105 Replies to “I Want A New Country”

    1. “all it takes is for one [insert selected party] wih the courage to go first”
      well theres yer problem, takes A LOT MORE THAN JUST ONE.
      remember the overthrow of marcos? did THAT take ‘just one’??
      uhhhh, no, it took 100,000s and millions rising up, it to the military to stand down and NOT mow down the protesters to prop up ‘mercuhs’ FAVORITE dick tater in the western pacific.
      that another thing, the ‘overthrowee’ BETTER NOT by buddies with the white house because those one are a real, real ‘tough nut to crack’. hint, see: vietnam
      etc etc.
      and dont fergit, EVERY time you ‘take a crack at it’ and you FLOP, the lasting lesson plants doubt and hesitancy, waffling, reluctance to ‘try again’ maybe we better wait [there it is!!] until the ‘timing’ is right.
      because it never is and the ptb’s powers-that-be MAKE SURE it works out *that way* every time!!!
      good luck alberta, wadnt too hard to sign up back in 187X or whatever, just file for the divorce and watch out for the 5000 tonne bolders landing on your head all of a sudden from . . . . nowhere.
      etc etc

      1. Well… That’s where the “courage” part comes in.
        No one is saying that separation is going to be easy, but IMHO, is something worth fighting for, and an objective worth striving for.

        1. ‘just one’. actually sorta true: Lech Walessa Poland.
          George Washington for that matter.
          add any number of revolutionaries.
          yes, it takes *ONE* to tap the detonator, but all the rest of it has to be there.
          is that true in AB in 2025? got my doubts.
          are they closer than February 2025? boya!!!
          etc etc.
          timing is of the essence. good luck and dont be bluffing like kaybeck to ‘gret better deal’ because the PTBs willcall your bluff.
          or entice them to ‘call yoiur bluff’ except you aint bluffing THEN you got clear sailing aka yawell yawell yawell TROC, you DARED us, so we did it!!!

          1. Comment in our family is that Saskatchewan will go first. Would be interested to see if eastern British Columbia tries to join any successionist movement; they’ve been neglected for many years, valued only for the taxes their resource industries pay to both Victoria and Ottawa while given crumbs in proper services such as seniors’ care.

    2. LOL the ‘Urban Elites’ are the ones who make it wall work. It’s an urban world, get used to it.

      1. Problem is, UnReal, is that we have gotten used to it… for over 120 years, and it’s high time we did something about it, instead of whining about it and taking it on the chin. You’d like that we continue taking the abuse, wouldn’t you? You enjoy being the abuser in this relationship, don’t you? Alberta is used to turning the other cheek, but even an abused spouse gets to the point where they wake up and realize that there’s no value in staying.
        Question is… what are you, the abuser, going to do when the spouse decides to pack their bags and leave? What do you think is going to happen to the rest of the country when the cash cow decides the it doesn’t want to end up as a steak dinner on somebody’s table?
        Just what are all you “urbanites” going to do when your economy crashes through the floor? Get your government to spend money they don’t have to hire more workers to stem the rising unemployment resulting when there’s no more manufacturing?
        …Better get used to that, because that day may be closer than you think!

  2. Canada is largely a nation of wimps. A handful of Canadians talk tough, but when it comes down to making a sacrifice, they scamper off into the sunset, or their winter home Florida.

    Alberta will face mega misery trying to escape the loony bin knows as Canada. Other provinces will go as far as holding their beer whilst they duke it it out, But that’s about it.

    What Canada needs is for Mr. Trump cut a deal with Alberta. All other provinces will vote liberal so to hell with them … Make Alberta …. #51 Texas North. They vote conservative to keep the left out of power …..

    IF THE LEFT CONTINUES UNABATED … CANADA WILL DISSOLVE INTO NOTHING.

    1. It’s too late. Canada dessolved into nothing years ago. Otherwise Canada died years ago its just to lazy to lay down.
      I speak as someone who was once a proud Canadian but who now considers himself a British Columbian.

  3. Right now there are roughly 100,000 Muslims in Edmonton
    There are almost 100,000 Muslims in Calgary.
    2,000 Muslims in Red Deer
    2,000 Muslims in Lethbridge
    3,000 Muslims in Airdrie

    The world has 1,600,000,000 Muslims so there is no shortage.

    If Alberta doesn’t declare independence, there won’t be an Alberta, because Carney will make sure it is permanently destroyed by shipping millions of Muslims, Asians and Africans to Alberta who reliably vote Left and place a burden on the province. Alberta needs to be able to control who lives there or it finished and it will happen very rapidly.

    Danielle Smith may believe her province’s issues with Ottawa are about taxation, energy development, regulation, etc. but it is way, way more complicated than that.

    I have a daughter in London and what’s happened there can happen in Alberta and the rest of Canada. The Frenchman, Renaud Camus, who wrote the book about all this: “The Great Replacement” was just banned from entering England and giving a talk. Imagine that.

    1. You do realize Alberta is the abused woman in a domestic violence relationship. She gets ready to leave and he promises to be better to her. At the same time (like my late brother-in-law) he relies on her income so he can do drugs without working.

  4. Problem #1:
    With an urban voter base that depends upon the arse-wiping wokery of Sohi/Iveson and Gondek/Nenshi, separation just ain’t gonna happen.

    Problem #2:
    The feds know it.

