BREAKING: Confirmed that @erinotoole has lost the vote with 73 members voting against him.
November Flashback: “My way or the highway“.
Truckers: “Highway it is”.
Quoting Lance: “They gave him a parade to get in front of, and he couldn’t even do that.”
To me it’s alarming that what-40+ were for oTool. Because to vote with oTool after so many fails and flip-flops (like a fish wrapped in a Pravda newspaper), it means you’re a CINO at beast. If not a Liberal patsy bought and paid for by Laurentian elite. This high number means that there’s a Liberal/woke tumor within Conservative Party.
And Max is a No for me. Besides the petty vendetta and how he’s going into personal attacks, he has that strong French accent and I’m quite PTSD-ed when it’s about Quebec-based politicians. He might be great/some Canadian Trump but my experience with high-level politicians from Quebec is not great at all.
Dan, of the 40+ that voted to keep the Tool I suspect most did not think he was going to get the boot and wanted to stay in his good graces (big mistake). I don’t think anyone will miss him. He has been a disaster by any objective measure. He should have quit after throwing the last election. The fact he did not, shows that he has no honor and deserves no respect. Adios pendejo.
I thought it was a secret ballot?
It’s worse than you think by the way: Scheer, for all his failings, did fire a bunch of people around him when the caucus let him know that the 2019 result wasn’t good enough (though it did end Trudeau’s majority!). Scheer still got the boot and I think that had to be so. Apparently, O’Toole didn’t even fire anybody after he failed so hard and the caucus called it out. Worse was the way the whole carbon tax fiasco was handled oh my God. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but there’s no way around it: O’Toole is worse than Scheer! Oh God it burns!
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That is the really disturbing part. Forget about CINO (there are no principled conservatives). Those are 45 people who are the living incarnation of the cartoon dog drinking coffee in a burning room and stating out loud ‘this is fine’. Like, I get pols that have sold their convictions out for keeping their position. It’s terrible but I get it. But…supporting O’Toole suggests a lack of even a functioning self-preservation mechanism.
That laughing you hear is from Liberal Party headquarters.
I guess running for leader as True Blue and then leading the party as a muddy pink wasn’t the best idea. Bye, bye Erin.
Here’s what it would take to get me to go back to the CPC:
– a public repudiation of progressivism.
– an unbreakable promise to return to actual conservatism.
– a commitment that they would run on AND defend conservative policies and principles.
– a commitment to end all mandates, all carbon taxes, all illegal immigration.
– a commitment to drastically downsize gov’t.
– an end to the disastrous Firearms Act, and related criminal code sections.
– an end to the apartheid Indian Act.
– a commitment to end deficits, and to live within the means of the budget.
– a commitment to paying off the national debt, with a defined end date.
– a commitment to effective recall legislation.
– an apology for calling conservatives “far right” and “extremists”.
– an olive branch extended to Max Bernier and his supporters.
The above would be a good start. We’ll see what we actually get though, and as others have said- I have zero faith that the party would even consider them.
Yes WY. A good start!
If they don’t make some big headway in this direction right away, we are better off without them
I don’t see how anybody in their right mind would ever support the CPC er Lib/Con party ever again. There are much better choices out there.
This a portion of an email from Robert Batherson, President National Council praising O’Tool. The CPC is run by the ‘elites’.
“Today, a majority of Conservative Members of Parliament voted to replace Erin O’Toole as their leader, as is their right under the Parliament of Canada Act.
As President of the Conservative Party of Canada’s National Council, I have received Mr. O’Toole’s resignation as Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, pursuant to Article 10.8.2 of the Constitution of the Conservative Party of Canada.
Conservatives should be grateful for Erin O’Toole’s service and his many sacrifices since he was elected Leader in August 2020. Few will ever know the effort it takes to be the Leader of our party. A very special debt of gratitude is owed to Erin’s wife Rebecca and their children Molly and Jack for sharing their husband and father with our party and our country over the last year and a half.”
Sadly, I think we’d be lucky to get even two things from that magnificent list of yours WY.
And with that two, we’ll also end up getting a bucket of progressive slop.
“defend conservative policies and principles”
There is no such thing as ‘conservative principles’. That’s why you have ‘conservatives’ avidly supporting freedom and ‘limited government’ right up until people use drugs or want to immigrate into the country.
Not much purpose giving Pinky the toss but leaving his advisory staff in place.
The problem is the interim leader is a true lame duck thanks to the dumb rule they can’t run for leader. That stupid rule needs to go. If they could stop it with the rigging via the ranked ballot crap that’d be good too.
So as others have said, put Harper in that place to keep the boat on an even keel and have the leadership race ASAP.
No Harper needs to disappear he’s a toxic loser.
James is right that rule is stupid.
Don’t listen to anyone who says that he is True Blue.
Only “I am conservative” works for me from this point forward.
The Truckers apparently gave most of the coservative MP’s the courage to do the right thing and get rid of O’Toole, (and send a good message to those who didn’t). Now, if they could rumble a few trucks around some CBC stations a couple of times, maybe the conservative MP’s could start dealing with the CBC (and other legacy media) with more confidence and effectiveness. The Truckers are on a roll now.
