117 Replies to “Oh sure. Like I wasn’t gonna post this…”

  1. Read the whole thing on Steyn’s website.
    Disclosure: When my dad left us, I was eight years old.
    My mom kept us alive by working night and day in a big garden, then taking on odd babysitting jobs.
    We grew up on welfare and would be considered truly poor.
    One pre-Christmas period, some charitable group arrived at our door and left a package of food.
    I’ll always remember that tin of canned ham that sat in a cupboard until after the day I left home more than a decade later.
    People may be economically poor, but that does not mean they have to give up their dignity.
    You’re right. In Canada, today there were a precious few poor. We had an outhouse, to be sure.
    Maybe it’s unfair and maybe it’s because I grew up to be economically well-off despite my background but … I really have little sympathy for those who find themselves believing freedom means they are free to indulge in self-destructive behaviour.
    Of course, self-destructive behaviours are totally allowed by the secular progressives we have on our benches and in our legislatures.

  2. If Jesus said “blessed are the cruel and mean”, Shaidle and her pal will go straight to heaven.

  3. kathy
    that is a brilliant piece
    I’d pay to watch the faces of the lefties as they read it

  5. Excellent! Encore! Encore! I hope you don’t mind if I send this link to a half dozen or so of my misguided lefty friends…. you know, the ones already sporting “Kerry/Edwards” and “Hillary ’08” stickers on their car bumpers. And yes, I will be present to see those expressions .

  6. kathy- excellent post. Thanks for telling the truth.
    Poverty has, under socialism, transformed into a big and lucrative parasite industry. It is lucrative for the bureaucrats, the social workers, the activists, who all receive their comfortable middle class income from the financial resources from the government (taxpayer) and private funds (same person as the taxpayer).
    These funds are supposed to be for the welfare of ‘the impoverished’, but the actual amount left over – after those comfortable salaries, the benefits, the offices and equipment, the expenses etc – is only a small, small percentage.
    Like unions, the poverty industry is, as I said, a parasitic leech on the population, feeding on emotions rather than reason, manipulating emotions of Guilt and Sin into the population – to make their govt/them, hand over money, money, money – which these leeches use primarily for themselves.
    As for poverty – that’s an extremely difficult definition. I’ve known people on welfare because they refuse to work unless it’s ‘their perfect job’ and, who give their child $5.00 for ‘school lunch’ at Macdonalds. That’s $25.00 a week – rather than using that money for three week’s worth of packing those lunches themselves (bread, apples, cheese, carrots, drink).
    People whose furniture consists of second hand, and orange crates etc – and don’t consider themselves requiring welfare.
    So- I’m very sceptical about the Poverty Industry. It gets larger and larger, and the middle class leeches living off it, get larger and larger. After a while, one has to call the whole thing – a scam.

  7. “In ten years the Christian Left will hold another conference. They’ll call it ‘Where Did We Go Wrong?'”
    That’s a sweet thought, Kathy, but doesn’t being lib-left mean never having to say you’re sorry?
    I just kept nodding my head. Yes! Yes! Yes! Tough love is what’s needed, letting people know that there’s a line in the sand that you can’t cross. We, basically, have no line anymore and “lifestyle choices,” no matter how stupid or destructive, are what our so-called leaders and therapeutic community stress are necessary.
    What’s necessary is responsibility and accountability and not expecting others to work hard for your entitlements.
    I’ll vote for any politician who doesn’t bow to the poverty agenda which, as Kathy says, is a crock. It’s a whole industry living off those of us who work hard and aren’t looking for handouts.

  8. A certain wag asked a very important question it went along the lines of “Why do I have to take a pee test before I can go to work but the person on welfare doesn’t have to take the same test”?

