76 Replies to “The More The Left Changes”

  1. It’s true that the Reform Party at one point opposed greater Canadian participation on the ground in Bosnia because Canada simply didn’t have the capability at the time. However, earlier on, and just prior to the Srebernicia massacre, Reform advocated in one of those useless “take note” debates, that our fighter jets already on duty in Bosnia be used against the Serbs gathered around that doomed city. Of course, nobody paid much attention – one of the expressed reasons being that this would provoke the Serbs to attack our soldiers on the ground.

  2. And lets not forget Stalin was the anti-capitalist, pacifist,left-wing posterboy, who spent all his time spreading joy,love, and peace.

  3. Mark,
    I am not sure what I am supposed to be commenting on here. The enclyclopedia link goes to the front page.
    The other simply tells me that David Orchard and Michael Bliss jumped wrong on the Kosovo war, which I already knew about.

  4. bcl said:”If you really think labor should have approved of the first great futile slaugther of young men in the 20th century,…”
    bcl said: “Of course we can point to wars where the Left took the wrong stance.”
    bcl eats crow … CAW CAW CAW!
    Here is why bcl eats crow:
    Socialists… “labor”, as bcl puts it, approved Germany’s aggression in WWI.
    “On August 4, 1914, the German Social Democratic Party (SPD) fraction in the German parliament voted in favour of war credits enabling German imperialism to go to war.”

  5. So-called “Labor” in the days of WWI were largely ranks of domestic bolsheviks or Fabian socialists who had sympathy with the Russian civil/worker’s revolt. They believed that if they could keep Canada and the US out of the royal entanglements in Europe that the Monarchies of Germany and Russia would collapse creating a general domino effect in the decline and disempowerment of royalty/aristocracy in the European continent…which was a desired goal of global socialism/bolshevism….and one I might add that many populist democrats and republicans supported at the time.
    The difference is that once aristocratic autarchy was disempowered socialists wanted a utopian worker’s central dictatorship where as the populists of the era wanted to see European aristocracy’s plutocracy replaced with international free market capitalism and “liberal” ( as in JS Mill) democracies.
    Strange how the only nation on the European continent that has escaped the ravages of tyranny in the age of kings, the tyranny and Military crusades of post modern political fanaticism (fascism and communism) is tiny unaggressive Switzerland…the world’s oldest democracy and neutral power…where every citizen is armed and empowered as an extention of the government, the military and the police….strange how that works out eh?

  6. I always recall the proxy war in Spain ’37 – ’39. Where from Canada (left) came the McKenzie/Paps to aid the cause and bleed for Stalin, while Hitler perfected his war machine. Read Shirer “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” or the now released files from the Kremlin proving the Soviet leadership.

  7. Damn those German Socialists for being patriotic into the bargain and thus not saving the world from two world wars!
    I commented recently on propaganda distorting the issues on all sides, and that it was left to historians to separate fact from fiction after the event. I also should have pointed out that history is the handmaiden of politics (historians do have to teach and publish, and it’s easier to do both when you don’t swim against the stream.) Reading the exchanges of propaganda in this thread confirms both views.
    There is no point trying to argue for or against either side, because the arguments are not about facts but about interpretation. But let me raise a couple of general points.
    1. The socialism/communism decried so vehemently on this blog is a product of the unfettered capitalism of the 19th century. If you want pure capitalism, look at the 19th century and see how you like it and how it would work to-day.
    2. If you want to find out what WWI (or any war) was about, you are going to have to go beyond the “fast-food” scholarship of the internet and the personal opinion of bloggers. You also have to go beyond a good deal of general history (see the point about historians above.)
    3. Wars escape the control, direction and intentions of their initiators. One step leads to another, even in directions in which they might not want to go. Which is why it is very important to know what you are doing for what reason when you start, and how far you are prepared to go. Perhaps Clausewitz was right in suggesting that limited war is a contradiction in terms.
    4. Easy on fostering antagonism through propaganda. Would WWI have happened without the anglo-german antagonism that had been fostered for decades by both sides? Just make sure that your war against “islamofascism” does not turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
    5. There would have been no WWII without WWI. And the empires that were preserved in WWI were lost through WWII. And without the need to pacify the soldiery after the wars, there would have been no social measures – no “socialism” – in Great Britain or Canada!
    All in aid of being careful in judging the past and considering the future.

