Fentanyl, what fentanyl?
A new civil forfeiture case in British Columbia has surfaced extraordinary details about a clandestine fentanyl production network that investigators say operated with academic-level expertise, imported laboratory equipment from overseas, and, significantly, relied predominantly on 4-Piperidone, a precursor chemical that Chinese suppliers moved to after the U.S. government cracked down on previous analogs.
The Bureau’s analysis of the filing and information from expert sources suggests the network is consistent with the hybrid model now driving the global fentanyl trade: Chinese Communist Party–linked chemical suppliers, Mexican cartel distributors, and Iranian transnational networks partnering with Canadian gangs, notably the Wolfpack Alliance, to embed industrial-scale production inside British Columbia.
Seems like a ton of trouble to go to, just to supply a small Canadian market.
Man oh Man! Just wait till our “Fentanyl Czar” hears about this!
He’s just too busy right now … sorting his sock drawer.
Are Canadians prepared for US B2 Stealth Bombers to be order to take out these labs?
I don’t think the Canadian fentanyl market is small.
Not if the encampments found in almost every Canadian city are anything to go by.
Man but you’re stubborn.
I’m sorry. Am I not going with the narrative?
You’re not going with math.
The “oNlY 22 kIlOgRaMs” that the Elbows Up retards like to spout would kill a third of Canada’s population. And there’s a hell of a lot more than that being produced in Canada. It’s not destined for the Canadian market.
“It’s not destined for the Canadian market.”
It’s not. Sikh gangsters in BC were just last month caught conspiring with the Sinaloa cartel, the Triads in China and some other groups to ship 100 kgs of precursor chemicals *per month* from Vancouver to LA (for shipment to Australia, apparently).
It’s just too easy for them to do it in Canada…the risks are lower, and the law enforcement negligible compared to other jurisdictions.
Illicit fentanyl is almost never pure, often cut to around 10% purity (although it varies widely).
When customs says it seized 37 lbs over a year (the amount most often quoted), it’s difficult to know how much pure fentanyl that represents, but around 4 lbs is a good guess.
By comparison, the amount of fentanyl seized at the US-Mexican border in a year is around 21,000 lbs. Again, the amount of pure fentanyl will be a fraction of that.
That too!
I would agree that the Canadian market is much larger than the RCMP would admit. But there is no doubt fentanyl is being made in Canada and shipped to the USA and everybody knows it, except for one person.
And who is that one person? Cause it ain’t me.
But reportedly the US seized 37 lbs of (presumably cut) fentanyl crossing over from Canada in one year, and 21,000 lbs crossing over from Mexico. That over 500 times more.
This suggests that Canadian imports of fentanyl into the US is a drop in the bucket.
Sorry, 43, not 37. I don’t know why I confused the two. Maybe because they’re both prime.
Perhaps you don’t understand that 43 pounds of fentanyl is sufficient to kill 9 million 718 thousand people, or that the US market (as such) is over 8 times the size of Canada’s, or that 43 pounds cut properly (400mcg) is about 48.76 million doses with an estimated street value of $145 million (@ $3 a pop).
That’s NOT just for Canada.
As I mentioned above, that figure confuses pure fentanyl with illicit fentanyl, which is typically around 10% pure. When the US Border Patrol says they seized a given amount of fentanyl, the amount of pure fentanyl will be maybe 10% of that.
How much fentanyl is consumed in Canada per year? No one seems to have accurate figures, but it’s very roughtly a thousand lbs of diluted fentanyl, or a hundred lbs of pure fentanyl (give or take a lot).
No, they are not, and you should be angry about it as it is poisoning your people. However, the drug production in Canada is large enough to supply more than your domestic market, and that is a problem — especially for you. Trying to slub it off as a “drop in the bucket” isn’t going to work; it hasn’t worked; it’s going to work less going forward.
The domestic market is about 1000 lbs of cut fentanyl per year, give or take or whole lot. Given that this number is only guessed at, and given that we have even less knowledge about how much is produced here, it’s hard to say if production exceeds demand.
But so far as total imports of fentanyl into the US, the evidence suggests that almost all of it comes from Mexico.
“Approximately 25 kilograms of pure fentanyl were seized,” Morh said Thursday, adding another “three kilograms of fentanyl already cut for street distribution” were also found.
