Patrick Moore, PhD – The great Pacific garbage patch twice the size of Texas is fake
Of all the fabricated narratives about the environment, this one takes the cake. Yes, there is plastic in the oceans, mostly discarded fishing gear, but there is no island of plastic waste twice the size of Texas in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Because the average person cannot see the middle of the Pacific for themselves sensationalist activists, media, and politicians just make this up. In fact, plastic in the oceans is doing far more good than harm. Allow me to explain this bold assertion.
I am reading his book “Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom” and it is brilliant.
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david suzuki has a better solution… just blow sh!t up!
“This what we’re come to, the next stage after this, there are
going to be pipelines blown up if our leaders don’t pay
attention to what’s going on.”
apparently justin was right about domestic terrorism.
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Please identify what co-ordinates the “island of plastic waste the size of Texas” is located at?
it’s easy enough to check given that the ocean is routinely photographed from space by several companies…
of course, the response will be a shifting of the goalposts to some variation of “it moves around”, etc…
/maybe it has optical camoflauge
One I heard is that you can’t see it from space because it is just below the surface. You know, because plastic is like a submarine…it doesn’t float or sink. Lol!
It’s not all “discarded” fishing gear, it’s usually fouled and lost.
I beach comb Lake Ontario and most of the trash is Coffee cups, and masks.
East Indians throw plastic wrapped food, framed pictures, bronze jars, coconuts, statues, strings of plastic beads and fabric into Canada’s rivers and shorelines on purpose and nobody calls them on it.
It’s not all “discarded” fishing gear, it’s usually fouled and lost.
Damn straight! Fishing gear is EXPENSIVE! Nobody loses gear on purpose.
Shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
Well, not really.
https://youtu.be/BMjJ6vCZX_I
I remember the cartoon “Johnny Quest” episode in the Sargasso Sea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chLfhxjw8c8
Don’t tell me the Pacific Garbage Patch is just as real?
Didn’t this “pile of garbage” start with the pontifications of a nine year old boy?
Or was that plastic straws, or both?
Love it. Arguing for facts to be heard, or even reason, loses friends these days. Sad.
This article isn’t very helpful. It doesn’t really argue that there is no plastic garbage patch in the ocean, rather, it argues that plastic in the ocean isn’t a bad thing. Not a very convincing argument to those who insist it’s a bad thing.
Ditto. Where’s the part that it’s smaller than claimed?
Good insight on the “death-shaped noxious vortex”:
https://slate.com/technology/2016/09/the-great-pacific-garbage-patch-was-the-myth-we-needed-to-save-our-oceans.html
Regardless of this articles accuracy, the World Economic Forum in their own words:
“…researchers were able to estimate that just 10 river systems carry between 88 and 99% of the plastic that ends up in the ocean from rivers.
Eight of them are in Asia: the Yangtze; Indus; Yellow; Hai He; Ganges; Pearl; Amur; Mekong; and two in Africa – the Nile and the Niger.”
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluting-our-oceans-comes-from-just-10-rivers/
So wondering why Canadians need to be forced to abandon single use plastic products, when Trudeau’s own Masters claim Canada is effectively 0% responsible for this “disaster”.
Same reason Canadians need to return to the Neolithic way of life and die like flies, you racist!
I think you may mean “some or most Canadians” in the broader speak.
Well, some Canadians are more equal than others – that’s why they get to fly around in private jets telling the rest of us how to live.
I explored this topic a few years ago.
I found that, indeed, there is no great swirling mass of plastic items in the Pacific. The pictures we were shown by activists at that time(all close-ups, if you remember)were mainly of clusters of debris from the Japan tsunami(deceitful frigging bastards). I believe that the vast majority of ocean plastics are considered ‘microplastics’, and are too small to be seen at any distance, anyways.
Nonetheless, I believe this statement from the article to be outrageously false AND ignorant….
“To begin, despite the vast amount of propaganda, plastics are not toxic, they are inert.”
