It appears the Democrats will not be satisfied until they destroy Trump and his family. Is putting him in jail next? Judge fines Trump 354 million dollars.
It appears the Democrats will not be satisfied until they destroy Trump and his family. Is putting him in jail next? Judge fines Trump 354 million dollars.
No surprise. Stupid, because today, everything is stupid. I think we should bring back stockades and tar and feathering.
l dont give and have not thru the entirety of this case, care a hoot about the ultimate ‘truth’ of all this.
what bothers me and will very much so if this vendetta succeeds, is this, how the F**K is it a miniscule handful of players in the american legal cystem (lve long since stopped calling it ‘justice’) diktat the a man with 10,000,000s supporters, who loudly and truly want HIM as potus, determine if he is *allowed* to even have his name on the ballot?
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l chalk it up to a consequence of the tweedle dee tweedle dum 2 party cystem.
The left gets away with this garbage because their base loves to hate. In the word of Yuri Bezmenov, they are fully denormalized.
The left doesn’t own the patent on hate.
The right is right there with them. That’s why you can’t get anything done.
You’d have a point if you could flip polarities and watch the right side of the aisle play with the law when it comes to presidents , all his men ,and the people that voted for him.
The problem is when the end of a long period of impulsive, and coerced tolerance is reached and the results on display , an instinctual intolerance takes it’s place. By one side in it’s original intent , and the other finally in it’s last defense.
You can guess which side is down to it’s last few gasps of air, and imagine what happens when they lose.
Hey Elon Musk, could I borrow a few bucks?
Your buddy the Teflon President Trump.
Obviously illegality at play in our biased Court System.
The Left knows that the U.S. is the last bastion of the West. If they can take them down, the West is done.
The Donald is their main barrier and therefore, he must go.
Their job is almost complete unless his voters can pull him out of the fire.
Only in New York would you be convicted of a victimless crime.
Let’s remember that the bank that Trump “defrauded” said under oath that the loans were repaid in full on time, they’d be pleased to do business with Trump again and no, they never believe the customer’s asset valuations. It is their fiduciary duty to reach an independent opinion.
Look for Trump’s popularity to go up again as he correctly claims malicious prosecution.
it wasn’t a victimless crime. It wasn’t a crime at all.
The “victims” were the state of new york, who couldn’t properly assess the Trump properties for tax purposes, and the banks who loaned him money, who couldn’t properly assess the Trump properties for loan purposes.
Note that neither of those 2 groups of people were employed or controlled by Trump, but he magically was able to bamboozle them to his benefit.
I trust the banks to make a better assessment of property value than the state of New York.
How is it unfair to negotiate a loan on terms acceptable to the lender?
The bank wasn’t “bamboozled” – they were happy to do business with Trump.
If this is a crime, every real estate firm in the nation should be prosecuted.
And, of course neither of those bodies has any responsibility for independent due diligence and assessments, and both were solely dependent on the claims of the Trump organization. Its apparently difficult for them to assess those high-rise buildings that are so effectively hidden, after all.
Never mind that if the State of New York accepted the Trump organization’s claims of inflated values, they would thereupon increase the taxes levied on those properties, and garner greater revenue.
You’re a genius.
If this judgment stands, then every company and every tax payer will sue the city of New York for over evaluating their properties and will demand and receive judgments in the trillions of dollars for excess property taxes paid
Republican’s biggest mistake of the last century was closing down all the mental asylums. Saved some money at the time but those nutjobs have now had 40 years to breed and multiply.
The crazies are at it again.
A reminder of how crazy the crazies are:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-to-start-trump-tower-black-lives-matter-mural-on-thursday-morning/2506262/
Life Follows Art dept.
Nina Hagen – New York New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiscau0zJKc
Lets face it. NY and DC are run by racist & morons.
Legal systems in canada and the US are political garbage cans full of failed leftists.
“Judges” need to be impeached and crown prosecutors/district attorneys need to be fired.
