Eastern bastards

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Holy mackerel! This story is well worth reading. The Churchill Falls deal between Quebec and Newfoundland was the most atrocious you could possibly imagine. On Thursday, a deal fixing that was signed.

Quebec and Newfoundland end one of the most bitter energy disputes in Canadian history over the horribly lopsided Churchill Falls deal. Quebec was getting power nearly free, and making billions off it while Newfoundland starved. No more.

FYI, Churchill Falls can produce more power than all of Saskatchewan, if every dam was full, every coal plant running full out, every wind turbine cranking and every natural gas plant humming. The deal that had been in place until 2041 would have had Quebec pay 0.2 cents per kilowatt hour until then. That’s effectively free. This changes all of that.

If Quebec and Newfoundland can make peace on this, maybe some day they’ll allow a pipeline through la belle province? Don’t bet your kids’ college fund on it.

 

Also:

Let those Yankee bastards freeze in the dark?

Ontario mulls U.S. booze ban as Trump brushes off Ford’s threat to cut electricity

That’ll go over well. The 10th Mountain Division will be invading the next day. Their home base is at Fort Drum, New York State. It’s within spitting distance of Kingston, Ont. So, good luck with that.

65 Replies to “Eastern bastards”

  2. Canada has no ability of defending itself….no one would, could take us seriously as a soveign country able to do so.
    The 10th mountain would be in Ottawa by noon….including a donut stop in Kempville

    1. So who, in all seriousness, will ever attack Canada. The only thing we have used our army for since 1885 is to go kill people in their countries.

  4. re: Ford’s threat to cut electricity

    Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
    By ‘enemy’ I mean our own politicians and government.

  6. When the deal was signed, it was lopsided in Newfoundland’s favor and no one complained at the time. No one really believed that the energy prices would rise to the levels they are now so sharply after the Oil crises. HydroQuebec had the foresight to see where the wind was blowing. No one really cares to remember how Quebec had to offer to loan the money to Newfoundland either for them to pay for their share so much the government at the time did not believe in the project. So they made sure that they would be able to reap the profits. No one really should be surprised that after the ‘gift’ of Labrador that there was no love lost from the Quebec side either.

    If you just take what the standard French vs Anglo media always fall back on you might miss this little thing about the deal that even wikipedia notes.

    “At the time BRINCO was praised for having built the station with no public money from Newfoundland, while Hydro-Québec assumed nearly all the financial risk. It is unlikely that BRINCO would have found other investors willing to take on that risk”

    I’m not a business man but I do know that one party takes on all the risk, they reap most of the profits.

    1. When the Alaska pipeline was built financing was arranged thru Japanese institutions. I recall that Japan got oil for 30 years at $3/barrel. But I could be wrong.

    2. Precisely put. Quebec renegotiated the deal early because they might have wound up paying twice as much as they will now (or more) when it expired.

    3. MTLSnowman

      You make it sound like the newfs signed on and got a hellava deal.

      They got sold out by their Premier with the blessing of the federal government. The first question asked in any business deal is, “What’s in it for quebek”?

      Why is it that quebek willingly came to the table 18 years in advance of the expiration of the contract and renegotiated?

      Sure quebekkie fronted the money. I’ll bet the feds backed it. The newfs couldn’t possibly have financed a project of that size in ’69.

      Quebek was forced to right an egregious wrong it perpetrated on another province. There is no other explanation. It was a rape of another’s resources.

      1. Joey Smallwood, the premier of Newfoundland/Labrador thought he was a genius businessman. He was not.

        2. My grandfather (a Quebec business man) back then had contracts with the NL government. Part of getting the contracts was showing up in St. John’s and drinking Smallwood under the table.

          Also he mentioned a chicken coop in the legislature building,

      2. The same could be argued for Ottawa breaking off Labrador for Newfoundland.

        You’re acting as if your knowledge of energy prices now was actual factual at the time when the deal was signed. It was not and the deal was made with what seemed like a good idea at the except for HydroQuebec forecasting that it would be a money maker in time at minimum and a gold mine if/when prices got higher.

        If Quebec had to digest breaking off Labrador when we fought it in court, you can’t really complain if the deal you signed was enforced as well. At least you had a choice in the matter.

        Calling it rape is just about as inaccurate as your ‘colorful’ spelling but yeah you got the short end of the stick on it there bud but the fact you had a stick at all was due to frenchy.

        1. Why’d they renegotiate it then with 18 years left?
          Not something fwenchy would do voluntarily.

          The deal was wrong from the outset and it finally caught up to quebek.