  9. I think it was Ayn Rand who pointed out that if one judges one’s self-worth by the amount of public altruism one engages in – saving the poor with someone else’s money – then it is integral to that person’s existence that there always be poor people. Consequently, those in poverty who pull themselves out with sheer hard work and maybe a hand up, are nowhere near as valuable as those at sixteen who pop out another generation of future poor kids to keep the cycle going.
    Poor is relative. For many of the years that we raised our children, my wife and I were below one poverty line or another and never considered ourselves poor – and our kids did not either.

  10. I think it was Ayn Rand who pointed out that if one judges one’s self-worth by the amount of public altruism one engages in – saving the poor with someone else’s money – then it is integral to that person’s existence that there always be poor people.
    It may well have been Ayn Rand who attempted to ‘point this out.’
    Such a combination of false assumptions and non sequiturs is just about what one would expect from Ayn Rand.

  14. It seems to me that many people think that all or most of the poor people in Canada are just lazy people that won’t work.
    This isn’t true. There are many people that are very poor, that fall through the cracks of societies safety net. Many people with real mental health issues or other disabilities live on the streets. This group of people don’t have the ability to support themselves and need government assistance. But these problems aren’t glamorous.
    As for leftist Christians, many believe that working with government to help out the less fortunate is a bigger help then doing nothing. Seeing that Lorne Calvert was a United Church minister and is now working in government.
    It is articles like these that show the real disconnect between Liberal and Conservative Christians in solving real social issues like mental health and the problems associated with it. It seems the group of Conservative Christians would rather blame an shame these people. Instead of trying to get them to a point where they can contribute to society.

  15. Stephen, you don’t understand Ayn Rand. She is for smart people, don’t try to read her books. I think Nsiomi Klein has something out right now that would be for the liks of you.
    Kathy … Congrats. Having Mark Stein read and compliment is you like having Tiger Woods ask you for a golf lesson. Keep up the great work.

  16. There’s a bunch of people in this world who are lazy and think the world owes them something just for being born. And then there are a bunch of people who are good at heart and want to do good, but circumstances have made it harder than they can manage. It’s a shame when people give up trying to differentiate between the two. Frankly, I’ve got friends who, from time to time, have needed a hand to either stay steady in their position, or needed a temporary hand, and I’ve never hesistated. I’m sure you’d all be the same. But if we hadn’t been there, maybe they’d have needed a net, a social net, and I would want those people without good friends there to catch them, to know that falling from time to time is ok.
    I also accept that in order to do that, be the kinda society that catches those that fall, that it’s going to also mean we catch people who just don’t care to stand.
    For my part, I’m ok with paying $100 a year taxes to help these people out. But maybe that’s because I assume that at least $30 of that is going to people who need it. And for me, to save me the time and trouble of deciding who needs that $30 dollars, wasting $70 is ok. Plus, hell, if some asshole wants nothing in this life but a cup of soup and a bed to sleep in at night, I’m ok with that too.
    Frankly, it’s makes me proud to think that as a Canadian, every Canadian sleeps and eats better than the average dog. Even if it costs me a little more.
    Now the sentate… god damn… don’t get me started on those worthless shits. I wish they’d start eating in the soup kitchens.

  17. The guilty party, so far as keeping poor people in the state they are in, is the poverty industry and the demagogues (socialists), these are the groups that in actual fact make comfortable living by keeping the poor, poor.
    If one of them tells some poor soul, here is some bread today, tomorrow, get yourself a job and stop bothering me. If the poor soul decides to do exactly that, the do gooder would be out of pretension of superiority and possibly out of a well paying job. Now we can’t have that.
    For the person with lack of comprehension, the above example is an analogy, I know there are enough poor, the trouble is, they are kept in their misery by those that pretend to care about their well being.
    About every one knows somebody that is ripping off the system (and the people that pay for it) with the support of the poverty industry.
    This is unfortunate in a country that in many areas can’t get enough workers in just about every category, even in those well paying positions.
    I suppose it is easier for the present and advantageous for the future to drug the kids in schools, make them feel that they are hard done by, instead teaching them that there is no free lunch.
    As for those here that throw bombs full of nothingness, like the comment at October 8, 2007 9:08 PM, perhaps it would be better to use your energy helping the poor right now, instead of talking into the wind, otherwise you lost your case.

