“Democrats need to embrace Hollywood because this is where they need to come to learn how to tell a story.“ – Michael Moore
…in West Side Story, Spielberg literally went woke for broke — down to long stretches of Spanish dialogue with no English subtitles, and his painful justification for it: “I felt that subtitling the Spanish was disrespectful to the second language of this country,” Spielberg said. “It would make English the dominant language, because then there would be two being spoken: the English by the characters speaking and the English that would [be written] underneath the spoken Spanish words.” It also helped convince potential moviegoers to avoid the picture like the plague.

Easily one of the most over-rated directors of all time.
I agree. He had a promising start more than 40 years ago but started losing it in the mid-’80s. The only thing he did since that time that I grew to like was Jurassic Park and it took me 2 or 3 movies to actually enjoy it.
I kinda liked ” AI “.
Except for the futuristic NY under water theme.
I still like Jaws.
One of the downsides of being an unlikeable bitter loner is that when I go to the pub… Hang on, let me Covid that sentence… Back when I used to go out to the pub (ask your parents about the Old Normal, Millennial) I would often end up alone and just basically chilling.
During this time I ended up watching a lot of movies on the corner TV without any sound, which means you have no verbal or musical clues as to what you are meant to be feeling at the time. This means you have only the direction and acting to attempt to tell you the story.
Jaw with the sound turned off is an amazing movie!
A lot of his other stuff? There is a fine line between ‘heartwarming’ and ‘call an ambulance, I have chest pains!’
So yeah, Woke and Burn, Stephen!
Just wait for the all Swahili version!
Mi aerodeslizador está lleno de anguilas,
vs
Gari langu linaloangama limejaa na mikunga.
Well! I am seeing some hard core Oscar Bait here! Bring it on!
(also, for you Millennials? The Oscars used to be a well respected awards night for achievements in movie making. Ask your parents.)
Well, then he should have subtitled the English parts into Spanish and the Spanish parts in to English.
“Spielberg literally went woke for broke”. Good to know, I will avoid this movie totally.
Been done: Bon Cop Bad Cop. Hysterical.
Let’s hope the nihilism introduced in the revisionist version translates to something similar at the box office.
Woke Side Story
I often run the English subtitles on old movies so can understand the dialogue better. Does that mean I am disrespecting English?
Why is that?
I do the same thing and usually only the movies that have been made in the last 20 years.
Are they mixing the audio differently? Do you have to have a theater level sound system?
Go woke, go broke! Again I wonder, why is it that they continue to remake successful films that can only be worse than the originals when there are plenty of failed films that might be made better.
Thomas – That’s a good idea. Maybe they could remake Town and Country https://www.looper.com/637780/the-romantic-comedy-that-almost-ruined-warren-beattys-career/ or perhaps Ishtar.
This list would be a good starting point for an ambitious young producer/director/screen-writer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst
I’ve seen many of the movies on the list, at least the ones made before 2000, thanks to YouTube and Turner Classic Movies.
Some belong in the “so bad they’re good” department, being unintentionally hilarious in their dreadfulness and because they were so ineptly made. (For example, anything directed by Ed Wood is bound to be laugh-out-loud funny, even though he never intended it to be. Plan 9 From Outer Space has become a cult favourite and it’s a guilty pleasure of mine.)
Others, however, are complete and utter rubbish, being tasteless and without any artistic merit. See them once just to say that you did.
” See them once just to say that you did. ”
No , I won’t be watching , Broke Back Mountain, in my lifetime.
Maybe they could remake it with two straight guys who ride and shoot? LOL
BAD – I will check out Plan 9 when I retire…
It shows up on TCM from time to time. It’s an absolute hoot!
T.
They remake them because Hollywood only has 7 stories. They rinse wash repeat everytime. It’s all they got.
Resegregation … the left is dragging America backward. Meanwhile the races continue to mix in marriage and produce a nation of mixed race children. Nobody really cares or wants to be dragged backward into a neo-Jim Crow leftist construct.