  5. In a heartbeat.

    Unfortunately, I live in the Soviet Republic of Fordistan.

    But if I lived in Alberta or Saskatchewan….where do I sign?

    Wild buffalo couldn’t keep me in this communist country.

    Start your own country and I’ll move there.

    1. Ummmm… You may find that door closed if Alberta does become it’s own country, with full control over it’s immigration.
      If you really want to escape Ontariowe, then come to Alberta NOW while you still can, and fight for your freedom along with the rest of us.
      We may not win, but that’s the risk we take on. The revolutionaries back in the 1770’s must have thought the same thing, but their resolve was greater than the tyranny they would have faced if they had done nothing. The question now facing Albertans is if our resolve is as great as the revolutionaries.

  6. Selling points for the rest of your benighted country:

    1. They no longer need to count Alberta contributions to their carbon crimes.

    2. With far fewer Conservatives in Parliament, they can pass whatever laws are suddenly fashionable in Eliteville: mandatory euthanasia over 80 (the Healthcare Insurance Solvency Law); mandatory homosexual experimentation classes in grades K-8; life sentences for gun ownership.

  7. I think Saskatchewan goes first, if I’m honest. Alberta is too flooded with transplants from the East and foreign nations. None of whom call themselves Albertans. But Saskatchewan is just as disenfranchised but has more of a native-born population, and if they go, I think we follow.

    I also hear the argument to join the USA and agree we’d be better off than in Canada but a quick look at the weaponized alphabet agencies and massive judicial overreach down there makes me more content to attempt to go it alone first. I am also no fan of Canadian health care or the CPP or indeed many other government organizations, but the American systems suck for everyone but the insurance companies. Plus, the USA is just as broke as every other Western nation (and probably more likely to violently Balkanize when the bill comes due), I see no reason why we can’t be more prosperous and better off overall without carrying that additional burden.

    The general coastal culture of celebrity is just not attractive, either, in what serious nation would AOC be any kind of a threat for presidency, as a quick example? We’d really just trading Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver for NYC, the beltway, and California.

    1. I am 68. I have had spectacular experience with Healthcare since 7 when my mother’s job included health insurance. Before was not good. But since then, excellent.

      In August, my breathing difficulties while walking reaching the point that my cardiologist referred me to a surgeon. Three weeks later, I was on the table for 6.5 hours. I am healthier than I have been in decades. I was out $1500 for all of this.

  8. There’s more than enough reasons to leave Canada and there’s more than enough reasons not to join the US. I do like their constitution and would rework it a smidge to try again preventing a new republic becoming a welfare, warfare, bankrupt leviathan and bifurcated state. Limited government can’t remain limited without limiting democracy.

    1. Bingo, “limiting democracy”. No nation that wishes to succeed over time can permit net recipients from government to vote for their choice of governors. Much is made of Conflict of Interests when the subject is a businessman but never is it brought up in regard to voters who work for or otherwise depend upon government spending.

      1. To paraphrase, the western sheep got their vote on what’s for dinner, just like the eastern and central jackals (wolves in original). And now the jackals are indignant that the sheep might not honour the vote.

  9. I know a number of people in my circle of friends, including thoughtful and influential people, who talk more openly about leaving Canada. But I have not heard anyone–not a single person–suggest that they would want to join the USA. Where is this coming from? Who are these people who want this? The cynic in me suggests that it is planted USA propaganda.

    1. I’m a bit suspicious of some of it myself, if I’m honest. The US clearly has reasons to want Alberta and Saskatchewan. Also, the Eastern Canadian media may be behind some of it, trying to stoke some of that rampant and irrational anti-American sentiment to sway people to stay in Canada.

      1. As an American, to me the best initial move for Alberta and Saskatchewan (as well as Greenland) seems to be independence, then becoming a protectorate of the United States like the Marshall Islands and US Virgin Islands.

        That results in a lot of economic and military ties to the US that would reduce the cost of independence, while not being completely beholden to the US.

    2. I think if people reach the point they’d rather be American, they move to America. There’s something like a million Canadians in LA.

    3. My wife is an American. I have applied for a green card. I am out of here ASAP. Canada is done.

  11. Sounds good until another Democrat Government is elected, then we are back where we started!

    1. I would really rather us form our own country with close association with the US. However, Democrat President or not, there is no such thing as transfer payments in the US.

      Each state also has two senators. We would roughly have the same congressional delegation as South Carolina.

      I’m also at a loss, and perhaps someone can enlighten us all, to know if there are any US federal policies that deliberately target certain states for the sole benefit of other states.

