74 Replies to “Margin Of Fraud”

  1. America’s Founding Fathers would have already been shooting for the past month, and we should have been too.
    What good is the 2nd Amendment if nobody has the courage to use it now that it’s really needed?

    1. What are you proposing? Shooting random democrats? And if you go after the leaders you’d just be putting the secret service in harm’s way.

  2. Heh, now it’s like “lets all be civil about this” after 4 years of corruption and attacks on Trump by the swamp.

    Yea, ok “if you say so”………..

    1. What good is coming out of this is it exposed how broad and varied this corruption was and how many areas of the media was in collusion with it.
      Now that the personal attacks against President Trump is harmless, he can focus on his enemies and the enemies of the US as now they are out in the open. Most of them.
      The mainstream media is more a blessing right now as they have convinced President Trumps hidden enemies that could have caused problems behind the scenes.
      As you are currently seeing, President Trump is moving forward on many of his changes and when it is confirmed he is President, start on the corruption. Including the FBI and any other agencies not doing their jobs.

  4. That was a great article. Please share with all your squish friends who think the election was perfectly legit. And to those of you who think we should just throw a temper tantrum and sit out the senate run-off in Georgia, from the piece:

    “ It is hugely important, and I believe that Lin Wood and others who seem to be advising Republicans not to vote are advising a destructive course of action. (Is Lin Wood even on the side of the GOP? For all his very public stomping for Trump, some people have questioned that.)

    I think that maintaining Republican control of the Senate is an essential stopgap to the triumph of the radical Left agenda that put up Joe Biden as its moderate-looking puppet who was in fact a sort of Trojan Horse for a program that is anything but moderate. ”

    1. If it is coming from the mainstream media, it is fake news.
      One of the newspapers tried publishing that President Trump was bad mouthing the military veterans from one of their fake official sources.

      1. Jojo..

        The thing of it is, it’s not just AMERICAN MSM, it’s the entire Western Hemisphere and others that are ALL 100% FAKE news….100% 0f the time…and for the most, fully supported in their daily BS asertations by whatever brand of LEFTIST is in control of said country.

        W/various Truth telling exceptions…In Canada TO SUN, Rebel, Lawton, Lilley etc. National Exceptions for POLAND, Hungary and the Czeh Rep.

      2. That was such an obviously phony story. The New York Times 7s no longer a trustworthy source for news. As doon ax you start accepting anonymous sources as legit, you open the door to endless fabrication.

    2. Without Trump, the Republicans will return to their preferred policy positions of “globalists and corporations first; sell America out to the highest bidder; to hell with actual conservatives.” In that respect, it really won’t matter very much if they or the Dems control the Senate. The destination is the same; only the speed at which America gets there will differ.

      I think the beltway Republicans have already CHOSEN to lose the Senate. If they end up in a 49-51 posture, it’s beautiful for them. They return to opposition status, which is where they are truly happiest; they have responsibility for nothing, can sell their votes to the Dems to provide “bipartisan” support for policies, beg conservatives for donations for years, and also! BLAME TRUMP FOR THEIR POSITION, which they will do in spades. The insufferable donation appeals write themselves.

      Battered conservative syndrome. We Canadians should be all too familiar with it.

  5. The best way to overcome the millenial snowflake vote is by importing more freedom-seeking immigrants do the tech jobs that the millenials are too lazy to do and who are woefully unqualified for. As well, immigrants are natural conservatives. By importing more of them, and by telling them how great free market economics are, they will realize that the liberals are the real racists.

    This is the kind of electoral calculus that will help conservatives in the long run. If we could increase immigration by a factor of 10, conservatives would become the permanent natural governing party.

  6. “immigrants are natural conservatives.”

    Yes they are, right up until many figure out there’s more in it for them personally by playing the Lefts victim cards and getting stuff for free.

        1. I think he meant Eastern Europeans are natural conservatives. Which is true. Also the build in BS detector makes us glitch when exposed to political correctness.

    2. Educated ones yes but the lumpen illiterate who are used to living in corrupt countries and expect handouts for support, no.

