Keep in mind that Kansas is not nearly as cold as the Canadian prairies. These kinds of problems might go a long way to explaining why a farm near my home, despite being ecstatic about their Ford Lightning when they bought it this summer, have had to park it for the winter. For those Canadians considering an EV, they might want to factor in the cost of insulating and heating their garage, if they have one.
When they set off, Steavenson said, they could drive for at least 2 ½ hours before needing to charge the Tesla. “We ended up having to stop every one to 1 ½ hours to charge for an hour, then an hour and a half, then two hours,” he said.
“So beyond the lost time, it also got to the point it was between $25 and $30 to recharge,” Steavenson said. “Just in one day, we stopped six times to charge at that cost.”
Steavenson said Hertz said on its website that renting a Tesla was “always cheaper than gas” but added that he’d found the claim to be far from his experience.
Morons. Incapable of critical thinking and maff.
Kansas is not nearly as cold as the Canadian Prairies? Kansas is an American prairie state. Record low temp was -40 F in 1905. Record 24-hour snowfall 30″ in Pratt in 2009. Anybody who lives in Kansas knows what serious winter is like. And should not for any reason be driving an EV in said winter.
Well, it’s plus 9 in Wichita and plus 13 in Kansas City right now. 8:13 CST January 2 2023. A far cry from -30.
They might get some winter weather, but it doesn’t compare to Canadian Prairie cold. Or Montana, ND, SD, Minnesota, or Wisconsin cold.
If you can’t own an EV in Kansas, you probably shouldn’t own one anywhere except for maybe Florida or Southern California.
The most dangerous weather I have ever experienced was a blizzard on the plains of Western Kansas; and believe me, I’ve seen some shit weather in the last 60 years.
Not predictable WHAT SO EVER!!!
Get a key and a kite for back-up power.
I really can’t believe people are this stupid…..they walk amongst us
And they vote
And they get elected
Yet, GlowBull BC had an EV cheerleader story yesterday about nerds in PG saying how great their roller skates ran and performed in -30 weather there. I suppose if you’re just going from your heated garage, 10k to StupidStore and back, it would give that impression.
Typical mediot story, not well researched and sympathetic to their narrow, ideological causes. Someone’s lying, and the media’s track record of lies and distortion speaks for itself.
Nothing like buying a $120k Ferd truck, only to park it for 4-6 months a year.
Stupid is as stupid does, that goes for Ferd and the silly buyer.
This, coming from a lifelong BLUE OVAL guy, and F350/Mustang owner, who sees the new Ferd company as woke knobs, due for a fall, save for that crazy GT500 model.
I have a sence Ford is pulling back from their move to e-ve a bit.. I have a mustang .. My kid has had many and has a 2022, Mach One, and just got a f450 last week.. I don’t see as much hype coming from Ford lately. Did they take a kicking on the EMustang, etc?.. Probably. Mustang people are pretty loyal to the brand.
That abomination stang-E is a 90k purchase. A little rich for Joe and Jane Sixpack to run the kids to school, soccer and hockey.
This is one of the major problems with all EVs. Extreme prices, that outdo an Ice vehicle plus gas costs and it’s not close, despite the propaganda from the EV fanboys and the uninformed media. Plus, those electrons are no longer free for EVs. And of course, Range Anxiety isn’t going away. Nor is charge time vs fillup.
EVs are basically a very expensive, second vehicle, best at running around town, but risky and/or built-in inconvenience on any trips beyond 100km.
The ONLY e-car I will ever own … and only if I ever take up residency in a “senior village” … which will be NEVER.
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Absolutely Kenji. Exceptional at running around the campgrounds, but don’t spill your drink.
In Florida where we used to stay there were a number of those type of golf carts. On fellow, a retired fireman has his decked out like a fire truck. There were several on Gulf Blvd in our area.