  8. Why,oh why,are so many here wasting so much energy shouting at a wall….How futile!

  9. Shaking the Foundations
    Excerpts:
    UK Secretary of State for Defence John Reid recently gave a widely publicized speech called “20th-Century Rules, 21st-Century Conflict”. Defence News (follow the link to the speech) summarized Reid’s theme: the era of great power wars is probably over and the system of laws which stemmed from them may no longer be suitable for the wars of the 21st century.
    Mr Reid said that the strategic landscape and its threats were new and unprecedentedly complex, with interlocking uncertainties in the ecological, economic, political and social spheres. The barbarism and lack of constraint of our terrorist opponents made it necessary to consider considering the legal framework in which they and we operated. The Defence Secretary said that without making specific proposals, it was time to ask whether current international law-originally developed for a world of state-to-state conflict now needed to be rebalanced between security and freedom, as UK domestic legislation has been. In particular, did international law adequately now address:
    * the threat from international terrorists, who can now threaten mass casualty attacks -and where there might be a case for new Geneva Protocols ?
    * the potential need to take pre-emptive action against imminent attack?
    * the possible requirement to intervene to stop mass murder and genocide?
    Although delivered in quiet, non-inflammatory phrases, Reid’s speech nevertheless managed to impugn three of the basic pillars of international law. His first question is whether the Geneva Convention needs to be updated.
    For centuries conflict between tribes, cities and states was completely unbridled and savage. Very gradually, mankind developed a range of conventions that they applied to constrain and moderate what is in essence a brutal activity. Eventually, these agreements became rules, which became laws. … But warfare continues to evolve, and, in its moral dimensions, we have now to cope with a deliberate regression towards barbaric terrorism by our opponents. A few weeks ago I spoke to students at King�s College here in London about the uneven nature of the modern battlefield, and the unconstrained enemy ranged against us. … Historically, of course, laws have always been adapted to better suit the times. When they have become out-dated, or less relevant, or less applicable to the realities of the day they have been modified or changed. This is true of all laws, domestic or international.

    John Reid’s last point challenges the principle of territorial sovereignty which has underpinned international law since the Peace of Westphalia. “Following the Thirty Years’ War … the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 established the notion of territorial sovereignty as a doctrine of noninterference in the affairs of other nations.” The doctrine of noninterference resulted in the opacity of sovereignty, in which the community of nations was literally blind to acts committed by sovereigns within their borders, however brutal those might be. Saddam Hussein for example, could gas the Kurds and the US actions to topple him for these and other reasons are perceived by some (such as by the Christian Peacemaker Teams, for example) as “illegal”. But Reid asks whether this opacity can still be sustained.

    Reid, before becoming the UK equivalent of SecDef was “a former member of the Communist Party of Great Britain (of which he has said: ‘I used to be a Communist. I used to believe in Santa Claus’)” and his views may be colored by his background. But I have no doubt that Reid’s remarks, whatever their actual merit, are the first stirrings of a debate which will eventually reshape the international environment of the 21st century. And the world is changing. Austin Bay links to a long article in the National Journal which talks about a new “strategic convergence” within NATO which basically asserts the alliance is gradually going to war as concretely expressed by its growing commitment to combat in Afghanistan. One of the implied objectives of NATO’s Afghan commitment is to gain experience in a new kind of warfare for which most of its members are unprepared but a recent hearing of the Senate Committee for Foreign Relations on Islamic Extremism in Europe strongly suggests that for the Continent at least, the war will also have a significant domestic component.

    The issues that Reid raised were all prefigured in one way or the other by the US experience from 2002 to the present. They find their echoes in the Plame Affair. Guantanamo Bay. The McCain Amendment. In Iraq. That these problems are now coming to the general attention of Europe suggests that the problems themselves are real. If so, there is no Last Helicopter out of the situation unless it can take us away from the 21st century.
    posted by wretchard at
    http://www.fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/