      It’s the same as the attitude to the police. Immigrants bring their attitudes with them. If you are used to police corruption, you expect it.

    4. Whites use more welfare than immigrants, you lazy Millenial Snowflake.

      You must be a liberal, because liberals are known to be the real racists.

  7. The pandemic is what the entirety of the election corruption, and what will be the subjugation of humanity, is based on.

    So maybe rather than continue to validate said pandemic by supporting the Left narrative on it, we should fight back and stand up for our rights by ignoring shutdowns lockdowns and masks.

    The same media and swamp who conducted and covered the US election are the same people running the Covid narrative, which was the foundation for the biggest most blatant coup in history.

    No plandemic and Trump wins.

    If you endorse and support their narrative you are weaving the rope you will be hung with.

  8. Why do you expect the 82 million people that voted for Biden to give any credibility to the evidence free conspiracy theories invented by Trump?

    Also claiming that all 73 million of Trump voters buy into the conspiracies is a stretch. I would be surprised if half that number actually believe it and that number will decline over time as people come to their senses. It may still be a large number but we are talking about a minority. If the majority of people feel the election was free and fair then why should their opinion be ignored because a minority can’t accept that their candidate lost and cling to conspiracy theories instead of accepting reality?

    Trump lost. There is no evidence of widespread fraud.
    Get over yourselves.

    1. Oh sure, and Trump colluded with Vladdy to steal the 2016 election. Thanks for setting the record straight Adam Schiff – er, TimG I mean!

    2. Don’t worry, if its only 40% who believe the fraud they may never vote again because they know its rigged.
      That gives Lefty-scum what they really want: The One Party rule.
      Welcome to a violent Dystopia you won’t be able to get over.

    3. Tim dusts off “iota” after everyone has seen the 20 binder filled table of sworn affidavits from just one state and seen the videos and listened to the testimony and knows about the statistical impossibilities, dead people, heat maps, missing trailers, missing USBs, shredded ballots, fake ballots, boarded up windows, ejected poll watchers, stopped counts, Hugo Chavez machines, Dominion owners staff and offices vanishing , sueing to wipe tabulators and data, more votes than voters, getting more votes then Hillary and Obama but has barely 1000 people for any online activity and 12 in person, while Trump gets millions to watch online and 10s of thousand in person, big breath , suitcases, broken water pipes,”glitches” switches, deletions, “100 percent for”s, refeeding the same ballots, “found” ballots, mail ballots, hearing room gasps, physical threats, German servers, 400 million bucks to Dominion 4 weeks before the election and tons more.

      Why not allow forensic accounting of the results where people can look at the actual ballots and not just count the tabulators data?
      That will prove you’re right.
      Why not allow it?

      1. 9/11 truthers windged about how jet fuel can’t melt steel or how buildings can’t collapse straight down unless it was a controlled demolition. They demanded that others prove that their claims were face and when people did they simply ignored the counter arguments and kept on repeating their nonsensical claims.

        These election fraud claimants are this decade’s 9/11 truthers. Just as irrational and just as impossible to convince people because it is not about facts or evidence. It is just a religion.

        As for the machines: In the Georgia system people enter their choices on a touch screen, print off a paper ballot which is then scanned. Every in person voter has a chance to review their paper ballot which is then saved. Georgia did an audit which proved the machines counted the ballots correctly. The suggestion that the machines miscounted the ballots is equivalent to the “jet fuel can’t melt steel” argument. i.e. it is nonsense.

        1. The machines did not miscount the ballots. The machine did exactly what it was programmed to do. It counted the ballots, to make sure the ballot number matched the input, then then it changed the votes from Trump to Biden. And then when it became obvious to the programmers outside the country that not enough Bien were coming in, they stopped counting in every major city where the scam was perpetrated and brought in hundreds of thousands of extra ballots for Biden to be run through and added to the piles when no one was around to check on them. There was no miscounting at all. It came off exactly as planned.

          1. “It counted the ballots, to make sure the ballot number matched the input, then then it changed the votes from Trump to Biden”

            WTF? Are completely insane? That statement is complete and total nonsense from a logic perspective.