Segway: what to do with Rebel media?
The Truckers had nothing to do with it, delusion and aggrandization aside. This was the product of months and years of hard work on the party of O’Toole. He really earned this.
Based on the fund raising by the Truckers,the Progressive Conservatives are history.
Our current MPs can sing all the stupid lies they want,they failed.
The public has no doubt who the official opposition is.
10 million in how many days?
This is raw power,a real public mandate.
The uni-party rules and they are totally opposed to what the Truckers represent.
Two years these quislings have promoted State Tyranny..
Damn near every single MP.
Truckers cannot lose.
Even if dragged out of Ottawa and pilloried with endless State Lies and Fake Charges,the Truckers still win.
That there freight ain’t gonna deliver itself.
And given the demonstrated competence of our institutions,the odds of government success nationalizing trucking are about zero.
Sorry boys,I gots the Covid….
See you in 3 or 4 weeks..
And after the idiocy of Bureaucrats making a class one into something near as costly as a pilots license..Where will they find “Qualified” drivers?
Of course expecting government to obey the rules and regulations they jam down our throats…might be the true “Mark” of a Canadian.
We can all get excited but as we’ve seen with Trump (and Harper to a lesser extent), the media will do its best to destroy anyone who challenges the administrative state, its masters and minions. Masters and Minions would make a good video game, I’m thinking.
Rex Murphy, we do not need a “leader” from the current MPs. Pierre Polievre would be OK, but he previously said he does not want the job-that to me is the best qualification for the leader, but we must respect his wish.
Hopefully spineless Ofool will take his spineless advisors with him, how he made it to leader is beyond me-I suspect the establishment elites wanted someone they could control.
The best solution is a merger of the two parties. I am enough of a political realist to know that the larger party will not take the leader of the smaller party, but with a merger, Max Bernier could be back in the front row of either the government or the Opposition depending on when they merge and whether there’s another election soon.
So I would support a leader like Pierre Pollievre who might be able to create a policy set that would be seen as “close enough” by PPC members and supporters, go from that to merger talks and see if we can get back to a version of the party that would approximate the early days of the 2004 merger without the hidden agenda to drift back into the weeds of globalism lite.
Any failure to make this sort of a move will cement the support for Max Bernier and the PPC, if there’s any hint or whiff of a centrist leader who will try to “modernize” the party, then the PPC support base will put the CPC on ignore and keep going, probably with the new influx of CPC members no longer able or willing to stay on for that sort of project.
It’s pretty simple really. Become more small-c conservative and merge, or become large C Liberal lite and continue the split with an ever diminishing set of returns for the CPC, and probably elected members in the next election for the PPC.
So I would wait and see who is running and learn more about their views on these matters. But just one man’s opinion, I would not leave the PPC for any leadership change in the CPC, I would work from this side for party merger if I thought it could work out and not leave us without a voice.
The PPC is a loony bin where the CPC can dump its toxic waste. The NDP serves a similar function for the Liberals. There is no good reason for a merger.
In case anyone has any questions of Max rejoining the CPC , here is an email I received from Max.
” … Like two years ago after Andrew Scheer resigned as leader, some people are now asking me if I plan to go back to the Conservative Party after the departure of Erin O’Toole.
The answer is very simple: No. Never.
It’s very ironic that MPs are kicking out their leader because he flip flopped on key issues, has no firm principles, no clear message, because he pushed the party too far to the left and is only guided by polls.
Who could have predicted that a Conservative leader would do this?! Well, I did, and that’s precisely why I left.
I left because that party is morally and intellectually corrupt. It’s still the same party, whoever is leader.
Don’t forget that all those MPs who are defying their leader today because he lacks principles were completely silent for two years regarding the massive violations of our rights and freedoms.
They are the same MPs who ran on a socialist program last fall that promised a carbon tax, more spending, and ten more years of deficits.
They are the same MPs who voted unanimously with the Liberals and the other parties yesterday to condemn what they say was “antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Black racism, homophobia, and transphobia” during the truckers’ rally in Ottawa last weekend.
This is complete nonsense! They’re afraid to push back against the lies of the media.
I won’t repeat the mistake that the Reform Party did 20 years ago.
Canadians need a real conservative, libertarian, populist alternative. And the only party that offers it is the People’s Party.
I’m not going anywhere.
Stay strong and free!
-Max …”
He’s right you know.
He is also irrelevant.
Interim leader needs to be an asskicking IDGAF leader in parliament.
Next party leader needs to be an asskicking IDGAF leader in the CPC backroom and campaign war room.
It won’t be Max. I got a PPC email about an hour ago, and he says
“Like two years ago after Andrew Scheer resigned as leader, some people are now asking me if I plan to go back to the Conservative Party after the departure of Erin O’Toole.
The answer is very simple: No. Never. “
We had such high hopes for an easy defeat not ready yet Trudeau…3 guys later… I don’t know what Erin was fighting for this time but it sure wasn’t Canadians. Liberal lite is no way to be. We are not a clique, we are working men and women raising families and deserve the right to self reliance and freedom, spelled out under our Charter. No Mr. O’Tool, it is you and whoever was advising you, who was wrong headed and divisive.