  10. Nasty bickering aside — this blog does a superb job of drawing out informed, passionate debate on Canadian history. Bravo, Kate.
    When the gullible become seduced by the religion of world order: Wokers World Government – Communism, in other words, the coverts get disconnected from the morality of right and wrong, as understood by the rest of us – the right-headed, right-minded citizens of canada and the planet.
    Socialists and communists shock the rest of us by their willingness to cut their neighbour’s throat – or watch – in the name of some International world movement of …. labour .
    Looking back at newspapers during times of national crisis truly demonstrates how some things never change. Politcal forces in orbit.
    9-11gmm

  11. April 09, 1917, Vimy Ridge.
    Lest We Forget.
    John McCrae
    In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row That mark our place; … We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. …
    http://www.english.emory.edu/LostPoets/McCrae.html – 2k – +
    Shock and Awe, 1917 (Vimy Ridge, April 9, 1917
    National Archives via CBC ^ | April 9, 2003 | Gary Graves
    Posted on 04/09/2006 7:59:03 AM PDT by Clive
    We may marvel at the firepower of the hundreds of missiles and smart bombs used in U.S. attacks on Iraq, but an overwhelming battlefield fusillade creating shock and awe is not a new idea. In fact, Canadian soldiers fighting in the First World War were pioneers of the tactic.
    It was at Vimy Ridge, a strategic 14-kilometre long escarpment that overlooks the Douai plain of France. German occupying troops controlled the ridge using a network of trenches that snaked along the crest and down into the valley, connecting with another network of natural caves. 150,000 French and British soldiers had died trying to take it back. Allied commanders believed the ridge to be impregnable.
    But the Canadians had a plan, the first battle strategy for this new nation’s commanders to conceive and execute on their own. Even military “experts” of the time admitted dubiously that the Canadians’ plan couldn’t be any worse than the British tactics at the Somme, which cost 24,000 Canadian casualties. So the Canadian army � all four divisions, totalling 100,000 men � got the go-ahead.
    The ground assault had been planned meticulously for months. Full-scale replicas of the Vimy terrain were built to rehearse unit commanders on what to expect both from the enemy and from Canadian units on either side. Canadian spotters had identified and mapped about 80 per cent of the German gun positions. Five kilometres of tunnels were dug in order to move Canadian troops and ammunition up to the front without their being seen by German observers. And for a couple of weeks leading up to the battle, Canadian and British artillery pounded the Germans with 2,500 tons of ammunition per day.
    At 5:30 in the morning on Easter Monday, April 9, 1917, the assault began. It was raining. It was freezing cold. And it began with a huge artillery barrage� shock and awe 1917-style.
    Over 1,100 cannons of various descriptions, from British heavy naval guns mounted on railway cars miles behind the battlefield, to portable field artillery pieces dragged into place by horses, mules or soldiers just behind the Canadian lines, fired continuously � in some cases until they exhausted their ammunition.
    The Canadian battle plan was simple: the withering barrage provided a screen for the Canadian troops to hide behind. Hundreds of shells would land at once, spraying plumes of muddy earth upward like a polluted version of some giant decorative water fountain. Every three minutes the 850 Canadian cannons would aim a little higher, advancing the row of shellfire forward by 90 metres.
    The attacking Canadian foot soldiers were expected to keep up, advancing, taking and occupying German positions, moving forward, never stopping, never racing ahead. Falling behind would make them clearer targets for German guns mounted higher up the ridge. Getting ahead of the artillery would put them in danger of being blasted by their own guns.
    The giant naval cannons focused on the reinforced concrete bunkers protecting German heavy gun emplacements. The immense but inaccurate shells sent plumes of dirt, concrete and shrapnel skyward with every impact. The craters left behind were as large as houses.
    The fight to take Vimy Ridge cost Canada dearly, but it would become the cornerstone of the nation’s image of its place in the world. In four days, 3,600 Canadian soldiers died, another 5,000 were wounded. But the ridge was taken, much of it in the first day. The valour of the troops, the originality of the plan, the success where larger, more established armies had failed, all contributed to a new nation’s pride.
    The battle was hailed as the first allied success of the long war, achieved mostly due to the innovation of using a creeping, continuous massive artillery barrage to protect squads of advancing troops. Both sides used the tactic in future battles.
    But even today we’re paying the cost. At Vimy and other former First World War battlefields, the ground is so full of unexploded ordnance that visitors are warned not to stray from marked pathways. The risk from shells that fell and never exploded is still so high that it’s too dangerous, nearly a century later, to walk onto the actual battlefield to search for remains of soldiers listed as “missing.” +
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611918/posts