If you get a chance look at the face Arthur Engoron —-This man is an evil Bastard and I hope when this frivolous case is turned around by the United States of American Supreme Court he is barred for life!
Bullshit like this is making courts in Canada and the USA destroyers of the Law!!! The same thing happened to Mark Steyn!
Look at what’s happening in Saskatchewan——–A Judge has ruled against the “Not Withstanding Clause” that former Premiere Alan Blakeney introduced! to our Canadian charter!
How can a judge rule against a consitutional clause?
Good question?? A Charter clause cannot willfully be ignored in a Democracy? But apparently it is happening as we speak in Saskatchewan!
“When Law Courts become political- Democracy Dies” Dr. Hayden
Pretty sad isn’t it, all a society has to do is be to ashamed to speak up about what they see, the values they hold, and how they have lived to see the truth in them . So many stayed silent for so long even now, and tolerated what should at it’s roots been intolerable.
Kieth
I noticed BS like that in the Netherlands, about 40 years ago.
That irked me to no end, as I am from there.
So was my Grandfather on my mother’s side GYM!
Who thinks he gets to retire out from under this debacle. If there is truly justice, he will be held accountable.
I hope Trump finds some “prosecutor” to go after all of these Fani fawning fascists in civil court to break them.
Enough is enough. Fight fire with fire. Fight lawfare with lawfare. Ignore the RINO progressive cowards.
Destroy them like they tried to destroy him; every last one of them, to restore accountability to the Republic.
The only thing eclipsing this nonsense is Biden Brandon clinging to power on the fantasy he can be re-elected.
American voters will never accept this guy getting a second term, despite dystopic, demented DeMarxism.
So buckle for some “crisis” to try to enable their election interference, ballot stuffing and voter nullification.
yep.
entirely possible and plausible.
they’re out there waiting to strike when the new bosses
think theyve got a lock on things and get sloppy.
Exactly right. Engoron’s behavior demonstrates that he is not in his right mind. Frothing at the mouth, slavering TDS.
“If you get a chance look at the face Arthur Engoron —-This man is an evil Bastard and I hope when this frivolous case is turned around by the United States of American Supreme Court he is barred for life!”
I feel the same. I don’t understand this rendering of the verdict and *then* having a trial, for one thing…but this ‘judge’ is clearly enjoying this whole thing far too much. The judgement will clearly be overturned, but what can actually be done to deal with Engoron himself, and by whom?
Democrats won’t be happy until they provoke a hot civil war. They’ll win initial battles but ultimately won’t survive a protracted, unconventional, and asymmetrical conflict. Canada will piggyback on the chaos and whomever is controlling our federal government will try the same here. They’re more likely to win here.
that would be interesting.
a 2nd american civil war won by the republicans (Lincoln) and lost by the democraps (headquartered in the south where the KKK started).
speculating on casualties not allowed.
l took a university history course on just that fracas. reminded the class IT was the 1st modern conflict, not WW I
-massed artillery
-machine guns
-submarines
-aerial reconn
-mechanized (rail, wagon train) troop movement
-total war; prolonged large scale targeting civilian infrastructure.
-etc
whats the odds ‘mercuh’s foreign enemies make sure *THEIR* ‘side’ wins?
At last report at least 40,000 male, fighting-age citizens of the CCP have entered the US via the fee, encumbrance and law-free Southern border; I think you raise an extremely pertinent issue.
Yep, Fully corroborated by Brett Weinstein who went to the Darien Gap and saw FIRST HAND a segregated Camp full of Military Aged Men from China.
This was from an interview session Brett had with Tucker Carlson
Let’s see…
No victim. The banks testified they were fine with the transaction and were repaid.
The Judge declared Trump guilty before the trial.
Trump must put up a bond equal to the judgement against him in order to even appeal.
I sure do miss America.
Jimmy Failla compared the matter to being comvicted of murder when nobody died.
“ Is putting him in jail next?”