Hollyweird…??
Who gives a flying …???
BRAVE Books – The Woketrix | A Matrix Parody
https://youtu.be/9Y5M8jrMLDg
To be fair, Spider-man has taken up most of the space
https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1475305649655496713/photo/1
But
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/29969206-massive-hit-spider-man-is-woke-too
dizzy – Kate’s link lead to this story – https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/12/17/nolte-woke-free-spider-man-crushes-box-office-with-50m-thursday/
An un-Woke Spiderman 3? Nice.
But I still have to watch it on DVD, thanks to the Covid-Nazis and their “Papieren, bitte” routine. No, I’m not showing you my papers to go to a movie, boys.
I’ll just watch it on KODI or Stremio when it comes up ….
Get a Real Debrid account..and stream 4K effortlessly.
I guess “woke’, like all the previous calorie-free “put downs”: do-gooder, social justice warrior, politically correct, virtue signaling, snowflake critical social theory, performative activism etc are a matter of interpretation.
There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn – Albert Camus
Predicting the Marvel Universe will die of Wokeness now that Stan Lee has shuffled off this mortal coil. Spiderman 1 & 2 both had some serious Woke clangers in them, 3 will probably have more, and the Wokification will continue.
Oh well. I have a DVD player and a fast-forward button to skip all the stupid parts..
One of the best things about the plandemic has been the huge @$$ kicking that Hollyweird has taken the last two years. I love the looks on the faces of big stars stuck doing Netflix productions and Chicom propaganda films. Like a deer in the headlights.
+++++/\ Phantom
When Shogun was originally broadcast, there were scenes in which only Japanese was spoken, but no sub-titles. That made it hard to figure out what was going on and, of course, vital bits of the story could go missing.
It was re-broadcast nearly 3 years later and translation was provided, making it much easier to follow.
Personally, I prefer subtitles over dubbing as I like to hear the original language. Also, one can sometimes tell subtle details about the conversation by the manner of expression, even without having it translated.
Shogun had lots of non-Japanese characters. Though they all spoke English in the movie, the main character Blackthorne would have been the only native-English speaker. To be historically accurate, the others would have been speaking Portuguese, Spanish or Dutch (languages that Blackthorne could speak)
Indeed. The ship and crew were Dutch (except for Anjin-san, of course) and the clergy were, as I recall, either Spanish or Portuguese.
I’m with you on the subtitles, B A. Hubby and I started watching “Squid Game” but gave up after two episodes. It wasn’t because we didn’t enjoy it; it was the dubbing. Subtitles would have been much better. You are so right about the subtleties. Much gets lost in translation.
“Personally, I prefer subtitles over dubbing as I like to hear the original language. Also, one can sometimes tell subtle details about the conversation by the manner of expression, even without having it translated.”
Directors apparently dislike them because they take your attention away from the actual movie.
Directors apparently dislike them because they take your attention away from the actual movie.
That’s never been a problem for me. Then again, many modern directors assume that the audiences are cultural illiterates and intellectually bereft.
That’s never been a problem in opera, either. Many houses now use surtitles.
“Directors apparently dislike them because they take your attention away from the actual movie.
That’s never been a problem for me. Then again, many modern directors assume that the audiences are cultural illiterates and intellectually bereft.”
Not a problem for me either. The only time I dislike them is when I’m watching something on TV and the subtitles are over-written by the stations logo or scrolled advertising. It’s like they don’t pay attention.
Too funny. What doesn’t get mentioned is that the film was banned in multiple Middle Eastern countries because one of the film’s character is a binary, non binary, transgender or whatever the hell they call themselves these days.
From a Hispanic film critic. “It’s sad to realize once again the reality that Puerto Ricans and Latinos will be reduced to made-up themes and ideas taken from the playbook of what ‘Puerto Rican’ and ‘Latino’ are to the white imagination—because what’s certain is that nowadays Hollywood is whiter and more exclusionary than ever.”