Inert? There are countless types of plastics comprised of probably thousands of man-made chemicals in this world. It is simply irresponsible to make such a broadly sweeping and foolhardy statement that 100% of these compounds don’t leach out and are guaranteed inert even after breaking down. Proof you can have a PHD and still be dumb as a stump, what Moore is actually stating is that the science of toxicity from plastics HAS BEEN CLEARLY SETTLED!!! Sound familiar? Once an activist, always an activist, I guess.
On “Inert”
I feel the problem here is we are playing with technically correct words here and forcing the answer that best fits the narrative that works.
Inert is probably technically correct. To be toxic you need to be breaking down and releasing toxins. So if you placed an inert object into your drinking water you would be completely fine in practical terms.
On the other hand, don’t swallow it.
This is the thing. If they weren’t inert they would break down and there wouldn’t be the ‘Plastic Island’ (ya!) but there would be a toxin problem to look into.
On the flip side, while they are not breaking down into toxins, they are still there, and hence the ‘Plastic Island’ (booo!!!)
Put it another way. Granite rocks are not considered toxic. We however still do not eat granite rocks.
I’m sure if there was this island of plastic google earth would show it. Under optima conditions a submarine can be seen down to 200 ft. If you want milli-meters do the math yourself. That blows the below the surface con.
I did a shallow dive on this the other week out of curiosity after the Indian Ocean plastic pit was mentioned as a plot point in that weird Doctor Who spin off series the BBC seems to be keen on at the moment.
Turns out the method of measuring plastic is kg per km2.
So… how does this work? Well kg is a function of density and volume – ie 3D, while area is 2D. So we are being told the 3d content of a 2D area. So… not completely a useful. What if the area in discussion is a puddle only a few cm deep? Or the area over some of those ocean trenches? See how the numbers became effectively useless for deep (pun intended) analysis?
Anyway, if you look at the WikiP pages (so it must be true!) they will show little maps of the oceans and once you get over the ‘Gosh! That is Big!’ first impression you realise that the majority of the area has a concentration of 1kg per km2.
We are also told that the plastic stays around because of neutral buoyancy.
so – rough and ready – assume plastic has same density as water.
1L of water is – roughly – 1kg
Assume the L is a nice cube with 100x100x100mm sides
So now we take one side of the cube we can take an area to area comparison.
So, using metres we have 0.1 x 0.1 = 0.01m2
A square km is 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000m2
So don’t know about you, but I am seeing a little number and a BIG number.
Now if I got my maths correct let us trying an put the ratio into real terms.
Say 80,000,000 million voted for someone (haha – yeah, I know, RIGHT!). Under the ratio above you would still not have a full person made of plastic. Dead? Possibly. Made completely of plastic? No.
THAT is how dense the Garbage Island actually is.
Hey, dispose of rubbish like an adult, okay, but don’t swallow everything put in front of you.
“Seaspiracy” the movie
NETFLIX…
Pretty much tells the story.
I believe we do create a helluva lot of garbage. I do not believe enough plastic ended up in one place in the ocean to create an island. It’s more likely an island of plastics was staged by a cult whose brains have gone to garbage.
Other fake but similar stories.
Fresh water lake in the Arctic ice allegedly lost due to melting. Of course no evidence to prove or disprove it ever existed.
News lamenting the Ross Ice Shelf breaking up. Happened in a January, which is summer in the Southern Hemisphere. Likely happens every summer.
As an old merchant sailor from many….many, years ago, (1967 – 1972) I can attest that it’s extremely rare to see any garbage floating around in the deep oceans. I have crossed the Atlantic forty or fifty of times, the Pacific probably ten to twelve times, and the Indian ocean at least five or six. I have seen floating garbage of size, maybe twice, and even then it was not a significant amount. measured in single meters not miles. Most garbage ejected into the oceans from rivers or from ships, ends up on land due to tides and currents. There is a lot more floating garbage in shallow sea areas and coastal ares such as the Caribbean and Mediterranean seas. However, that also mostly ends up on land and beaches. China, India, and Africa are the worst offenders by magnitudes. I don’t know what the regulations are now, but when I was sailing the seas, all our garbage waste went overboard, as soon as we lost sight of land. Not because we were hiding the fact, but we had to get beyond coastal waters, and then we could toss our garbage overboard. It was standard practice then. Now, it’s probably much more stringent and regulated.