This is a potentially worrying development. With all the espionage China engages in in the West it is very disturbing indeed to think that they could control something as sensitive as widely used disk storage.
I certainly hope this deal doesn’t go through. It would be very difficult to detect all the ways such products could be compromised if used in highly sensitive applications.
Not to worry — no one uses Seagate hardware in anything approaching a “mission critical” application. Think of Seagate drives as very expensive coffee coasters.
Err, Kate, don’t know how to break this to you,… but Seagate is already manufactured in China. Secondly, anything encoded in the Hardware or firmware of the logic controllers would stick out like a sore freaking thunmb.
Let’s just comment on things we know about, m’kay?
Still nothing on the provocateurs sent into a legal protest by the SQ, anywhere on the conservative blogosphere, I note.
That’s not true, Sean. Seagate fibre channel drives and other components are used in enterprise storage arrays.
And while it’s true that the manufacturing of lots of components is outsourced to China, they are manufactured to certain specs and subjected to outside quality control.
If you want to hide espionage capabilities owning the entire process creates far more possibilities.
Seagate 500 gig hard drives 16 MB buffer, 5 yr. warranties and priced at $124.00… NS versions at about 50.00 more, server-grade drives…
a good 70% of people are buying these drives…
Then again the chinese own about half the computer industry…
I work for them lol
Jeager, you’re about 10 years too late to be worrying about the Chicoms owning the computer industry.
Now would be the time to start worrying about them owning the car industry. That they haven’t figured out yet. They suck at quality control, and if there’s one thing Detroit is king of, its that.
One of the few up-sides of being constantly sued. 🙂
“Seagate fibre channel drives and other components are used in enterprise storage arrays.”
Yes. Generally by the same crowd dumb enough to by Nortel routing equipment.
“And while it’s true that the manufacturing of lots of components is outsourced to China, they are manufactured to certain specs and subjected to outside quality control.”
I see the “outside quality control” in my repair shop all the time. I suppose I should probably be thankful that the Chinese can’t manufacture something that lasts more than a year — it puts money in my pocket.
I cannot believe that some actually think there is some sort of quality control for goods manufactured in China.
China has become the preferred country to manufacture disposable goods, aka junk. And we’re the fools for buying the stuff.
Things made in China are *meant* to break. That ensures that each year consumers constantly return to the stores to buy more.
And it is indeed true, the Chinese are notorious for stealing ideas, and that’s because they are hopeless at coming up with anything inventive themselves. Hence their only role in the global economy is to be the world’s manufacturing center for disposable goods.
Let’s just comment on things we know about, m’kay?”
so, all you harpooned harperists, wtf is with the undercover cops passed off as keeping order?
why the fuk do they have to go undercover to do that?
because they WEREN’T there to keep order, but to disrupt it and precipitate a huge riot.
well it didnt work.
they got caught with their ‘pants down’ and their ‘police boots on’.
keystone kops redux.
how does a cop wind up with a fat juicy ROCK in their hand whilst ‘maintaining order’???? what, gonna gather ’em all up sose the protesters got no ammunition???
what freakin poppycock and YOU neocon wannabes are being willfully blind to the reality of yet another big government iron fist.
which missed the targetthis time.
note the involvement by the rcmp.
if they REALLY were going undercover to ‘maintain order’ they would do so weeks and months ahead of time to infiltrate the protest group and fully familiarize themselves to that group.
but they didnt. why? because it wasnt they primary objective to ‘maintain order’ via ANY tactic, short OR long term. they did what they got CAUGHT doing in order to cause a huge outbreak of civil disorder. it didnt pan out. they were outed because of numerous visual cues.
and now its out there for all to see but not all to interpret accurately.
Amazing! Insanely stupid lefties blithering away, off topic, blaming conservatives for undercover police activity. Hey morons, every genuinely ‘socialist’ government that ever followed your idiotic left wing Marxist-Leninist-Maoist bullshit has been infested with undercover police spying on everyone. Leftist police have been pretty consistent with large scale torturing and murdering of citizens too.
