Your Moral and Intellectual Superiors

Asia Times-Indonesia jumps the gun on Ivermectin as Covid cure

Thohir and presidential chief of staff Moeldoko have publicly promoted Ivermectin as an effective treatment for the disease despite the World Health Organization (WHO) warning that it should only be deployed under certain clinical settings.

Thohir and presidential chief of staff Moeldoko have publicly promoted Ivermectin as an effective treatment for the disease despite the World Health Organization (WHO) warning that it should only be deployed under certain clinical settings.

Date on the article is July 22, 2021. Wonder what’s happened since then? 

67 Replies to “Your Moral and Intellectual Superiors”

  1. Ivermectin Research Has a Big Fraud Problem, Scientists Say

    https://gizmodo.com/ivermectin-research-has-a-big-fraud-problem-scientists-1847730533

    “But despite some early studies in animals or in the lab suggesting that it could also help kill the coronavirus, the bulk of the evidence does not point to a major benefit from the drug for actual covid-19 patients, at least to date. The largest and seemingly highest-quality studies have found no real effect on mortality or prevention of infection. Meanwhile, the findings of some studies that seemed to show a tremendous effect have since been thrown into question.”

    Thrown into question = they literally made up the data in one case

    1. Is that like how the international guidelines for HydroyChloroquinine were used as a guide in a test for US veterans to ensure lethal doses (causing HCQ to be removed as a potential treatment because Orange Man Bad)?

      Or is it like how the “fact” that the vaccine is safe was made up without any completed testing, anywhere?

      Shush, child, the grown-ups are talking.

      1. Well, both the statements you just made are completely nonsensical and so is a bunch of the research supporting Ivermectin use. Is that the parallelism you are alluding to?

        1. Just like Biden, McBlackface, Whoregan, no matter what you say, the opposite is the real truth.

          BTW, quoting leftwing websites is just confirmation bias, not truth, dimwit

        2. Horse paste has worked beyond my expectations so far. Twice now I’ve woken with a stuffy nose, took a weight-appropriate dose of horse paste and been right as rain within the hour. Did I have Covid? No way to find out in my province. But definitely no hospital visits.

        3. A lot of posters like this clown are turning up all over the place lately, in forums you would never normally see them in. It’s almost like they’ve been sent. They all have a similar style and tone.

          We saw this phenomenon in the aftermath of 911 when that official story started to unravel. Usually employed through dodgy PR firms close to Washington.

        4. So the chart itself, doesn’t … PROVE the effectiveness? All the scientific “studies” one needs are the universal, empirical results of its widespread use.

          And, in fact, the “vaccine” Studies we’re severely lacking. The results speak for themselves … the vaccines lose their efficacy rapidly.

          So, yes … the vaunted “Institutions” must demand formalized “Studies” they can load with as much crap data and modeling as the latest “global warming predictions”.

        5. No quoting evidence to support your point? Like a pouting 5-year old?

          Hush child, the grown-ups are talking.

    2. Sounds like the data made up for the “approval” of the “vaccines”. There is a plethora of evidence that ivermectin is effective. Not just against the Wuhan virus, but also Zika, Dengue and many others. It is a protease inhibitor….which is precisely what Pfizer and others are using in developing their Covid pills. Of course, they will be patented and cost an absolute fortune.

      And I do laugh when I see you use the word “scientists” as though a particular group of “scientists” are really the GODS of knowledge while ignoring all others.

      AMERICAN JOURNAL OF THERAPEUTICS
      Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19
      Kory, Pierre MD1,*; Meduri, Gianfranco Umberto MD2; Varon, Joseph MD3; Iglesias, Jose DO4; Marik, Paul E. MD5

      “The Panel FOUND THE CERTAINTY OF EVIDENCE FOR IVERMECTIN’S EFFECTS ON SURVIVAL TO BE STRONG AND THEY RECOMMENDED UNCONDITIONAL ADOPTION FOR USE IN THE PROPHYLAXIS AND TREATMENT OF COVID-19.

