The Anti-Reagan

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He’s not the anti-Bush – he’s the anti-Reagan!

Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama’s decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries.
“Betrayal! The U.S. sold us to Russia and stabbed us in the back,” the Polish tabloid Fakt declared on its front page.
Polish President Lech Kaczynski said he was concerned that Obama’s new strategy leaves Poland in a dangerous “gray zone” between Western Europe and the old Soviet sphere.
Recent events in the region have rattled nerves throughout central and eastern Europe, a region controlled by Moscow during the Cold War, including the war last summer between Russia and Georgia and ongoing efforts by Russia to regain influence in Ukraine. A Russian cutoff of gas to Ukraine last winter left many Europeans without heat.
The Bush administration’s plan would have been “a major step in preventing various disturbing trends in our region of the world,” Kaczynski said in a guest editorial in the daily Fakt and also carried on his presidential Web site.
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said he still sees a chance for Poles and Czechs to participate in the redesigned missile defense system. But that did not appear to calm nerves in Warsaw or Prague.

Ahmadinejad approves, while Putin is pleased – “I expect that after this correct and brave decision, others will follow”
No doubt.

50 Replies to “The Anti-Reagan”

  1. World War II was started by the invasion of Poland by the Germans. The US and England sold them out to the Soviets after the war. They are probably getting a sense of deja vu. Can’t say as I blame them.
    Interesting that Chicago has the biggest Polish population in the World outside of Poland. I guess he’s not worried about those voters.

  2. The Polish president is concerned and so should the entire Western World. The dismantling of America
    is underway. It is not a large step from Charisma to demagogue, Obama has taken it in stride!
    The final flash point will be Israel. Obama will spit and squirm until the last Israeli is….

  3. Obama’s just cleaving to his natural allies. Other tyrants and communists.
    Look for Poland to start building nuclear reactors and looking into missile construction. If the Chicoms can do it, and the Keystone Kop Iranian nutbags can do it, anybody can do it. Hell, they could probably buy this stuff from France.
    Still, there’s something about the thought of a Polish ICBM that begs for a joke.

  4. Phantom, I was thinking the same thing about the Poles developing nukes. But methinks the apparatus of Polish government is probably rife with Russian spooks. The first victim of a nuclear attack related to Poland is likely their head of state who might find a little cobalt thorium G in his morning coffee courtesy of Vlad The Nuclear. Worked before.

  7. The Obama Nightmare continues.
    Poland and Ukraine are catholic Christian nations. Can there be anything Obama and his tribe of Orcs could despise more.
    One world government with a pack of squabbling despots in perpetual battle over the contol of plunder coming to a planet near you.
    I am glad I am old.

  9. The van Jones and Rev Wright’s plans are unfolding as they hoped. Hey guys, Poland was not prepared for 1939, but they gave the Soviets a drubbing and a big scare in 1920 and were probably the most apt to rebel during the years 1945 to 1990.

  10. Aaron – do you think that the taking down of the Berlin Wall was a ‘capitulation to socialism’? Was the Cold War a capitulation to socialism?
    Please do not equate Obama to the US; the two are quite different.
    Obama is enabling a massive new alliance to appear, with a socialist and imperialist agenda. This alliance is Russia-Iran-Venezuala. Each ‘node’ has their own imperial agendas in their respective geographical terrains. And each ‘node’ has a particular political mode: socialism. And totalitarianism. Obama is actively enabling this network to emerge and develop.
    He has insulted and snubbed former allies of the US (UK, France, etc); he has denigrated America around the world, defining its pre-Obama nature as ‘rogue’. He has shown his ‘obeisance’ to totalitarian dictators, bowing to the Saudi King; siding with Zelaya of Honduras who violated the Honduran constitution; ignoring and rejecting the democratic aims of the Iranian people and siding with their dictator.
    And his alignment with the radical leftists both before his presidency and now, reveal that he himself feels most comfortable and powerful within a socialist regime – where he becomes the dictator.
    We can see this tendency in his rejection of the right and duty of Congress to read and debate bills. In his rejection of the right and duty of Congress to initiate and pass bills. He expects Congress to rubber stamp ‘his’ bills…because they MUST do as Obama says.
    He’s dangerous.

  11. I’m hoping we don’t see the iron curtain fall back across eastern Europe. Obama comes from a different generation than previous presidents, and may not appreciate the true evil of that calamity.

