According to the OPP news conference presently ongoing, the eight slain men found in an Ontario farm field were all members of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, as is at least one of the five arrested and charged with 8 counts of first degree murder. All were killed by gunshot wounds.
Looks like the Hells Angels denial of responsibility might have been legit, after all – the phrase “internal cleansing” is being used.
CTV is now up with the details.
We’ll have to ask the Liberals how that gun registry’s working out…
Never mind the Wild West, looks like the Wild East, is a pretty good competitor.
No doubt the result of a squabble over territory for pushing drugs, hookers, weapons, or illegal gambling.
Some aspects of the Hollywood film Minority Report come to mind.
Right. So — in spite of the gun registry — motorcycle gangs are still shooting each other? Clearly, we need to crack down on motorcycles.
So if they don’t put a denial on their website for a murder can we assume they are guilty?
And with all Chretiens gun control wisdom why are organized crime gangs allowed to use the .ca domain?
Any lib lurkers from babble I would like to know how gun control would stop this.
Live by the sword etc ad nauseum….
Gun registry, thankfully swirling ’round the drain with PM Harper in charge. Nail the criminal, and prevent the citizen from becoming a criminal and the country will be better off for it.
As for dead gang members, well… Darwin was right.
Don’t worry, Dolton McGuinty has the answer “root causes”: guns from the US, Harris’ cuts to welfare, the fiscal imbalance.
when’s your vigil? as for the gun registry cracks…nice try nutjobs. i guess the bandidos were too busy filing income tax returns to register their weapons? it’s amazing how those who are directionally challenged blame the LPC for everything. Harper’s the boss now, he’s gonna crack down on crime or is that everywhere but Ontario? Hard to know though, he’s rarely seen these days and only in Ottawa or somewhere in Quebec.
That’s rich coming from a fella naming himself davidson in a thread about a motorcycle gang. Obviously they didn’t rely on Harleys to get to that field or they would still be alive. Thanks for making all our point about the gun registry.
What does an Infinity FX45 with blood stains in the back go for now days anyways?
As typical, the media jumped all over the HAMC without any substance to their whimsical accusations. An apology is due to the Hells, who are by the way, not a “gang” but a club.
Well at least the lib/left have evil white male gangs to crack down on, seeing as how their aren’t any other kind in Ontario.
“as for the gun registry cracks…nice try nut jobs.”
sez gnarly davidson.
The gun registry crack: Let’s see now, ah, $2 billion and still counting bodies, ya moron.
I was quite shocked when they charged people today. See, I was thinking it was a really complicated suicide pact.
Boneheads! Darwin at Work….
If the Bandidos’ did this and parked the car/corpses down the road we owe them a vote of thanks for making the investigation part so easy.
Saves a ton of money on OPP and Justice department costs.
Too bad these fine upstanding citizens will be ‘cycled’ through the systems revolving door so soon.
As for the gun registry…did the boys register their guns?? I guess not.
I’ll bet all the neighbours have either registered or given theirs away to avoid the hastle.
Harpers on the job.
Much as we have hopes for Harper , what can one do in a couple of months to undo 13 years of Liberal shuksters running the bailey.
As typical, the media jumped all over the HAMC without any substance to their whimsical accusations. An apology is due to the Hells, who are by the way, not a “gang” but a club.
yeah kinda like that afterschool club the Cripts.
Once again, we are reminded that biker gang members and associates are just “good old boys” and shouldn’t be viewed as organized crime.
In other news… if you swim in a sewer, eventually you stink…
I’ve always hated the phrase “ethnic cleansing”
At best it should be termed “genocide lite”
But this “internal cleansing” really sounds like an appropriate use of the word to me.
or those other organized crime groups – politicians and the police. There are more police charged with criminal offences than HAMC members
Texas and Canada in partnership!
Unless my info is a little out of date, basically the largest OMGs in North America are the Hell’s Angels, the Outlaws, the Pagans, and the Bandidos. (The Sons of Silence are the 5th largest.)
The Hell’s Angels have had long-standing wars with a number of the other huge biker gangs. Some of these wars have been put into abeyance, but these guys are always getting a loggerheads with each other.
