Degrees aren’t quite as important as they used to be.
Davis, along with other executives, said that rather than waiting on economic immigrants, Canada needs to overhaul its approach to training to take advantage of the large pool of workers that were left stranded by the recession. There is a plethora of workers available for retraining, as the economic downturn has pushed long-term unemployment to record levels. Statistics Canada data released last week put the number of people who had been unemployed for longer than 27 weeks at 478,000, a 166.8 per cent increase from the start of the pandemic.
So, basically, going back to how it used to be before companies outsourced their vetting process to universities. Sounds good.
In this day and age, who wants a university grad unless it’s from a STEM field? You get an entitled, lazy, incompetent narcissist who is going to spend their days grumbling about Boomers and social justice. Who needs that when you can have a bright, hard working, passionate individual, humble and eager to learn?
University grads just don’t have the skills and capabilities they once had, (many are still barely literate, and are totally innumerate, since that sort of thing – grammar, proof, logic – is all so much white supremacy, you know?) now that so much of what goes on at university is ego-massage, and outrage studies.
Hiring a modern university grad is like hooking up with the hot hippie chick in HR – too high a risk of serious “complications” …
+++++/\Bdsm
hooking up with the hot hippie chick in HR
I’ve been working for the wrong outfits! At most places I was at, the women in that department who weren’t married were either frumpy lesbians or spun-out SJW types. All of them were die-hard apologists for our mutual employers.
I have been saying that we need an overhaul of the educational system for a while now.
We cannot fail a student no matter how poor his or her performance. We do not teach the basics of communication, math or critical thinking, the cornerstones of a well-rounded individual. We do not inspire or encourage excellence. Many parents don’t take a vested interest in ANY aspect of their kid’s education. We allow worthless degrees in “studies” that only generate themselves. We think that Third World imports will have the skills, babies and taxes we don’t have.
How could this have gone wrong?
We cannot fail a student no matter how poor his or her performance.
I found out all about that while teaching at Armpit College. I was expected to bend over backwards to help even the laziest or talentless to pass. Never mind that they were indeed shiftless or had no aptitude whatsoever for the course material.
And, if the worst happened, namely that they failed, guess who got blamed?
The thing is that few of them ever saw me in my office and, if I didn’t do their work for them, they went and filed a complaint about how mean I was to them.
That is why this global house arrest is a bit of a silver lining.
You can coast on being an idiot for so long. With this lockdown and job losses, no one cares about one’s “feelings”.
Close down everything and then be surprised at the outcome. Stupid people.
Unfortunately when you give people training and education the become more independent and may not vote “right”. Meaning for me. Keep them dumb. They’re easier to herd.
TM, why do you think pot shops and liquor stores were kept open during the faux pandemic. Stupid and stoned people rarely riot.
Ha Ha H VOWG you kill me……You and Ontario John and his rants on Blackie the Gay Pirate are the best….
What most employers want isn’t skilled or experienced employees, but cheap, disposable labour which can be fired at any time for any reason.
That is also true.
“Canada needs to overhaul its approach to training to take advantage of the large pool of workers that were left stranded by the recession.”
Well, look. No training was offered before because as soon as the training was completed, the trainee left to start his own business, where he could count on being paid what he was actually worth.
Finding and retaining good people is child’s play. Pay them what you know they’re worth.
If you can’t afford to do that, it’s time to do the hard work of cutting the fat from your current business model.
Ask coders to name their price.
Encourage the wokesters in the non-technical divisions to go mooch off the Chinese.
Tis A Calamity.
What will the Human Resources Halfwits do?
Companies may be experiencing a shortage of skilled workers,but for many it is self inflicted.
What self respecting tradesman wants to work for a company whose hiring practices and job interviews leave you doubting what business they believe themselves to be in?
The credentialism overwhelming society has always ignored the obvious,book learning,or computer simulations in todays speak,is only the beginning of the learning process.
Work is where you find out how little you know.
Why I vaguely remember knowing everything when I joined the paid workforce.
Obviously the product Universities are putting out is defective.
We in the trades have lived this for years,with an exponential decline in the quality of “engineers”,sorry if I offend any long time professionals,but the moderns are so bad,we avoid their help where ever possible.
Taking workarounds in the permitting processes to avoid the idiots.
Now the IT clowns are recognizing the decline?