            Simple fact: hand count of 5 million ballots with no machines involved produced the exact same result as two counts of the same ballots with machines. This fact means that any court case alleging problems with machines will be laughed out of court because there is no argument or evidence that could possibly negate the evidence provided by a complete hand count of ballots.

            The fact that you people refuse to accept the results of a clear an unambiguous audit shows why further efforts to prove the integrity of the system are waste of time since you losers will refuse to believe anything that does not support what you want to believe. So pathetic.

    4. My lord, Timmy. How can someone as stupid, mendacious and utterly ignorant like you even use a computer? Biden lost, Trump won. The evidence is there for anyone with half a brain to see. I guess you don’t even have half a brain, do you? Two brain cells, maybe? Get lost you f*cking troll.

    6. 82 million did not vote for him. Biden won significantly less jurisidictions (counties?) than Obomber and yet got significantly more votes? Come on.

      1. No, TimG has a point. It comes back to the ingrained racism of the Democrats. If you truly believe that Biden won, then that means that you agree that Democrats prefer a stumbling, mumbling, gaffe making white man to a younger, vibrant black man. The crowds drawn by each don’t show this – Obama almost had Trump’s rock star like magnetism, while Biden has trouble drawing flies.

        Only deep and systemic racism on the part of inner-city Democrat voters can explain Biden winning. Look at the counties won by Biden, it shows that black voters overwhelmingly prefer Biden (though, surprisingly, Biden’s percentage of the minority votes was lower).

        Thank you, TimG, for showing us all how racist you know the Democrat party to be.

    7. 82 million voted for Biden? Yes, from all over the world via the back door. Your delusion of being on the ethical side of *any* argument brings bright laughter to my day. Remember, we’ve always been at war with Eastasia, right?

    8. Widespread isn’t the claim. There is a lot of evidence of material, targeted “surgical” fraud in key locations, large enough to seing the Electoral College.

      Then there is a TON of data analytics work revealing Biden is the luckiest human being of all time. Won the equivalent of three grand slam lotteries, back to back.

      You, of course, can equally provide evidence that the election was free and fair. In particular:

      Demonstrate there was functioning chain of custody, ID and signature level security,

      Demonstrate full code and activity logs going bavk unaltered to before the election,

      Demonstrate that GOP poll watchers were entitled to onserve and confirm, each and every ballot, as required by law,

      I could go on, but we’ll start there.

      And don’t give us the whole “dismissed in court” argument, unless you have (a) read the full transcripts, and (b) understand in almost all cases what the courts’ central argument has been, and why it is likely to be well-chllenged in the SCotUS.

    9. 82 million people did not vote for Biden. Complete garbage. I believe the election results will be challenged in the Supreme Court.

    10. tim, they just ran the same amount of ballots through sequestered dominion machine, for Trump and Bin Biden, and Bin Bidens count came out 26% higher, now that is real proof of rigged machines. Sidney Powel has already stated that it was a ratio thing, and now that is proven. And you can stuff your truther comparison, as you haven’t a clue on that file either, and it’s not that zi disagree with what you posted, it’s that you are “incidentally ” correct on that one, just not smart enough by half to realize it. You are a low IQ , low informed fool!

    11. Watch today’s Life, Liberty and Levin and see how Pennsylvania vote was manipulated by the democrats.

  9. “Immigrants are natural conservatives”
    That’s probably true but most immigrants are fleeing from tyranny and suppression are used to supporting freedom loving parties from corrupt or fascist shitholes., like Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran, Haiti, Jamaica, India, China, Philippines.
    The words “Liberal” and “Conservative” (especially the religious theocracies) for all their life in their home country has 180 degree opposite meaning until they arrive here and too late discover the Liberals here are the punitive taxation, censoring, authoritarian oppressive big government freedom hating fascists.

  10. The one thousand witnesses should have made an anonymous statement authored together with political lawyers, that’s the only evidence democrats consider has enough veracity to initiate even an impeachment process.