        1. Since the replies in a thread are limited (or capped! how ironic) I’ll just make a brief comment in response to my not “getting it” below.
          The SALT was never purposefully intended or “designed” to benefit high tax states. It was born of the idea that individuals should not be taxed twice when in it was introduced in the Revenue Act of 1913. It has had the UNINTENDED consequence of benefiting high tax, typically Democrat (who undoubtedly take advantage of it) states. It has also had the effect of disproportionately benefiting high income individuals. Thus, the impetus to cap it at 10K. Contrast this to canaduh where we often pay tax on tax
          I would ask that you point out, in the United States constitution, where there is a requirement for the SALT deduction to be and further the recognition that there will always be high tax states and low tax states and that the low tax states must always abide by the dictate of the federal government in their fiscal affairs to make sure that low tax states ALWAYS must subsidize high tax states.
          In canaduh, there is a place in the constitution that states there are “have” provinces and “have not” provinces and that the “have” provinces MUST subsidize the “have nots”
          Since it is done on a weighted average, there is a legislated formula that fully defines the criteria what a “have” is and what is a “have not”. By its very definition, there must always be “haves” and “have nots”. There can never be 10 “haves” nor 10 “have nots”. Oddly enough, there is one province, due to the formulation, that will always be a “have not” Should by some miracle they become a “have” how quickly do you think that formula will stay. Furthermore, that same region is allowed to exclude revenues from certain crown corporations which is a massive contributor to their budget. The equalization system IS FULLY INTENDED TO FAVOUR ONE REGION OVER OTHERS.
          Or, is it a line item on every Americans 1040 that asks everyone, regardless of location, the exact same question.

      2. State and local tax deductions (SALT). High tax states like California and New York residents benefit as low tax states like Tennessee and Texas do not. It is a hidden transfer from low tax areas the high tax areas.

        1. Thank you. I forgot about that. However, is it really on the scale of the transfer program enshrined in our “constitution?” If all states adopted the same tax rate as those Blue States would the formula be rejigged to continue to provide extra tax credits to those blue states? Or is it simply a line item on everyone’s W 1040? In the formulation, does California permanently get the SALT deduction and Texas permanently have to subsidize it?

          1. I don’t think you “get it”. SALT is designed to benefit high-tax states AT THE COST OF low-tax states. They [taxpayers] can write off their state and local taxes against their federal taxes owing. This unfairly benefits higher tax states. If every state had the same high tax rates California and New York would have to figure something else out. So the answer is “YES”. As long as Texas has low state and municipal tax rates it will be subsidizing California. During his first term Trump put a $10,000 limit on SALT. Recently, he offered to remove that limit which would put the burden back on low tax states to subsidize high tax states as they would pay a greater amount of the federal tax.

        2. That is not quite accurate. The deduction is right and fair in it’s concept, and not hidden unless you’re dense, circumstances evolved after making it less fair. The concept is avoiding double taxation or a form of it, that some places got a critical mass of progressives and drove taxes to Canadian style levels is not the fault or purpose of SALT. In any event the Dems are leaking water in New York, if it can happen there, it can happen anywhere.

          1. Correct. It was never designed or intended to benefit some states over others. Such is the law of unintended consequences
            Equalization is fully designed and intended to benefit some (well, particularly one) provinces over others.

        3. Mind you it was PDJT who CAPPED SALT deductions in the high tax States. Yes, Trump actually HURT this overtaxed Californian’s bottom line. I cannot deduct any more than $10,000 in SALT. I actually pay more than double that. Trump HURT my Federal taxes … radically added how much I have to pay in Federal taxes … while my SALT have actually increased significantly since 2017 when Trump imposed this change.

          The notion that once Trump capped the SALT deductions … that those HIGH TAX States would moderate if not LOWER their taxes … is laughable. Trump has punished me, economically. Funny thing though … that hasn’t caused me to hate him. Because there IS a certain fairness to his plan. I have the option of moving. What’s keeping me from moving? At the moment … it’s The FED and their artificially HIGH interest rates.

          1. Technically the FED didn’t hurt you. They just didn’t buffer you from the high taxes you pay at the state and local level. If you get to offset your federal taxes against your state and local tax it is unfair to other states that have lower tax rates. They end up paying more of your share of the federal tax. The net result is a trend to higher overall taxes, which is what California is hoping for as it is an uncompetitive state.

          2. Steve … I don’t like disagreeing with anyone as intelligent than you … but YES the FED did hurt me. How? Why? By changing the rules of the game in the middle of the game. I had made ALL my investment and debt decisions based on the longstanding IRS rules that I could deduct all my massive CA taxes on my Federal income taxes. I may never have even purchased property in CA … if I knew my Federal deductions would be SALTed away.

            Changing rules in the middle of the game isn’t quite fair … but since it hurt all my wealthier leftist neighbors more than me … I was good with it.

  12. A couple of points. First, the federal politicians and their government funded media are attempting to make the argument that Alberta and Saskatchewan could not afford to leave confederation because they’d lose transfer payments, passport office, defense etc. So I looked up the numbers. Alberta and Saskatchewan send about 85 billion in taxes to Canada while Canada sends Alberta and Saskatchewan around 13 billion in transfer payments. That leaves a 72 billion dollar surplus to fund the cost of an independent country. Even taking on their percentage of federal debt would only cost about 11 billion per year, leaving over 60 billion of surplus revenue.

    The choice is always presented as complete independence (my preference) or a US state. But, what about a COFA (Compact of Free Association) arrangement with the US. This allows for a strategic trade and defence alliance with the US while Alberta and Saskatchewan become an independent country controlling it’s own laws and domestic policies. The biggest hurdle would be getting a COFA agreement through the US Congress but Alberta and Saskatchewan bring a lot of strategic and valuable products to the table in negotiations.

    2. LC Bennett gets my vote as the smartest, most sensible, and most well spoken person here.

      1. Thanks, but I’m as boring and average as a person can be. I’m just tired of Alberta and Saskatchewan getting abused by the rest of Canada. Eventually enough is enough and divorce, ugly or amicable, is the only option left.