I love it! The conspirazoid left has one more thing to worry about; is that guy with the stone next to me a fellow left-wing crack pot or a cop trying to stir things up?
Here’s another conspiracy for ya, left-nuts: the cops purposefully allowed themselves to be found out
anon, you forgot to put the word authoritarian in front of “left wing Marxist-Leninist-Maoist bullshit”… or did you never hear of an authoritarian right wing government spying on the mases?
— do read some history, ok?
The newer disk drives already spy on you. When you write a CD/DVD they record their serial number on it. All new printers also write there serial number and a date on every page in invisible coded dots.
stageleft, ‘authoritarian’ would be superfluous added to ‘left wing Marxist-Leninist-Maoist bullshit’.
‘Socialist’ government can only be imposed violently and can only survive as a brutal police state. ‘Socialism’ requires terrorizing the population and a pervasive network of secret police and police spies. Obviously I’ve read plenty of history, and you’re a goof to imply otherwise. Typical lefty weasel – ‘Oh, non-authoritarian socialist governments are OK.’
“And it is indeed true, the Chinese are notorious for stealing ideas, and that’s because they are hopeless at coming up with anything inventive themselves. Hence their only role in the global economy is to be the world’s manufacturing center for disposable goods.”
As a Chinese guy I have to take offence to this statement. You’d have been much more accurate had you replaced “Chinese” with “Communist”. Some time ago we used to lead the world in innovation.
Oh, the irony…right wingers actually concerned about the effects of capitalism.
Globalization and off shore outsourcing are good for the bottom line, so stop complaining. Why, thanks to cost cutting and the pursuit of profit, even the US military has to buy ammunition from China in order to fight the evil-doers in the Middle East. And that’s a good thing because that ammunition used to be made by unionized workers who were greedy and deserved to be laid off. They can go to work for Walmart now, while Chinese manufacturers profit from exporting their high quality goods to us.
China makes the the most popular micro chip sets available to the Asian junk electronics market without a cent in royalty to the patent holders, they have technology as soon as it comes off the drawing board…tech espionage is a refined Chi-com art….problem is they can’t build anything from it worth poot…despite all their industrial expansion these clods know about as much about quality high tech manufacturing and fabrication as they do about controlling air pollution.
Segate gone to China? Are you kiding me? Seagate was built by asian pacific turn-key contract plants owned by either Celestica or Sanmina or Solectron for over a decade…they are just moving production to these contractor’s subcontractor partners in mainland China.
If Seagate had anything exposed to give up their Asian contractors have shared it with their Chinese buddies for a few bucks.
When I used to bid in on these US defense contracts the rule was that only 75% of the product had to be made in North America…but we subcontracted to China all the time.
E-biz as usual nothing to see here.
To all you left leaning people…
What part of police doing or going undercover do you not understand?
Why is it ok to go undercover to infiltrate Gangs,
but not radical protesters?
What is it that bothers you?
The fact that the police were doing their job..or ..that they were doing it (TOO WELL)..you know playing the part of radical protesters..carrying rocks and all!
To me ..they looked like they fit right in with that crazy crowd of leftists.
Well lefties, what say you?
William,
First, I’m not a leftist.
Second, the cops were not in a crowd of radical protesters. They were in a small group of peaceful protesters who were demanding that they drop the rocks. Why would undercover cops cover their faces and infiltrate a peaceful protest, while carrying weapons?
There’s only one conclusion a rational person can draw from their actions.
Why is it ok to go undercover to infiltrate Gangs,”
yo william, READ the numerous articles.
including my response.
when cops infiltrate gangs they do exactly what I describe, over the LONG TERM to get lots of high quality evidence.
montebello wasnt ‘infiltration’. it was a desparate last minute farcical attempt to agitate and discredit the protesters.
the ‘undercover’ cops stood out like space aliens. they were outed, the tactic exposed and they were sent home with no supper.
what part of ‘police attempt to trigger riot backfires’ dont you understand?
left right up down inside out, ALL governing parties and points on the political spectrum do it to maintain power so you can shove you rightist ranting about ‘leftists’.
they ALL do it and cops willingly comply to garner brownie points.
have ya got it yet mr IQ in the 70s range?