  11. I’d say that this ‘election’ was most certainly rigged. The reason – is that it was too important for the Elites to leave this decision ‘up to the People’.

    I have several premises. One, is that this situation is not ideological. It isn’t about ‘conservatives vs progressives’. It’s about power, the power to control and own wealth. It’s a class situation – between an isolate Elite and ‘the People’.

    I am using as my premise, a view that the US government over the past few decades has gradually corrupted into a Power-Bloc of Elites, a set of the population who have moved into almost permanent control of both elected and unelected offices – for their own wealth and power. [This exists in Canada as well, within a different infrastructure]. This Elite Bloc, made up of both Democrats and Republicans, have no ideology other than power-to-members-of-the Elites. They have manipulated the voting public into passive voters by many methods from the psychological to the economic:

    – dividing the population into identity blocs, rejecting individual identities and insisting on group membership, by ‘race’, skin colour, ethnicity, income, gender and so on…devising ever more intricate sub-blocs, – and setting them up as Victims, as dependent on government largesse – and adversarial to each other;

    -another tactic has been psychological, where the Elites have set up narrative after narrative, where the American people, rather than seeing themselves as strong, self-reliant entrepreneurs, caring of others and independent – have been redefined by the Elites as: racists, white supremacists, environmental destroyers, imperialists…etc. Remember Obama’s apology tour? The ‘guns-and-bibles’? Hillary Clinton’s ‘deplorables’? This narrative has further moved the American people into helplessness – wondering, are they really that terrible, are they really that bad? Instead of applauding the vital innovations that grew from the freedoms of America – the Elites have ground the People into self-loathing.

    – economically- this has been the greatest ‘success’ at removing power from the people. Using high taxes, enormous regulations and restrictions, the Elites have removed Investment and Production power from the People – moving both these vital economic actions overseas. This has left the American people without a middle class [the key economic base of any industrial economy; ie, those who are engaged in private small businesses]. They have been transformed into passive Consumers of cheap Chinese/ Indian goods. The Elites have moved their Investment money and Production activities overseas, where they own the factories and sit on the boards.
    That is – wealth production capacities have been removed from the American people.

    – and economically – the Elites, by removing work and business entrepreneurship from the People – have further increased their dependency. Under Obama, for example, food stamp and welfare use exploded in size. And the Debt to service all these dependents, all these identity blocs, all these non-business population- further exploded.

    Under Obama – this situation reached what I call a ‘critical threshold’ – where the dependent ratio of the population to the economy’s ability to service this population – reached an impasse. Then – Trump came in.
    As Exasperated has pointed out, this is NOT about Trump per se – although the Elites have tried to make it ‘all about Trump’. It’s an economic and political issue – about who controls an economy – the People who live in the nation – or a small set of Elites whose agenda is purely about their own wealth.

    Trump restored economic power to the People – with his tax cuts, regulation cuts, his insistence that Investment and Production be moved back from overseas into America; his support for entrepreneurship and small businesses. His new trade agreements – the rewriting of NAFTA to benefit American business; his European trade agreements; and his ensuring that the US was energy self-sufficient [no longer importing oil from eg Saudi Arabia]. Then – he got the US out of money-wasting ‘agreements’ of the Paris Accord, insisted that NATO members pay their fair share rather than the US taxpayer funding it all. Stopped ISIS in the Middle East – and set up that incredible, remarkable Abraham Accord. The list is longer.

    But- the key thing is – he was restoring economic and political power to the People. The Elites fought back from day one – with riots, with their control of the media they made personal attacks vs Trump; with the accusations of his being a Russian agent; with the impeachment..on and on and on. A relentless attack. And their use of BLM and Antifa were part of the Narrative.
    We will probably never know whether Covid was accidental or deliberate – but- the Elites grabbed it and have terrorized the public into passivity. With false data, false analysis. And – have blamed its very existence on Trump.

    With Trump’s control of the Supreme Court and the return of economic growth to The People – rather than the Elites – i’d say that the Elites knew they had to take this election. And did indeed plan to subvert and corrupt the vote. The further loss of power – was too great for them to passively accept power being returned to the People.