  12. Haroon Siddiqui, everyone’s favourite Toronto Star Muslim columnist, writes in “A misguided mission that is destined to fail” that “Our 2,300 troops [if Afstan] are part of a “multinational operation” in which we are the only nation, the Dutch and the British having delayed their deployments.”
    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1144446612409&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795
    That is simply not true. According to a March 27 BBC report: “Britain began an enlarged deployment to Afghanistan last month, sending an extra 3,300 troops to the south.” No delay there. The same story also reports the death of a British soldier in in a road accident in southern Afghanistan. His deployment, rather than being delayed, was sadly ended.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4849074.stm
    The Dutch deployment of some 1,200 soldiers, to serve under the NATO International Security Assistance Force with the Canadians and British in southern Afghanistan, is proceeding as scheduled with arrival planned for early August.
    http://www.mindef.nl/en/
    Meawhile there are already 450 Dutch military personnel based at Kandahar along with our forces–where the Dutch fly ex-Canadian Chinook helicopters in support of our soldiers.
    http://server09.densan.ca/archivenews/060217/npt/060217aw.htm
    The Dutch also have some 250 special forces in the area engaged in, one would surmise, gasp, combat–alongside our JTF2.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/01/AR2006020102130_2.html
    The British, the Dutch and the Canadians are all now under US Operation Enduring Freedom until they transfer to NATO command this summer.
    http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/operations/archer/view_news_e.asp?id=1703
    More inaccurate and misleading drivel from our major media.
    Mark Ottawa

  13. Although this is a clear example of how the left only has one position on war (bad) no matter what the circumstances, the reality of the fact is that the First World War was a useless waste of life started by fat old men more concerned with their arrogant pride than with the lives of their people.
    Just another reason why we should have ditched our “ruling families” in the form of monarchies centuries ago, the worthless inbred degenerates.
    All that aside, though – nice research on the paper. Two thumbs up on that.

  14. Thanks maz 2 for the post on the Tamil Tigers…well financed by the past Liberal lefties. To use someone elses(bcl) words..it is the Libs who “thrill to bathing in human blood”
    Thank you to Prime Minister Stephen Harper for cutting funding to the Tamil Tigers.

  15. Wretchard posts on: War, as she is writ today: the Shadow War of which the MSM dares not report.
    The blogosphere is reporting: read on: +
    The world outside
    There’s a fascinating article in the Weekly Standard which grants a glimpse into the shadow war between state-sponsored terrorists and their pursuers. The accounts, based on documents captured in Afghanistan and Iraq, describe Saddam Hussein’s support for the Abu Sayyaf terror group in the Philippines.
    Up to this point, those materials have been kept from the American public. Now the proverbial dam has broken. On March 16, the U.S. government posted on the web 9 documents captured in Iraq, as well as 28 al Qaeda documents that had been released in February. Earlier last week, Foreign Affairs magazine published a lengthy article based on a review of 700 Iraqi documents by analysts with the Institute for Defense Analysis and the Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Virginia. Plans for the release of many more documents have been announced. And if the contents of the recently released materials and other documents obtained by The Weekly Standard are any indication, the discussion of the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s Iraq is about to get more interesting. …
    The documents indicated that Iraqi support for the Abu Sayyaf was handled through an Iraqi Embassy cell consisting of Ambassador Salah Samarmad, Third Secretary Ahmad Mahmud Ghalib , most likely an Iraqi intelligence officer and author of the “security report”; and Iraqi intelligence informers Muhammad al-Zanki, Abu Ahmad, and Omar Ghazal among others. Their reports record a roller-coaster relationship with the Mindanao-based terrorist organization. The Iraqis supported the Abu Sayyaf up until they kidnapped twenty civilians from a beach resort in Palawan in June 2001, an operation which netted three Americans: Guillermo Sobrero and the couple Tim and Marcia Burnham. Sobrero was subsequently beheaded; Tim Burnham died in the rescue attempt. The Iraqis briefly suspended their support and covered their tracks as the kidnapping became international news but resumed their assistance shortly thereafter. As the Weekly Standard put it: “Why did the Iraqis begin funding Abu Sayyaf, which had long been considered a regional terrorist group concerned mainly with making money? Why did they suspend their support in 2001? And why did the Iraqis resume this relationship and, according to the congressional testimony of one State Department regional specialist, intensify it?” The post-September 11 stages of Saddam’s relationship with the Abu Sayyaf are exemplified in a 2002 operation which successfully killed an American soldier and attempted to kill Filipino children in a school playground. + more
    http://www.fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/990ieqmb.asp