          Rewriting history doesn’t change a thing.

          1. They renegotiated because that was the only way that the Lower Churchill project was going ahead. Between them the two halves of the project, Muskrat Falls and Gull Island, could produce more than 3,000 MW of power at very high capacity. But as long as Quebec refused to negotiate the Churchill Falls power purchase agreement of 1969, it was going nowhere. Quebec needs the electricity to sell to the US because the US NE states are bankrupt in terms of new power supply.

            So what’s in it for both provinces is a near doubling of Quebec electricity supply to the US.

  8. “you attack livelihoods of people in Ontario and Canadians, we are going to use every tool in our tool box to defend Ontarians and Canadians.”

    Oh really Dougie? Remember your frigging mandates and how like a coward you used private businesses to do the government’s dirty work.

    1. The Americans could end the Autopact in the blink of an eye. They hold all the cards whether we like it or not.

      Just imagine, all that Blubber Duggie and his BC commie pal Ebenezer have to do is crack down on the fentanyl epidemic and enforce the laws, albeit, Blackie needs to reverse the permissive laws in this country to put criminals in jail. Instead, we have MUH EMPIRE to protect first, and feck the normie Canadians. Its the LiEberal way, that includes Blubberboy.

      What is it about Ontariowe that turns conservatives into commies?

      1. Ford is an incompetent autocrat who has never really managed anything prior to getting elected on the perceived promise to reverse some of the McGuinty/Wynne disasters , of which he has done nothing other than adopting Trudeau’s policies , and even exceeding them … eg. …. COVID tyranny and Truckers Protest..

        Now he opens his mouth with threats , rather than remaining quiet and actually planning a strategy (if he can think past next week).

        Thankfully Poillivre , so far is remaining quiet , at least for the moment.

        BTW : Canada does have a very big CARD … Alberta heavy oil. The majority of oil deposits in the US are light crude which can be refined to gasoline but not diesel. The US currently imports large quantities of Russian Mazut-M100 heavy crude which is mixed with US light crude in order to refine into diesel. If Russia stops the flow of Mazut-M100 heavy crude , that puts US in a potential bind. Without diesel the US economy comes to a crashing stop!

        A pipeline rather than rail tankers could replace the Russian Mazut-M100 , but not under the present lunatic Trudeau government .

        1. The wokism, queer agenda, racial segregation in Doug Ford’s school system is grotesque. It is way worse than when Wynne was premier. Ford fooled people in 2018. In 2022 the curtain was lifted, same shit different pile.

          2018 Progressives got 2.9 million votes; Lib/NDP/Green 3.3 million votes; total 5.6 votes.

          2022 lockdown Dougie, “I stand shoulder to shoulder” with Trudeau got 1.9 million votes; Lib/NDP/Green 2.5 million votes; total 4.4 million votes.

          Poilievre can win Ontario because he is talking a good game. Ford lost 1 million voters because he was no better than Wynne. New Blue is only Ontario party worth going out to vote for. PC/Lib/NDP/Green is the uniparty.

      2. Further to your point, Dan, BC is currently (no pun intended) importing about 25% of our electricity from the US. This despite Site C actually starting to produce electricity.
        Our incompetent NDP government is doing everything in their power to eliminate the use of Natural gas for
        homeheating etc., inspite of the fact that BC is awash in the stuff, creating a major increase in electrical demand. Great timing, guys!

  9. “Meanwhile, an official in the Ford government says it’s considering restricting the Liquor Control Board of Ontario from buying American-made alcohol. The province says the Crown agency is the largest purchaser of alcohol in the world.”

    Go for it, Ford, because the majority of Ontario voters probably blame the high price of spirits on the very fact you are crowing about.

    Maybe Trump will be able to fix that problem for Canada too… a win-win.

    1. LCBO….another government inefficiency program when the private sector should be doing it

      Paying people $60k-70k to stock shelves….
      DOGE it

    2. I used to believe that line about the LCBO being the world’s largest purchaser of booze. It’s a lie – Costco is. The US market is just so much bigger than Ontario’s.

      1. I hear that old saw lots too and have always doubted it.

        When people tell me this – Ontarians always like to have the world’s largest something! – I always say “if this is true then the LCBO should be using this apparently tremendous buying power to provide us with cheaper alcohol” like…[I then cite cheaper prices in other jurisdictions]

        This usually causes them to change the subject or look at their shoes and mumble something semi-incoherently about “free” healthcare

        My God, people are morons!