I’d like all EV advocates to drive from Prince George to Fort Nelson some time in the next two months. It’s only 815 km, should be a cakewalk.
hahahaha, well I for one am NOT SURPRISED at the how gullible some people can be……THIS EV stuff is just a prime example……They make NO SENSE AT ALL IN ANY COLD CLIMATE SUCH AS CANADA
Where’s Hannah? Charging her imaginary Tesla?
“insulate their garage”
They might want to build a metal garage and put it 150 feet from their house.
Battery fires?
Last year I asked my city councillor if OC Transpo – the Ottawa bus people – upgraded their garage fire suppression system as they bought 1/2 a billion worth of battery buses.
“Yes” was the response. I didn’t ask at what cost.
As a taxpayer I hope we get our money worth for the price of the buses.
I hope you bought a fire extinguisher for your cordless tools.
All energy sources or storage techniques are dangerous, and that’s a good thing; otherwise people would turn into little buttercups faster than they are now.
Holy hell hiho, yes I and every sensible person keeps an appropriate fire extinguisher in their workshop, kitchen, vehicle, and anywhere else pertinent.
You’re some kind of next level moron if you think that basic fire preparedness is being a snowflake.
I can’t believe I have to spell this out, but you’ve proven to be the person too stupid to ken upon it yourself: EV battery arrays produce much larger and more dangerous fires than hand drill batteries when they start to burn.
You see electric cars need more power to operate than hand drills. You understand that? So you’re run of the mill ABC fire extinguisher is not going to handle the car, even if it easily deals with a faulty hand tool battery.
People of normal, or even subnormal intelligence pick that up pretty quickly. It’s a scale difference you see. So you’re either barely smart enough to type or you’re dishonest scum trying to dig up any argument you think will stick, and all you could come up with was that dumbass comparison.
There’s a place for all types of energy. The place for an array of lithium batteries large enough to power a vehicle is not in any typical garage.
Fire suppression, Halon or CO2 ?
Fear-mongering pussy.
I guess you have no cordless tools, or you have a CO2 or Halon system in your home?
In either case, you are nothin’ but a pussywillow buttercup, ie a true Canadian.
You dummy.
I am talking about a large transit garage, that’s normal for fire suppression.
Used in data centers too as it kills a fire quickly.
For my power tools they are easily disposed of by tossing out the door, try that with a multi ton bus sitting beside some diesel powered ones being repaired on jacks .
Ever see a diesel fire rage , much less some lithium powered bus .
+++scar
At some point all this EV insanity will evolve, and reality will set in….yeah right! Again, it leads back to the WEF & cronies!
EV’s are simply a stop gap measure on the path they chose for “us” to enforce using public transport or bicycles only! There is no savings of C02, there is actually a net loss once you factor in the cost of C02 used to create the EV or bird killer. Then add in the inability to recycle, the life span of the batteries etc. The WEF have hoodwinked the idiots of green Greta’s and Just Stop Oil, to be their shock troops, who probably drove their plastic ICE vehicle two hundred kliks to attend the protests. Until we can convince these fools they have been lied to, and show them the truths of their irrational actions, nothing will change.
I won’t hold my breath!
Why rent an EV in winter?
In the summer, sure. Why not, if time is no issue and you’ve got nowhere to really go. And you want to stop and work on your tan. And you can keep the windows open if it catches fire but locks you in.
The math on that’s not very flattering. They could have rented a V6 Accord or Camry, and done the round trip on about $300 in gas. Even if the Tesla had performed as advertised, at $25/charge they would have spent almost as much on electricity as gas. 250-300 mile real world range, vs 325-375 for the V6, means one extra fill stop for the EV on the same route. Even if all goes as advertised, that trip in any EV is 3 hours longer. It’s the difference between two reasonably easy days, and one of those days being really long and tiring. The difference between driving Red Deer-Vegas in a Hemi Ram with 400 miles of usable range (at 75-80 mph), and our old PT Cruiser at 250 miles of usable range is a solid 2 hours, even though the Ram’s bigger tank takes longer to fill. Add 20-40 minutes to each of those fills, plus any time lost because the charging stations are inevitably not right on the interstate or whatever main highway, and a nice road trip can easily become a huge PITA.