        1. …and modest too! Ever think of running for office? God knows we need politicians with your ethics and smarts.

    3. LC Bennet, to the point that your list of things we’d lose if we separate from Canada includes “defense”:

      Even if the CTF* could recruit and equip to it’s full establishment (it can’t) it would not be capable of providing for the defence of either Saskatchewan or Alberta.

      (* Canadian Token Forces.)

      1. It really is a shame that we ask young men and women (who really should not be in a combat role) to defend our “country” but under equip them, under pay them and under appreciate them. It is a very special person that would step up and say that they would risk their life for a cause they believe in.

        That having been said, what are we asking them to defend and from whom? We live under the protective umbrella of the United States. If, as the blathering idiots of the left insist will happen at any moment, the US Marines came marching across the 49th, would they really stand in the way? (I know many are “oiling their weapons right now”) What about China? They were training Chinese troops in winter warfare? Are you kidding me?

      2. I operate under the assumption that neither Canada, the US nor any foreign country would attack Alberta and Saskatchewan. Canada doesn’t really have the capability. If the US wanted to invade then we couldn’t stop them (but why would they?) The US wouldn’t let any other foreign country attack Alberta and Saskatchewan because we’d be a friendly neighbor of the US with a close economic and trading relationship.

        1. If we are a protectorate, we are a dependent, which is the essence of not being an independent country.

    4. There is also all the thresholds one has to meet to access government $. AB and SASK for EI. In high unemployment areas, anything east of Ontario border, one need work substantially fewer hours before applying and receiving ‘pogey ‘. It discourages initiative to go where the jobs are.

  13. Made the mistake of seeing a portion of Danielle’s interview with that twit Vashy Kappela (I don’t know if that’s how you spell her name and quite frankly, I don’t give a f#ck how the DEI hire spells her name) Vashy was berating Danielle about telling Albertans about what would happen to our social programs if we left . Pretty apparent to me from that Fraser Institute Graph that we would have around another 16 Billion to use. The question should be, what would happen to canaduh’s socialist programs when we leave.

    Look, it’s becoming pretty obvious, canaduh is in a death spiral. I know there are those that rely on the government to come wipe their bum for them will cling to the red fleur-de-lis as they freeze in the dark. It was on a death spiral before Trump took his sharpie out.

  14. Canadians, the very many who’d leave for US citizenship in a heartbeat
    wouldn’t lift a finger to attempt the hard work required to begin cleaning up their own mess,
    would continue to be The Problem With Democracy wherever they are.

    Rod D. Martin, “yearning to breathe free… the US is a constitutional republic that believes in energy independence, freedom of speech, and local self-government.”

    But the US is no longer a republic, who’s ideal is Individual Liberty. That’s long gone, due to the deeply infiltrated Left who believe their natural enemy is anyone not as demented and irresponsible as themselves.

    Canada, and much of the world suffers from the same defect; fat, lazy, self-centered, angry junior-high socialist grrrls, fearful that their house of cards will eventually come crashing down, since nothing honest supports it.

    Alberta Independence is the only way forward for one province.
    Either that, or march on Ottawa and physically take it away from the vandal kids.

    Dan Smoot:
    … “the ideal of a Democracy is Universal Equality, while the ideal of a Republic is Individual Liberty and the US Constitution never mentions the word democracy.

    “Neither does the Declaration of Independence.
    “Nor the Bill of Rights.

    “The US Constitution safeguards the principles of Liberty, and those Unalienable Rights referred to in the Declaration of Independence do not include equality. They do include Liberty.

    “Equality in the eyes of God and before the law is essential to freedom, cannot be decreed by mere government, and any effort to achieve material equality only produces crushing tyranny.”

  15. Unification should be the word of the day.

    For this entire place.

    The only losers would be wealthy easterners, they’re the big fish in a small pond now and they enjoy immensely their power and privilege to tell the rest of us what to do, whether you fish off the east coast, assemble trucks in Ontario, or drill in Alberta.

    51st state talk turns some people off, it has a slight ring of subordination to it among the clueless who don’t understand the meaning of a Republic, they simply don’t know how states interact with the federal government.

    Unification should be the word of the day.

  16. For me, a Puerto Rico style arrangement with the US would be the best of all worlds, independence from eastern Canada but not completely immersed in the US system.

    2. Great, we could be treated like shit like Puerto Ricans. The US is a really shitty union with the federal government constantly fighting with the states. Independence is the only way and if other provinces join us, the new federal government controls the military, the basic mail, and almost nothing else. The provinces would control environment, fishing including salt water, and every other economic activity. Pipeline and utility rights of way and port access would be provided when requested by the source province of the resource.

  17. // But it’s only recently, as Ottawa’s indifference curdled into hostility,
    that many have begun asking the inevitable question: What if we left?
    Not just to form a new nation. But to join one that already reflects their values. //

    Recently??
    Railing at the CPR was an early tradition.
    And in the 70s, [after the Arab nations boosted the price of oil,
    and Peter Laugheed became the “blue-eyed Sheik],
    we have Doug Christie ranting at the Jubilee auditorium.

    “To join one that already reflects their values?”
    https://bsky.app/profile/beingliberal.bsky.social/post/3lkgugwydxo2h

    How this goes may well depend on the future price of oil.