  10. The devil is in the details. This will have to go through more negotiation before a binding agreement is realized. The Parti Quebecois (now ahead in the polls) is dead set against the deal and will do what they can to sink it.

    Ce n’est jamais fini tant que ce n’est pas fini.

  11. The New York National Guard, otherwise known as the Weekend Warriors, could conquer Canada in a day. Lazy weekend if they didn’t push too hard. I say that because that’s how long it takes to drive from NY to Ottawa.

    This is not the US Army I’m talking about. This is the New York part-timers. We in Canada have nothing that would even make them reach for the brake pedal. That’s what it means to not have a military.

    Given that, #BlubberDougie the Lockdown King is blustering and acting the tough guy while #ShinyPony prances, shows off his socks and speaks earnestly about being a Feminist Ally.

    Instead of just arresting maybe 5,000 known criminals, foreign terrorists and drug dealer freaks. If there even are that many, could be a couple hundred for all I know. How many hardened criminals does it take to move a few tons of powdered material across the most open border in the world over the course of a year? That’s what we’re talking about.

    This tells me two things. One, all of these people are IDIOTS. Seriously, you would have to be a moron to prance and bluster like this in front of the one guy who doesn’t have to play by the rules. Two, this catch-and-release program they’re on, which is the true source of American discontent, is masking something very, very ugly. So ugly that if Normies understood what was going on, the Liberals, NDPee and Bloc would all go to jail along with a healthy whack of the snivel service.

    So ugly that they’re banning guns. Right?

    1. It’s easy to invade a country, but harder to keep control of it.

      But ‘no more wars’ Trump would invade? All because the US can’t stop a few people from crossing into the US? Solution, invade, take over Canada, and now 40 million people get unfettered access to the US. Brilliant.

      1. Actually the comment was they would invade if blubber Dougie cut the power. Obviously there will be no invasion, it is at best a joke.

        Your point about invasion being easy but control hard almost always applies. This is Canada however, a population of sheep who need mommy government by their side all the time. Canadians will take a knee faster than Trudeau did for George Floyd

          1. Because Ontario will get destroyed if they try to get into a trade war with the U.S. There will be nothing left of it. Oh…and maybe you should look into how pipelines operate coming from the U.S. with refined products.

          2. Ontario will get destroyed by the tariffs, so there’s nothing to lose.

            Cut of electricity, cut off Alberta oil, and Trump loses the mid-term election. Result? Trump would be impeached by the Dems.

          3. Art, it is crude that comes into Sarnia through Michigan. All of Ontario’s refined products originate from this pipeline that crosses the US. If that pipeline was turned off, they would be shipping Saudi/Nigerian crude through the St. Lawrence (during the months that it is open) and training it in across northern Ontario. Ontario would cease functioning if that pipeline was turned off.

      2. “But ‘no more wars’ Trump would invade?”

        I have rarely seen a more clueless reply. Your Premiere AND your Prime Minister are throwing rocks at the biggest bear -in the world-, and there is no fence keeping the bear out. It can come and eat us if it wants. But Trump is the problem?

        They invited MILLIONS of foreigners into the country in the last five years, so many that Canadians are living in tents in the f-ing PARKS, and those foreigners are doing crime all over the place because catch-and-release. But Trump is the problem?

        Who do you work for? China? India?

  13. personally l wd have less than zero pangs of conscience welcoming the Trump voting liberators from the nazi tyranny brought upon us by the electorate.
    same as whut happened in jolly old europe 80 years ago and a bit.

  14. Do you suppose

    And I’m spitballing here

    That maybe Ford would be ok with the US annexation and getting rid of Ottawa imposing itself into provincial jurisdiction?

    It’s just a theory isn’t it?

    1. As far as Alberta and Saskatchewan go, they should simply ignore the feds as much as possible and deal directly with the Trump administration. Ottawa does not represent much of anything in the West. In fact, it reminds me of Moscow during the collapse of the former Soviet Union when Ukraine simply unilaterally peeled off and told Moscow to pound sand because they refused to be dictated to by Moscow.

    2. You are on to something. All Canadians will be better off without the federal government in Ottawa. It’s an instant win with no downside. There are a handful of useful agencies run by Ottawa, but that could easily be handled by Province to Province agreements. Ottawa is the great cancer afflicting all Canadian provinces. It provides nothing of value to any of them any more.

      Except the Maritimes. Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and PEI are still completely dependent on transfers from others.

  15. I’ve always been convinced that one of the reasons nuclear power has had such a cool reception in Quebec over the last few generations is that the Quebecois managed to get the same “too cheap to meter” deal out of Newfoundland in the late 60s. Why bother building a nuke?

