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Has it ever occurred to those doing the toppling that they themselves have no right to exist here? After all, if their ancestors were all racists, as the lefties want to have everyone believe, why are their descendants still around?
What are they doing to atone for the sins of their forebears?
Raging and toppling.
I was thinking in terms of something like self-immolation.
And the police just stand there and let it happen.
But God help you if you go to an anti lockdown/freedom march.
… or preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ
Yep, it was just standing there, and then it toppled.
Passive voice.
I notice the media have backed off of the ‘mass graves’ lie.
When the bought and paid for Canadian media hide the good that the schools did how is that any different from when they hid the bad stuff that the schools did?
Because it doesn’t fit woke narrative.
‘…the good the schools did…’
Over 5000 kids went to those schools and died there. Sort of negates any ‘good’, don’t you think?
What proportion of the total number of people who attended those schools actually died there? Over what period of time did those deaths occur? How does that compare with the rest of the population?
There’s nothing like quoting statistics out of context, is there?
For context:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/county-finds-it-overcounted-covid-19-deaths-by-25percent-says-some-deaths-clearly-not-caused-by-covid/ar-AAKNju2
I’m just curious how many Native kids were killed by other Native kids? Savages.
Ah so if it’s a small enough percentage then it’s ok?
If your kid was taken against your will by the RCMP never to be seen again you be singing a diff tune.
Quoting statistics.. lol.. gimme a fkn break.
Like I said earlier, context is important. What were the circumstances of those deaths? Did they happen all at once or over several decades?
Actually, in the latter part of the 19th century, many, many white kids all over the British Empire were whisked off to boarding school, essentially by the state (think of some of the kids of widowed, less well-to-do soldiers of the Empire). Many were abused and many died of illnesses or neglect.
As of 1900, the West suffered a child moratlity rate of around 20% in the under-5 age-group. It is interesting to compare those numbers with infant mortality rates in the aboriginal population prior to the arrival of white settlers. For instance between 0 AD and 1700, global population grew at just 0.04% per year, and most of that was between 1500 and 1700. Why, when the average ‘litter’ even among white Europeans was 5-6 babies? At that rate, population triples every few years? The average age of a first pregnancy was around 18-19. So child mortality was at epic proportions, across the world. Allegedly, the aboriginal population was flatlined as well, before Europeans arrived, so that means epic mortality (in brutal genocidal conflicts or childe deaths as well, or maybe no sex more than 2-3 times per year? Seems doubtful. (birth control wasn’t around yet).
Only since about 1950 has the juvenile mortality rate in the West dropped below about 5%. Canada finally beats the US as of about 1952! Prior to that time, Canada exceeded the US.
If 6,000 aboriginal kids died in boarding schools, how many died outside boarding schools? Did the boarding schools experience statistically significantly higher child mortality than the general aboriginal population? Than the general non-aboriginal population? Were the schools increasing aboriginal life expectancy? Or decreasing it? How about the life expectancy of surviving aboriginal students into adulthood as compared between school survivors, and those who did not attend schools? Better or worse?
See, when lefties say “trust the science, stupid”, well, then, we start to do science, no? We skip the feelz, and dig far and wide into the crime scene.
Or we can do stuff on feelz, and hope it all works out in the end, I guess? In which case my feelz are that a woman has a vagina and a man has a penis. My feelz are that the climate is fine. My feelz are that women and black folk in the West are doing just fine.
What’s that? You say you have data, and science? Great! Now we are getting somewhere! Now we know what to do next, what to prevent, what to encourage or require. See? That was once upon a time how smart people did public policy. Back in the days before the feelz-mongers got hold of every fracking thing under the sun.
As the West will learn as it slides into irrelevance and decay in the tech and information age, there is no substitute for hard data, and robust number crunching, if you want to remain prosperous, sovereign and free.
Do you have kids that fall under the term priviledged , Joe ?
If so , what sacrifices would you like them to make ?
Any limits come to mind ? Because the brakes won’t be applied by government Joe.
I don’t know about you, but my kids earned their way in life.
And fk those that think they owe the world for taking responsibility for their life – fk them all.
Both my girls twenty or so years ago , asked me why native kids passing by on the bus gave them the finger.
And now both of them spend too much thought on being “guilty” for being able to reason.