    And the man who is offering this golden prospect?: “What if WE left?”
    // Martin, who now resides in Niceville, Florida, is a former Arkansas attorney whoc
    offers daily in-depth geopolitical analysis from a futurist perspective and a Christian worldview.//

    1. That Blue Sky post is such crap. Median tax rate, lol. Try harder, Libs. Take a 100,000 income and run it through a tax calculator for California and Texas, then one using Alberta and Nova Scotia. Lots of money left for healthcare. The unionization rate is the best part, the entire difference is made up of public sector unions, as 1 in 3 working Canadians work for the “Party”. Can’t call it government anymore, it’s just the Party.

      You can make a pro and con arguments for the US vs. Canada, taxation is not a place to start. It really is simple. If you are a useless, lazy, incompetent idiot, you can do better working for the Party in Canada. If you are anyone else, the US is better.

      1. // It really is simple. If you are a useless, lazy, incompetent idiot, you can do better working for the Party in Canada. If you are anyone else, the US is better. //
        Simple minded; I’ll grant you that.

        There are people seriously planning for separation; as well as flakes talking nonsense.
        Manning is the one to watch; from his dad’s “Back to the Bible” sermons, he seems
        to have developed a protestant version of the “social gospel”.
        His latest, [interpreted by an unimpressed journo}
        // But now suppose someone were to warn he would refuse to accept the result of an election, not because he had any doubt about the integrity of the process, but purely and simply because he disagreed with the electorate’s verdict. And suppose this warning were accompanied by a threat: that if voters were to make such a choice, he and others of like mind would seek to break up the country.
        That, in a nutshell, is what the former leader of the Reform Party of Canada, Preston Manning, has just done. It had the form of an opinion piece in The Globe and Mail. It had the substance of a ransom note. https://archive.is/o/glJbE/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-mark-carney-is-a-threat-to-national-unity/ If the country were to return the Liberals to power under Mark Carney, Mr. Manning wrote, it would lead directly to the secession of Western Canada.
        “A vote for the Carney Liberals,” he warned, “is a vote for Western secession – a vote for the breakup of Canada as we know it.” Lest you think he was merely predicting, and not advocating, Mr. Manning was careful to make his meaning plain.
        He called for the convening of a “Canada West Constitutional Conference” immediately after the election: if the Conservatives are elected, to consider how “to redress the damage done to Western Canada by a decade of Liberal neglect and misrule”; if the Liberals, to “consider ways and means of peacefully seceding.”
        Nice: do what we say, or we blow up the country.
        As attempts at blackmail go, it is cruder even than the note issued by his political ally, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, with its list of “nine demands” the next prime minister must meet – within six months! – or face “an unprecedented national unity crisis.” //

        1. I read those 9 demands. Looks like the US government could meet almost all of those demands immediately. Except the pipelines would go south instead of through Canada before heading to US coasts for export.

          1. Imagine Alberta building pipelines to both coasts through the US. I like that idea.

        2. The constitutional crisis is entirely the making of the feds, and like it or not, we are already in one. There’s no point in blackmailing if the damning photos has already been published by the press.

  18. Heck no to joining the U.S. It would be a whole other set of negatives. Like leaving the pilfering wife beater for a manic one.
    Perhaps a swath east to west excluding the urban lefty hell holes. And the debt is all theirs.
    The well poisoning sown by the Laurentian Nabobs would be a challenge. Provisional citizenship perhaps. No productivity or assimilation? go to Laurentia to get Your free stuff.

  19. If Alberta doesn’t separate, but uses this as major leverage to wring some serious concessions from Ottawa a la Quebec, I would still count that as a win.

    If the opportunity presents itself, don’t hesitate to play the game on your terms.

    1. Trump really only needs to exert pressure on a few small, sensitive points. Some of which he is already doing. A very big one, that I am really kind of hoping for, is to demand full, unrestricted entrance of US dairy products. (To a lesser extent eggs and poultry as well but they are not quite as contentious) Dairy is absolutely central to the Quebec economy. Any opening would crash a lot of asset (dairy quota) value, wiping out the wealth of a lot of Quebec farmers. Quebec really knows this and even tried to get a law passed to prevent any future trade deal from touching dairy.
      If this caused Quebec to f#ck off like they should, I would be less inclined to push independence because reform of the corrupt system that is canaduh might be feasible

  20. I agree with everything except joining the US. Draw the line at the Man / Ont border, and move on.

    When the Dems are in charge in America, it’s no better than up here…maybe even worse. Think AOC, the Squad, Newsome, Pelosi, etc…

    1. We are seeing no signs the Democrats have figured out why they lost in 2024. I see little chance of regaining power now that polling is showing under 21s moving right.

  21. Its a good article that makes some interesting points. Getting out of a corrupt “Post Nation State” like Canada is a very good idea and really needs to happen.
    Now is the time.
    However, I think independence should come before joining the USA.
    An independent Alberta would have an easier time dealing with Americans then they do with corrupt extremist “Canadians”.
    Breaking out of the institutionally bigoted divided mental asylum and gangland political corruption of Canada should be a priority… independence first… once independence is achieved then consider the options. Joining the USA should be considered in those options.
    Anything would be better than staying in the diseased and deranged Dominion… that spells doom and even more subjugation.
    Do Albertans have the balls to do it… ? I hope so.

