117 Replies to “Oh sure. Like I wasn’t gonna post this…”

  1. Opportunities for legitimate earning and a dignified, respectable life abound in this country.
    Still, from time to time people stumble and fall and need assistance (myself included)
    The best statement still applies; Charity begins at home.
    Treat your family well. Put in the time to raise your children as best as you can. Give money to your Church. If your not comfortable with that give to your favourite charity, or, help someone you know who is struggling. Offer them a job or a ride to work. Put your after tax money where your mouth is.
    We need to teach people to Win.

  3. As many of you veteran readers and commenters will have guessed: lefty readers are now playing the closet gay card. It never takes them long. Their vitriol has a familiar pattern: fact-free outrage, “think of the children”, cheap psychologizing, pulling out the long debunked junk science statistics, then
    a) if you are a conservative female, you’re “ugly and need to get laid/raped”
    b) if you are conservative male, you are gay.
    The left say they love gay people but then when they don’t like someone — he’s “gay”.
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmI3ZGRiNTcyZWM5YzVjODM2YTVjYzJhZTk4OTMwN2E=
    Mark Steyn (who gets that “insult”, what, 20 times a day?) replies:
    “Well, everyone knows we’re all closeted gays on the right but I’m a principled closeted gay. I only solicit casual sex in private-sector men’s rooms.”
    As for me, I cop to being homely and non-stop horny. So: what’s their point again…?

  4. It’s easier for a camel to jump through the eye of a needle than for a poor man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, right, Kathy?
    Jesus should have done a means test and a little background checking before handing out loaves and fishes to just any deadbeat, and should have told the lepers to buy some health insurance and enrol in an HMO.
    Really, Kathy, what would Jesus say?

  5. Christian Left: misguided benevolent dreamers. Christian Right: misguided tight wads. a huge generalization and just my opinion but looking at these posts,appears to have some merit!

  6. “Anyway, I’m still looking in the bible trying to find where Jesus said “I’m alright, so screw you.” Perhaps some self proclaimed Christians can help me out here.”
    Be glad to. Paul wrote it, but it’s God’s Word.
    2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
    Posted by: ol hoss at October 9, 2007 10:25 AM
    Nice try ol hoss…at quoting the bible out of context. This was part of an admonition to the Christians, not a directive to not help others.
    Paul had received word that some members of the church were continuing in their sin of being idle busybodies who refused to work to support themselves. It appears that the Greek men shunned manual labor, left the work to their wives and servants, and occupied themselves in gathering for idle gossip. They leeched off of others rather than work to support themselves. Those members needed to be admonished to repent of their sin.
    Apathy, disdain or hate are not options if you are truly a follower of Christ.

  8. Jesus would say “What’s an HMO?” because there was no such thing. Which is why the concenpt of Christian charity came to be in the first place. And when Jesus began to heal the lepers and bring solace to whores etc, there weren’t a lot of people who were milking the system, because there was no system. But now we have one in place where the slightest bump in an otherwise spoiled western road has people running for handouts. And we have “activists” like you who scream at the unfairness of it all if we call that stealing. Even though stealing is exactly what it is.
    RG

  9. “Apathy, disdain or hate are not options if you are truly a follower of Christ.”
    I take it you are not a Christian, Iberia. That’s fairly obvious.

  10. Actually, those loaves and fishes were purchased by jesus’ followers, so they were his/their property and he could dispose of them as He wished and the vendors presumably received a fair price for their wares.
    He didn’t _steal_ the bread and loaves from one group and distribute them to another.
    Yes, there should be means tests and then some when the money involved is MY money and is being stolen from me and given out to people who may not deserve it AS MUCH AS I DO, BECAUSE I’M THE ONE WHO EARNED IT.
    Try harder.

  11. People can and do fall on hard times. People who are trying to improve their situation should get charity, encouragement and support – the proverbial hand-up.
    Those who make no attempt to fix things want a hand-out and should should get nothing. If they don’t care about improving their lives, why should we?

  12. “I’ll take you up on that when I begin to pay out less than I get back. An example would be paying for your education….
    Yeah, hoss, I’m sure every welfare queen, drunk and cunning freeloader can also rationalize feeding at the public trough.