    And for anyone who believes that the Quebec government had the residents of Quebec’s backs, note that TPTB in Quebec didn’t give the sweetheart deal to the people, but instead sold it on southwards and charged “da liddle guy/gal” in their own jurisdiction the market-clearing rate (or thereabouts).

    And they call Saskatchewan and Alberta “greedy”!

    1. Isn’t there something in the US-Canada trade deal about the energy producers having to sell their product at market price? Bulk pricing being a separate topic. I seem to remember this having come up for discussion a few years back when BC was negotiating electricity prices with the West Coast US states. Sorry, I can’t remember the exact context, but I seem to remember a major kerfuffle about some less than aboveboard wheeling going on.

    1. I have been watching these advertisements on Fox News, and the Greg Gutfeld show for weeks. Ontario looks like a nice place on sunny days. 🙂

      BTW … where is Ontario getting these multimillion dollars for useless advertising trying to sway public opinion against Trump? Did Kamalala have some leftover dollars from her $ billion campaign war chest? Couldn’t Ontario spend these dollars on hardening the border … instead of hiring ad agencies?

      1. Ontario is running scared. Ontario would be devastated if it tried to engage in a tariff war with the U.S. I mean, last time Canada but tariffs on such important things like playing cards, yogourt and bourbon. Almost brought the U.S. to it’s knees!

      2. Sunny Ontario, yeah. It was sunny today, first day in weeks.

        I went to Friday the 13th at Port Dover Ont. today on my bike. It was a brisk -4C, that is ~25F in American.

        It was awesome.

        I figure maybe 50-100 bikes today, all the hardest of the hard core. Mostly grizzled old biker b@st@rds like myself on adventure bikes, rice rockets, the odd dirt bike, saw a couple of nakeds (no fairing) and not very many Harleys. Santa Claus and Mrs. Santa Claus made an appearance, that was nice.

        Friday the 13th usually attracts over 100,000 visitors in the summer. Today it was -real- Canadian bikers. Kate knows what I’m talking about. ~:D

  17. Ontario would be a smoking economic hole in the ground if it tried to engage in a tariff war with the U.S. Ford is full of crap and blowing smoke.

  18. To all you Kanukleheads reading this and taking Justine’s and Dougie’s side in this ‘trade war’, when will you wake the h*ll up and realize that Canada is already the 51st State. This country would not exist without the support of the United States, and that is just a statement of fact. We would all be better off if the pretense of our independence was removed. The benefits of fully recognizing and accepting our dependence as a state within an American Federation within North America would far outweigh the costs and penalties that we self impose by claiming to be an independent country. For a start we’d have no bilingual problems! Amazing how Quebekers demand that all senior military staff be fluently bi-lingual and that all advertising and government documentation be in both English and French but these people have no language problem when they winter in Florida, and that is only one of the problems that would be solved should we recognize the truth of the matter of a 51st State.

    1. you won’t find anyone here taking Blubber Dug’s, Blackie or Ebenezer’s side of this trade war other than the sockpuppet trolls (unme, allah, dead rat, etc).
      The solution here is to play ball, crack down on our fentanyl crisis, which since 2016, is a State of Emergency in BC under the Commies by the way.
      But, our politicos seem more content with promoting “safe supply”, “safe injection facilities”, and the poverty pimp industry, to encourage drug addiction and the lifestyle.
      We are just the collateral damage to our insipid, elitist, out of touch governments.

    1. Not only that, but Alberta is also talking directly with the U.S. movers and shakers to ensure that oil and gas don’t attract tariffs.

  20. As far as I am concerned, they can ban the US booze from the pathetic and overpriced offerings of LCBO. Go ahead, make yourself irrelevant more than you are now. When you go to a real privately-owned booze store in the US, you realize how lame ours are.

    2. Millers, Pabst, Coors, Ol Milwaukee, Bud.
      Go ahead, cut off the cheap beer?
      When near beer is the same price as real bear ya know ya bin “brainwashed”.

  21. I read all the comments, I digested arguments from multiple sides. All I can say is that I now know more about the issue than I ever learned from CTV/CBC/Global/Torstar etc, and feel I can have my own opinions. Thanks to all, even those I now disagree with.

  23. This all goes away if your government sits down with our government and talks seriously about the border issues. That’s all it would take, I think – just seriously talk, you don’t even need to succeed at what Trump is asking for. Trump is the kind of guy who likes to be taken seriously, and not publicly ridiculed by boys.

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