  22. Alberta doesn’t need to join the U.S. as a State. Alberta has roughly the same population as Norway, Denmark and Finland. The Alberta GDP per capita is significantly higher than that of Denmark and Finland and is comparable to that of Norway. Alberta could have a relationship similar with the U.S. similar to that of Puerto Rico….Cold Lake could become a U.S. military base….Alberta would not have to pay outlandish federal taxes to Ottawa to piss away on Quebec and Atlantic Canada. A properly designed mesh with the U.S. economy could make for an unstoppable economic power.

    Would be interesting to see what would happen with Saskatchewan and also large parts of B.C. and how Vancouver would feel cut off from Eastern Canada.

  23. This American would welcome Canadian separatists with open arms. 51st-53rd States sounds great to me. But since a great number of people whose opinions I respect on these pages look down their noses at that proposition… I defer to your wishes. An Independent Country would be fine with me. Perhaps even “flyover” America will join you for the same reasons you decided to separate.

    An entire new nation stretching from the Gulf of America to the Gulf of Hudson. So long as the new nation will accept an asylum seeker from CA whose life and career have been threatened by TDS suffering LGBTQueers

    1. “Perhaps even “flyover” America will join you for the same reasons you decided to separate. ”

      You just illustrated one of the reasons why the U.S. will not be very happy with any independence movement coming from the western provinces. We already have coastal idiots (California) threatening to secede from the Union; that’s a concept we’re not going to encourage on our doorstep pour l’encouragement des autres.
      Also, the 51st state concept, as per our ambassador to Canada, is done, over for now. And we wanted all of Canada, not part of it; this is for strategic reasons — look at a map. We’re not going to be sticking our necks out for something that doesn’t really benefit us. Any 51st state movement would have to involve a very large part of that country before it becomes worthwhile.
      It is what it is.

      1. Canada would break up into maybe five regions that could equate with states. BC from SE to NW would join Alb/Sask.
        1. The remainder of BC Vancouver/Vancouver island would be named East China after its owners. Vote Democrat – you probably wouldn’t want them.
        2. Sane BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba would fit in the republican headspace. Also the region that could develop independently. Join the US? Not until you have dealt with your Dem infestation.
        3. Ontario? loyalist country – would vote democrat. A mini me New York. Why would you want them?
        4. Quebec? You must learn 17th century French, include it on cereal boxes and be prepared for perpetual whining. Would vote democrat and demand subsidies. Why would you punish yourselves?
        5. Atlantic provinces – poorest region north of Mexico but has potential. Would vote democrat. 5a. Also the Territories – vast area and natural resources with small population. Just join it to Alaska and cap the northern approaches to North America.
        So five states, four that would vote Dem and one that would be just as well off independent. That’s why it was obvious Trump was trolling. Fun watching though if it hadn’t affected the election the way it did.

        1. I’ll say it again: look at the map.
          One thing that seems to have been missed in my President’s pronouncements, back when the 51st state talk was in full swing, was that he didn’t care if he’d be adding “Democrat voters”. In fact, any time he talked 51st state talk, what did he talk about?
          Was it the people (outside of saying he liked them overall)? Was it the resources? Or was it the landmass? There were very valid reasons for that…look at the map and stop thinking in terms of voters.
          For those can change their minds, and my President really isn’t too concerned about ‘Democrat voters’ — he had quite a few vote for him; Reagan did as well. Look at his cabinet — are those all solid “conservative Republicans”?

          This is likely now moot, because we aren’t talking 51st state anymore. That means other opportunities are afoot.

  24. Not happening. If separatists want a province to have the courage to commit, they must first commit to be competent. No more MAGAtards or others racists in the ranks. No mention of ‘globalists’ or WEF or whatever conspiracy d’jour bounces around addled minds. Be aspirational not grievance-driven.

    1. Sorry, is this an argument or a wishlist?

      I have not heard anything like that from Danielle Smith. You can of course disagree with MAGA, but they at least have an argument. What is yours?

      By the way, lower your dose of the Dreizinreport. Guy is still waiting for the Big Pandemic he has been predicting since late 2021.

      1. You’re arguing with an idiot snivel servant. Logic and facts won’t register in its single brain cell.

  25. The Bloc smugly claims Alberta has no culture.

    Alberta culture: Hard work. Earning what you have. Being charitable.

    Québécois culture: Grifting and sponging off of others. Looking down noses at the West.

  26. Why does Manning ( who had his kick at the can) feel we need his input now?
    He was wrong with his prescription in 1987, which he was confronted with then.
    1987!! That’s a lot more than “10” years ago!
    So why does he and Smith use that number?

    “Democracy and Discontent” by Walter D Young.
    https://a.co/d/iawTbof
    Lots of colonial abuse brings us to this point in time. 80 years of it!!!

  27. Alberta’s only choice to separation are either join the US as a state, or an unincorporated territory to the US, like Puerto Rico. If Alberta were to go it alone, it would be problematic. Too land locked, with Canada on three sides and the US on the other. With no port. We’d have to rely on the goodwill of those two nations.

    1. BC, or what would be left of it, say the Coast, would need access to Canada as much as the separated provinces need port access. I’m pretty sure an arrangement could be made.

  28. Unification.

    Of the like-minded people of North America.

    Culture runs north-south along that east-west artificial line, point out the gain in fruits and nuts from the left coast to people in California and BC, more cowboys, oil workers and farmers for the prairie folk, more industry focus for the middle, and what’s the difference in lobstermen between Maine and Nova Scotia? Probably not much…

    Even Quebec has many ties to the US in actual fact, like some US surnames. Bayou is a french word.