  13. Poland joined the United States in the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Only three other countries did: the UK, Australia, and Denmark. The Czech Republic wasn’t part of the invasion, but it did send troops once the invasion was complete. Russia opposed the invasion. So the empty suit in the White House rewards Russia and penalizes Poland and the Czech Republic. Tell me again how smart he is.

  14. Wow I can’t believe all the ignorant comments about Poland. For your info, the poles shot down almost two hundred German aircraft during the early days of the second world war. Flying obsolete aircraft to boot. Their tradespeople put Canadians to shame and their techs are second to none. People here seem to forget that tiny Poland fought a war on two fronts and were betrayed by the cowardly western leaders as well as their own. I do hope Poland develops their own ICBM’s and hopefully they will be pointed both east and west. BTW their fighters (planes , modern F-16’s and men) are far superior to anything Canada has.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooOybsmoodU&feature=related

  15. ET, I would say you’re pretty far off the mark with your “massive new alliance”. Russia-Iran-Venezuela would not be much of a threat on their own. China, however, is much more capable of threatening the US directly. Pakistan has nukes, an unstable government, and millions of muslim fanatics. These two countries are the two to worry about. Venezuela is a complete non-factor. Iran has lots of oil, but Russia already has that themselves. Iran has lots of bodies, but Russia also has that already. Iran’s military capability would be as insignificant as Iraq’s was when facing US forces.

  16. This has wider implication. If you were in Japan, watching North Korea test missiles off you coast, or in Taiwan watching red China rattle the saber, or in Jerusalem, or you were a secularist in Turkey/Pakistan, I would say that this caving by Obama should give you a good reason to pause and reflect.
    Maybe this is a time to keep your head down and try to appease your enemies for a while. Maybe you can buy enough time till the free world has a leader again.

  19. At the very least, let us at least hope that the bag of magic beans Obama traded for turns out to be real. Everybody pray for that.

  20. Obama should immediately visit Russia, and meet with Putin.
    And when he arrives back in Washington, I want to be there to see another great leader promise us,”peace in our time”.
    “I have a letter,signed by President Putin……”
    The MSM will eat it up.

  22. The undoing of socialism exists only in your imagination. Guess, you’ve never been to Putin’s Russia and all you know about it you, like Andy Tucker, read in the newspapers.

  23. Pete; you missed the point. Venezuela has the location – SCRM range to the US. Russia has the hardware and the bodies to export. Iran has MORE bodies to export. Individually, these 3 are annoying, but not much more. Take Venezuela’s proximity to the US, throw in Iran’s millions of warm bodies, and then equip them with Russia’s arsenal, and it is now a definite threat. and that is that much closer to be realized today, thanks to Obama.
    During the Cold War, Russia’s plan was the let the entire of Eastern Europe soak up all of NATO’s force and THEN beat down the remnants. Why would you think that has changed?

  24. Well, I have mixed feelings about it. Yeah, I get the betrayal and all, but, er, who cares. There’s no morality or ethics in foreign affairs. And besides the US is spent with help from massive over-reach in Iraq-A’stan. And as denizens of the lower socio-economic order stateside might put it, defending the world is “spendy”. (just heard it again in WA state a few days ago).
    Moreoever, for many years a little head voice has whispered, “Let the bloody Europeans defend themselves”. Certainly, western Europe became a super-sized welfare state and unserious region due to free US military defence.
    Mind you, I’ve just gone and done a terrible terrible thing. FINALLY read Albert Jay Noc’s Our Enemy, the State. I’m one very confused re-thinking-it-all hombre presently.
    Maz2 if you’re peeking in, you’ve mentioned this book a bunch of times, what?

  25. Obama is also the anti-Lincoln. Where Lincoln fought a war to free a nation and people of slavery, Obama is fighting a nation to return the people to being slaves of the State.
    Obama’s foreign policy of appeasing dictators and thugs, coupled with his abandonment of the now terrified allies, will loosen the leash on the maddest of the rabid tyrannical dogs. Someone will get bit and it will have to happen before the next president is sworn in.
    On the plus side, the media’s love affair with Obama has them finally jumping the shark in the minds of many people. Their jump was so huge, one could call it pole-vaulting the megalodon.

  26. Me no dhimmi writes: “Certainly, western Europe became a super-sized welfare state and unserious region due to free US military defence.”
    Which is why Bush should have followed through with plans to (and Harper should consider a plan to) move European forces from the moribund western Europe to Poland, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic.