Like Putins (who Biden pretends to hate) opponent’s. Yes…and then….
Ive
A read fer yah
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/was-russian-opposition-leader-navalny-cia-op-former/
Well that puts the cap on it. Anyone that can’t understand what has transpired in America since 2009 is totally stupid. “Fundamentally change America” has occurred. The Democrat party has cast off the clown costumes and revealed the Hugo Boss attire. They have resewn the black uniforms into the robes of ‘justice’. Trump upset their plans in 2017. Since then there has been untold thousands of instances of illegality carried out by the ‘justice’ system in America. For all the Democrat/Liberals that are cheering this decision, are you really that deranged from what has happened. American society has been attacked and conquered. From the lowest tax-paying blue-collar worker to the icon of the American dream the justice system has been taken from you. What we are seeing here is financial assassination committed by the justice system in America. Not just financial assassination of individuals but assassination of the capitalist system. Hitler and Stalin could never have accomplished what the Democrats have now achieved. Years in prison without trials for the J6 protestors that couldn’t afford lawyers and financial ruination for everyone else. Oceania has been achieved and there is absolutely no going back.
Yes. But there is a going back, because I’m a stupid positive idiot.
Civil war is getting warmer.
I am confused as to whether these lunatic Dems are fully aware and intentionally provoking a hot domestic war, or they are so oblivious and just think they can impose their dystopic vision on the rest without any pushback. Either way, this shit needs to be stopped in its tracks, by whatever means necessary.
The problem for us on the right is that we are nominally law and order whereas the left has no respect for those notions whatsoever. To them, anything is permissible if it furthers their authoritarian state religion. We need to lose that sense of fair play – they’ve declared war on us and we’re carrying on as if they’re merely misguided and bipartisanship is still a virtue.
Exactly. Republicans via occasional and trivial ‘ethical’ gestures are constantly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Democrats care not one bit for ethics and are wholly focused on winning, regardless of the criminal actions necessary to achieve victory.
With Biden and his handlers (caretakers) tearing the nation apart and shredding the Constitution at every opportunity, conservative wins are desperately needed and the ethical tight-rope walking of Republicans has become betrayal of US citizens.
This will obviously be appealed, and Trump won’t pay anything.
He should maybe move his headquarters out of NYC. I believe he employs a good number of people there. Time to close shop there, and bring in several thousand more illegal migrants to his hotels.
After Elon Musk was denied his “wage” by the court in Delaware, he moved his headquarters to Texas and advised everyone (company owners really..) to move out of Delaware.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1757924482885583112
This bit is very interesting.
“”His refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility,” Engoron wrote.”
It doesn’t matter what the defendant answered in response to questions. It only matters that the plaintiff prove the case. Credibility is not evidence. The judge simply accepted the plaintiff’s claims verbatim.
It’s also signficant that Trump was denied a trial by jury. This too is likely to weigh heavily against this judgment being upheld under appeal.
But who was the plaintiff? I think he was represented by the judge,
There is also the fact that demented Engoron declared Trump guilty before the trial even began.
Whatever you do, don’t invest in New York or buy anything from New York businesses. Or any blue state, for that matter. They have perverted the rule of law and property rights. You know, they’d do the same to you in a heart beat. They had nothing legit on Trump, so the New York (and or DC) whores have to resort to selective prosecution and Lawfare.
Trump lost me at “Warp Speed Vaccine”.. But what the democraps are doing to him is obscene.. He is the only moderate running for office.. IMO America is doomed..
Who gets the $354 million?
The state of NY will just take it, and do what with it?
Beyond desperation, they’re not even trying to make sense.
The prosecutors will likely do a Fani and depart for a month-long tour of Europe. After such a demanding trial, they certainly need a break from the crime-ridden streets of the Big Apple.
“SEC clears Trump’s social media deal worth as much as $10 billion”
“Feb 15 (Reuters) – The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission allowed Donald Trump’s media and technology company to merge with a blank-check acquisition vehicle in a deal that currently values the parent of his social media app Truth Social at as much as $10 billion.