Expecting a new and vibrant leader to emerge from the Progressive Conservative Wing of the Canadian Uni-Party,is absolute in sanity.
Here we go again,doing the same old rituals expecting a different result.
Looking for leadership from those hosers is like looking in a bucket of stale crabs for a fresh one to boil.
There is no leadership to be found amongst our current “representatives”,these last two years have proven that.
And the public knows,hence $10 million donated to the Truckers Protest..
Only the pundits and political lice think an answer will come from Erin’s Camp followers,public knows damn well how useless and out of touch our “Leadership Class” truly are.
The loyal opposition of Canada has formed.
For when you realize the only way to get something done,is to do it yourself..you no longer have any respect for those who said “Trust us,we do this thing for you”.
Help you will never accept again.
I only have one thing for our Uni-Party Scum.
Retribution.
We know what they are,so who gives a damn what they select as their “leader”?
Their words are worthless.
Good bye Mr. O’Toole.
Kenney next?
While I’m delighted O’Twaddle got the axe, I am disturbed that there are apparently 45 people who thought more or less ‘this is fine’.
Of course O’Toole had to go. He quickly proved to be a deep-state, globalist, wokeist drone and party tyrant.
He was clearly under the control of the cabal that is now being dismantled worldwide. (For those who scoff, just watch what happens)
What now? Purge the party of the deep-state-connected Red Tory element from the party’s halls of power and influence. Appoint a non-Red-Tory interim leader.
Carefully and aggressively vet all candidates who wish to be leader. If there is any obvious, meaningful, current connection to the deep state/globalist cabal, reject them. If they are clearly on the side of the people, give them a good hearing and decide who is the best choice.
I recommend someone as maverick and rebellious as Donald Trump, albeit with a somewhat more Canadianized manner of speaking, though not a less punchy one.
Also… conventional wisdoms and paradigms… forget them. They no longer apply.
Thanks for the nutjob take. It will be filed appropriately.
Thanks for your opinion. It’s really fleshed out, I noticed. Plenty of substance and not at all just somebody trying to sound cool and properly “intelligent and sophisticated” to the collective. Well-done. I shall file it appropriately in my litter box.
As an avowed supporter of Western Independence, I was hoping the fools would keep O’Toole. The last thing we need is hope that something might get done at the federal level in this forsaken sham of a country.
Can’t blame you for preferring Western independence under the circumstances. As it is currently, it is the only logical alternative.
The only way to make Canada acceptable again would be to scrap the Westminster system of governance, and replace it with a constitutional republic similar to America, with a bill of rights without a loophole that permits tyranny, as the Charter has. Sever Monarchy ties, too.
Well, we’ll see what happens in the near future. I believe fundamental transformations are coming. At the very least, the deep state, including the Laurentian Elite, will be taken down. But not just in Canada. Globally. Just watch what happens now. It’s actually already begun, starting right here in Canada. Players, clandestinely, are behind it. Not just Canadians, either. Like genius/mastermind-level tacticians and planners. Years and years of planning behind them.
You will see things spread and intensify. Corruptocrats will fall. Like O’Toole already did. Like Trudeau. Like Biden. Like Kenney. Like Ford. Etc. Regimes, too. Media (CNN is in the process of collapse as we speak). Etc. Networks of powerful bastards who ruin things for us regular folk… those networks will break.
This is an era in which old conventional wisdom and paradigms will no longer apply, by the way. The past two years have proven this. If that isn’t enough to spark one to think thusly, I don’t know what’s gonna do that for one. The rise of Trump and what’s happening with Biden and the regime in America now, that’s another indication that we need to think differently and expand our thinking beyond what we’re used to. Fresh, not stale. After all, if it weren’t for fresh thinking, America would not exist.
We need someone quick witted, charming and even funny. Someone who will really make Trudeau’s shortcomings obvious by contrast, and never back down but double down without apology.
I’m O.K. on this news. Some are P.O.’d (mostly gals — the heart of the conservative “party”) and some are happy (mostly dudes).
Andrew Scheer and Erin O’Toole won’t fare any worse than, say, Stock Day or Monte Solberg — senior, and respected, Ministers of the Crown, in a new Conservative Administration, which is in the offing…
The subject of discussion concerns this: say, we have 8 areas of discussion.
– what 4 areas, on your side, can I agree upon?, and,
– what 4 areas, on my side, can you agree upon?
Technically, on my side:
– the country, and all of its provinces, are broke (held up only because the bond rating agencies believe that English-speaking governments will make their best efforts, in comparison to other lands);
– the acute health care system is utterly broken;
– the long-term care system is utterly broken;
– the education system is utterly broken; and
– the public health system is utterly broken (can’t make the tests happen, on a good day).
So, that’s five, on my part, and I’m pretty O.K. with CGH’s analysis: there’s a dude who knows.
We have a great country, and we can easily overcome our current discontents!
When the truckers win this for us I suggest they need to be rewarded. Life time exemption from income tax might be one of the ways.