  13. >Nice try ol hoss…at quoting the bible out of >context. This was part of an admonition to the >Christians, not a directive to not help others.
    >Paul had received word that some members of the >church were continuing in their sin of being >idle busybodies who refused to work to support >themselves. It appears that the Greek men >shunned manual labor, left the work to their >wives and servants, and occupied themselves in >gathering for idle gossip. They leeched off of >others rather than work to support themselves. >Those members needed to be admonished to repent of their sin.
    >Apathy, disdain or hate are not options if you >are truly a follower of Christ.
    Sorry Iberia, if you substitute the word “Greek” for any number of modern counterparts, your argument falls apart.
    Since the majority of “poor” North Americans today are at least nominal, self-identified Christians (no more or less observant than those Greek converts) their current refusal to work puts them within the reach of Paul’s admonition.
    Your larger arguments fail because you are presuming, very wrongly, that Jesus established a political and economic system. From his Render Unto Ceasar to My Kingdom is Not of This World, his teachings apply to micro individual people and their interactions & behaviour, not to macro society as a whole.
    The temptation to apply these micro teachings to macro problems is like the alcoholic who says “one drink is fun, so 20 drinks will be 20 times as fun”, with tragic yet predictable results.
    Any cure in large enough doses becomes a poison. It is a paradox we are not meant to understand this side of heaven that Jesus’ teachings are not workable beyond small groups, any more than manna was supposed to stay fresh for more than 24 hours.

  16. Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the
    things that are God’s. [Matthew 22:21]

  17. If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
    [Matthew 19:21]

  18. Kathy:
    What are you going on about? I am not presuming that Christ established a political and economic system. Where did I write that?
    You are using sophistry to dismiss the expectation that people who proclaim themselves as Christians actually behave like Christians, ie Matt. 22:39.
    Cherry picking the parts of Christianity that you like is hypocritical.

  19. Food banks?
    A local service club has built an outside pavilion for local use. BTW, it’s built on Federal government property.
    The club invited the public to help pay for it by buying a brick for the flooring which is not a concrete slab. The floor is interlocking paving stones. The donor could select the inscription to be carved. Well done.
    Among the names carved onto the bricks is one: —– Food Bank. The donations called for each brick to cost $150.00.
    This Food Bank also expanded this summer increasing its floor area. Its motto on its sign: Free food For All.
    Food Banks = scam. Ask Gerard Kennedy, ex-food bank manager, Citoyen Dion’s booster.

  20. Wow. Jesus only works on small groups. For big ones, you need Ayn Rand.
    That is an incredible new take on the Lord’s work. Did you come by this yourself, Joan of Arc-style?
    Did the voices tell you that?

  21. Lloyd, I look forward to receiving via email a scan of the receipts you received from the Salvation Army when you donated all your worldly goods to them. Also the paperwork indicating that you have sold your home, cashed in all your RRSPs, and closed your bank account and have indeed donated all this money to the poor.
    It is now 4PM EST. We’ll all be waiting here. I’ll post the files when they come in.
    Iberia, you may want to talk to Lloyd about “cherry picking” since Lloyd doesn’t accept that St Paul speaks for Jesus. Have fun you two. There is nothing new about believing that Jesus didn’t establish a political system since He, well, obviously didn’t. Jesus did tell me that, but not with voices. Read the bible.

  22. Kathy there are many Roman Catholics that would argue that Jesus most certainly did start a political system.
    His system would start with him then the 12 apostles then the rest of the congregation. After Jesus went to heaven Paul took over as the head of the church.
    It could also be argued that the main part of missionary work in the early church was to spread the word of God and increase the size of the early Christian church. This church did become the most powerful political system in the western world. This would also be true under the Anglicans as well as Catholics.
    However many protestants would argue against this saying that their personal relationship with God is of paramount importance. This would ignore the whole work of Paul.
    I personally like believing that I am part of a 2 billion strong community of Christians, that vote in politicians that vote based on their beliefs.

  23. actually the early church usurped the Roman empires politican system. whether Jesus started it ? I doubt it. more like Paul.
    certainly Paul’s (a roman)version of christianity with all its administration is one of the earliest results. they have administration before they hit the road from Jerusalem.

  24. Food banks were set up by unions to try and embarrass Mulroney. It turned out to be the start of the lucrative poverty industry. This industry supports social workers, unions, lawyers and professional activists. Billions spent with little results. As an example, there are 35 social agencies that support to homeless in Ottawa while most of the work is done by the Salvation Army and the Shepherds of Good Hope. These agencies, supported by another member of the poverty industry (United Way), help these homeless people by printing out pamphlets and distributing condoms from there lush offices as they decided to do so at their national association’s annual conferences.
    It’s been estimated that if you were to take all the money earmarked for the homeless you could build an apartment buildings in each city and give each of the homeless people an apartment to live in for free. With the money saved by having a guaranteed annual income of say $18,000 a year everyone would have a minimal and comfortable life. Those that would suffer would of course be the usual parasites: lawyers, unions, professional activists and their supporting staffs.