    Even Newfoundland was considering joining the US instead of Canada back in ‘49…

    Unification!

  29. If all provinces didn’t have to depend on the fed gov for hand outs do you really think they will miss Alberta? Not a chance! But since most provinces rely on transfer payments which the bulk comes from Alberta, those provinces including the liberal gov are so afraid that the money will disappear. No wonder they are insinuating all sorts of scare tactics to stop Alberta from leaving.

  30. So?
    What kind of society do we desire.
    What do we wish to do differently?
    What can we not do,as part of Canada?

    Reform..The West Wants In”.
    We tried that.
    It is not in the political interests of the Uni_Party of Canada to treat Westerners as full citizens..
    And then came Dread Covid Theatre..
    The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms..finally exposed as the fraud it always was.
    A citizen has zero rights and freedoms in Canada,none that government cannot negate in an instant..By declaring “Emergency”.
    And we found out where all the Nasties had gone,since WW2,they live amongst us,ready to Karen us to hell.

    So? What kind of government would an New Western Nation have?
    Property Rights?
    Limited Government?
    Voting System?
    Should this franchise extend to persons dependant upon the State?
    Where does conflict of interest end?
    Do we get rid of The Welfare State?
    That bankrupted Canada?
    “Free Government Run Healthcare”???
    How shall we structure taxation?
    Top down as now?
    Bottom up,so we can directly address the thieves ,fools and bandits?
    Lot to be said for local,mostly that you know wannabes.
    how shall our Justice System work?
    Innocent until proven guilty?
    or guilty until proven innocent?
    How do we prevent the current abuses by the Justice System?
    The Coutts 4 abuse did not happen by accident.
    What constitution shall we chose?
    Can we write a better one than the USA’s?
    These are all part of the adult conversation that we are not having.

    Personally, Protected Status and eventual acceptance into the USA would be a vast improvement over this State of Thuggery.

    Full blown independence is a more expensive option..
    Other than bragging rights,what benefits would we gain over becoming a State ?

    Due to our location and markets..We are going to be dependant on the goodwill of The USA no matter what we chose.
    As Canada falls into insolvency and corruption,our choices are shrinking.
    Who do we want to be?
    Can we fix our deal with Confederated Canada?
    So far?
    Not working.
    Can we be a fiercely independent nation sandwiched between ?
    Or shall we make Diagolon real?

    Opinions are just like A holes..Everybody has one.
    What are the rational choices?
    Why should we continue to be Patriotic Canadians in a Nation that Canada has become?
    I have nothing in common with Eastern Canada,not even economic self interest.

    On that note,now that Western separation is being discussed..has anyone seen a “Case for Canada”?

  31. Start by getting your own police force – then quickly add a paramilitary division.
    You need the potential for force and the threat of organized violence to disabuse the eastern bastards of their willingness to use the military, because they will.

  32. This is why separatists in the west are mocked and scorned but from Quebec are respected.
    CON-federation.

  33. I agree with much of what the author has lain out, (I don’t agree with his assessment of AB/Sask. not “being able” to join the UN as that’s a no-go zone for me, best to let the UN die on its own accord without us). though I’m hesitant on a couple of fronts best covered in the not so distant past by Mark Levin in his book, “The Liberty Amendments” where he outlines a few ideas best included in America’s future in order to help bolster their future liberties.
    Included were these ideas
    1. Term limits for congress
    2 Returning the Senate to the original constitutional rules
    3 SCOTUS term limits
    4 Limiting federal spending and taxation
    5 Limiting the federal bureaucracy
    6 A promotion to free enterprise
    7. An amendment to protect private property (limiting the commerce clause)
    8 A further means of amending the constitution
    9 An amendment to grant the several states authority to check congress
    10 A protect the vote amendment

    If AB/Sask. are to leave Canada and join the USA I think a period of time “left alone” would be helpful, a transition period of maybe a year or two to negotiate terms of separation, as well as a time to negotiate with the USA how the future shall be. I think Canada will slow walk negotiations, stifle our liberty, and attempt to destroy us once more before letting go, perhaps similarly to how some spouses attempt to ruin the life of someone who’s decided to initiate a divorce.

    Ezra Levant outlined this a couple of days ago, how he thought the near future will pan out for AB/Sask.
    I agree with what he’s saying here, I’ve known how tier 2 Canada has been and is for these past 64 years and I expect the worst from them in the near future.

    Here’s the X/Tweet

    https://x.com/ezralevant/status/1920870932484125156
    It’s kinda long for an X/Twitter post, here’s the bottom half of it quoted…

    “You might even say that Quebec separatism has been a sham for decades: it’s just a good cop/bad cop way of fleecing Alberta. It’s not serious. It’s the permanent revolution. It’s theatrical. What is more revealing than Bloc Québécois MPs collecting their Parliamentary pensions?

    But watch for the opposite towards Alberta. There’s a genuine hatred towards Alberta, and Alberta-ness. The only Albertans respected by the CBC are underminers, like Naheed Nenshi and Rachel Notley, who promised to destroy the industry from the inside. Albertans with Alberta-ness are shunned, demonized, mocked, attacked. Look at how the CBC has tried to destroy Danielle Smith. She was the only female premier in Canada for years; normally she’d be a CBC favourite on DEI grounds alone. But she’s the “wrong” kind of woman, she’s too Albertan, so they hate her and lie about her daily.