  27. A bunch of paid idiots running around doing suicide runs and planting roadside bombs cannot defeat any military force unless the defeatist claque in the western MSM and their leftist cult leaders can prevail.
    I wonder what will be the “solution to the obstructionist American kulak problem”?

  28. 1. Most reports are calling it appeasement. That is the peacetime equivalent of retreat.
    2. The policy going all the way back to fdr was that centralized control of nukes, iow having an American with one set of keys to the launch control panel regardless of where the missles were stationed was an absolute imperative.
    A missles defense shield was intended to do the same thing in a more abstract sense. And it would have enabled a prevention if an arms race between foes like India and pakistan were to erupt.
    While many would and do argue that this policy turned many of the us’s allies into martial welfare states – Canada included – and that our allies should have been compelled to be independent in providing for their defense it certainly was not even remotely a popular position post WW2 up to the present day.
    The one thing that yesterdays retreat guarantees is a much more rapid pace of nuclear proliferation. How long before czecho and Poland and germany and japan and even south Korea develop their own nukes without any help from the US? (I bet israel has been getting lots of calls this morning)? Yet there has been nil debate in the US on thus complete Volte face on its foreign policy – it abandonment of the NNP treaty. And I bet hardy any of the left-wing pacifists who are among BOs strongest supporters understand this implication.
    Ironically, as many of the above nations get nuked-up the demands for a fast- tracked defense shield may bs developed faster than it otherwise would have. Let’s hope it is not done in the aftermath of a conflagration.

  29. I’m sure the Czechs and Poles are having some 1939 redux feelings this morning and are none too happy with this development.
    While there may be elements of missile defence that were technically problematic, taking a wash on the whole enterprise by executing the ‘volte face’ would suggest some arm twisting haggling going on at the diplomatic level.
    This seems to have mollified Putin somewhat, while Ahmadinejad continues with his ‘non-Holocaust’/Israel rhetoric and IAEA non-compliance.
    We shall see what the next UN Security Council talks will bring re the nuclear issue but Ahmadinejad appears as strident as ever notwithstanding ongoing protests in Iran.
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht-Commander in Chief
    Army Group “True North”
    1st St. Nicolaas Army

  30. Aaron: “Ukraine is Catholic nation. Whoa!”
    “There are also others which are considered “cleft countries” because they contain large groups of people identifying with separate civilizations. Examples include … Ukraine (“cleft” between its Eastern Rite Catholic-dominated western section and its Orthodox-dominated east)…”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

  31. At least Neville Chamberlain got a worthless paper agreement from Hitler prior to the invasion of Poland. Obama didn’t even get the the usual two kiss salute from Putin. Cheers.

  32. Felis, you don’t need to quote Wikipedia to me on Ukraine. I am kind of 3/8 Ukrainian. Western Uk is a small portion of the territory. Ukraine is an Orthodox country.
    Wikipedia, where facts don’t matter…
    Wikipedia, which anyone can edit, but no one can…
    From much more credible CIA world factbook:
    Ukrainian Orthodox – Kyiv Patriarchate 50.4%,
    Ukrainian Orthodox – Moscow Patriarchate 26.1%,
    Ukrainian Greek Catholic 8%,
    Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox 7.2%,
    Roman Catholic 2.2%,
    Protestant 2.2%,
    Jewish 0.6%,
    other 3.2% (2006 est.)
    When is your arrogance, people, will yield to modesty and urge for knowledge?

  34. No, Arron, I didn’t miss the point. Venezuela is a half-world away from Iran and Russia. It’s also 1300 miles from Florida. The US has naval supremacy in the Gulf of Mexico. They have air supremacy too. Russia wouldn’t send their navy so far from home just to be hopelessly outnumbered by US air. So the only threat Venezuela could possibly pose would be as a base for ICBMs. But why would Russia want to risk shipping ICBMs all the way to Venezuela, when they can already launch them from their subs? Iran has no means of deploying their multitude of men overseas, which means they are limited to their own small sphere of influence in their corner of the world. Incidentally, they are flanked by Iraq and Afghanistan which are, at the moment, sympathetic to the US and not Iran.