  18. Arthur is comfortable with giving money away. Good for you, you want to give money away, go ahead knock yourself out, don’t bloody talk about taxes.

  19. For my part, I’m ok with paying $100 a year taxes to help these people out. But maybe that’s because I assume that at least $30 of that is going to people who need it. And for me, to save me the time and trouble of deciding who needs that $30 dollars, wasting $70 is ok. Plus, hell, if some asshole wants nothing in this life but a cup of soup and a bed to sleep in at night, I’m ok with that too.
    Arthur, your heart is in the right place but this is a horrible attitude. Your percentage is about the same as here in the US; 70 cents on the dollar is wasted. You cannot accept such jaw dropping inefficiency which is nothing short of criminal. Our political jackals must be held accountable and they must spend our money wisely and efficiently and not waste it on legions of administrators and other nonsense. Complacency will breed further corruption and rot.
    NY has a massive welfare state and the financial drain was so extensive that the city was going to have the welfare recipients work for 8 hours a month, not week or a day but a month. The welfare ingrates became apoplectic and the race pimps came running out of their mansions to decry the evil mean city for demanding a little labor for the blank check.
    Our societies are decaying before our eyes.

  20. Most of today’s secular progressives do not appreciate that the charity work they claim as their own invention was being done in Christian churches for millenia.
    You know, visiting leper colonies and such, the people who were shunned by the rest of society.
    Compassion is the duty of a human being with traditional values, not a function of a bloodsucking state.

  21. “Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?”
    The clerk, in letting Scrooge’s nephew out, had let two other people in. They were portly gentlemen, pleasant to behold, and now stood, with their hats off, in Scrooge’s office. They had books and papers in their hands, and bowed to him.
    ‘Scrooge and Marley’s, I believe,’ said one of the gentlemen, referring to his list. ‘Have I the pleasure of addressing Mr Scrooge, or Mr Marley?’
    ‘Mr Marley has been dead these seven years,’ Scrooge replied. ‘He died seven years ago, this very night.’
    ‘We have no doubt his liberality is well represented by his surviving partner,’ said the gentleman, presenting his credentials.
    ‘It certainly was, for they had been two kindred spirits. At the ominous word liberality, Scrooge frowned, and shook his head, and handed the credentials back.
    ‘They are. Still,’ returned the gentleman,’ I wish I could say they were not.’
    ‘The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?’ said Scrooge.
    ‘At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,’ said the gentleman, taking up a pen, ‘it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.’
    ‘Are there no prisons?”
    ‘Plenty of prisons,’ said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
    ‘And the Union workhouses.’ demanded Scrooge. ‘Are they still in operation?’
    ‘Both very busy, sir.’
    ‘Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,’ said Scrooge. ‘I’m very glad to hear it.’
    ‘Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,’ returned the gentleman, ‘a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?’
    ‘Nothing!’ Scrooge replied.
    ‘You wish to be anonymous?’
    ‘I wish to be left alone,’ said Scrooge. ‘Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.’
    ‘Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.’
    ‘If they would rather die,’ said Scrooge, ‘they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”
    —from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
    Somethings never change, right Kathy?

  22. lberia Are you presenting a work of fiction as fact? LOL
    I see many of today’s “less fortunate” hanging around the “mustard seed”. Most are white, most are young and most look very well fed indeed!
    The plea of the leftist “It isn’t his/her fault that she/he ran away from home/dropped out/used drugs/alcohol/got pregnant/fought with his/her family/ robbed/stole/murdered/committed arson/rape/vandalism. Society is to blame! He/she was born poor and so must remain poor!
    In this country, Canada, we all enjoy the same benefits. Abusive family? Mental health issues? You have but to say the word and a hundred social service workers will be beating a path to your door!
    Somewhere along the line people make their own choices! Indeed if we could only get rid of the parasites, that infect the system, there would be more than enough to provide for the truly unfortunate, for the truly needy!