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/11/02/mission-rcmp-fentanyl-drug-seizure/
KM, yer not thinking too clearly. You don’t cut at the factory. It gets too bulky and interferes with primary distributors purity tests i.e. the big money. It gets cut for distribution by the big dealer or primary distributors, and again by the smaller fish on down who operate on ‘guarentees’, as to potency. Secondary and tertiary dealers don’t get anywhere near the operation. 1. They can’t afford it. 2. They can’t be trusted. (Hence the shooting that lead to this bust.)
That’s 55 pounds of pure 5h1t. Do you need me to walk you through the math on that… I didn’t think so.
Nothing refutes the post you responded to. I think you responded to the wrong post.
At any rate, a lot of fentanyl is sold in tablet form these days. If those tablets are formed in the lab, then that’s where they would have to cut it.
I’m going into business as a drug trader, using the name “Fenton Ill”. (“Oh”, I hear you say, “that’s sick!”) I’ll tell customers, “don’t worry, I’m not that pure!”
“Given that this number is only guessed at, and given that we have even less knowledge about how much is produced here”
So by your own self admission you really don’t know what the numbers are.
Have you done any research into how many busts of drugs going out of Canada have happened (you could do narrow searches: one for just 2024-25 and another that tries to pin point a date when drug busts of shipments coming from Canada started to make the news, please make it global)? Tell you what, do that and see what you come up with, and then ask yourself if maybe, just maybe that ‘drop in the bucket’ isn’t a bit bigger than you think.
PS. the lab doesn’t need to make the tablets, a low level street distributor can make the tablets
Actually, the best way to gauge the amount of fentanyl used in Canada is measuring fentanyl in waste water (i.e., sewage).
And you probably want to make the low-level distributors’ job as simple as possible. I imagine they are not la creme de la creme.
The conservative estimate is that for every pound of fentanyl seized, 20 lbs. gets through (lowest estimate, the highest is over 90) — and it isn’t hard to make tablets at the street level, so don’t try to muddy the waters with ‘well, it’s probably not pure fentanyl’.
And no more blah, blah, but muh Mexico! either — the goal is to not have a drug trade problem lest one ends up like Mexico, sort of like the goal is to not say “well my gangrene only affects my right foot”.
Your own government has admitted, through your own bloody media, that Canada has a drug trade problem:
https://globalnews.ca/news/4658157/fentanyl-vancouver-real-estate-billion-money-laundering-police-study/
Note that is from a decade ago and only pertains to one city…time to face reality, before reality catches up with you.
But by all means, carry on.
“The conservative estimate is that for every pound of fentanyl seized, 20 lbs. gets through (lowest estimate, the highest is over 90) —”
Thank you, Jane. I knew there was a ratio…just wasn’t sure what it was.
And of course for that to be accurate the authorities have to be actively *looking* for smugglers coming from Canada, too. KM’s acute case of TDS won’t allow him to admit any of this, naturally.
Carney is going to be pissed!
He blew a tariff deal with Trump just so this stuff could get through, and now he and his bankers aren’t going to get their cut!
Well … it DOES appear as though drug money laundering is more important to your government ent than CANOLA farmers. Drug farmers are protected. Food farmers? Not so much.
but but but he (snarf snarf) “admires their basic dictatorship”. uhuh juthtin. and THIS is another thing they do with that power. did you impress upon Carnage?
More diversity. Did you know that the Japanese yakuza also operates in Canaduh?
Probably slightly off topic but it has occurred to me that if you want to be treated fairly stop poking your opponent in the eye. Message for crooked Carney.
I could sit here all day and draw parallels between China’s Opium wars with the West in the mid to late 1800’s and the current Fentanyl crisis in the U.S. When Britain went to war with China for the right to sell opium to Chinese merchants, one of many reasons anyways…try and wrap your head around that one.
Anywho…I don’t think the Chinese forgot that humiliation and are likely having a good chuckle now that the shoe is on the other foot.
The sins of the father are truly being visited on the children.
That said – It’s clear the U.S. has a President that isn’t turning a blind eye to this so Carney better get his sh*t together. Being a Chinese lackey will only take you so far.
L- Canada being a Beijing lackey sounds like the plot of novel of historical fiction; one where the
plucky, patriotic Canadians rise up from their submissive “go along to get along” and repel the malevolent invaders and indict the internal political lackeys. Then forge ahead to rout the corrupt from our institutions returning us to “the true North, strong and free.
Would that novel entail a 7 year war, a 30 year war or a hundred year war? Or just seem like that, it depends. Liberty lies in the hearts and minds of men and women, as long as it lives
there. The national dream can be passed down from one generation to another. Canada can be carved out of the political wilderness, as it was out of the physical wilderness. What borders it will have… to be determined.