      In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, IVERMECTIN SHOULD BE GLOBALLY AND SYSTEMATICALLY DEPLOYED IN THE PREVENTION AND TREATMENT OF COVID-19.”

      https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review_of_the_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx

      Oh, by the way, stupid, did you learn how to use the European vaccine database and segregate out the Medical Professional responses from the Non-Medical ones?

      Idiot.

      1. “There is a plethora of evidence that ivermectin is effective.”

        No there’s not. The paper you cite is a meta-analysis that includes faulty studies.

        “A lot of the hope that ivermectin would be a COVID-19 silver bullet arose from the findings of various meta-analyses, including the one conducted by the FLCCC, that combined the results of various observational studies and small randomized controlled trials. One of the more prominent recent ones was posted as a preprint in May by a team of British public health researchers led by the Newcastle University statistician Andrew Bryant. But other scientists have faulted that study for significant methodological failures.

        Also, though it’s not the preprint’s researchers fault, one of the most important studies bolstering their conclusion has been withdrawn because its results appear to be fraudulent. Once the data from that study are removed, the Bryant meta-analysis finds essentially no efficacy for treating COVID-19 with ivermectin.”

        https://reason.com/2021/09/02/unfortunately-ivermectin-is-not-a-miracle-cure-for-covid-19/

        “Oh, by the way, stupid, did you learn how to use the European vaccine database and segregate out the Medical Professional responses from the Non-Medical ones?”

        Separating one kind of nonsense from the other still leaves nonsense.

        1. The daily dose pill that Pfizer has patented and gained approval for this past week is also a protease inhibitor (from their own documentation). So if Ivermectin is not suitable to your liking, why is Pfizer adopting the same approach?

          And lest you think I am trying to pull a fast one, here is visual confirmation of the statement above:

          https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/pfizers-new-pill-to-fight-covid-utilizes-a-protease-inhibitor-ivermectin-is-also-a-protease-inhibitor/

        2. Ivermectin has proven to be effective in many settings. I don’t care what their “studies ” state. It is always possible to manipulate the outcome of a drug study– done all the time. Regardless, since Ivermectin is not harmful, it should be freely available for people who want to use it, as is the case in other countries where you can buy it off the shelf. Doctors should not be put in the position of losing their licence for prescribing to those who request it.

          1. The Indian and Indonesian real-world “studies” seem pretty convincing so far. The Japanese have opened up to using it now, so that will probably be better researched.

        3. Dr. Pierre Kory is the world’s foremost expert on Ivermectin, as well as having extensive clinical experience with it. Maybe you ought to familiarize yourself with him and his colleagues, Unme. And in the meantime refrain from BS comments on what you don’t know about.

        4. Quit being such a racist.

          People from Africa are people, their data counts. People from India are people. Their data counts. People from south-east asia are people. Their data counts.

          Stop assuming that that which you do not understand is wrong. Stop being such a child.

    3. Unme,on this issue I really do not understand what motivates you. You want a treatment, even if only a placebo, to be banned from use by the sick? What is your motivation man? Other issues I can brush off as you being a twit but when it comes to medical treatment, you are more solidly your masters’ lapdog than usual. Do you want people to uneccessarily die just to boost vaccine sales?

    4. Unthing….

      May wanna look here…?
      https://c19early.com/

      It works…As it ALWAYS did – Just Ask the INDIAN CONTINENT….of what 1.3 Billion.
      Or Ask the Chinese who seem to have ZERO issue with the Vid now..??

      Same goes for HydroxyChloroquine in early stage Vid. Have enough here at home and will use it if reqd.

      As for you, I would clearly prescribe a Dble dose of DEWORMER, something not quite right with ya…?

    5. Unthing….

      May wanna look here…?
      https://c19early.com/

      It works…As it ALWAYS did – Just Ask the INDIAN CONTINENT….of what 1.3 Billion.
      Or Ask the Chinese who seem to have ZERO issue withe the Vid now..??

      Same goes for HydroxyChloroquine in early stage Vid. I have enough and will use it if reqd.

      As for you, I would clearly prescribe a Dble dose of DEWORMER, something not quite right with ya…?