It’s sad.
The far left is evil, and useless to anyone inclined to independent thought, and ambition.
You win for dumbest comment. When’s the last time you heard of a child dying from neglect and/or abuse while at a boarding school.
You dickheads mix in your politics with everything.
It’s not that fkn hard not to kill a child under your care. But go on, do some more mental gymnastics to somehow make it about you and how someone yelled at your kids 20 years ago. Should let that go, its poisoned your brain.
You dickheads mix in your politics with everything.
And you don’t?
What people fail to realise is that this issue is far more complicated and complex than what is generally thought. It is easier to cry “racism!” than it is to critically look at the issue in its entirety and come to a conclusion, even if that conclusion upsets the gravy train.
There probably were people who despised Aboriginals for their race and culture and thought they could use some “whitening up”. There were also people who, though misguided at worst, thought that plunging members of a Stone Age culture into a modern age without an adjustment period would do some good. There are also people who saw neglected children and could not stand that morally.
This was also in an era when child mortality rates were high and child rearing tactics ranged from kind to indifferent to abusive. Yes, the latter is appalling, as it was across the board.
This issue also obscures the other dreadful things that were allowed in ages past. How many kids from the British Isles were dumped in Canada as cheap labour, not adopted children as they were promised? Doesn’t THAT deserve some traction?
That this “discovery” coincides with the UN’s deliberate intrusion into Canadian politics can’t be pure chance:
https://www.hilltimes.com/2021/05/31/canada-late-in-the-game-passing-undrip-law-says-lametti-urging-quick-passage-in-senate/299640
Yes, unmarked mass grave of British Hime Children discovered in Etobicoke several years ago. Didn’t elicit the howls of ‘genocide’ heard recently. Lack of political mileage?
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/02/27/dozens-of-british-home-children-lie-forgotten-in-etobicoke-cemetery.html
Not “ethnic” enough.
Even dead, these children are useful only as pawns for losers and bullies who enjoy the Big Government’s largesse in making them the top dogs.
“‘…the good the schools did…’
Over 5000 kids went to those schools and died there. Sort of negates any ‘good’, don’t you think?”
As opposed to the other 150,000 who didn’t die?
(math is hard, I know…)
The only thing the police are investigating is whether the thugs were wearing masks.
Torn down by people who have built nothing, accomplished nothing, contributed nothing.
The some total of their lives is criticizing the work and contribution of others.
built nothing, accomplished nothing, contributed nothing
Don’t you know that makes them unbiased and impartial?
Exactly, most will have a flat spot on the top of their head where hands patted it because they could breathe.
Well said BSmith….very well put.
Encompassing EVERY Non STEM University student, 99% of all Human resources peoplekind, BLM, Antifa, Eco-Tards & Pretty much every politician in this country (w/few exceptions)…PLUS anyone belonging to a Public Service Union.
Current or soon to be, Trough feeding GARBAGE – the lot.
Yes, well said.
However, it gives these morons too much credit to say that they “criticize” the accomplishments of others. Criticism implies that they can think critically. It may be more accurate to say that they blindly hate the capable others.
Nihilists who advocate anarchy.
The left’s hallmark: destroying what is good and fine about the West because it cannot measure up itself.
When the statue tipping was big a year ago I suggested to a Woke sympathizer that when the pushback started she would know because all that “Artwork” our betters spent our money on and placed at every intersection would be turned into scrap metal.
Of course that would be an atrocity but it was not clear why.
A mob including an American Indiam Movement leader tore down a statue of Christopher Columbus at the MN State Capitol June 10, 2020. Last year.
They pulled it down right in front of a Minnesota State Highway Patrol CAPTAIN after he warned them not to do it. No one was arrested, detained, or even inconvenienced. The video made the newscasts. People were outraged. there was over $150,000 in damages.
https://www.fox9.com/news/protest-organizer-charged-in-toppling-of-christopher-columbus-statue-at-minnesota-state-capitol
It took the politically correct, toothless, worthless Walz administration two months to charge ONE Person. The same idiotic people that let 100 blocks of Minneapolis be looted, trashed, and burnt down a billion dollars in damages over four (4!) days and nights of riots and anarchy in the “George Floyd riots” before they finally called in enough National Guard. They finally acted because Trump was going to send in the Army. The four days of riots and governmental feckless incompetence was broadcast 24/7 on all 4 local TV stations from Wednesday through Sunday Midnight.