  26. Having ignored completely almost all the comments above (because Kathy nailed it to the WALL) I have only this to say:
    All the trolls whinging about how mean Kathy is bray loudly and often about “rights”. I never hear anyone say anything about “responsibility”.
    Being a physical therapist you hear a lot of hard luck stories. The only people I know who are on permanent welfare are wheelchair confined quadriplegics and/or have major brain damage.
    All the ones with half a functional brain and even one good arm are out there doing whatever they can to make a buck. No matter how smashed up, damaged, bent, spindled or mutilated, they feel it is their responsibility to make themselves useful.
    The ones who don’t usually die fairly quick. There’s a lesson in there, somewhere.

  27. Boy Kathy you got your thumb on the sore spot! Well done and do write that book, your beautiful mind and feisty personality will beat the inane foto beauties any day! Mark as usual has you sized up about as well as he does everything else.
    Paul

  28. Kathy,
    just had a chance to read this post – outstanding. and the kudos from Mark Steyn – congrats!

  29. valster wrote, “Christian Left: misguided benevolent dreamers. Christian Right: misguided tight wads. a huge generalization and just my opinion but looking at these posts,appears to have some merit!”
    I wrote at 8:59, “set you free and anon have mentioned Christianity. Good. The Christian churches have been helping the needy for millennia—long before the welfare state—and usually much more effectively and with more compassion that the state could ever provide. Christians give money to their churches and other charities way above and beyond their taxes. (Fraser Institute’s Generosity Index) Huge, faceless, public bureaucracies fling around and waste other people’s money with abandon, while their services are pretty inefficient. Churches provide many neighbourhood services and treat the funds provided by their congregations—to which they are accountable—much more responsibly.”
    Phantom wrote, “All the trolls whinging about how mean Kathy is bray loudly and often about ‘rights’. I never hear anyone say anything about ‘responsibility’.” I did, big time @8:59. Check it out!

  30. lookout:
    I’m sure you’ll agree that under state-run compassion, most of the resources end up in the bureaucracy.
    One thing sticks out in my mind and the numbers are different due to inflation.
    There was an example of an welfare recipient who gets $800 a month.
    The cost of delivering this welfare was somewhere in the range of $2000 a month … fancy offices, heating bills, salaries that were much above the average wage-earners, etc. etc.
    Since my memory is fading fast, I would not be surprised if that $2000 figure to deliver $800 of welfare is even higher.
    Sounds like self-serve compassion to me.

  31. Brava! Your post is good. You are forgetting one big class of poor, though:
    the mentally ill who should be locked up for public safety as well as their own good.
    There are more than a thousand of them, and they are a menace to the well-ordered polis. Throwing money at them does no good. Throwing rotten fruit at them while shouting, “move along, troll” is considered bad form in polite society.
    They are, for the most part, blameless. It is the liberal lawyers and ACLU supporters who keep them on the street who are to blame.
    Anyway, this sort of thing is much better than griping about Christians not following your own example in PR. Keep it up. It will keep you away from the day when you are pestering me for change on the subway.

  32. Anyway, I’m still looking in the bible trying to find where Jesus said “I’m alright, so screw you.” Perhaps some self proclaimed Christians can help me out here.
    Jesus said the poor will always be among us.
    Apologies if this was already said.

  33. God helps those who help themselves does NOT condone self-serve compassion schemes.

  34. An example of misplaced kindness/charity. The West floods Africa with discarded western clothing that Africans can buy very cheaply. The result: Zambia had a viable garment industry. Wiped out by western aid.
    The Road To Hell™ is paved with Good Intentions™.