And with a Ram you can throw in two 5 gallon jugs of juice and extend the range try carrying a bucket full of coulombs in the back of a Tesla.
Try and make a rational argument, without actually sounding like a land whale beached on lego bricks.
Are you denying that with an ICE you can carry extra liquid form fuel in containers (often informally called Jerrycans although there are multiple forms) within your vehicle for casual recharging?
I drive a turbo diesel. I get about 5L/100 and in real terms just under 1000km between refuelling. It takes me roughly 10 minutes to ‘recharge’ my vehicle, mainly because I linger to buy snacks at the same time. On average I am ‘recharging’ once a month.
Are you suggesting that an EV would operate in EXACTLY the same way?
Cause if they are do not operate in the same way, then they are DIFFERENT and if they are DIFFERENT it is completely valid to discuss the practical implications of these differences in public (or private for that matter) forums.
Time for your Midol
EVs are cool toys for the rich. They are not a practical mode of transportation for most people.
Annnnd, EVs don’t contribute to paying for road maintenance since they don’t pay gas taxes that are earmarked for that. Plus they present an extra hazard for fire severity and frequency. And they put extra pressure on our electrical grid not to mention the environmental damage done by the intense open pit mining for all the extra inputs they require over ICE vehicles. They need to be charged extra for these issues. A yearly fee upon registration perhaps.
My… aren’t we a little bit testy today?
Are you going to curse at me too?
That’s an excellent debate strategy to win over people to your side, I’m sure. /sarc
Sounds like HiHo just realized his 4 year old EV is close to turning into an expensive paperweight due to high replacement battery cost and no market to sell at his mileage, and is really pissed at the people who weren’t as bad at decision making as he is.
Trying to figure out why you haven’t been ejected from this site.
I laff n laff n laff at the utterly uninformed dipshits that have bought into the pure bullshit of EV’s.
Zero capability worth talking about
Can’t tow shit
Charge cost as high as an ICEmobile
Range 1/5 at best of an ICEmobile
Catches Fire.? Goodbye 100k
Non recyclable
Zero market for used.
Yea, given all that they still go like Vacuous lemmings to an EV.
What was it that Barnum said again…?
I just laff n lafff n laff.
Right on the money Steakman.
There’s no logical argument for them.
Matches the amount of logic of our leaders in the Western World.
We need another Churchill.
And the replacement cost of the battery pack for an new-vehicle? My 31 year old pickup truck has done 467k km, my 26 year old has done 267k km, both are still running well with their original gasoline engines.
E-pickup trucks have to be the biggest joke ever
Nothing. Literally NOTHING that’s been promised to be “renewable”, “green”, or “good for the planet” has been “cheaper than dirty fossil fuels” … ever. It’s all been MORE expensive … wayyyy MORE expensive.
Pro tip: in order to make the claim of “cheaper” … the eco-frauds blame every single illness plaguing mankind on “dirty fossil fuels” … “toxic fossil fuels” … and add the total cost of every ill and every weather event on fossil fuels. Idiotic.
Enough with the EV insanity already. The choir is aware that anyone whose transportation requirements exceed a 15 mile commute across town to work is miserably served by an electric vehicle.
My last work trip was 2,800 miles across 5 states. If we outfitted our sales staff with EV’s, productivity would plummet and costs would skyrocket. In fact, we’d probably have to triple the size of the sales staff. Saturday I drove for 15 hours, and logged 900 miles in a 20 year-old Toyota. The laws of physics simply make that journey impossible in an EV. The Toyota never even broke a sweat.
How many Canadians have had their phone frozen from being left over night in a car or even from being left in an outside pocket while outdoors?
All of us?
Every one who has had that happen should know give up their absurd pipe dreams about electric vehicles.