  23. Scrooge was a fictional character, but there seems to be no shortage of real people (or at least SDA commentators) who share his philosophy. Anyway, I’m still looking in the bible trying to find where Jesus said “I’m alright, so screw you.” Perhaps some self proclaimed Christians can help me out here.

  24. You own a copy of the bible? A commenter who takes the name of one of the most foul murderers in history?
    Most of the people who post their comments here have no problem with giving to the truly needy, but where is it written that we should be slaves to the slothful?

  27. Let’s not forget another fact about food bank usage. CHEAP people love them! I remember working at a local food bank over the Christmas holidays and we were handing out the turkeys (for families) and chickens (for single folks). I was well and truely fed up by the end of the day. I counted no less than 24 cars of THAT model year pull up for their free turkey or chicken.
    This is more of the same hype we saw a few years ago with my some of my fellow members of the CF “having” to go to food banks. One of the couples that “had” to make use of the bank were two reg force Leading Seamen, pulling down around $75k between them, no kids and living in military married quarters.
    Enough to make you hurl sometimes.

  28. Being a product of the “system” myself(I lived in projects in Oshawa and Ottawa as a child)I have seen every welfare scam known to man. From collecting in multiple jurisdictions, to running under the table business’s, Canada’s “poor” are nothing of the sort. The taxi drivers in this town call the end of the month “millionaires day”, because the welfare recipients act like they just won the lottery with their bingo/liquor store/pub/drug runs. Iberia, answer me one question. How can you consider someone who lives in a free home, has cable tv, cell phone, x-box, expensive clothes, good drugs, ATV and an automobile poor? These f@#$ers get free prescription, dental, bus passes, clothing chits, free food, and a sloven lifestyle. Does not sound very poor to me. The city of Kingston spends near 70 million a year just on medical benefits to our local “poor”. Which translates into near $1000.00 that my wife and I could use to buy our own benefits, which we do not have at the present time. When the pendulum does swing the other way, Canada’s “Poor” will be f@#$ed. because we have not forced them to learn how to take care of themselves. Should be interesting times indeed.

  29. Welfare was intended as a helping hand in times of need, the mentally ill and infirm not withstanding. NOT to be a way of life. My wife assisted social services when we were first married and was helping a 3rd generation welfare family. No they weren’t stupid but absolutely knew how to play the system for all its worth.
    If those of you think that Kathy and her type are being somehow bigoted and cruel, ask a panhandler to do a couple of hours of yardwork or maintenance around the house. The typical response I get is “I don’t want a job, I want money!”
    The welfare industry is much like sequestered celebrities putting on a free show for a couple of hours and basking in the glory of having done something while accomplishing nothing. Much like cleaning ones finger nails with a pencil.