  35. I wonder what all self-congratulating, smug, anti-American Canadian “progressives” think about the man who was behind the research profiled in this David Frum piece:
    EVA’S GOT IT WRONG
    November 18, 2006, National Post
    You’ll never know who will turn up in Washington to talk politics. On Wednesday, the city was graced by actress Eva Longoria, the sultry star of ABC’s Desperate Housewives. Addressing an audience of Latino business leaders, she explained the wide appeal of her show: “Everyone on Wisteria Lane has the money of a Republican, but the sex life of a Democrat.”
    It’s a pretty good joke–but very poor sociology. Over the past 15 years, it is the Democrats, not the Republicans, who have emerged as the party of upper-income America. In 2000, Al Gore beat George Bush among the 4% of voters who described themselves to exit pollsters as “upper class.” In 2004, John Kerry won nine of the 10 richest zip codes in the United States.
    As for sex–well, it turns out that it’s Republican (and especially Republican women) who have it more often and better. The two strongest predictors of Republican affiliation in America are (1) marriage and (2) church attendance. These are also the strongest predictors of female sexual satisfaction. The authoritative 1995 University of Chicago survey Sex in America found that conservative Protestant married women were the group most likely to report that they “nearly always” orgasmed during sex. Married women of all religions were almost twice as likely as unmarried women to describe their sex lives as “extremely satisfying.”
    So if offered the choice, reader, you’d be wiser to choose Democratic money and Republican sex.
    And yet, somehow the joke would not be very funny that way would it? Stereotypes overwhelm even the strongest facts.
    Here’s another stereotype, even deeper and more enduring than Longoria’s: Liberals are more compassionate than conservatives. Certainly, this is a view deeply held by liberals themselves. Yet the truth is exactly the opposite.
    Next week, Basic Books will publish an astonishing new volume by Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks: Who Really Cares. Prof. Brooks reviews the vast academic literature on charitable giving and arrives at a startling conclusion: By virtually every measure, political conservatives are demonstrably more generous, more honest and more public-spirited than political liberals.
    Consider for example this one fundamental liberal/conservative dividing line, the question “Do you believe the government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality?” In a major 1996 survey, 33% of Americans gave the liberal answer, “yes”; 43% gave the conservative answer, “no.”
    Those who gave the conservative answer were more likely to give to charity than those who gave the liberal answer. And when they gave, they gave much more: an average of four times as much as liberal givers.
    Correct for income, age and other variables, and you find that people who want government to fight inequality are 10 points less likely to give anything at all–and when they did give, they gave US$263 per year less than a right-winger of exactly the same age earning exactly the same money.
    A second survey, this one conducted in 2002, found that people who believe that “people should take care of themselves” accounted for 25% of the population–but gave 31% of America’s blood.
    “To put this in perspective,” Brooks says, “if the whole population gave blood like opponents of social spending do, the blood supply would increase by more than a quarter. But if everyone in the population gave like government-aid advocates, the supply would drop by about 30%.”A third survey found that people who believe that the government “spends too much on welfare” were more likely to give directions to someone on the street, return extra change to a cashier, or to give food or money to a homeless person.
    A fourth found that a poor family that worked for its income donated three times as much money as a family that received an exactly equal income from welfare.
    It’s almost a psychological rule: The more you espouse “compassion” in your politics, the more likely you are to be selfish in your personal behaviour.
    How often do we hear the generosity of Europe contrasted to the “savage individualism” of the United States? Yet Americans give vastly more to charity: per person, more than twice as much as the Spanish, more than three times as much as the French, seven times as much as the Germans and 14 times as much as the Italians.
    Despite working an average of 400 hours more per year than their European counterparts, Americans are 15 percentage points more likely to volunteer their time than the Dutch, 21 points more likely to volunteer than the Swiss and 32 points more likely to volunteer than Germans. (Indeed, 80% of Germans never volunteer their time for any cause at all.)
    If we must have stereotypes, let’s at least have accurate ones. Not only are conservatives sexier than liberals–they are kinder too.

  36. the mentally ill who should be locked up for public safety as well as their own good.
    I agree and we used to do this in the US until………..
    ……..the liberal idiots [redundancy] started pressuring Reagan to release the mentally ill onto the streets, arguing they were being held against their will and “had a right” to roam the streets if they hadn’t committed a crime. I’m sure the ACLU was involved encouraging this societal degradation. So, here we are decades later and the liberal idiots [redundancy] are whining that the mentally ill are roaming the streets.
    I’ll share a story that brings a smile to my face. The communist bedwetters in Santa Monica passed all kinds of local laws allowing homeless to loiter, sleep in the doorways of businesses and urinate and defecate where they damn well please. The liberal idiots [redundancy] wanted to show what enlightened morons they are and now once beautiful Santa Monica is a homeless haven with bums sleeping directly under windows of apartments on the first floor. They’re sleeping in peoples car ports next to liberals Mercedes and BMW’s and the caviar communists are fleeing this filthy city to a clean, orderly Conservative enclave.
    Liberals destroy communities with their idiotic laws and then they flee leaving others to clean up the mess. If it wasn’t for these losers the West wouldn’t be rotting.

