But, my major point, which seems to have escaped the Dukester, was that the original posting wondered if we would have candlelight vigils to commemorate the 8 dead men found in Ontario over the weekend – or at least, that’s the connection I made when Kate asks the question while linking to a report of the murders. And, as I tried to point out, if these men were engaged in crime, as seems very likely, I’ll shed no tears for them at all.
As for the Picton women, and the disappearing women in Alberta – I think it’s terrible that women who have chosen to enter the sex trade (which I can’t believe they do out of excitement or desire, but rather out of desperation) not only have to put up with shame and stigma, but have to fear for their lives because our hypocritical politicians, while not actually making prostitution illegal, make it almost impossible for the women to conduct their business in a way that allows some shred of security. That we don’t even acknowledge their disappearance is merely our final insult.
KevinB,
There have been a number of random mass-murders done by nutbars. Remember the one in Scotland where they guy killed a bunch of kids? The McDonalds? Columbine? Ever wonder why it’s referred to as “going postal”? (hint, these things have a higher tendency to happen at the post office.)
Notice there is no annual victim-fest for the victims of that nut who climbed the “watchtower” in Texas?
The Montreal Massacre hasn’t happened to women before or since. This event is not indicative of anything beyond one person’s insane actions. There is precisely zero to tie this to domestic violence or any societal trend at all (as you need more than one event to make a trend.)
The yearly two minutes hate directed at men is a way for sexist women to make gross generalizations about men that would be unacceptable if made by men about women.
I do not beat or kill women. Never have, never will. I have been hit by a few women (not all of it deserved…) but don’t go around whining about being a victim of Women – as if they’re all bad. I have nothing to apologize for, nothing to learn, nothing to be ashamed of. The women perpetrating this blood libel directed al ALL men do. It is bigotry plain and simple.
As for Lepine (not his real name.) He was the son of an Algerian Muslim. This is fact. What Lepine thought of his father’s religion we don’t know because the authorities have been amazingly uncurious of this part of the man’s past. When it comes to crimes committed by Muslims, the media, the police, the academics, the politicians are like the 3 monkeys who see no evil. Is there any evidence to point that he was Muslim? There may be but everyone is too afraid to look into the matter.
Warwick, my friend: Do you read my posts?
All I have said is that eight men who were probably engaged in criminal activity are NOT going to be remembered with candlelight vigils. I didn’t comment on the appropriateness of the sentiments expressed by some women at these vigils; I really don’t pay any attention to them. But, as the father of two rather precious girls, I do care about violence directed against women, of which Lepine’s rampage is the worst example in our history, and therefore the one we remember.
And, yes, Lepine had a Muslim father; he also had a Quebecois Catholic mother, whose name he decided to take in adolescence, so please don’t say it’s not his “real” name. And since his suicide note didn’t mention Allah or any of the other things you would expect from a practicing Muslim, I’m going to go out on a limb and say his father’s religion was irrelevant to his actions. If the authorities didn’t make a big deal of his father’s religion, maybe it’s because there was nothing to report.
And, yes, they don’t have a vigil remembering the people Charles “Texas Tower” Whitman killed. They don’t have one for the kids killed at Kent State either, or for Columbine, or for any of the mass murders that seem to crop up in the US every couple of years. Here’s a thought: maybe if they remembered those horrors a bit more often, they wouldn’t have so many.
Update- Police will hold a press conference at 3:00pm ET on the 8 murders
The Liberals underfunded the RCMP by at least 2200 officers over the years while the illegal drug trade and money laundering business was in the $30 billion range
posted by newsbeat1.com
i would imagine that you could hold a vigil for the 8 men found murdered if you wish. i’m not sure why though. however, i do understand why a vigil is held for the montreal 14. as a father of a beautiful daughter and a husband of a beautiful wife, i treasure the women in my life and am deeply committed to reminding people of the violence commiteed against women in our society. that would include murdered prostitutes by the way.
One WOMEN has been arrested in this case. Really, in Canada, a woman killer. Will she be treated differently than the 4 men. All gang members. Can’t wait for the lefties to come out to defend her as a poor girl, sexually abused as a child, or brainwashed by a dominant husband (remember Karla). Time to wake up and admit, women can and are more violent than men. It was a woman who ordered the killing in Waco.
Kevin,
They have massacres everywhere that the mentally ill wander.
Not his real name is not significantly different from saying not the name he was born with.
If you had sons you’d be best to worry about them, their likelihood of being murdered is far higher than a woman’s – not that you’d know it from the hysterics. Let me reiterate and expand: A man’s likelihood of being robbed, beaten, shot, stabbed, and/or murdered is far higher than the likelihood of a woman suffering the same. No candle-lit vigils for men though…
Remember that female doctor who jumped in front of a train in Toronto with her baby? The same week, a guy in London Ontario killed his family then himself. What do these things have in common? Well, in both cases, there was a murder and a suicide. In both cases, the perpetrator was family of the victims. In both cases, the perpetrator was mentally ill. What’s the difference? The media and politicians went on a cry-fest about how the “system” failed that doctor because her post-partum depression went untreated. Some of the media did mention the man’s much longer and better documented history of mental illness but most did not. The media that did had a quick comment at the end of their story. What they didn’t fail to do was make the case of “violence against women.” There was no shift of blame onto “the system” for failing the guy who should have received mental health care.
To sum: A mentally ill women killer is a victim and not to blame for her actions. A mentally ill male killer is a monster with no excuse and indicative of all men’s inherent violence against women. Apparently, equality means that a women is someone who has all the rights of a man but no accountability. Also apparent is that all men are collectively to blame for the crimes of a handful of nuts and/or criminals.