    1. I give you permission to have all my entitled Covid jabs.
      Politicians and media tend to pressure people to change their research and opinions.
      Nothing to do with ‘science’, just keeping all on the same narrative even if it’ll kill ya.

      1. ” The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

        Orwell, 1984

          1. No, child. “Trust the party, not the experts (aka doctors who are dealing with the problem)” is Big Brother’s line.

            What kind of “libertarian” trusts Big Brother over their own learning? A false flag, that’s what kind.

            Or stop interfering in discussions you don’t understand, foolish child.

      1. So are you admitting that the vaccines do cause microclots that can culminate in myocarditis? Are you just arguing the numbers and admitting that the vaccine will kill in a way that wasn’t predicted?

        Or is this a typical Ted fly-by pooping?

    2. go to hell unme; respond honestly to my first post. You are a senseless bot, human or not.

  2. But of course, I’m a lying little leftist puke, so disregard anything I post as utter rubbish. And yes, I’m a Branch Covidian who worships the holy jab.

    1. No, you’re a silly fool who parrots things you think are brilliant and never understands the responses. You appear to have the intellectual capacity of a young child (or a bright parrot). Even when countered with overwhelming factual evidence you never change your mind or talking points. You often claim a libertarian leaning, but many of your policy choices make that laughable. I don’t care what your political leanings are, you appear to think that finger-pistols are weapons in a battle of wits (and so are seldom worth the time to answer).

      Hence, hush child, the grown-ups are talking.

    2. Yes….you are a lying little leftise puke. You are simply a repeater of rubbish which you have displayed by pointing to “fact checkers” as though they were the holy word.

      1. Yes, because “fact check” is the new “trust me”. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
        https://www.foxnews.com/media/usa-today-fact-checker-daniel-funke-biden-watch

        If someone does something like looking at a watch isn’t a “maybe”. It’s true or false. And USA Today went on the record with an easily visible lie. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice… nah, I just won’t believe anything they “fact check” in the future.

      1. Dunning-Kruger is people that are an expert at something over-predicting their knowledge in other fields. In what field are you saying UnMe has proven competency, let alone expertise?

    3. No, you’re as fake as the fade cut Feds at a Whitehouse rally. You lot are everywhere repeating the same bilge.

      Blood on your hands.

  3. Hmmm, interesting that it’s just ivermectin research by scientists that is questionable. And only in the last year. Other than that though, “trust the experts”

    1. 696,000 deaths in the UK in 2020 or 1,907 per day. Over 21 days you should expect to see about 40,044 UK deaths (1,907 x 21). So the covid vaccine saved 10,000 people in the UK? I don’t think you are saying that.

      I suggest circleofmathematicians.com

      1. I don’t think we know what the total death count is. What is being described is deaths post vaccine. We don’t know what the daily average is of deaths in the time period when post- vacvine deaths are being measured.
        You also need to factor in the ages of those dying post vax. Some may have died anyway but not all.

        Check out  circleofmathematicians.com.

      2. Have you seasonally adjusted? I made that mistake a couple of weeks ago. It is statistically significant in places that have winter. Based on the revised numbers I looked at, it can be a 30% swing.

    2. Actual statement from this idiot: “the data still shows that all non-live vaccines increased a person’s overall mortality.”

      No, no the data show no such thing. Vaccines are one of the greatest public health measures of all time.

      1. Vaccines made from dead viruses, yes. Vaccines made from whatever was found at the back of the fridge this week, no.

        Hint, one has been tested, and isn’t very likely to kill you. And you can sue the manufacturers if it does (within reasonable legal/medical limits).

  4. PBS News had a gut-wrenching special on Indonesia last night where they showed drone footage of a mass grave cemetery. The journalist went on “with over 3,000 deaths daily, Indonesia is feeling the effects of covid head-on” [I’m paraphrasing – it was a much more emotional summary].

    I googled the death rate in Indonesia (6.5/1,000) and multiplied by the number of Indonesians (~276,000,000) then divided by 365. The answer is close to 5,000. Is my math wrong or is 3,000 deaths per day just meant to make you feel incredulous as long as you don’t look too far?