Let me break it down for ya – Hollywood is chock full of pale faced, virtue signalling shit filled twinkies intent on perpetuating racial stereotypes for their own personal gain.
Rotten Tomatoes – 93% – Audience Score – 94%
So there’s that.
Ghostbusters: Afterlife is anti-woke.
http://www.poletical.com/ghostbusters-afterlife-wokeness.php
What a stupid fucking asshole.
So I guess he’s not subtitling the English parts of the version shown in Spain?
In a parallel universe somewhere there is no bed-wetting over the fact that most of the black actors in Black Panther do not come from Africa and certainly not from the fictional country of Wakanda where there is actual electricity.
There is a huge petition to not kill-off the central character T’Challa played by (the most excellent but now dead actor) Chadwick Boseman.
https://thebrag.com/theres-a-huge-petition-to-recast-chadwick-bosemans-black-panther/
Big petition but no mention of the fact that Mr. Boseman was born and raised in South Carolina (which would make him a deplorable or at least a red neck). Again, respects to Boseman because he played the character well, but he sure wasn’t from Africa.
See, it’s not good enough to portray Blacks in a positive light. You must also depict them accurately – or not.
This woke mess of Spielberg’s is running the studio way into the red. It was estimated to cost $100 million to produce and another $100 million to promote. The first weekend the receipts were only about $10 million.
It sounds like another Heaven’s Gate, directed by Michael Cimino. It’s been said that it was the movie that killed MGM by nearly bankrupting it.
Maybe so and yet it’s a very good film if you have the patience for it. The two hour version was worse.
I’ve seen both and the 4-hour version didn’t impress me. There were too many plot holes that didn’t make sense. Then again, I’ve never been impressed by Cimino as a director.
I guess we’ll have to disagree but, for me, the roller rink and skating fiddler scene was almost worth the price of admission all by itself. Its length and deliberate pacing were a turn off to many. It’s definitely not an action packed, super hero thriller. To be fair, many critics have changed their minds about it.
David Mansfield’s skating fiddler in Heaven’s Gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGd_cytAIkQ
I found this on the same site:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xkwamr8TfU
(There’s a second part to it in which he praises the movie. Apparently, there’s a third part in the works.)
A slight correction on the studio. Heaven’s Gate was made by United Artists, which was acquired by MGM at around the time the movie was released. MGM itself was in rough shape:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/mgm-sold-to-amazon-deal-4075596/
I often try to give a movie I didn’t like at first a second chance, but, try as I might, when it was shown on TCM a few years ago, my opinion didn’t change. I found it tediously long, a movie which should have been, at most 3 hours long, stretched into 4. (That was one of my beefs with Cimino’s previous movie The Deer Hunter.)
Cimino’s reputation was damaged as a result. His next movie Year of the Dragon wasn’t well-received, either, partly for its depiction of Asians. I saw it and thought it was simply a lousy film.
And I thought all the Star Wars movies were just plain dumb and I didn’t like The Deer Hunter or Roger Ebert. Funny how these things work. Cheers.
My question is, how are these studios still open and able to pay the bills? RKO Pictures, the studio that put “It’s a Wonderful Life” and many other movies like “The Bells of St. Mary’s”, “Gunga Din” “Citizen Kane” and every Disney movie prior to the 1950s went out of business because they made a number of movies that did not make any money…yet these modern studios are able to still make awful movies.
yet these modern studios are able to still make awful movies
Maybe they got hints from Canada, where I swear most domestically-made movies were produced, only to be claimed as tax losses.
Also, didn’t Spielberg produce ET? Was that really an accurate portrayal of an extra-terrestrial or did he make the whole thing up?
The Mysterious Case of Heather O’Rourke is a movie I’d watch. But don’t expect Hollywood or Spielberg to come anywhere near it.
The little girl from Poltergeist.
” Their Hereeee “.
In his next movie, Spielberg will probably have characters say that 2+2=5 because saying it equals 4 would be racist, and math is racist anyway.