  30. Arthur A. may, in fact, be a very nice person. But, IMO, he has a problem. About having $30 of his $100 worth (sic) of taxes spent on the less fortunate, he writes, “And for me, to save me the time and trouble of deciding who needs that $30 dollars, wasting $70 is ok.” How responsible is this? Maybe he has money to waste: a lot of hardworking Canadians with responsibilities do not. And $100? Get real, Arthur, it’s way more than that.
    Present day Canadian “values” trains our kids from an early age that they can always blame someone or something else for their problems and that there will be no to very little accountability for infractions: yes, our schools, in particular, and many parents have “Behaviour Codes”, but, certainly in the schools, they’re rarely enforced. The Charter, with the “rights” mentality it spawned, has both emboldened our kids, while emasculating those in authority re dealing with entitled, irresponsible miscreants with attitude. The number of such drags on society—for that’s surely what they are—has grown exponentially. Also, gratitude for what others do for them? Not on your life: they truly believe the rest of us OWE them. It’s sickening.
    People like Arthur A., who appear to be somewhat ill informed, if not soft headed and even lazy, think they’re helping. They’re not. In fact, such Betty Crockers—as I call them—are “double victimizing” the recipients of their paltry aid by having such low standards. As a teacher, setting the bar higher and higher as I help difficult kids—often tough love is needed—is the way that I respect the dignity and worth of these kids. (It’s when they work hard to gain skills and become competent learners that they attain a feeling of accomplishment and self-esteem. Trying to simply hand out what needs to be hard earned does not work. Neither does such a give-away respect the true worth of our kids.) Giving up on them—“What would one expect of _____?”—and letting them off the hook is not charitable: in fact, it really shows contempt.
    But the educational system and society at large are full of self-satisfied Betty Crockers, who think their benign neglect of indulgence and a few dollars is just dandy. Pathetic. And society’s paying a very hefty price for the very defective (non) “citizens” we’re churning out. And BTW, Arthur, most of these people are very angry: the more they’re coddled, the more they know they’re not respected, and the more they think they deserve: a very dangerous brew here. We’re already reaping the whirlwind.
    set you free and anon have mentioned Christianity. Good. The Christian churches have been helping the needy for millennia—long before the welfare state—and usually much more effectively and with more compassion that the state could ever provide. Christians give money to their churches and other charities way above and beyond their taxes. (Fraser Institute’s Generosity Index) Huge, faceless, public bureaucracies fling around and waste other people’s money with abandon, while their services are pretty inefficient. Churches provide many neighbourhood services and treat the funds provided by their congregations—to which they are accountable—much more responsibly.
    Kathy’s take on this is much closer to my own. She’s absolutely right: a soft heart with a soft head’s a lethal combination if one really wants to help. What’s needed is a soft heart with a hard head: for both those who give and those who receive, that combination’s much more likely to get worthwhile things accomplished.

  31. The dogmatic left need “victims”..without victims either real or imagined they have no morality to parade in public…also there is no “class struggle” for “social justice” to create social upheaval for….the left have been living on the marketing of victimhood since Marx penned his first class struggle romance novellas.
    Without “victims” to fight for lefty becomes just another average schlub on the street indistinct from all the other schlubs… this he can’t have as he is no longer the morally superior white knight crusader in his mind’s eye.
    As Kathy has pointed out ( although she becomes a tad too obtuse with the social Darwinist pap) the “victim” in American society today would be a “king” in any other nation…lush welfare spreads have actually created 2nd and 3rd generation welfare families…..now are these people actually “poor”? Well by middle class standards perhaps they don’t own real estate but they certainly have all the comforts they need….except gainful employment.
    In many cases these people are living as well or better on the state’s long term welfare dime than they would be if they relied on their limited skills to make a living…so the argument they can do better is largely moot.
    I also see these people as being satisfied with their life style as they continue to live in welfare rather than use any of the multitude of educational upgrading that is available from the state.
    so again are these people poor? Well obviously not in their frame of reference…you want to help poor people??,… help those who have physical disabilities that hold them back from full employment…or those too old or disabled to work…these are the true poor…and the WORTHY poor are damn few and far between.
    As for the Leftard blowback on KS and MS…I wonder how many of the foul mouthed complainers ever spent a dime to help the poor…maybe volunteer for work at the Sally anne or at a inner city soup kitchen run by their church??…Naw I thought not.

  32. One of the solutions for me would be to avoid giving ‘money’ to the poor as much as possible but instead provide the shelter, the food, the medecine and the clothing directly.
    Watch a lot of them looking for a job to get ‘money’.
    Don’t believe me?…Next time you see a panhandler beg for money because of hunger, give an apple or a granola bar or something…Just watch your back though, some foods hurt when thrown at you!