    1. I do the same all the time (first principals analysis of “how many would die?”). Remember to look at seasonal differences (yes, even in the tropics).

      I suspect that what is being hidden is the old “died with” as opposed to “died from”.

      So many lies have been propagated in the name of this fraud that I’m automatically skeptical when I hear that something is worse.

    2. In 2017, over 7 thousand deaths per day in Indonesia occurred.
      Since these 5000 are NOT additional deaths, can you explain that please?

  5. “Jumps the gun” after millions cured with it in India, millions more in Africa, hundreds of thousands all over South America, and at least 27 other countries not in India or Africa using it and giving out Covid Kits at this point, which include ivermectin, antibiotic, vitamin C, D, zinc, pain reliever, etc.

    https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/08/what-countries-are-using-ivermectin.html

    There sure are going to be a lot less horse worms when this is all over.

    And yes, some of the studies were fraudulent, designed to fail, just like with HCQ. The one funded by Bill Gates was one of those. Gave people just one pill of a fixed size, instead of dosing by body weight for several days. SSDD, and the MSM plays along.

    https://c19ivermectin.com/

    1. Quite so. The malevolence of the p[eople pushing this hysteria just to sell a worth vaccine and push a universal social credit card is beyond my credulity. The should be Nuremberg II. In Nuremberg I, it was determined that Mengele forcing experiemntal drugs on people was immoral. Nuremberg II should see some hangins and retributions for the unnecissarily dead.

    2. Yes, but UnMe doesn’t agree that they’re people, so it doesn’t count.

      I’d sign up for Canadian tests if I got a positive Covid test, but apparently I’m even more underhuman than the “colored” designation that the Democrats fought a civil war to maintain.

  6. Just because something works doesn’t make it morally right. Because we exist only to make Dr. Faustus feel good about himself.

  7. When you have a province in India that has a population of 250 million people and 199 active cases due to invemectin use that’s enough of a study for me,
    My daughter, who trains horse, and dose a ton of research on covid takes “horse wormer”.You simply adjust the dose based on weight.It does taste like crap though.And other than the fact she has started to “whinney” there are no adverse effects.

    1. “When you have a province in India that has a population of 250 million people and 199 active cases due to invemectin use that’s enough of a study for me,”

      Yes but that’s because you’re an ignoramus who has no idea how science or much else works. God help the lab that has your daughter working in it. Guess I’ll be seeing their work in Retraction Watch.

      1. In the name of science can you point out countries or regions where Ivermectin was widely distributed but it didn’t resulted in a dramatic drop in cases and mortality or even just like with the vaccine the case count actually increased?

  8. “Wonder what’s happened since then?”

    Correlation happened.

    Take ivermectin if you want. Just don’t confuse its indiscriminate uptake over the natural course of the most recent COVID surge in Indonesia (or anywhere else for that matter) with science.

  9. The pour on product for cattle works too. Just apply like sunscreen. 2 ml/100lbs body weight once weekly or monthly as prophylaxis. If you experience covid symptoms, triple the dose daily until you’ve recovered (usually just one or two days).
    Don’t forget daily vitamins C and D, and zinc.
    It works. I haven’t heard of anyone hospitalized that’s taken ivermectin.

  10. UnMe I will say the following to you:

    There are many countries in the world that use home base treatment kits which INCLUDE IVERMECTIN, I am sure you can find out who they are by doing some research, (India, Bangladesh, Mexico, Dominican Republic to name a few). Go to our world in data select these countries and say select USA, UK, Israel and Canada. Toggle between new cases and percent vaccinated and explain to everyone else here WTF is going on, you intellectual superiority will no doubt be able to explain this away in short order.

    In the countries that do use it for some reason they are having success, don’t come up with the correlation is not causation theory!

    Ivermectin is safe regardless of what the FDA / CDC says or Merck would not have given away billions of doses to other parts of the world for free.

    Western Public Health Agencies for some reason are against trying this drug, are they afraid to see the results.