    But buckle up now. Every national media company, every national corporation, every bank, every NGO, every “community activist” will be deployed to denigrate and smear Albertans who are just tired of Ottawa’s war on the west.

    Again, if you’re from Toronto or Montreal and need help imagining things, picture Trump-style taxes, tariffs, and other economic warfare for 40 years — going back to the National Energy Program of the 1980s, and even earlier.

    All from your own country.

    Albertan’s aren’t even angry. They’re just done.

    Friendly tip: if you’re a politician or journalist using the same language you did with the trucker convoy (“you’re racist”; “you’re a fringe minority with unacceptable views”; “you’re a crackpot”), you’re not trying to persuade, you’re demonstrating that you hate Alberta, or at least Alberta-ness, too.

    It’s an interesting Venn diagram: the people who called for a “Team Canada” approach and who promised to end internal trade barriers are the same ones denigrating Albertans who are asking for an end to Ottawa’s sanctions. (And what is a pipeline ban, other than a non-tariff barrier?)

    The Canadian establishment demonized Trump as a bully, an economic illiterate and an unreliable friend and ally. They are all of those things and worse towards Albertans. At least Trump kept telling Canada he “cherished” us, as he shook us down. Carney, Trudeau, Guilbeault — they genuinely hate Alberta, and it shows.”

    Ezra Levant

  34. Brilliant comment from Ezra.
    The part that does not make sense to me is why — if Alberta is Canada’s cash cow – Laurentian Elite and Quebecers want to stifle its potential. What’s the point?

    1. Fear, loathing and envy. Which demonstrates that there is no “team” attitude towards the west.
      They will cut off their nose to spite their face.
      Not a real country.

    2. That has always been the question.
      A wealthier Alberta makes for a richer Canada.
      Yet decades of action prove that Ottawa does not want a wealthier West.
      They seek to kill the golden goose..

      This is why separation of our affairs is the only sane action.
      There is something fundamentally wrong with those eastern boneheads.

      “Better to rule in Hell,than share power in Heaven”. about sums it up.

    3. The final question,
      answered only by their actions,
      reasons become irrelevant.

      Having grown up, Albertan’s are long-past-ready to leave the nest,
      ditto many wise Canadians.

      Canadians don’t see it as enmity.
      The Liberal Party of Canada does.

    4. Why?
      Back in 1776 the folks in the 13 colonies rejected this form of government for the same reasons and they listed them in a declaration of independence

    5. Because they are big government Libs, who want control. Economic success is liberating, people question big government, question authority generally and become unruly and hard to “govern.” Alberta demonstrates in small ways that there is a better way. Unleashed, it would demonstrate it in big ways. This is a threat to their authority, and they cannot have it.
      Why did China “disappear” Jack Ma for a few months, when he arguably was beneficial to them and their take? It wasn’t to change him, people like him are not that malleable, it was to remind the common folk who really has the power. The Laurentian elites and their proxy government cannot permit Alberta to succeed too much, it might expose them to even the weakest of Canadians that there is another way.

  35. Listen here to at least the last 10 minutes.
    https://youtu.be/CGs6c7n_myE?si=jtSo6dOW-IjledzS

    May Alberta and Saskatchewan have the resolve and recognize the subversive forces that will try to destroy from with in. They will try to destroy this movement when it is small. Pray the leadership will be credible and not sell out for personal gain.
    Pray our frustrations will not be deflected down the wrong path like in 1987.

  36. Carney should read the writing on the wall, he may have “won” the election but he’s lost the future, everyone can see this Liberal government has nowhere to go but to become a Conservative Party now. They’ve had their run, ransacked the wealth of the nation, produced nothing of value. Carney actually strikes me as being smart enough to know this. Most Liberals aren’t, perhaps I should say, all others aren’t. They need a Gorbachev (and after him we need better than Yeltsin and Putin).

    Really, if you discount Quebec MPs, the balance of power in Ottawa is with the Conservatives, and the mood of the country is turning its back on the woke-boomer-revolution of myths and half-truths. I’m a boomer who always knew it was b.s., communism lite, doomed to fail eventually when the money ran out. And the money is going to run out because either the west leaves or the Liberals succeed in their WEF-inspired project of wrecking Canada completely, or a little of both.

    The start of a solution could be a quick second election, as the Trump factor fades, let the idiots reconsider where necessary, and get a Conservative government — give Quebec an ultimatum, either let us do what we want in our own country, or get the heck out. Tired of their moral posturing based on a climate emergency based on the sad fact that their ancestors chose to live in a place barely fit for human habitation, is that my fault somehow? Is that a “climate emergency?” created by Alberta oil? I call b.s. on this fundamental stumbling block of Con-federation.

    Drive the whole insane circus out of town, Liberals, CBC, Green Party, socialists, idiots. We don’t need to separate, we need to separate them out.

    1. That is the project of decades, and as appealing as it might seem on the surface as being less risky, (that’s all saving the hulk of Canada would be at this point) you don’t have decades, or even a half decade. The spiral is on, you have maybe 24 months or you will be trapped in the vortex, going down the drain last ends in the same place as first, it doesn’t matter.

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