    Two further things in this rather long outline. It is naive of us to think that the People could be triumphant over the Elites within just four years of Trump – the Elites have too much wealth and power to lose and are not going to let an election [of the People!!] take this from them. But- I think it’s too late. We are in a Cold War – and the Elites are not going to be able to restore themselves to power – despite their puppets of Biden and Harris. But it’s going to be a continuing battle. The reason? It’s economics – their regime of removing Investment and Production from America and making Americans dependent on overseas Production simply cannot support the population of the US. So- this fight of The People vs The Elites continues. And China is their key, their major ally in this battle.
    But- ‘any suggestion of GUNS is absurd and useless’. Don’t go there.

    And a final comment. As I said, this fight is not about ideology. But- there IS an ideological component in this situation and it sits within the Democratic Party. It’s their communist ideology – a purely naive, utopian centralist agenda of the Radicals. These Radicals want to take control from the Elites!!! Again – the Elites aren’t about ideology; just personal wealth. But, these Radicals are all about ideology – and they are against the Elites! This puts another foot in the War Games.

    I consider, however, that the People will win. In the end. Because economically – there is no other solution to a large population other than a robust private business middle class economy.

    1. ANother solution to a lrage population is a smaller population. This is where the Club of Rome and all the misanthropes and Watermelons come in. Remember, David Suzuki is all in favour of YOUR smaller footprint, his is the one crushing you.

    3. ET, A long um, “Outline”, but very well laid out and explained. Thank you, an excellent post.

  12. It’s hard for a normal person to make heads or tails about the post election court challenges. Many of these lawsuits have been conflated by the MSM. The MSM naturally focus on the crazy ones, but, be aware that third parties, who are not associated with Team Trump, have filed in various states too. Forget about Lin Wood et al; they have gone rogue. At this time, you maybe have, at best, a preponderance of suspicion or a preponderance of anomalies. It isn’t just the middle of the night spikes, but among other things, the election looked, for all the world, like a Red wave. In addition the bell weather counties didn’t go with the winner for the first time in 60 years. Trump had coattails and Biden didn’t. States that normally vote in lock step, didn’t. There’s much more about phony PO boxes and granny harvesting, but too much to cover here. I’m just scratching the surface, I’m sure you have read of many more statistical oddities.
    Note that the EVIDENCE is held by the election officials and contrary to normal protocols, they have been refusing to allow normal ,routine access to these records. A purpose of the lawsuits is to obtain court orders for DISCOVERY.
    FWIW: I get my information from two Youtube channels: People’s Pundit Daily (Richard Baris, public pollster) and a Canadian lawyer with the YouTube channel, Viva Frei, (usually, Sunday @ 7:00PM) which features several attorneys, including the election law attorney, Robert Barnes. Barnes gives pretty down to earth information. He’s been working with the Georgia SOS, he is particularly interested in expert forensic review of voter signature verification. He had been reassured on five different occasions by the Georgia SOS office that he would be given access to the full digitized voting record until recently when the door slammed shut. On paper, Georgia would appear to have a very secure system, EXCEPT it is only secure to the extent that the procedures are followed, hence Barnes’ focus on signature verification. If the election officials were compliant with the states established and legal protocols, then what’s the problem? It’s easy to accuse the Georgia governor and SOS of being NeverTrumpers, but I’d guess, it’s more a CYA thing, and that they were intimidated into not following their own security measures. Over the weekend, Kemp relented but Raffensberger is still stalling, or was, last I heard.

    1. Exasperated – as you point out,

      ” At this time, you maybe have, at best, a preponderance of suspicion or a preponderance of anomalies. It isn’t just the middle of the night spikes, but among other things, the election looked, for all the world, like a Red wave. In addition the bell weather counties didn’t go with the winner for the first time in 60 years. Trump had coattails and Biden didn’t. States that normally vote in lock step, didn’t.”