  16. Trouble in Marxist Paradise: Protesters Take to Streets in Venezuela
    ChronWatch ^ | April 09, 2006 | Jim Kouri
    Posted on 04/09/2006 5:25:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston Churchill
    Protesters in Venezuela are taking to the streets in the thousands in anger over the recovery of the bodies of three boys kidnapped on their way to school. Don�t expect to read or hear about it in the US news media. There�s trouble in President Hugo Chavez�s Marxist utopia and it�s not a pretty sight for his leftist cheerleaders in the US and Europe.
    Police wearing riot gear fired tear gas at demonstrators blocking a road as thousands of marchers brought Caracas traffic to a standstill while demanding justice, according to video from the BBC.
    After the protests, the capital�s mayor said he was replacing the chief of police with an army brigadier general, which probably means the government will use more force when dealing with demonstrators, reports the BBC.
    According to several English-speaking correspondents, there is frustration over the �perceived rise in crime.� Perceived nothing. Caracas is turning into the crime capital of Latin America — and it�s President Chavez�s fault. Most of the violence is targeting Venezuela�s upper-middle class and wealthy, something he�s encouraged in his vitriolic speeches.
    Jason, Kevin and John Faddoul – aged 12, 13 and 17 respectively — were abducted while being driven to school in February. They held dual Canadian-Venezuelan citizenship, according to the BBC.
    The bullet-ridden bodies resting in fetal position of the three Faddoul brothers — John, 17, Kevin, 13, and Jason, 12, with dual Canadian-Venezuelan citizenship — were found on Tuesday just outside of Caracas, more than a month after they were kidnapped at a bogus police checkpoint on their way to school. Their driver was also killed and the kidnappers remain at large and the police have few clues.
    In a country suffering from rampant crime, the killings drew an enormous amount of mourning and a sudden outburst of frustration at the anxiety Venezuelans feel about their security. Alejandro Linares, a 19-year-old university student, spoke of �a sensation of insecurity that at times you don�t trust your neighbor,� according to Associated Press-UK. + more plus photos…
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612153/posts

  17. “Don�t expect to read or hear about it in the US news media.”
    whoever wrote this shouldve probably at least checked some US media webpages before he wrote it.

  18. Williamlyonmakenzie; Your post re: the underlying causes and motivations behind WWI are absolutly accurate from all that I have read. I have also read that Germany sent the people of Russia a nice little “present” in a special sealed railway passager car – Mr. Lenin. The Russian army was in crisis, the Czar was ruled by his unbalanced wife who was driven ‘around the bend ‘ with anxity over the health of the Tsarivitch and she had put all her faith in the fanatical ravings of a craven monk from the Russian outback who appeared to be able to keep the child alive.
    Russia was on the brink of becomming a DEMOCRATIC super power prior to WWI, the Czar took over though when war was declared and the inability of the Duma to make decisions during the conflict allowed the people to be hoodwinked by the communist thugs that staged a ‘coup d’etat’ right after the Czar resigned; the Russians had about three months of ‘freedom’ from assorted Czars, and the bloodthirsty Commies who moved in with the ‘help’ of the German government. Canada sent troops to help the army that was fighting the Communists but they eventually left because the ‘White’ army had been bled to death on the German frount and the senseless slaughter that had been allowed to happen by the Czar, ruled by his wife, ruled by a debauched monk (Rasputian). Apparently, the ‘target’ for the commie intelectuals in Europe was England but the Brits didn’t take to Communism (too used to having a say in who was running their country, I guess), anyway GB told them to get out, so the Commies moved into poor , crippled, semi educated Russia where the element of surprise worked for them. I have knowticed this about the left – they never pick a fair fight and they love to kick the entity they are aggressing against when that entity is down.
    After the coup ,the Russians slammed the door to the rest of the world and tortured their people without restitions or outrage from the free world for 70 years. This is the free world’s shame – this is what happens to people when everyone stays at home and says nothing as fingernails are pulled from unarmed citizens in Totalitarian countries. My mom was a RCAF girl in WWII and she says the soldiers wanted to go liberate the poeople of the Soviet Union after they had won the war against Germany but because McKenzie King was ‘not at home’ (crazy) and old Rosevelt wanted to go home to die, the peace at Yalta was signed. The soldiers and Churchill would have freed the enslaved Russian people if they could have had their way. BTW did any of you know that 30,000 Cossaks, in the Ukraine, were slaughtered by Stalin AFTER the treaty of Yalta was signed and they shot POWs as they got off trains in their own country. (unarmed soldiers! ) It does not get more brutal than that.