  33. Once a friend told me about some neighbours of his who “had to return all their empty bottles” to pay for their grocery bills. He thought this a terrible thing. I thought good for them- they were doing what needed to be done to feed their family and maybe it was time they thought about all the money they were spending on those bottles when they were full and perhaps spending it on groceries instead. They’d probably have something left over.

  34. Iberia:YOU are Scrooge.YOU want others to look after the poor.YOU would have them in the 21st century union houses.Dont accuse others of being insesitive when YOU rely on others to look after the poor and do not do it yourself.

  35. This might seem like an odd question, but has anyone noticed that food banks tend to be in remote areas you have to DRIVE to? This was the issue I had in Edmonton in 2000, when I couldn’t afford bus fare, let alone own a car. I hear it’s the same in Toronto, though thankfully I haven’t had to find out first hand this time around.
    In Edmonton, when I was down on my luck and living on cups of rice like the world’s palest Ethiopian, it was decent Christian friends who gave me a helping hand. They weren’t much better off than I – and didn’t have a car to drive me to the elitist foodbank – but what they had they shared. Kathy Shaidle is the same. People like that give you a hand without taking your dignity in the process. Can the same be said for the poverty pimps?
    RG – there but for the grace of God and a few good friends

  36. Anyway, I’m still looking in the bible trying to find where Jesus said “I’m alright, so screw you.” Perhaps some self proclaimed Christians can help me out here.
    Be glad to. Paul wrote it, but it’s God’s Word.
    2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

  37. I followed some of the links on Kathy’s blog. I found this comment rather curious. (Edited to pass the censor)
      These people are disgusting a**holes. As it happens I am pretty damn poor — and one of those folks who need fairly constant medical care, etc etc. And trust me, yes, I exist. No thanks to them. What the HELL happened to this country that we have such horrible people living here? 🙁
    zhak | Homepage | 10.08.07 – 10:36 pm | #
      I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, however I did notice a few things. This person who is “pretty damn poor” owns a computer and has his/her own Homepage. Perhaps he/she is “pretty damn poor” compared to those who live in Rosedale.
      He/she “needs fairly constant medical care”, luckily medical care is absolutely free in this country thanks to Tommy Douglas and the NDP, or so I am told anyway.  
    Finally “And trust me, yes I exist. No thanks to them” OK if he/she says he/she exists who am I to argue. “No thanks to them” sorry I just don’t get that one.   There are many more equally brilliant comments on the links at Kathy’s site. Just remember most of them are at leftist sites so if you don’t like colourful language stay away.    

  38. ol hoss:
    There’s a reason it’s called Christian charity.
    We do it out of kindness, out of our duty of compassion.
    The Iberias of the world seem inspired by fictions of all sorts and obscure the realities of life with their utopian fantasies.
    Hollywood, of course, is in the fantasy business.
    If you live in a city of any size, pick up any so-called alternative media newspaper.
    It’s heavy on trying to convince its readers that the fictions of film are real and it’s the big, bad real-life people who are standing in the way.
    Drug ingestion helps fuel these fantasies and are another form of escapism … the combination has become the true opiate of the masses which pave the way for acceptance of totalitarian philosophies.

  39. I keep reading where people state that many people living on the streets have mental health problems.
    If I lived on the streets I would probably have mental health problems too.
    I suggest those people on the streets decided to do something about it. Like get washed up, get a job and get a place to live. There are already more than enough agencies around to accommodate them.
    Yes it can be that simple … they have to decide because no one can decide for them as is all things in live …. we are the authors of our own successes or our own horrors.
    Enough of the bleeding hearts. Most of us have guilt fatigue and don’t care anymore. We all have bigger fish to fry in today’s world. Namely our own survival with our failed health care system, bad retirement opportunities now that life-jobs are vanishing, portable pension plans are if ignored, over taxation, the very real Islamic Jihad and the upcoming financial burdens of the not very real problems of climate change etc.
    Then there is the keeping our kids of drugs and in collectivist training camps called the educational system, the ever increasing cost of housing and energy … Concerns over aging parents ….
    Yeah, with all that and much more, those who decided to drink, take drugs and live on the streets are not high on my list of priorities.