They charged Michael Forcia with a Felony. No one else was charged. None of the dozen or so others pulling the ropes or pushing it over. He got 100 hours of community service. No felony record. No financial restitution. $150,000.00 in damges that the Taxpaying Public will have to eat along with a side order of Steaming Sh**.
https://www.ramseycounty.us/sites/default/files/County%20Attorney/Forcia%20Suspended%20Prosecution%20Agreement%2012.7.20.pdf
Ryerson was instrumental in setting up free education for all children in Upper Canada, claiming that it was a Christian duty to help them.
He was not actually stupid, and opposed educating girls beyond the elementary level, considering it wasted on women whose proper place was as wives and mothers, and liable mostly to give them notions above their proper place.
Was universal education supposed to help the poor children, white and red? Because the more I see of its effects, the more convinced I become that all “education” did was make the scum of Upper Canada, white, red, and dogscat-coloured, even more ungovernable than they absolutely had to be.
If Ryerson had really wanted to help the poor children, he might have recommended neutering and spaying them, rendering them docile and unable to breed another generation of shiftless morons like themselves.
Ryerson lived on a reserve as a Methodist minister. He was an advocate for Indians and was adopted by a tribe. He had great interest in teaching farming methods so Indians could be self sufficient. And is credited for creation of the education system in Ontario. But why let facts get in the way of a good riot by leftists and modern whiny Indian activists. AND WHERE THE HELL WERE THE DIVERSE POLICE!!
Hey Juthtin! They’re coming for your papa. Sooner or later. Chretien too, I’ll bet. Wasn’t he Minister of Indian Affairs way back when?
Essentially, eventually they’re coming for all of us.
At every event some dickhead politician attends they announce they’re on the land of such and such. This verbal diarrhea isn’t going to placate these people.
The Grievance Indians that is.
Whitey and POC students don’t realize they’re just useful idiots. Eventually they’ll be asked, “Why are you still here?”
Mayor Jello of diverse Toronto was asked about the toppling this morning. He explained that the city is studying how to replace the street names of white racist bastards. He didn’t condemn the act and stated the protest was peaceful.
He gets to go first.
Given the type of peopIe Ryerson churns out today……I bet the oId man wouId be gIad to have nothing to do with what his namesake has become; or the peopIe who “Iearn” there.
My thoughts exactly. When I last visited Ryerson most the the female students wore hijabs, I saw face veils and anti Jewish propaganda was everywhere.
About three years ago we were hiring co-op students out of U of T Mississauga. The few times I had to go to the campus in person I realized that in an hour or so of wandering around from office to office I was the only white person I’d seen.
Ryerson is a polytech. Not a University. It has always been full of those who could niether secure a job at a real university or get accepted into one. It “teaches” journalism FFS. Like its a real subject? There is nothing worthy about the place and one should never hire any grad. This is what you get. A whiny self absorbed bitching grievance machine.
German Polytechs are highly respected. But then they actually are places of education.
Ryerson is a fully accredited university, has been for decades. I recall in university my roommate was quite chuffed that the same year his Aerospace Engineering program was accredited by the PEO, U of T lost theirs for not teaching enough specialized courses – making his Rye High eng degree worth more than a U of T grad’s.
UTIAS lost its accreditation? Huh?
I noticed the courage of their convictions did not extend to actually being within the range of the camera lens. It would have been interesting to see how many engineering students on the end of the rope it took.
They used a vehicle.
You can hear the engine reving in the background.
Other fun fact is that if even if it was engineering students they would have to come from some other campus. Ryerson High doesn’t teach anyone how to be an engineer.
Hey Farmerboy did you lose a heifer?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/statue-of-egerton-ryerson-brought-down-1.6055676
I really can’t imagine how to answer that query when looking at the photo without being 6 ways to Sunday guilty of Lord knows how many regulations and codes. The person in the photo needs a sickle to complete the look. The only consolation is we don’t have a front view
I thought the media said that Antifa doesn’t exist. Blackie’s CBC is proudly showing a clip by “Antifa Command” on the toppling. Strange how the Proud Boys was listed as a terrorist organization by Blackie, even though they never committed an act of violence. But Antifa can topple statues in an act of violence. Meanwhile, the big story at Blackie’s CBC this morning, are the new efforts to teach school children how colonial “settlers” destroyed the Indian paradise of Turtle Island.