  19. Today we debate our role in Afghanistan. This is a non voting debate, we will discuss but there will be no vote afterwards.
    Please take note that our troops are in Afghanistan because of a Liberal commitment NOT CPC! Also note that although liberals avoid war they will approve of it when it is just and necessary.
    I’m not making this up.

  20. It is refreshing to see our government take a stand on something. For too many years we have been unwilling to directly commit to anything without polling, talk, feedback, more talk, more polls and then half-assedly doing something.
    The Cons have committed to Afghanistan and with this take note debate are forcing the ndp and liberals to state their positions. For good or bad the other parties are going to have trouble weaseling out of this.
    This is what Canada feels like with a leader in charge.
    enough

  21. This is a dirge for a people who have castrated
    and spayed themselves in obeisance/submission to socialism.
    Woe to the people of Zimbabwe.
    Down with socialism. +
    We deserve no sympathy
    (we Zimbabweans remained unarmed and cowardly in the face of Mugabe)
    NewZimbabwe.com ^ | 04/09/2006 22:53:56 | Masola wa Dabudabu
    Posted on 04/10/2006 8:06:27 AM PDT by dead
    I SHALL start with the things we have done in an effort to shake Robert Mugabe off our weary backs.
    We have shied away from confrontation. In our meekness as Zimbabweans, we have offered our spears, shields, knobkerries and clubs to Mugabe in a self-defeating stance of pacifism. We have avoided our right to defend ourselves from aggression by assuming that if we remain unarmed and cowardly, Mugabe the aggressor may not attack us.
    We have shamelessly sold out our dignity to Mugabe�s wicked ways. The proverbial phoenix may never rise again. We deserve the humiliation; for in our expedience to avoid shedding a few drops of blood from the throats of our adversaries, we have allowed our enemies to drain all the blood that could possibly flow in our veins.
    What we have done is pure spineless cowardice of the worst dishonour. We have shamelessly committed infanticide and crowned the cowardly act with suicide. There is no worse way of killing your own progeny. There is no worse way of castrating oneself.
    Politically, we are neuters that parade sterility everywhere we go. We are what we are because we choose to be what we are; castrated men and spayed women. Our courage is as effective as that of a pride of toothless lions wondering in a zoo somewhere in Beijing.
    Dancing is one way of celebrating humanity; happiness and achievement. We have attended dances organised by Mugabe. We have tucked our sorry tails between our ungainly legs and accepted invitations to Mugabe�s s�ances. Without contrition, we have accepted gourds filled with the blood of our own and taken gulps that would shame a camel that has not been to an oasis for months. We have enjoyed the self-demeaning dances we have had with the witching Mugabe.
    In mitigation, we have all asked, �What effect will a single dance with a demon do to a whole life-time?� We have been extremely careless with our conscience. We have been unkind to ourselves and our own kind. There is no defence in dining, wining and dancing with the enemy; not even in your dreams! At every instance Mugabe dances with us, he puts a tally in his black book of notoriety. We are affording Mugabe achievements he ordinarily should not enjoy. We are to blame.
    We have voluntarily accepted to swimming session in a sewage pond full to the bream with Mugabe�s excreta. Can we call ourselves a people with dignity? Should we not be called yellow-bellied cowards? Countrymen, enjoy the breast-stroke in the pond of shame! It is so ironic that some of you have gone on to excel in the Olympics through persistent swimming lessons in Mugabe�s dirty pond. What would we say; the reward of a diplomatic passport is testimony!
    We are disgusting cry-babies of the worst bloodline! We sob and expect Mugabe to exercise some tender-heartedness in soothing us. We forget that at the moment Mugabe wipes off our tears, it would be to give us false hope; to lull us into submission so that when the spirit of Dracula in him urges him to have our blood; we would be so engrossed in our small false comfort zone to defend ourselves. We are utterly brainless, spineless, and to say the least, lost in our own domain!
    Like the farmer who fattens his livestock for slaughter; Mugabe has the ability, time and depraved motive to feed us growers� mash for a blood-sucking day. We are Mugabe�s sheep. Probably when he sucks our blood we do not even bleat in agony; we donate all our blood in silence.
    We have done nothing to emancipate ourselves from Mugabe�s perfidy.
    Now for the places we have gone in search of deliverance from Mugabe�s unearthly evil!
    We have all flocked to Zvimba to pay ungodly homage to Mugabe�s cruelty. We have saved huge sums of money for Zimbabwe�s own version of the Hajj; the �greatest trip on earth�. We have made pilgrims to Zvimba in a fashion Mecca is religiously pilgrimaged. Forgive me for knowing where Zvimba is!
    Mugabe�s state house is one other place we have visited. We have presented our credentials of dishonour to him in an amazingly dishonest fashion. We have accepted hugs from the brute and pecks on the cheeks from his less-than-honourable wife. We have joined the empiric family in their cannibalistic dinners. Hail Emperor Bokassa! Hail Emperor Mugabe. We have recited poems of praise to the cannibal! I know where state house is. Forgive them Lord those who visit state house for they do not know that the meat they eat there is the flesh of their own kith and kin.
    We have been to Cuba, to China and to Iran. + more
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612421/posts
    http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/masola35.14017.html