      With this basic unusual data, with its ‘preponderance of anomalies’ – it’s valid to investigate it. To do anything other than an investigation would be naive and unaccountable-to-the-public. And, using Occam’s razor, the simple explanation is indeed fraudulent votes – whether by those ‘100,000 ballots all for Biden’; or computer or…whatever. But it has to be investigated.

      In addition, of course – one has to ask: Why Biden? What on earth does he have to offer to the people? He has no policies – other than a reversal to Obama debt [and remember, Obama’s successor, Hillary, was not voted in]. So- what’s he got to offer?

      1. It’s all judicial noise until SCOTUS decides whether or not to take the case(s), and their final decision.

  13. Saw this comment at Maggie’s Farm:

    “ As a New Englander who has spent the last fifteen years living in Fulton County I would request that you remember that the Deep South is in many ways still a developing country. Cultural institutional and behavioral norms here are different from that in the northeast United States.

    For example: The Atlanta schools cheating scandal which lasted for 12 years. Groups of educators would gather on Saturday afternoons and hold erasure parties or they would get together in groups and spent hours erasing wrong answers on students exams and filling in the correct ones.

    https://www.wsbtv.com/news/crct-report-answers-changed-at-erasure-parties/241685923/

    In terms of electoral fraud Fulton county has lots of experience with that too. In the 2009 and 2017 Atlanta mayoral elections, The losing candidate won the runoff by exactly 700 votes. Both times.

    Nothing fishy there!

    The surprising thing wouldn’t be if people in Fulton County had engaged in major election fraud, the surprising thing would be if they were held accountable for it.”

  14. I believe it was Mark Twain that said ‘” If voting mattered they wouldn’t let you do it.”

  16. I’m so so edgy and nonconformist. That’s why every comment I leave is repeated verbatim and incessantly by Goolag, Fakebook and Twatter. Heil Zuckerberg!

    1. No, you’re ragged and uninformed. The funny part is you do so intentionally. You backed idea of Trump Russia collusion.
      IOW, your opinion is not only meaningless, but by its nature to be ignored as deluded by default.
      You remind of me the worst mechanic in our military unit. Whatever he said wasn’t the problem, was the problem.
      That’s you. At least he had a useful occupation.

  17. People who think this election was not rife with fraud do not think. There are a couple here who are more than one brick short of a load.

  18. Can it even be said that America is still a democracy. If this continues on the course it is going then America is now a democracy in the same format at Russia, Red China, North Korea or any other third wold dictatorship. And if this goes uncorrected will America’s second civil war be for behind?

    1. Rob- Canada has its own corrupt infrastructure which ensures that its Laurentian Elite remain in power. They don’t use election fraud, as just occurred in the USA, but, in addition to the voter manipulation and massive vote-buying from identity blocs [which both countries use] – Canada has an election infrastructure that prevents the majority of Canadians from federal office – and also – ensures the continuing ‘election’ of a centralist ‘progressive’ governance.

  19. Lets get on with the shooting, as that is the ONLY thing that will be a remedy for this fraud, ET’s aversion to shooting not withstanding.

    1. NME666 – Of course I’ll disagree.
      How could violence ever be a remedy for fraud? Those who use violence aren’t exposing the fraud. Violence is, in itself, a purely mechanical force of power and all it can do, simply because it is purely mechanical – is either physically destroy the opposition or be itself physically destroyed. This simplistic black and white force is the basis of totalitarianism.

      Violence against the people, against truth, has been a key tool of all totalitarian regimes. Do you suggest shooting the electoral officials? How will that help? Or the back-room plotters who set up the fraud? How will that help? They will just attack you back – and so on. So- the ‘winner’ becomes the strongest physical force. That will work in a windstorm where the trees lose – but – in human society – it won’t work.

      The solution is to control the narrative; it has already been set up for us – that there IS an Elite power bloc in Washington; that these Elites are corrupt and will do anything to attain and keep power; that they are against the well-being of the American people; that their regime of taxes, removing investment and production from American control; increasing dependency and etc – harms the people and enriches these Elite.
      So- keep up the narrative. Spread it; talk about it; write about it. Don’t stop talking and asking for accountability.

      And – keep up the lawsuits and investigations to ensure that the electoral process is fair and accountable.