Iberia wrote:
“Why, thanks to cost cutting and the pursuit of profit, even the US military has to buy ammunition from China in order to fight the evil-doers in the Middle East.”
Sir, it is statements like this one that form the core of my dislike for people like yourself.
The US military a few years ago changed their small arms practice ammunition. They switched from lead, which the USA produces in abundance, to tungsten, which is produced most cheaply in China. The reason for this change was pressure from ill-intentioned greenie (read Leftist) groups using FUD about lead poisoning.
I say FUD because lead does not enter the groundwater from shooting ranges. Lead and lead oxide are insoluble in water. Lead does not degrade over time, it is inert. Lead in a copper jacketed bullet does not form fine particles when fired into a dirt backstop. Three guesses as to which administration this decision was made under.
The US military does not buy Chinese ammunition. Not finished rounds, not cases, not powder, not bullets. All US ammo is made in one dedicated factory. (I don’t know if the workers there are unionized or not, but I’d be surprised if they weren’t.) The factory now buys tungsten from the lowest bidder. China having the largest supply and cheapest labor, it comes from them.
US military ammunition is not made by private enterprise. It is made by a government owned facility.
Any profit to the Chinese from this policy comes as a result of actions of the Left and their appeasers who created this situation.
Don’t expect to get away with your lies and half truths here.
Phantom:
I stand corrected…this is what happens when I try to recall information from an article that I read over a year ago. Don’t take things so personally.
This is the article:
http://www.goiam.org/uploadedFiles/Pick_A_Fight/SURGE/SURGE_Summer.pdf
It seems that some members of the US gov’t are finally waking up:
http://republicans.armedservices.house.gov/News/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=288
No more forgein ownership and control in the USA
So Iberia, you get caught red handed and I’m taking it “personally”.
“Oh, the irony…right wingers actually concerned about the effects of capitalism.”
When you begin a post with something as snide as that, and then follow it with a bunch of Marx’s parrot cage scrapings, you should expect to be brought up short.
Or were you trying to be obscurely amusing and I missed it?
Phantom:
I have admitted to being mistaken about the ammunition, but if you had bothered to follow my links you may have noticed that even the Republicans are concerned about outsourcing of military equipment. Hardly “a bunch of Marx’s parrot cage scrapings” if they’re worried, though it’s because of their trade and labour policies that this situation exists.
Of course they’re worried, outsourcing military equipment is dangerous and stupid. Outsourcing it from the enemy could be considered deliberate sabotage.
Your original comment is what I refered to as Marxist cage scrapings, your comment with the links is quite good. And doesn’t support your origional cage scrapings.
Point is the Republicans inherited this problem from the Clintoon jokeistration. Clintoon and company were all about “spending the Peace Dividend” if you’ll recall, and they certainly did.
Contrast that borderline seditious activity with Bush, who’s busy fighting two wars. One is the shooting war in the Middle East, the other is with the Leftist Coalition For American Defeat, otherwise known as the Democrat Party. No surprise he’s having trouble getting stuff for the military, the guy can’t take a dump without some Democrat screaming FOUL!
Personally I think dealing with the Chicoms -at all- is dangerous and stupid, and I don’t buy Chicom stuff if I can avoid it. Taiwan, Korea, no problem. China? Nuh uh. They are scum and they will do -anything- for a buck. Lead paint on Thomas the Tank Engine is the least of it.
Problem is I can’t always avoid it because the previous Liberal Government here and the DemocRats in the USA made the “We Love China!” policy we currently have.
Hopefully a Conservative majority will do the moral thing and outlaw the importation of products made by slave labor. That would do for a start.
“…Liberal Government here and the DemocRats in the USA made the “We Love China!” policy we currently have.”
I know, and unfortunately the Republicans continued it. In Canada, I seriously doubt the Conservatives would ever restrict imports from China. There is too much money at stake.
They already ship all Lenovos with antifreeze for flavouring.