  22. enough,
    Enough of conservative paranoia.
    The Liberals did take a stand and did send our troops into Afghanistan.
    Do I have to say it again before conservatives start getting it.
    The Liberals did take a stand and did send our troops into Afghanistan.
    Now that myth is dispelled lets start working on some other ones. Like the so called infantilisim that conservatives accuse Liberals of. Conservatives are infinitely more child-like than Liberals.

  23. …. the more they [the left/socialists/communists] remain the same:
    yesterday, today, & forever:
    Control, coercion, Death.
    Kim Marxist Party in US/Korea, & Doer Marxist in Manitoba, Canada. +
    Immigration protest organizers tied to Marxist Party
    One of the key organizers of the immigration protests and rallies nationwide, including yesterday’s in Washington, is a group whose leaders are tied to the Workers World Party, a Marxist organization that has expressed support for dictators Kim Jong-il of North Korea and Saddam Hussein of Iraq. +
    Manitoba to ban floor crossing by politicians
    “If you’re elected as a Conservative, you can’t cross the floor to the Liberals,” Doer explained on Monday. +
    via nealenews.com

  24. Some strange things come from the lips of the CBC. For a couple of days up to the discussion last night on Afghanistan, the CBC kept saying that the country was divided on this issue and that people were discussing this on coffee row, at the water fountain and on and on and on creating this sense of urgency and this sense that people were really talking about this a lot. I have never heard or overheard ANYONE speak to this…… NEVER. I do not know anyone who does not understand why we are there and exactly what we are doing there. This is blatant politiking at it’s most vile by the CBC.

  25. Before rushing off in a tizzy after reading poster Cjunk, who is extremely nervous about Moslems, one might reflect that the Moslem population of Canada is estimated at 253,000 while the Canadian Jewish population is at 364,000. Not much to worry about there in a population of over 30 million, but it might be a good idea to find out why we hear so much positive Jewish propaganda and so much negative stuff about the Moslems. And why does our government sound like a branch office for Israel Inc. Have the Aspers bought that too?
    Maybe it is because the Israeli’s are poor, oppressed lovers of human rights while the Moslems are dominating land greedy murderers who brutally crush the helpless Israelis, right?
    Funny thing is, I did read one of the important Rabis saying that the lives of 27 Moslem people murdered while at prayer were not worth one Jewish fingernail.
    The Moslem people here seem to have checked their guns at the door. Why not propose the same to Canadian Jews.

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