Via Instapundit, a study that compared 100k people aged 18-34, 10k of whom were from San Francisco for smoking rates.
San Francisco’s ban on flavored tobacco product sales was associated with increased smoking among minor high school students relative to other school districts. While the policy applied to all tobacco products, its outcome was likely greater for youths who vaped than those who smoked due to higher rates of flavored tobacco use among those who vaped.5 This raises concerns that reducing access to flavored electronic nicotine delivery systems may motivate youths who would otherwise vape to substitute smoking. Indeed, analyses of how minimum legal sales ages for electronic nicotine delivery systems are associated with youth smoking also suggest such substitution.
Authoritarian virtue signaling trumps saving lives. They just can’t resist ignoring reality in favour of “perception” because after all, that’s what buys votes.
Once you accept that the government’s role is “to save lives”, you are truly lost.
Y W, freaking beyond lost. Only very, very stupid people think or believe that government should control every aspect of their lives.
Kids should be able to buy cigarettes. Heck, in France, in the 1970s, kids could buy wine, schools served wine with school lunches for 8 year olds.
That beats making it the fruit of the forbidden tree and then saying “just kidding!” when they turn 19. My daughter liked a bit of wine as an 8 year old. At 13 she isn’t interested.
Oh and what about that second hand (even third hand) smoke HYPOTHESES, which is assumed to be settled scientific wisdom, but was one of the first Marxist plans for population control. The anti-smoking brainwashing my children received in school was intense! Next came globull warming and now covid, critical race stuff and BLM, anti-math, individual competence etc.
All the war babies and we early baby boomers, who were completely surrounded by smoking adults and permitted to smoke indoors in homes, bars, stores, universities, workplaces, well … we are actually rather FINE, thank you! That is the long-term study. Hypothosis FAIL.
Aging normally and living longer, and not all of us have quit! Vaping actually makes me cough. Since this flavour ban is not working for the kids, can you give me back my adult menthol cigarettes? Some younger (hey boomer) people would like us to die off sooner, but we are taking our time.
Drinking good wine is a lovely pleasure too. Taxed to the hilt and considered yet another sin by do-gooders/regulators, paid for in spades by our over-taxed populace.
L: +++
I remember cigarette vending machines in Tim Horton’s. I think booze vending machines should be a thing. I remember people water-skiing with a girl on their shoulder and a bottle of booze in one hand. I remember crazy bikers riding their bikes of cliffs into lakes. I remember drive-ins with 200 stoned and drunk kids all trying to leave at once at 2am. The streets were not littered with corpses. This insane bubble-wrapped society is no fun at all.
Some people just have to put something round in their mouth.
People like Winston Churchill, who also drank like a fish, while non-smokers like Adolph Hitler lift their pinky’s to sip tea.
+++ Y W
Oh, so sorry that you do not like wieners or sausages.
Idiots running things.
Thanks to someone on here, Lance I think, I quit smoking using electronic devices.
Vaping is not nearly as harmful as smoking.
It’s very easy to wean yourself off of nicotine using these devices – 12 to18 months is average for the five members of my family that have quit using these devices.
I wanted to quit smoking, tried many times, many methods nothing worked -then got diagnosed with COPD then on to that medication I go and oh btw, it’s a mist/vaporizer delivery system. PS I am still on the COPD medicine – so I’m still vaping in a way.
IDD, those of us with some will power just quit shit that is harmful, if we even partake in the first place!!!
Keep in mind their next smart idea is to mandate reduced amounts of nicotine in cigarettes. Reduce the amount of nicotine in cigarettes and nicotine addicts are now going to have to start smoking more to get their nicotine fix. Since it’s not the nicotine but the by-products of tobacco combustion that cause problems, expect to see a corresponding rise in cases of such things as bronchitis, emphysema, and lung cancer. If they had a lick of sense, the FDA would mandate increasing the amount of nicotine in cigarettes so nicotine addicts could get their fix by smoking fewer cigarettes. It’s enough to make you suspect that the FDA is secretly run by the tobacco companies.
Nicotine also mimics a neuro transmitter. As such, it has a whole bunch of possible uses treating depression, dementia, senility, a myriad of mental disorders. But, like thalidomide, “nicotine” is just a dirty word. As such, no research, no studies, nothing.
It is almost like, they actually want us dead. Or something. Nah, couldn’t ne. Right?
Yes … but think of all the lives San Francisco saved when they BANNED soda!?
https://reason.com/2015/07/28/san-francisco-sued-over-unconstitutional/
It’s like increases in state power lead to more deaths. Hooda thunk it?
Ban this next, you fucking assholes!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1WEe3zv9Y4
We are a society that has embraced cowardice, and that’s not even the worst of it.
Karenocracy. For the children! Where a hint of bigotry is worse than a ton of corruption. And we have the unmitigated gall to look down on India, where little girls work jobs that our grown men are afraid to do.