WOmen killers tend to be more passive perhaps, as in the instance of infanticide and the grandmother who was recently found guilty of starving and abusing her own grandson for years. The left can no longer defend some of the atrocities committed by women, although they will continue to try to portray them as the victims of men. I think what ruins men are lousy mothers. Senator Ann Cools said the same thing and was vilified. She’s a former social worker I believe.
“Do you suppose that on each April 7 in years to come, that thousands of citizens across the nation will gather in candlelight vigils in remembrance of men who have died by violence?”
Um, I’m going to take a stab here and guess… no. Maybe because 8 drug-dealing biker gang members being killed by 5 other drug-dealing biker gang members tends not to generate a lot of sympathy among the general public.
http://tinyurl.com/k28dh
But it’s nice to see everyone here eager, willing and able to make every attempt to score political points with innocent victims of horrible murders. Why show respect for the dead when they can be fodder for your partisanships.
Ted
Cerberus
You mean like your quick shot there Ted. Let’s see, if it’s not our partisanship your cleaving too… well then it’s got to be YOUR partisanship you sound off on:)
Two sides of the same coin Ted? Eh?
KevB said
“That we don’t even acknowledge their disappearance is merely our final insult.”
Right on Kev
There were 4 MEN killed by Gamil Garbi (son of a convicted wife beater muslim) at the University of Montreal that day.
Just because muslims are allowed to, and schooled on how to beat their wives in their holy book, probably has nothing to do with it.
Gamil was probably just a Leafs fan.
SARC OFF/
William:
That was a shot at everyone who uses the deaths of their fellow citizens to put down others. There some on the left and the right who try hard to refuse to do it, and there are some on the left (remember Layton blaming Martin for the deaths of homeless people because he balanced the budget?) and the right who do it every chance they get.
Ted
Cerberus
The Iron Lady writes: “I think what ruins men are lousy mothers.”
Well, if you include lousy fathers too, I’ll agree. I don’t think either sex has a monopoly, or even a prediliction, for ruining their kids. I’m an equal opportunity kind of guy.
I’m not so stupid that I believe women never commit violent acts against men; they do. Men also commit violent acts against women, and they do so more frequently than women do against men. That’s just statistical fact.
Here’s my non-PC reason for why that happens: women use their tongues as their main weapon. A friend of mine is a cop. He tells me that in domestic disputes, the man’s story frequently is “She wouldn’t stop nagging, so I hit her”.
Having been on the receiving end of verbal tongue lashings myself, I can sympathise. What is a man to do? Just sit there, taking the abuse, and burning up inside? (And I do recall a “public service” spot a few years that showed a man yelling at a woman with the tag line “Not all abuse is physical”. Funny, they didn’t show a woman yelling at a man..) And when she finally says something that pushes a guy over the edge – well, it’s his fault if he snaps.
What remedies does a man have? If he calls the police, and says his wife won’t shut up and she’s driving him crazy, the official police policy is to ask the *man* to leave the house. (Not to mention having the cops snicker at him) In fact, the only solution I’ve found is to do exactly that – walk out the door, and walk around the block a few times until I cool down.
So I don’t buy into the “all men are scum” myth that some here apparently think I do. Some women do push some men too far, and unfortunate things happen. Is it the woman’s fault for being too much of a scold, or the man’s for not being strong enough to take it? As always, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
You can’t take hurtful words back. They replay and replay forever in someone’s mind. I think, in fact, verbal abuse of any sort has serious repercussions. And I agree, lousy fathers can ruin a man, but they’re more likely to completely devastate a young girl (won’t get all Freudian here). But when you talk to a man who is struggling with women and relationships, get on to the subject of his relationship with his mother and you’ve got everything you need to know. In fact, I think I’ll write a book to top “He’s Just Not That Into You”. Something like “Every Mother’s Son and How You Can Spot a Lemon on the First Date.” I’ll revise it for the father/daughter relationship.
Iron Lady, at 12:35 you mentioned the 36 women of East Hastings who were used for *Snuff films*.
Was that ever proven? I suspected that could be a motive. Disgusting, just what is in demand by some people.
Sadly It would be possible, but I never did see that *snuff* motive firmly declared in the media.
I wonder too, about transporting a perp like Picton to and from court. One proven murder conviction should earn a life term and court presence should be by closed circuit TV from the cell. The $Millions cost.. must be a cheaper way to settle these things. Sodium Penathol..truth syrum?
I remeber reading Clifford Olsen had a viciously abusive father. No way that it’s just Moms who are at fault for problem kids.
TonyG, you won’t hear it in the media because it’s difficult to prove of course, unless somebody can find the films. But the community is small, and word has it that Picton is taking the fall for the local bikers who made the films. A friend of a friend a few times removed lives near there next door to somebody connected to the bikers, and this is what they’ve been told. I’m sure the cops know this, but again, hard to prove unless they can tap into an underground market or something.
Warwick said, “The yearly two minutes hate directed at men is a way for sexist women to make gross generalizations about men that would be unacceptable if made by men about women.”
Very, very true, right on.
The very sad truth of course is that all kinds of human beings die by violence all across the world all the time: men, women and children.
Mayb that would be worth a vigil…
I’d settle for tougher sentences for those who commit violence regardless of the demographics of the victim or perpetrator.
Vigils are about politics and agendas.
Warwick: all posts: very well put
JJM: re “sad truth”: never happen, no specific target for hate (men) in that idea
kevin b: open your mind to other possibilities:
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/info_dom.htm
just to start with