    The WHO recently praised UTTAR PRADESH in INDIA for the amazing work the did in massively reducing there C19 cases and deaths from a high of approximately 34,000 new cases per day in late April early May 2021 to where they are now (I won’t give you this number you can look it up yourself). But in there praise not one word of how they did it. If the WHO was all in on saving the world from this dreadful PANDEMIC you would think they would shout this great info from the roof tops!

    But they along with other countries DO NOT recommend its use and here is the KICKER, “OUTSIDE OF CLINICAL TRAILS. They are not saying it does not work, just need more TRIALS???

    I live in Ontario, Canada look at PUBLIC HEALTH ONTARIO treatment guidelines here are the links one of them is outdated and the other is the new one, read them over!

    https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/sciencebrief/clinical-practice-guideline-summary-recommended-drugs-and-biologics-in-adult-patients-with-covid-19-version-2-0/

    https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/sciencebrief/clinical-practice-guideline-summary-recommended-drugs-and-biologics-in-adult-patients-with-covid-19-2/

    Bottom line is IVERMECTIN will never be approved for off label use in the treatment for C19 in lets say G7 countries.

    You may ask yourself why is that, but the answer is obvious to most people that have followed its success in the world and to the TREMENDOUS people here on SDA.

    To start using this drug now, and for the people of these countries to see how successful it is would start a REVOLT of a massive scale. Why is that you asked because then people would also learn how long it has been used in other countries around the world and WOULD DEMAND ANSWERS (it wouldn’t be pretty to put it mildly!

    Thanks

  11. UnMe just another quick link for you, read it over and get back to all of us here at SDA with your thoughts.

    I believe this is in for PER-REVIEW, but I could be mistaken, take a look at the names on the top, not sure if they are top SCIENTISTS but I am sure you will let us all here know.

    Somewhere in there it says 56% reduction in mortality, but you can correct me if I’m wrong. Which I am sure you will.

    May be check the math for these people to, just can’t remember if it is you or AllenS who are the GENIUS’S!!

    Thanks

    https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ofid/ofab358/6316214

    1. @Dougie – FYI, the authors of the July 2021 paper that you cited issued a correction just last month. It reads, in whole:

      “On July 6, 2021, Open Forum Infectious Diseases published the article “Meta-analysis of Randomized Trials of Ivermectin to Treat SARS-CoV-2 Infection” by Hill, et al. Subsequently, we and the authors have learned that one of the studies on which this analysis was based has been withdrawn due to fraudulent data. The authors will be submitting a revised version excluding this study, and the currently posted paper will be retracted.”

      1. Yep. Lots of fraudulent data floating about. In your eyes, that’s a reason to trust it.
        The fact is, the correlation between ivermectin use and reduced covid activity is at least as strong, if not stronger than the correlation between vaccine use and reduced activity.
        Unless of course, you think that Jap, African, Brazilian, Israeli and Indian data are no good, you racist swine.
        Now is the time for you to bring out yet more fraudulent data to “fact-check” me.

        1. The vaccine correlation started strong but it seems obvious its efficacy is waning. Ivermectin on the other hand, was dead out the gate, but has mysteriously come alive, propped up by the countries that can’t afford the vaccines. An interesting development. If it turns out that Ivermectin works, then I fear for the next pandemic because crying wolf is never a good strategy for gaining trust.

      2. Good morning Ted, thanks for the update. I guess we will have to wait and see.

        Funny thing the WHO recommends against the use of REMDESIVIR, but it is still in the treatment options here in Ontario.

        Who knows what WTF is going on.

        One would think that in the situation we are in now health care would try anything to help alleviate the load on our health care system, especially something as cheap as this drug.

        To completely forbid its use is immoral at this point.

        But some one please tell me why these other countries are using it if does not work, simple question that has a very simple answer.

        If we don’t try it we will never know, what if we offered it to everyone in my province as a treatment option and either they take it or they don’t.

        Boom we have our own clinical trial.

        In UTTAR PRADESH in INDIA the three protocols they used were TEST, TREAT and TRACE I wonder what was in those HOME TREATMENT KITS.

        Our own HEALTH MINISTER for CANADA stated that TAKING VITAMIN D was a conspiracy theory??

        What a joke.

        Thanks

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