  35. Aaron, perhaps I should have quoted Samuel Huntington directly:
    “THE FAULT LINES between civilizations are replacing the political and ideological boundaries of the Cold War as the flash points for crisis and bloodshed. The Cold War began when the Iron Curtain divided Europe politically and ideologically. The Cold War ended with the end of the Iron Curtain. As the ideological division of Europe has disappeared, the cultural division of Europe between Western Christianity, on the one hand, and Orthodox Christianity and Islam, on the other, has reemerged. The most significant dividing line in Europe, as William Wallace has suggested, may well be the eastern boundary of Western Christianity in the year 1500. This line runs along what are now the boundaries between Finland and Russia and between the Baltic states and Russia, cuts through Belarus and Ukraine separating the more Catholic western Ukraine from Orthodox eastern Ukraine, swings westward separating Transylvania from the rest of Romania, and then goes through Yugoslavia almost exactly along the line now separating Croatia and Slovenia from the rest of Yugoslavia. In the Balkans this line, of course, coincides with the historic boundary between the Hapsburg and Ottoman empires. The peoples to the north and west of this line are Protestant or Catholic; they shared the common experiences of European history — feudalism, the Renaissance, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, the Industrial Revolution; they are generally economically better off than the peoples to the east; and they may now look forward to increasing involvement in a common European economy and to the consolidation of democratic political systems. The peoples to the east and south of this line are Orthodox or Muslim; they historically belonged to the Ottoman or Tsarist empires and were only lightly touched by the shaping events in the rest of Europe; they are generally less advanced economically; they seem much less likely to develop stable democratic political systems. The Velvet Curtain of culture has replaced the Iron Curtain of ideology as the most significant dividing line in Europe. As the events in Yugoslavia show, it is not only a line of difference; it is also at times a line of bloody conflict.”
    http://history.club.fatih.edu.tr/103%20Huntington%20Clash%20of%20Civilizations%20full%20text.htm
    I think the point he is trying to make, and one which is related to the point of this thread, is that a significant portion of Ukraine sees itself connected to the West.
    Here is the map Huntington used to describe the civilizational fault line in Ukraine:
    http://s02.middlebury.edu/FS056A/Herb_war/clash5.htm
    I’ve taken up enough of Kate’s bandwidth on this sub-topic, so this will be my last post on this thread.

  37. The missile defense system was promised to Poland. The track record of disappointing Poland is quite great. But really, Russia doesn’t have to invade Poland or any other country in the former Eastern Bloc. They have to charge exorbitant fees for heating gas, create foment and distrust with the current governments and then propose some sort of partnership with a puppet leader. Everything will be as it was before.

  39. ‘World War II was started by the invasion of Poland by the Germans. The US and England sold them out to the Soviets after the war. They are probably getting a sense of deja vu. Can’t say as I blame them.’
    Doug – I agree with what you have said above re: Poland and the Czech republic feeling betrayed but I feel that you have left out a few historical facts: Poland was invaded by the Soviets and the Germans simultaneously in 1939, Soviets from the East and Nazis from the NW. Most people forget that the Soviets and the Nazis had a non aggression pact in 1939 and the two tyrants agreed to divide Poland before the invasion. Soviet Union agreed not to interfere with any Nazi invasions as long as the Soviets could have free rein in the ‘repatriation’of former Russian protectorates. That all changed when the Nazis discovered that Soviet occupied states viewed the Nazis as liberators! The pact officially ended when Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.
    FDR in USA was a friend of the Soviet Union – he supported most of Stalin’s policies and stifled public criticism of the government orchestrated slaughter of millions of people living in the Soviet Union. FDR would not even help the American citizens who had left America in the 1920’s and 1930’s to help the new ‘Utopia’ get on it’s feet! FDR liked the Soviets way too well to help a Conservative like Winston Churchill fight a war against the idealism that he fundamentally agreed with…the American people, though were on the same page as Winston Churchill. Winston was not Prime Minister of Britain when the Brits betrayed the Poles, Czechs, and Austrians…and he did not like Stalin (or FDR, for that matter).
    Churchill fought for the former Soviet republics in Yalta but he was outgunned by FDR and Stalin – Britain was broke and short of soldiers, filled with war weary citizens in 1945. FDR gave Stalin everything that thug demanded and then turned tail to go home and die. The ungrateful Brits elected a Labor (Dipper/Liberal) Prime Minister to replace Winston Churchill BEFORE Truman assumed office.
    The Socialist/Fascist totalitarians won the war in Europe, even though they lost all the battles!
    Of note: Obama speaks of FDR very often but hardly ever mentions JF Kennedy – a man who had fought in WWII.
    President Bush had Yalta in prospective:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/may2005/yalt-m12.shtml

  40. Felis, what the heck are you trying to say, escapes me. My IQ must have dropped today below that of a snail.
    All I can say, I was replying to Mommar’s
    > Poland and Ukraine are catholic Christian nations.
    ???