Must be getting real bad,as this was the “Cutting Edge” of education..
How ever,fear not,this is Can Ahh Duh,where our expert educators will solve the problem ,of work force rejection of their product,by having their comrades in the government pass rule and regulation..Forcing us to hire University Graduates.
For obviously to reject a job applicant because they know too much that ain’t so,show no awareness of reality and are guaranteed to cost you time,money and customers..Thats a hate Crime!.
We in the trades have lived this for years,with an exponential decline in the quality of “engineers”,sorry if I offend any long time professionals,but the moderns are so bad,we avoid their help where ever possible.
As a P. Eng. registered for more than 40 years, I take no offence because I’ve seen that myself. What you describe is a result of universities hiring engineering professors straight out of their Ph. D. programs with no actual experience in the field, on a shop floor, or in a design office.
In fact, any industrial experience is considered detrimental to one’s career prospects in academe, which was one reason I never became a professor. Spending time in industry meant that I wasn’t committed to research. (No, you poncy over-educated dumbasses–I went into industry to put into practice what I learned as a student, plus I wanted to earn money to continue my studies.)
Oh, well, it’s their loss, not mine. Instead of being a professor, I made money with my investments. Who won?
BAD I worked all of my career in trades with P.Eng’s and have nothing but respect for the good ones. You sound like the old school good ones.
I always remember when I did my apprenticeship, the Head Machinist was an Old German. He would lose his shit if you did something and then told him, ah it’s good enough. In Old Martin’s world Good Enough Did Not Exist. He would stare at you over his glasses which always seemed ready to drop off the end of his nose, pick up your work and throw it in the scrap bin.
You knew you had a long ways to go to meet his standards.
Just like I have nothing but respect for the top hand Tradesmen, no matter what trade.
Good Engineer’s are invaluable and rare. Just like good tradesmen.
You sound like the old school good ones.
Thanks.
My parents were German-trained journeymen in their respective trades and I learned the value of good workmanship from them. The way you described the head machinist, you could have been talking about my father, who was a stickler about getting things right the first time, regardless of how much the item cost or how important it may or may not have been.
A lot of my bosses never understood that about me. (“Back of the envelope is good enough.” “Oh, yeah?”)
Also, many of my undergraduate professors either had industrial experience or worked closely with industry. We could tell the ones who knew what they were talking about.
I was one of those engineers who wasn’t afraid to get myself dirty because I knew I had to do it sometimes to get things done. Then again, I preferred to be a back-room boffin. It was the prissy ones who wanted to be managers who thought they were too good to put on a pair of coveralls.
interpretive dance programmes must be at least four years long.. and have options like womens studies. misogyny ,
It appears as though a high school degree isn’t worth much in California. Our potential teachers can’t pass the test. Err, black and Latino teachers can’t pass the test.
https://calmatters.org/commentary/2020/03/california-teaching-credential-requirements/
From the article;
Very soon afterwards, however, a Republican assemblyman from San Luis Obispo, Jordan Cunningham, introduced a bill that would virtually eliminate another test that potential teachers must take to be licensed, the California Basic Educational Skills Test or CBEST.
It is, as the name implies, just a test of general educational knowledge, roughly what a high school graduate should have learned. Unfortunately, however, initial CBEST passage rates by black and Latino applicants tend to be under 50%, leading to demands that it be jettisoned.
The CBEST controversy has raged for decades, including a federal lawsuit claiming that it is racially discriminatory that went to the full 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled in 2000 that the test is a legally valid method for screening credential applicants
CA kids are being taught by people who shouldn’t have been “graduated” from High School
Kenji, I think that some of us old folks have forgotten more than these kids are now taught.
Kenji, I think that some of us old folks have forgotten more than these kids are now taught.
I know I have.
At Armpit College, one of my last classes was filled with smart-alecks. I reminded them that I had forgotten more than they would ever know, partly because they were quite irritating at the time.
It turned out, they knew how to play the game at AC and how they could hornswoggle their way to graduation without ever having done much work.
Kenji, It should be mind boggling that it even had to get to the ninth circuit! Should be, but isn’t. A sad indication of where we’re truly at, in education and in society. At 72, I don’t have that many years left, perhaps that is a good thing, because a heap of the crap we all see these days might make many of us want to just blow our brains out, if we had a bunch more years to live.