  37. Over the past 15 years, it is the Democrats, not the Republicans, who have emerged as the party of upper-income America.
    The 5 richest Senators are leftist donks. Only the stupid believe democrats are the party of “the little man.” Trends in the US show large numbers of former democrat union voters now voting Republican.

  39. Just tell me where your unit’s stationed, Kathy. You know, since you’re so pro-war, I take it you’re in the army. Or if you have a kid or sibling, or even a first cousin, I’ll send the paperwork through them.
    You invoke the name of our Saviour for what fits, then reject His word when it doesn’t fit your angry, mean politics.
    It wasn’t Jesus who said “Let them eat cake”.

  40. Well said, MRV! As I posted earlier, Canada’s Fraser Institute’s Generosity Index has documented the same fact: conservatives and Christians are personally far more generous than liberals.
    Psst . . . AMERICAN conservatives and Christians are vastly more generous than Canadians. This is not my opinion: it’s FACT.

  41. Just tell me where your unit’s stationed, Kathy. You know, since you’re so pro-war, I take it you’re in the army.
    Hey moron, it’s a volunteer army. So we have to join them to support them?
    Typical leftist intellectual retard.
    If you’ve never been a police officer or fire fighter don’t even think of requesting their services.

  42. You are dead on the money with this one Kathy.
    As one of those ex druggie welfare (clean 16 years now) I can say from personal experience that the welfare system was a contributing part of the delay in me getting clean and sober.
    In order for a person to get clean and sober you must hit a bottom, this can vary for the person in the level of bottom they have to reach. when you reach your personal bottom it is only then that you can becoming willing to take the steps that are necessary for recovery. Welfare for myself usually kept a roof over my head and gave me a day off that I did not have to pull scams to get loaded.
    When I did get clean, welfare gave me no help to get off welfare, it in fact encouraged me to stay on. With very little work experience to fall back on, I started a little business putting a old pick up and myself to work, and now own a second hand business, including the building, which is almost mortgage free.
    I never give cash to panhandlers, but will them to a restaurant and buy them a meal or give them a bag of groceries, both of these offers have been turned down by panhandlers professing to be hungry.
    Locally we had a number of homeless camped out at city hall, a contractor approached them and offered all of them a job,not one took him up on his offer.
    Tough love works, nothing for nothing just enables.

  43. Wow, Fister (does that mean what I think it means?) is so tangled up in his irrational hatred for Kathy that he’s pulling the (oh so terribly original) chickenhawk ploy.
    Dude, your mother’s calling you to the table. Leave the grownups now to discuss world issues.
    RG

  44. Lloyd Fisher, your posts are mean spirited, sophomor[on]ic and shallow.
    Please let us know what your obviously self-sacrificial activities are on behalf of the down and out–many of whom find the free handouts of self-choosing such a designation more profitable than giving themselves a challenge–so that the rest of us niggardly SDA types might be given the inspiration to do and give even more.

  45. Apollyon:
    Exactly the same thing happened in Ontario re the mentally ill. Our disastrous NDP government of some years ago decided it was against their human rights to force the mentally ill to take their medication or get treatment, with predictable results. Toronto has huge numbers of mentally ill people roaming the streets who would be productive members of society if they got treatment. Apparently this is a thing.

  46. Anyone care to comment on the White House’s enlightened(for a dark ages power) policy on stem cell research?…..

  47. Minuteman, the problem with the liberals is they base their views on feelings- and no facts to the contrary can shake that warm fuzzy feeling their leftist drivel gives them.
    I forgot a great part to the story about Santa Monica……….
    One of the nearby states got word of Santa Monica becoming the Homeless Mecca and they sent bus loads of their homeless to Santa Monica. Just brilliant; if I were a mayor I’d do the same thing.

  48. Kingstonlad 12:27 – save yourself the trip. Mr Stelmach is on the verge of slaughtering the Golden Goose at month’s end, before you even get here. This province will now endure another NEP, instituted by an Albertan government, without even going to the people for a vote. I’d hang onto that job in Ontario if I were you. I’ve already lost mine.

  50. The Republicans had a debate today and Giuliani, whom I’m personally not in favor of, had a good line………
    “If we implement HillaryCare, Canadians will have no place to come for their health care.”
    That’s pretty funny.

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