  41. Just read an article on Politico (Ben Smith), regarding this topic. It would appear that the Polish people have been dissed by the best. Instead of contacting the Polish PM Tusk, Obama outsourced this change in plans to the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton. The Polish PM was not amused. What an amateur hour – Obama should just replace the American flag with a white petticoat and be done with international diplomacy. The White House will now forgo the “red phone” and all important foreign policy decisions will be made from the set of David Letterman. Cheers.

  42. Neville Chamberlain was re-arming England as fast as possible before he signed that paper with Herr Hitler.
    Had Britain gone to war immediately, aircraft production would have been too low to win the Battle of Britain.
    “Diplomacy is the art of saying ‘Nice doggie’ until you can find a rock.”
    ~Will Rogers
    Obama has a big rock and is in the process of tossing it away.

  43. In the link that I posted, I would invite all readers to critique the critical views of the author – displaying the ignorance of the undereducated re: post WWI conditions in Europe and the (intentional?) lack of knowledge of and about the real non aggression pact between Hitler and Stalin. The writer never mentions the democratic governments of Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, ….and fails to mention that King Karol of Romania had been handed a ‘coup’ by his Fascist ‘friends’ (left or right; a Fascist is a Communist); Romania had an elected parliament and the ‘Fascist’ was an elected MP. Romania was left in crisis at the end WWI – starved by blockades in the East and West by the Bolsheviks and Germans respectively. France pulled out in spite of assurances to stay if Romania agreed to help the allies by continuing to fight Germany after Russia pulled out of the war. Canada, indirectly saved Romania from mass starvation and total takeover by the Bolsheviks, thanks to a courageous NCO named Klondike Joe Boyle.
    There are too many faults with the writers critique to outline but GW Bush has his facts correct, to the best of my knowledge.

  44. I swear that Obama uses the book 1984 as a guide, rather than a warning. Give the Russians back their “sphere of influence”. Next he will be reconstituting the Ottoman Empire and stretch it though Micronesia. Asia? China’s, except Japan. Then there will be world peace for sure.

  46. Oz: love the dog/rock quote.
    Disagree with the chamberlain point. chamberlain was rearming against his will. churchill and others pressuring his party were the driving force. And chamberlain did not give in to hitler’s demands as a delaying tactic, he genuinely believed it would avoid war altogether.
    also Britain was stronger than germany especially if france and others were properly mobilized in the thirties as churchill amply documented in his first book on the history of WW2. the longer hitler was able to build his strength unimpeded the better his chances of winning. Chamberlain gave him the time to do so, almost.

  47. Jema54, the non-aggression pact between Hitler and Stalin was nothing but a ruse Hitler was playing. Russia had plenty of raw resources, something Germany desperately needed. Germany had plenty of manufacturing capacity, something Russia desperately needed. So he signed the treaty playing all nice with Stalin, and negotiated a trade deal whereby Russia would supply resources, and Germany in turn would supply manufactured goods. The problem was, Germany couldn’t meet the obligations due to the war Hitler was waging, and he knew it. That’s one of the reasons he insisted on attacking Russia in 1941, even though all his generals said wait. They were quite behind in their deliveries, and he had to act before his subterfuge fell apart.

  49. Lets here from someone who lives in Poland. This is on Atlas Shrugged:
    Apparently, even the Poles know what’s happening here…………I just received this missive (unsolicited) from Michael Wisniewski, director of the Europa 21 Foundation. The English is a bit awkward, but his message is crystal clear. I have not corrected it — it remains unedited.
    Did America betray us? Or it was just Obama
    View from Poland
    It was the worst what American government was able to do.
    This decision was announced on 17th September, when Poland was commemorating the 70th anniversary of soviet invasion. Day, when Soviet Union allied with nazis and stabbed our country in the back. This was effect of Nazi- Soviet Pact that was signed on 28th August in Moscow. After this day all dreams about resisting against Hitler perished – two evil empires combined their powers to destroy our freedom and sovereignty.
    Much more at:
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/a-letter-from-poland-did-america-betray-us-or-it-was-just-obama.html#comments

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