Why do we call leftists progressive when they are regressing us back to the middle ages?
Speaking of people who are ashamed of the white race, Canada broke a record in the number of immigrants in 2021,
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-23/canada-surpasses-record-immigration-goal-of-401-000-residents
The authoritarian Oligarchical State jack boots its way forward without the consent of the citizenry… the fascistic nature of Globalism.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-pandemic-is-ideal-time-to-reflect-on-canadas-immigration-approach
An American neo-liberal view: [note most were already here, it’s their status that has changed]
Canadian officials recognize that immigrants are key to the post-COVID economic recovery. The U.S. should take note.
// Those new permanent residents have “landed” in Canada.
A landing can either refer to someone whose temporary residence status has become permanent, or someone who has arrived in Canada from abroad and received permanent status. Canadian officials focused mainly on people already in Canada, […]
In 2021, roughly 70 percent of economic-class immigrants—high-skilled people who can perform jobs that are needed in the Canadian labor market—landed from within Canada, while 30 percent came from abroad.//
https://reason.com/2021/12/28/canada-granted-permanent-residency-to-a-record-number-of-people-in-2021/
Reason Com Free Minds & Free Markets
RE: ” . . . Spielberg literally went woke for broke . . .”
Go woke, go broke. But then again, how much of his money was at stake? Make a statement with no personal risk. Does it get better than that? One of the few things Justin ‘Brandon’ Trudeau does better than most . . .
If Steven Spielburgh really wanted to respect Spanish speakers, he would have subtitled the English speakers with Spanish Subtitles and Spanish with English Subtitles.
We have public TV PSA commercials asking businesses to turn on captions. One reason is helps non-English speakers learn English.
One reason is helps non-English speakers learn English.
My mother once told me about the Hollywood movies that were shown in Germany after the end of WW II. Many of them were subtitled and, often, there was a slight delay in the reaction by some people in the audiences. Those who understood English got the jokes right away. The rest had to wait a few seconds for the translation before laughing.
So not including subtitles for Spanish is respectful. Certainly not to the people who pay money to see his cheesy movies.
I can’t think of a single movie of his I like. ET was typical of the crap he made and it was garbage. He knew what people wanted though, I’ll give him that.
ET was typical of the crap he made and it was garbage.
I saw it on commercial TV a number of years ago and I was wondering just what all the fuss was about. Highly over-rated.
I initially liked Close Encounters, but the movie didn’t age well for me.
I was invited to watch a movie over the holiday. ‘Power of the Dog’.
It was a duster so I thought I could handle it.
The movie started with the usual warnings: violence, animal cruelty sexuality.
It had all that it warned of but the sexuality it said it had was – you guessed it, homosexuality.
My gay meter started up early on and as the story unfolded it only proved what I knew was coming.
I excused myself about half way through and left.
My hosts were as embarrassed as I was. They were taken in by the fraud as well.
I could care less if your queer. I have no interest in your issues and I’d be mad as hell if I was sucked in at a theater and paid for this crap.
I looked it up on IMDB. The negative reviews are scathing.
Often, when I hear of a certain movie that I’ve never seen before, I look it up on that website. I read the negative comments and, often, I’ve found them to be quite accurate, considering them to be a forewarning.
The movie’s directed by Jane Campion. I’ve seen some of her earlier movies, such as The Piano, and I didn’t like any of them.
Before the movie started my hosts said it was highly rated on Rotten Tomatoes.
I confess I know nothing about RT. Are they credible?
I don’t know. I’ve never looked at that site very much.
Then again, I’ve seen movies highly rated on IMDB which I thought were absolute stinkers.
Spielberg always gave off the pedo vibe. Can’t stand anything he’s done at my time of life, after realizing it’s obvious in his movies.
I am actually revolted by this movie.
It is a musical, but fails to contain any Rap.
And that’s Wacist cause everyone knows Rap is the second music of America!
(end snark)
I’m assuming it still uses Leonard Bernstein’s original score.