The student has OVERTHROWN the teacher would be a more accurte headline.
This morning Pravda stated that the University would need to be renamed. How about George Floyd U?
My daughter did a one-year Masters at Ryerson (but we shouldn’t call it a Masters now, should we?)
Young adults behaving as raging children having a temper tantrum and venting their frustrations on the rest of us. They need a good spanking, preferably with a cattle prod, and then blacklisting from any educational institution for life (or until they make reparations for their vandalism).
Before rant is engaged stop and consider if this so-called school and the product it’s been producing isn’t deserving of some kind of karma?
I suggest this is one of those times where it’s a contest of wills between the progressive mob and the McDonald-Cartier corridor elite, and I’ll choose not to pick a side.
The elites wanted to demonstrate how hip they where and set about to gain favour with the progressive mob. During the whole enterprise they never suspected the mob would someday turn on them.
Before anyone wants me drawn and quartered, can we look at history and that specifically Canada was created by an act of Westminster to allow the nabobs that where kicked out of the newly formed republic, a place where it would be business as usual.
Or do I have to remind anyone that cares to listen about wanting a new country.
Our education system has produced generations of utterly ignorant, pampered assholes who don’t have a freaking clue about the reality of the world outside of this country.
#HelpAllLeftardsEscapeCanada
CO, You wrote country, but I think you meant county.
If ‘colonist’ or ‘settler mentality’ is a problem why isn’t stopping mass immigration the solution ? What’s to prevent a mob from vandalizing the rest of this university to remove Ryerson’s name from all books and stationery including the highly coveted degree from what is now known as Shit Hole U. ?
What happens when Canada is majority East Indian, Caribbean and Arab? Will they be as supportive of aboriginal rights? How will a police force consisting of majority Arab-, Caribbean- and Pakistani-born officers deal with aboriginal land claims, blockades, and protests?
You know the answer to that.
They will violently crush them like bugs.
They didn’t go far enough. Shouldn’t they burn Ryerson to the ground to show how woke they are?
Mao’s Red Guards in action.
I was thinking the same thing. Waiting for the POL POT hordes to split off and start murdering anyone with teacher, business, snivel serpent designation, or anyone over the age of 40. History repeats. Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Trotskyites. Trotsky died in Mehico. Lucky guy. At least he didn’t freeze in the Russian gulags.
The Erie tribe are not available for comment (hint; they were wiped out 100 or so years before the dreaded white man showed up to despoil paradise
But I do agree we should cancel Canada Day. And then re-rename it Dominion Day, what it was always called before the lefties got their hands on it and replaced it with a bland and fruity sounding euphemism.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We need to close 90% of these “”institutes of “higher” learning””
Full of parasites, teaching parasites. Producing nothing of worth to society.
You know the old truism.
” Those that can, do. ”
” Those that can’t, teach . “
Many years ago, some wag added: “Those who can’t teach, administrate.”
The name Pierre Elliot Trudeau should be wiped entirely from our society for his racist attempts to end most Aboriginal Rights with his 1969 White Paper.
Our historical revisionists must be working overtime to keep that ‘anti-native’ ploy from reaching young leftarded ears. I bet it isn’t taught to our kids in any classroom, or if it is, totally revised to the advantage of the establishment narrative.
Just imagine how triggered these snowflakes would be when they learned the Alberta natives’ counter to the white Trudeau’s White Paper was called the RED Paper.
Well honestly on this issue. I agree with what Trudeau, although I hate the basstard, tried to do for Indians.
But they would not have it.
http://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/the_white_paper_1969/#:~:text=In%201969%2C%20Prime%20Minister%20Pierre%20Trudeau%20and%20his,new%20era%20of%20Indigenous%20political%20organizing%20in%20Canada.
Stop that watcher.
There is no place for facts nor historical accuracy today.
Pierre the Idiot must be expunged.
Why he was so evil even his offspring must be tracked down and eliminated..
I keep thinking,our progressive comrades are not going to enjoy these “new rules”.