The valuation is about half that of Elon Musk’s much more popular social media company X and follows two years of setbacks in the Trump company’s quest to complete a stock market listing.”
https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/digital-world-shares-surge-us-regulators-clear-way-merger-with-trumps-media-firm-2024-02-15/
I assume it will incorporate in Delaware … where corporate laws enable legalized theft from consumers. Thank you, Joe Biden
Americans are not going to vote their way out of this.
Smoke ’em if you got ’em.
The reason the US is in this mess is the stubborn refusal of conservatives to organise effective, mass non-electoral resistance. Period.
From the BBC.
“In her civil case, New York Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat, had accused all four defendants and the wider Trump Organization of massively inflating property values and lying on financial statements so they could borrow large sums of money at favorable interest rates. She had asked for a fine of $370m.” (End of quote.)
Who has never inflated the value of a house, car or commercial property in order to obtain a loan?? And why did the financial institutions not verify the values?? They did give them the loans!!
Winning an election (or try to win) by using a civil court case is as low as the left can get.
If the banks did not perform independent assessments of the properties (which, at this point it appears would have been pointless, anyway, because the Trump organization performed under the terms of the loans) one can only comment, “Let the banker beware.”
Engoron won his 2003 judicial “election” unopposed, was re-“elected” unopposed in 2012, then won his unopposed “election” in 2016 to the NY Supreme court.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/arthur-engoron-new-york-judge-deciding-fate-trumps/story?id=103606841
I’m like a lot of writers here. I can’t see the logic of this prosecution or its outcome. Trump was obviously dealing at a high level with experienced New York bankers who must have or should have had a handle on a realistic value of his assets. I’m sure he didn’t just hand them a number and they said thanks and accepted it. Even for small loans, bankers question unrealistic claims and demand verification of value. If they knew it was unrealistic and they should have known, then they would have called him on it. According to Trump, and there seems to be no argument to the contrary, he met the terms of the loan and there was no default. So where is the problem other than the possibility of incompetent bankers.
I don’t like Trump but the number of lawsuits and the amount of some of the awards make this look like a witch hunt. It diminishes both sides and makes the US appear that it’s being run by a club of vindictive idiots. Surely they can do better than this pair of seemingly shady old men. Are US citizens back to voting for Trump in the same vein as the last time Trump was elected? – the anybody but Hilary mindset. Only this time it’s anybody but Biden or his handlers who seemingly prop up a demented old man because he is ‘ manageable’ for them. It verges on elder abuse to keep this man in power while he stands in front of crowds and humiliates both himself and his long legislative record with his demented mumbling. He is serving a purpose for some less than ethical individuals. Pity the US who has fallen a long way.
“I don’t like Trump but the number of lawsuits and the amount of some of the awards make this look like a witch hunt. It diminishes both sides and makes the US appear that it’s being run by a club of vindictive idiots.”
My thoughts exactly. The general public is catching on, too.
” It verges on elder abuse to keep this man in power while he stands in front of crowds and humiliates both himself and his long legislative record with his demented mumbling.”
That too. I’ve seen a collection of his recent ramblings, and it makes me both sad and angry. Worse yet, his mental decline was evident even before he was ‘elected’ the first time.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a gift.
The Demon Rats have ODed on it.
Media Clowns expose themselves under it influence.
Self important talking heads melt down with it.
Parasites dance drunkenly on the public stage,stunned by its impact.
If we could bottle the essence,Trump could retire.
Meanwhile?
May all our enemies suffer long and torturous cases of it.
4 more years will be glorious,Liberal,the modern version,tears,panic attacks,hysteria and public wailing sessions..
Progressive comrades,the parasites of man, suffering meltdowns,exploding heads and self exposure as fools..4 more years ought to do it..
Especially if the man burns the swamp..
The stench and the screaming will perfume my air and add music to my days.