      1. But ultimately, doesn’t all governance come back to or down to a threat of violence, even in non-totalitarian states? “Follow the rules or else.” In this case, the fraudsters are saying “or else what?” and are using further co-option of the legal system to try to approve their improper doings to finalize the coronation of Joe Biden’s puppetmaster. Whether the Democrats and deep state want a totalitarian state is a topic for another time, but how close must their actions be to a totalitarian state before violence in opposition is acceptable?

        Ballots before bullets is preferred. If the ballots and the laws governing their casting and invigilation are willfully ignored, then it is a rare occurrence that I agree with NME.

        To clarify, are you saying that violence is never the answer when discussion can still take place, or that we’re not there yet so we should keep our powder dry and work towards a political/legal solution within the current framework?

        1. First- the rules have to be made by the people. Not by an unelected governance – which also means – not by the leader alone – but within a vote. Yes – there is a problem even with this for voting in, eg, a parliament, can mean that the vote is based around tribal politics. Not on the well-being of the people.

          So- in Canada, we have the situation where the NDP don’t want an election because they fear losing seats/power in parliament – so- they will prop up the very worst ideas of the Liberals to prevent an election.

          Do I think that violence is never the answer? No – I can’t say that, for then, I would have to reject the War of Independence of the USA from England; I’d have to reject WWII – for its defeat of Germany. And so on.
          But I’m saying that at the moment – at least in the USA – I think there IS a viable infrastructure, with its three branches of government, its courts, its constitution. The problem is, that the process of operations in these areas has been corrupted. And that needs to be exposed – really, really exposed – and repaired. In Canada, we do NOT have a viable infrastructure – and that too needs to be exposed and repaired. I don’t think that in either case, violence would solve the issues. But, in both cases, the Elites who are kept in power by these problematic situations will do everything they can – to prevent the repair. And that includes, at least on the left, violence [Antifa, BLM].

          1. Et – “Those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable” John Kennedy. I believe at the present this is applicable to Canada and the U.S.

          2. The problem is, that the process of operations in these areas has been corrupted. And that needs to be exposed – really, really exposed – and repaired. Which is the case we find ourselves in. The exposing has been done to the point that a majority of Georgians polled thought that the election was compromised to the point that the the results were altered. https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/poll-majority-of-ga-voters-believe-election-was-compromised-enough-to-alter-results/

            Those who are refusing to follow and enforce the law are trying to impose their view of how the election outcome should be applied. If the levers and controls are held by those who are gaming the system, then the gamers will win. As you’ve noted, BLM and Antifa are threats (and acts) of violence from the left to support the imposition. “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” applies as well. At what degree of “shut up, our side won, you don’t get to see the ballots or results and must abide by the laws we impose on you” is the next revolution warranted?

            (note that I’m trying to be Socratic to try to bring out where you think the limits are or should be ET. It looks like you’ve put a lot of thought into this, but I’m curious to know where you see the point of “now we have to play by their rules because the rules are broken beyond repair” would be reached.)

          3. Life, Liberty and Levin tonight is exposing the corruption of the constitution of Pennsylvania which enabled Biden to win.

      2. ET, simple, you have proven over time that you do not understand basic street wisdom (I happen to be a big fan of your posts BTW). Street wisdom dictates that people fear that which they threaten and/or subject others to. As they have been using antifa and BLM for that very reason, use violence to intimidate those they want to subjugate, then it is violence they fear. The street thugs are not the ones we need to scare, it’s the elites we need to scare, and violence will do that, even if they hire private security, they know they will eventually become vulnerable . You see ET, the biker thugs use to hate me, as did the police, at the same time, because I was considered to be willing to rain violence on them! It’s not that I like to use violence, it’s I understand that it is the only path forward.

        1. NME666 – but street violence won’t defeat the Elites. Street violence, which is one individual or a set of individuals – versus another individual , will work for that one situation at that one time. But it won’t release the Elite control on the government.