The Bandits (as we affectionately call the Bandidos down here, HQ in Lubbock, TX) have an additional beef with the Hell’s Angels these days.
Sonny Borger left California and moved to Arizona, Bandit territory (as is most of the Southwest). A lot of Hell’s Angels went with Sonny. He now has a custom motorcycle shop outside of Phoenix. I think they’re called the Grove Creek Chapter, but I don’t have time to check.
Well sir, the Bandits are not going to be crazy about the most famous Hell’s Angel in the history of the world and his Filthy Few moving into their territory.
However, I don’t believe the Angels are responsible for this Bandido hit. But the Angels aren’t going to be crying about it either.
The only reason that some Loners decided to become Bandits is because the Angels co-opted half of the Loners, and as a result the remaining Loners had to have the support of a big biker club against the growth of the Angels. Otherwise, the Loners would have been crushed.
All of these big OMGs basically go around co-opting smaller clubs and incorporating them. To the best of my knowledge, the only country that has not been able to qualify itself is Japan, where I guess they just can’t get down enough.
Today one has to be careful diagnosing, because it has become common practice for the mob (the former Canadian government) to knock people off under the guise of the whole thing being a murder that appears to be a biker hit or a ‘gangsta’ hit.
Probably everyone should stay tuned, because there could be some unexpected developments.
“An apology is due to the Hells, who are by the way, not a “gang” but a club.”
Yeah, right. And pigs fly, too…
Answer: Eight dead outlaw motorcycle gang members.
Question: What’s the definition of a good start?
whether you like it or not, Bruce, your lib/left media friends were dead wrong about HAMC involvement. Nothing like a bit of egg on the face to get people grumpy.
Wow, it looks like the police are off to a good start. They have already charged 5-people with first-degree murder.
Read about it on the CTV or, if you must, the CBC.
whether you like it or not, Bruce, your lib/left media friends were dead wrong about HAMC involvement. Nothing like a bit of egg on the face to get people grumpy.
“There are more police charged with criminal offences than HAMC members…”
Oh really?? Let’s see the numbers, onion. Otherwise, maybe it’s not a good idea to post stupid remarks like that.
Can anyone spell ethknow klen-sing?
Appears the victims knew each other and were full-patch Bandidos. Check out the names willya;
George Jesso, 52, of Etobicoke;
George Kriarakis, 28, Luis Manny Raposo, 41, and Francesco Salerajno, 43, of Toronto;
John Muscedere, 48, of Chatham, Ont.; and
Paul Sinopoli, 30, of Sutton, Ont.
Jamie Flanz, 37, of Keswick, Ont., a “prospect” member, and
Michael Trotta, 31, of Mississauga, Ont., an associate member.
Biker outfit named the “Bandidos”.
The crest sports a pair of pistols, masked skull with horns, flaming skeletal hands, yep they are look like your local friendly target shooters club.
You can find em here:
http://www.bandidosmc.ca/supportshop.html
I don’t know about you, but if this is “cleansing” I don’t want to find out what a “full shave and bath” really means.
These guys are in a biker gang? I guess they couldn’t get a membership in a respectable ethnic social club!
As to the polive vs hell’s charges: of course the police are charged and convicted of more crimes than the hells: there are many, many, many times more officer in Toronto than there are Hells in Ontario or even the world. As to the rate of crimes… well I think the Hells might have the TPS beat on crimes per individual.
I am really shocked about the fast arrest.
what a waiste of vehicles,they could have just left them in the ditch!!!
The structure of an outlaw motorcycle gang is not like the hierarchy of La Cosa Nostra.
An OMG can consist of a lot of members, not all of whom are necessarily involved with criminal activity.
However, since their primary raison d’etre is to get together and live a wild and crazy lifestyle outside the rules and norms of society, crime is easy to come by. Sex orgies fueled with indiscriminate use of booze and drugs are the order of the day.
In this wild and free-wheeling association, many members become involved in criminal activity and rely on each other to take care of business.