Since Canada’s Arse EMP are tools of China, these arrests are;
… tipped off and insisted upon by US resources and/or
… strategic sacrifices for other purposes, possibly political since Carney needs all the PR distractions he can muster
The Liberal Party of Canada is going down hard and fast,
and they see nothing to save/replace it but Belt & Road.
The citizens will pay dearly for decades of supporting Ottawa’s malfeasance.
The future of the West looks brighter every day.
Chicago _ Feelin’ Stronger Every Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DljvkWj_siY
I agree the problems with the #Libranos are piling up, but the folks who vote haven’t noticed the deterioration yet, their numbers remain essentially unchanged since the national election from April
Which, strangely enough, I’d like to see those support numbers maintained until the AB/Sask. referendums for separation. Probably in early spring of 2026 if the signatures are gotten.
https://338canada.com/polls.htm
Heh.
Canadian Druggies are number 1.
They can consume quantities of fentanyl that would kill an elephant and keep on begging for more.
And they are so rich,they can keep international drug gangs lining up to produce their drug of choice.
Small wonder geniuses in Education Canada want to teach school children “The safe use of fentanyl”.
See what a brilliant future Public Education can prepare you for..
Sarcasm aside,basic maths might help..
Can our government funded junkies provide the profits desired by the drug suppliers?
Some recent fentanyl facts:
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On October 25, 2024, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Federal investigators conducted a series of coordinated enforcement actions across Metro Vancouver, and executed search warrants on a massive drug super lab in Falkland, BC, and associated locations in the city of Surrey, BC. Federal investigators seized 54 kg of fentanyl, massive amounts of precursor chemicals, 390 kg of methamphetamine, 35 kg of cocaine, 15 kg of MDMA, 6 kg of cannabis, 89 firearms, small explosive devices, and $500,000 in cash.
During the course of the investigation, members of the RCMP became aware of several large shipments destined for international export. In response, Federal investigators executed an additional series of search warrants, and seized 310 kilograms of methamphetamine prior to it departing Canada.
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…and that’s just one lab among many.
https://globalnews.ca/video/11126529/fentanyl-super-labs-discovered-in-metro-vancouver
The fact that the US had previously seized ‘only’ 43 lbs at the border compared to the 20,000+ lbs on the Mexico border only reflects the reality that they were not actively *looking* for fentanyl smuggling from Canada at the time…why would they be?
There may have been 430 lbs sent, or 4,300 lbs…we just don’t know. The cartels, you see, aren’t stupid; they will operate in any country they can and change their transport methods as often as necessary to keep their product (and profits) flowing. There is a much longer and much less patrolled border between Canada and the US, obviously. It’s an issue that we *need* to deal with, sooner rather than later.
Nice.
I missed this one so….
That’s most likely an additional 118 pounds of pure fentanyl. Damn. And we’re not even mentioning all the ecstasy which is a direct contributor to all the freaking mental illnesses.
I remember the day when a person who dropped acid 3 or more times could be declared “mentally insane”.
In your own words, “we don’t know”.
And that’s the problem. Trump has imposed a massive tariff schedule on Canada by declaring a national emergency over fentanyl being exported from Canada, when the evidence for such a crisis is lacking.
It’s reasonable for Trump to tighten up border security and ask that Canada to do the same, so that they can gauge the extent of the problem. It is NOT reasonable for Trump to try to shut down Canada’s auto industry just in case the crisis is real.
“In your own words, “we don’t know”.”
Exactly. Quit pushing the “only 43 lbs” excuse. We all know how much you hate Trump…stop embarrassing yourself over it.
“And that’s the problem. Trump has imposed a massive tariff schedule on Canada by declaring a national emergency over fentanyl being exported from Canada, when the evidence for such a crisis is lacking.”
Donald Trump has access to information and evidence that the general public does not. He also doesn’t show his cards beforehand unless he feels it is to his advantage to do so.
“It’s reasonable for Trump to tighten up border security and ask that Canada to do the same, so that they can gauge the extent of the problem. It is NOT reasonable for Trump to try to shut down Canada’s auto industry just in case the crisis is real.”
Donald Trump alone will decide what is ‘reasonable’ to protect his country, not you, Mark Carney or any other Liberals. He represents the United States of America, not Canada…and if he feels that tariff threats are necessary to get the best deal for *his* country, that’s what he will do.
Don’t like that? So stop whining about it and just DO WHAT HE ASKS, then. It’s not like you have a choice in the matter, is it? Put on your Big Boy pants and accept reality, for once. Maybe this will help:
“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.”