          No, the Elites aren’t afraid of the violence of ‘the People’. They have the police and the military in their control and can use them against the People. What they fear is to lose control of the support of the People. Therefore – they use bribes, lots of money, to get their support. They control the media and so, brainwash the people so that gangs will emerge [Antifa, BLM] to create unrest and uncertainty. I don’t think the Elites are concerned about ‘die-hard Republicans’ or even, ‘die-hard Democrats of the old school, such as Alan Dershovitz, who has both integrity and ethics. They need the support of the left, of the progressives; they need the support of the LIV [low information voters] who will believe and follow whatever is most strongly shouted. Therefore, they MUST retain government power so that they can continue to bribe these people – and – use official threats and intimidation against any who dare to oppose them.

          Do you see a militia rising up, – because, again, a single or even a few attacks vs a few Elites won’t accomplish anything but repression – but do you see a ‘well-organized militia rising up to..what..take out the Elites? How?
          The way I see it – what has to happen first – is Change the Narrative. That is – the Elites have set up a Narrative of Amerians-as-passive-Consumers [you didn’t build that] – and Trump has reversed this Narrative. This ‘We are Great’ Narrative has to be continued – and – spread everywhere, such that people will say: We CAN and we DO build that, and we take credit for it’…..and thus..refuse to accept the Narrative of the Elites.
          At the moment – that’s my suggestion. I don’t see how assassinating a single Elite would help this Narrative; instead – it would harm its spread.

          1. So your understanding is that current and past military and police forces will support the authoritarians? I had thought that what was under discussion was the level at which those who signed to support their government against all foes, foreign and domestic, would unite against the illegal overthrow underway.

  20. Checked out Scott Adams analysis of the whole circus.
    Some of it makes sense.
    There is a mention that the people that were told to leave were envelope cutters, basically envelope openers.
    The boxes of ballots were where they were because they had to put them somewhere.
    The one question in this context is, why were the envelopes cutters let go when there were boxes and boxes of unopened envelopes.
    Of course the envelopes in the boxes may have been already cut open.

    However things are now, they are none clearer then before.
    Unless there is actual wrong doing, open and clear, its a nogo.

  21. According to the left: If someone says that BLM are communists, well of course they are racists and nazis. If you “dead-name” or “mis-pronoun” someone that is violence.

    Is it equally logical to say that someone who fraudulently steals an election is using violence as well?

    Looking back in history, when democracies (democratic republic in this case) are overtaken by fraud it usually doesn’t fare too well for the people that have been defrauded. Power tends to be consolidated and then used to crush opponents shortly thereafter.

    Some telltale signs that should be worrying are the willingness of the vast and powerful bureaucracy and the media to go along with the lies and propaganda, and the vitriolic hate of the left to destroy people they disagree with (re-education camp suggestions, destroying their livelihoods, vandalizing homes and businesses and outright murder and violence).

    Is a wait and see plan solid advice?

    Hope I’m wrong. YMMV. 🙂

  22. To those who propose that violence doesn’t solve anything, let me posit this. If you have cancer or gangrene your doctor will advise that the there are two treatments. Chemo or radiation for the cancer and massive antibiotics and drugs for the gangrene and if those treatments don’t work then surgery and amputation. We have been through the first round of treatment for the malaise that society has been infected with. It is now time for the second round. If we do not employ the second round the patient, as the doctor warns, will die. That is a universal truth. If the rot and corruption that we see today is not cut out our society will die, that also is a universal truth.

  24. 80 million plus voted for president Trump.
    Soros and Dominion switched at least six million to team walking death with veep kneepads.
    Then you are left with 74 million.
    But it is not the true number.
    The president was winning in a landslide, and the evil party had to resort to even more massive cheating than usual, to drag the vile china owned fraud with his marxist veep first across the finish line.
    If that stands, the free world is hooped, and china owns us all.
    And WW III is just around the corner then.
    Will start in the Taiwan straight.

  25. t-RUMP had 4 friggin years to put systems and safegurads in place to prevent any attempts to ‘steal’ the 2020 election.

    he didnt.

    too busy twittering his mysogeny, sarcasm, conspirrrrracies etc.

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