Some bikers have learned from the mob and actually are rarely seen on motorcycles. They show up for meetings and ceremonial occasions, but otherwise would prefer to drive Ferraris and live in their homes with swimming pools, funded by their drug organizations.
In the US, bikers control most of the manufacture and distribution of methamphetamine. Naturally, a bunch of cranked-up bikers are pretty much capable of anything. If you were in the middle of a bunch of bikers and threw a rock in any direction, you would hit an ex-convict. So many have done jail time.
Many of these characters have ordinary jobs and mingle with straights every day. It is not impossible to exchange ordinary pleasantries with them when they are not off on some nefarious purpose.
Although they are bastions of organized crime, there are members who are not conspicuously involved in criminal activity, and so this gives bikers a deceptive platform from which to assert that they are not a criminal organization.
The Bandidos are no better or worse than any of the rest of them. There is enormous commonality among these born-to-be-wild characters.
Since the Loners were basically co-opted by the Angels and the Bandits, it is not impossible that some Bandits are in touch with former colleagues now in the Hell’s Angels. And it would not be unreasonable to wonder whether these Bandits were actually involved in some enterprise that would also be shared with former Loners in the Hell’s Angels. If such were the case, they would be guilty of cooperating with a rival OMG, and there fore concealing profits from their “brothers”.
Sure relieved to be told that “Violent Crime is down.” in this country!
Sure feel a whole lot better- not knowing the name of the 17 year old, who fired off two rounds from a shotgun at the bottom of my driveway, after whacking some guy and wounding two or three more, at a pizza joint a couple of blocks from here, a few weeks ago.
Would rather not know: that another one of the killings that nite, was in retaliation for a previous shooting, (reported in the newspapers as the ‘west end of Toronto’- when it was right across the street from here!)
Probably just as well- that under the terms of the ‘Young Offenders Act- that I am not allowed to even know who these people are! Duh?
You must also be relieved to be un-burdened with the identity of the suicide case at T.H.
To all the keyboard kommandos slagging the HAMC:
Please demonstrate that you are not some anonymous coward typing something that you would not have the cajones to say face to face to a member of the HAMC.
If you are so tough, please sign your real name.
“If you are so tough, please sign your real name.”
So, “Hog Tied” – that’s your real name?
Unusual!
Hey, Davidson:
I suppose I’ll have to expand for the logically challenged.
No one blamed the LPC for the massacre. Not one little bit. The biker gangs are responsible for the dead (and big loss there.)
The shot at the gun registry was pointing out that after spending $2BILLION on an ineffective and intrusive gun registry, gun crime is still with us.
It was saying the gun registry is a total waste of money and resources and does not a damn thing to make anyone safer – not even bikers.
I suppose pointing out the idiocy and irrelevance of LPC policy may seem like I was blaming the LPC for a bunch of murders committed by bikers. I can see how it was easy to make that leap – quite a feat of mental gymnastics! But not accurate. The LPC is merely guilty of stupidity and waste – not murder.
“The LPC is merely guilty of stupidity and waste..”
I think the jury is still out on the list of Librano foibles. Obviously, one would have to add CORRUPTION (aka ‘Racketeering’ in the USA) to ‘stupidity’ and ‘waste’. And give the Auditor General, the RCMP, and the Courts a little more time – I’m sure they will come up with some more examples.
Wasn’t it the Hell’s Angels chapter out of Toronto, criticizing our former PM Paul Martin as a “#%$##@)(** hypocrite”; last April 2005?
You know your country is in trouble when even the Hell’s Angels can’t stand the corruption.
If Hell’s Angels critique is a barometer of moral health in government, then truly we are deep in the shit.
Now, my question is when is the government going to realize that these horrible tragedies could have been avoided having drugs legalized and controlled? We are living in the same prohibition as before with the alcohol. It needs to stop in order to remove the financial sources from criminal groups. If drugs are legal they will not have business, if they dont have business they do not kill each other over business. It is a win win situation. If somebody wants to do drugs let them to it. If not let them live without it. It is that simple. Especially someone with a conservative mind should realize that the W O D is a failed brutal idiocy.