For they insist these are great standards and ethics,well OK,freed of the restraints of evidence,logic or basic common sense,..I feelz,all Liberals are Evil..Proceed.
Some questions.
Were the children taken by force from their families? If yes, it is a problem for those that are responsible, the government of Canada, the bureaucrats and all the machinery of the ruling class.
What is wrong exactly when people that die are buried?
Were they sick?
Were they denied care?
Are there any records why those children died?
Are nuns and other servants buried in the same place?
Were these children killed? No doubt the media cartel and the bottom feeders would really, really like that.
Was it often at the time that many children died wherever they were regardless of their ancestry?
Anybody asked for an opinion fall all over themselves to say how bad those other ones over there were.
Why is it that nobody is digging for the truth? Is it so the media cartel can go on and create mass hysteria that Canadian are nothing but racist killers?
Are there any of those that went to these schools and learned stuff and progressed in their lives to be prosperous and well.
Are there any of those? The media cartel does not want to know.
Nobody is asking what is it that is the perceived crime here by those that are looking for profit from it.
Of course then there is the thing that if you question, you will for certain be cancelled.
There are so many questions that need to be answered.
All negotiations to resolve First Nations grievances shall conclude when the representatives of the designated oppressed collective declare
“This will do …… for now.”
I believe they call them race hustlers in the US.
The name of the president of Ryerson is Mohammad.
I think they should be encouraged to trash, burn or explode the entire facility. Starting with all the humanities buildings, then the administration. They are within a short walk from Jane & Finch and they could borrow the needed resources from the locals plus get hands on training to do it.
None of this happened under Harper. JT’s the limpest PM in our Confederation’s history.
We are going to see more and more of this, as canada transitions into a POST NATIONAL STATE…
This is Globalism, This is Multiculturalism, this is what Canadians voted for , this is what they want as indicated by their votes.
Conservatives and Liberals are both corrupt. Canada’s Institutions and design is not any form of a Democracy. It has always been a Colony and managed like a Colony.
First a Colony of Great Britain. Then we became a Colony of Ottawa.
Ottawa would not allow a true Democratic Federation to develop since 1867 and this is the result.
The whole thing called Canada is a mess, and the sooner it is broken up the better off the people will be.
Ottawa has increasingly centralized all power into the PMO and never loosened control and allowed any Freedom in the Provinces to develop on their own Democratically. The Indians should have years ago been integrated in society.
But over 100 years of Liberal judges and the massive Bureaucracy of the various governments in Canada would never allow this to happen.
The only way forward now is violent revolution by the various Multicult factions or a break up of the country into manageable sizes.
Given the debt burden and level of debt and coming bankruptcy of our 3 levels of government.
I suspect Canada will fade beneath the waves.
Useless bunch of posers,why we can’t even rely on them to plow the ruins and salt the fields.
I too love the “police response”.
Why are we still paying their wages?
For these minions have been on strike for years.
If you refuse to do the job,you swore to perform..except when it is politically correct for you to do so..You are done,your job no longer exists.
And thus policing died in Can Ahh Duh.
With a whimper,from entitled twits who thought themselves superior to everyone around them.
What kind of citizen,still cooperates with these “police”?
Cause if you are of that large minority,peaceable taxpaying citizen,they have long served us notice;”We don’t work for you”.
In fact even further,”We will attack you on command” Just following orders!..
We need a new country.
And to think , about a decade ago Toronto’s Finest were Ketteling and cracking heads at the G7 Summit.
Lots of Black Block pricks and ordinary folks rounded up and shoved in detention centres unfit for even dogs with no exceptions allowed.
WTF happened to our once Proud and Brave ?
Canada was founded by racists for the benefit of racists. Toppling statues is merely symbolic. Canada itself must cease to exist or it is only paying lip service to ending racism. Alberta should lead the way in showing how woke we are by separating from racist Canada. To be against separation is racist.
All I want to know, is how much is it going to cost to shut the Indians up this time.
Mindless, infantile behavior in a country led by a mindless, infantile PM and supported by a cornucopia of mindless, infantile institutions. Let it burn!
The first time some wet-behind-the-ears teenager calls me looking for money for University X, “Who the hell are you. I went to Rye High!”
I hope I’m not busy when they call.