  40. Your actual knowledge on street life is pretty low.
    Many people living on the streets have real problems like psychosis and schizophrenia.
    Sure there are some people that abuse the system, but how do you solve the problem of helping the people with real problems.
    Your solution cuts them of from help too.
    It is also cheaper to help these people live at home with dignity then to put them in a home.

  41. Sure there are some people that abuse the system, but how do you solve the problem of helping the people with real problems.
    That’s exactly it, isn’t it? Those with real disabilities are losing out because the welfare queens and drunks and whatnot are clogging up the system. I would think that anyone who had a real desire to help those who need it most would be the FIRST ones screaming about the abuses, not the last. Unless, of course, your desire to help them is for your own gain…
    RG

  42. I keep reading where people state that many people living on the streets have mental health problems.
    I notice they’re not so crazy they can’t figure out where the free eats are.
    What gets me is the food is prepared and served to them. Surely they could help prepare their own meal.

  43. I’m sure you could find something in your bible that says practice what you preach, ol’ hoss. When you gonna start working for YOUR (farm subsidies) welfare???

  44. I see the left has never learned the difference between a hand up and a hand out…and they know and understand even less of Judeo-Christian teachings and values.
    A latter day jewish contemproary of Christ who was expanding on his rabinical teachings stated:
    ” Give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day…but teach a man to fish and will feed himself for a lifetime.”
    THIS is the definitive idiom of Christian thought on charity. We must help the unfortunate not the cunning free loader…we must focus on gifting them the means to make themselves self sustaining and self reliant…to regain their self respect,… not providing free handouts indefinitely which will undermine this person’s will to be self sufficient, his dignity, self worth and ultimately destroy his humanity as he becomes a reliant slave to largess.
    There are other biblical references to how charity is to be given and recieved…as always secular leftist confuse unrestrained largesse with reasoned ethical compassion for an individual.
    It is the lefts nonundertanding of compassionate giving on oneself that created a welfare state where the nanny state forces charity on the unworthy and further corrupts them with unrestrained profligate entitlement reliance. A Christian response is to help the poor help themselves..regain dignity and feel like a useful part of society.

  45. As far as the mentally ill on the street are concerned(in Ontario), one only has to thank the glorious NDP and Bob Rae. When they legislated the “rights” of the mentally disabled, it opened the floodgates of hell. The majority of these homeless are schizophrenic, and the police cannot secure them without the homeless person’s permission. Once again, the idiot moonbats of this province have screwed the sick and helpless.

  46. I’m sure you could find something in your bible that says practice what you preach, ol’ hoss. When you gonna start working for YOUR (farm subsidies) welfare???
    I’ll take you up on that when I begin to pay out less than I get back. An example would be paying for your education.

  47. kingston:
    Once your education system is sealed as a state monopoly, union-delivered model, your problems will continue to multiply.
    Ontario is on the verge of confirming to the rest of Canada it is now the People’s Republic of Ontario.
    But, as the old adage goes, Ontarians will get the government they deserve.
    We welcome all who’d like to escape that socialist hellhole to Alberta, where parents are given the option of several education visions and the funding follows the student.

  48. An example of misplaced kindness/charity. The West floods Africa with discarded western clothing that Africans can buy very cheaply. The result: Zambia had a viable garment industry. Wiped out by western aid.
    Now, Africans expect the West to provide them with clothing.

  49. One more kid to finish high school(less than 2 years) and we are selling everything and moving out west. These f#$%ing thieves will get no more of my money. Dalton, Howard and the trawna latte sippers can all go to hell!

  50. And I will be taking a highly skilled surgical nurse with me. Screw Ontario and their sick and dying hippies. And we are not the only ones deserting this shit hole.

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