“Withdrawing from CPP is a provincial right. It can be exercised without constitutional or legal challenge.”
(h/t Steve from Rockwood)
“Withdrawing from CPP is a provincial right. It can be exercised without constitutional or legal challenge.”
(h/t Steve from Rockwood)
A lot of logic to creating an AB or AB+SK pension. It is provincial jurisdiction so it CAN be done.
But what shouldn’t be done is what Diane Francis is suggesting – t o then take those funds and invest them in regional projects. That demonstrates that she’s a Red Tory – not a conservative.
The pension funds should be managed by a third party or group of third parties and the only investments should be ETFs. The CPP has a real problem in that it is so big that making individual stock or bond positions that are sizeable enough to be relevant to the overall fund’s position completely distorts the assets valuation (ditto when it sells it). And we shouldn’t trust the LPC not to lean on the CPP to be political in its investments.
PS – while they are at it they should create an AB M&H Corp (or evening better an AB+SK version) I’m told that there used to be one so it’s not like there isn’t a precedent.
Alberta needs to get out of as many Federal Provincial Fiscal Arrangements as possible. Alberta under the Constitution should even be collecting Income Tax and doling out to Ottawa. Alberta should also exert Jurisdiction over all Municipal Funds paid by Ottawa to Municipalities. Make it so all Federal Funds that now go directly to Municipalities must be paid into an Alberta Controlled Fund then be doled out as needed to the Municipalities. All of the Federal Scams under Infrastructure that go to Municipalities usually have back handers to Liberal Supporters. Put Fences between the Municipalities and Ottawa Corruption. This protects all taxpayers in Canada from Ottawa Vote Buying Scams. The Atlantic and Quebec Welfare Bums are Masters of Milking Canadian Taxpayers under Ottawa Vote Buying Scams.
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/federal/taxrent.htm
Agreed
Agreed as well.
It is my understanding that there already is a Saskatchewan Pension Plan. Could someone on this comment thread confirm this and if so, when it was created? It would be a perfect investment vehicle for all funds from those of us who have contributed to CPP over the years (I started in 1970, when I graduated high school and contributed double the amounts when I became self-employed in the late 1970’s).
Thank you for any input.
https://www.saskpension.com/
What should be done is leaving CPP and then ending all compulsory pension contributions. Let me take care of that please it’s my money.
There is no reason for AB to tether itself to Sask. What an anchor!
All the things our so called “Saskatchewan” party could have done at any point in the past 20 years… List is pretty long.
It’s like they are actually against the idea of fighting or resisting in any way. Like they actually always have been on the other side. Like the name “Saskatchewan Party” is false advertising; Yet Another Screw the West We’ll Comfy Fur Party.
The Saskatchewan party are Liberals at heart. They have pi**ed away opportunities like Harper and Wall did. A lot of grandstanding but no urgency to change/correct things considering the high popularity. Instead of reversing the mess left by the Marxist/Communist ENDP, they continue merrily along supporting the socialist agenda including scams. I suggested to them ‘right to work legislation’ and was told that the companies didn’t want it. Ya, tell me another one. Here would be an opportunity to humble the enemy but no. They falsely believe being nice to your enemies will make them your friends.
I personally know two cabinet ministers. One is a true conservative. There are some other good and moral ministers, but others are indistinguishable from a current Liberal. The problem is at the premier level. We are screwed under the current leadership, a paper tiger.
something needs to be done to smarten up the ________ in Ottawa. I will let you fill in the blank
I don’t care if they’re smart or dumb, better deal or no deal, I want Alberta to separate from Canada. Any and all steps in that direction should be acted upon.
It is interesting. The younger population of AB translates into another subsidy to ROC minus QC. Going with an APP would mean lower payroll taxes for AB and higher payroll taxes for the ROC minus QC. Article says ROC minus QC contribution rates would go up 10%.
An opportunity to increase the AB advantage and reduce the suck of cash from AB. I can’t see why AB wouldn’t do it unless its the abused spouse syndrome.
Alberta’s next move. Reward Quebec by withdrawing from the Canadian dairy management agreements. Alberta should set up its own marketing board and restrict imports and license unlimited dairy production until the province is self-sufficient. The blood sucking Quebecois would be really pissed off. The Supreme Court just said it was okay by permitting New Brunswick to limit imports of Quebec beer.
It already has its own board. What it can do is get rid of the individual quota system. IOW The province would have a quota but individual farms wouldn’t.
Quickly there would be crash in the price of milk and consolidation in the sector driving prices down further.
This would mean lots of bootleg smuggling of dairy products to neighbouring provinces driving up purchases in AB and increasing the provinces quota. And it would put enormous pressure on BC and SK to follow suit.
“lberta should set up its own marketing board and restrict imports”
Please no one statist blood sucking scheme is more than enough.
Westerners need to stand up for themselves. No “progressive” voter east of Manitoba gives a shit about you or your hard times. They hate you. K-bec has several departments separate from the ROC because they think they’re superior. Blackie has stated they are superior. Time to nutup or shutup.
Opting out of the CPP is a smart move.
And only the first Step in setting up the FIREWALL
2: Collecting our Own Taxes then, should logically be the next step.
Followed by giving the (we’ll see you in 2+ hrs), RCMP the boot to create our own Provincial Police Force. Lastly we must fully Finance our Health Care System.
To the Last one…time for some Significant Structural changes to ensure long term financial viability & sustainablity. And Kenney, while youre at it….lets create a 21st Century Health Card maybe huh.?? This paper post it note is a JOKE and wide open for abuse.
Leaving the CPP is a start.
But you already know what really needs to be done.
When you do, there will be a lot of immigration to Alberchewan from Ontario.
Alberta should revive the Alberta Stock Exchange to raise capital locally. And add on a commodity exchange. Canada hasn’t had a functioning commodity exchange since the Winnipeg Exchange self-immolated by voiding contracts because their buddies were stuck with supplying large amounts of forward sold product that didn’t exist. Actually it still exists as a rump of the Chicago exchange.
I made a proposal to Danielle Smith, years back about Alberta creating an International Banking Center similar to what you see in the Cayman’s, Panama, or the UK offshore Islands. Look at how rich Switzerland is a lot of that generated by banking. Alberta should take a percentage of their Royalty Payments in physical gold to be held in a vault in Calgary or Edmonton as ballast to the Alberta Banks. It would also create stability for Alberta when it becomes a Nation.
All these ideas are good and necessary. That said, many of them were already proposed years ago to create an Alberta “firewall”.
But then socialist Special Ed quashed the whole thing, while pretending to be a conservative.
Time will tell if Jason the Jesuit Kenney plays the same game. Pretending to champion Alberta’s cause, giving great speeches, all-the-while accomplishing nothing concrete and running out the clock on his term.
Dust off the firewall plan. Alberta pension plan separated like the Quebec pension plan. Provincial police force, provincial collection of taxes ( would require a token provincial income tax).
Steve From Rockwood. I stole your post from tips and put it here. My favorite of the day. Hope This does not offend you.
Steve from Rockwood
November 6, 2019 at 9:12 am
I’m getting my share of Alberta news, hopeful that the province will remain a spur in the side of our Blackface McDuncoff. Jason Kenny is proposing to create an Alberta Pension System, similar to that in Quebec. This will require a massive transfer of wealth from Ottawa back to Alberta. It does not require “permission” from Ottawa. Brilliant chess move UCP. Just make sure the provincial government cannot tap into those funds or influence the investment holdings. Leave that to the professionals – not the politicians. Look brilliant, be brilliant.
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-alberta-pension-a-serious-idea-that-would-flip-out-the-feds
“Withdrawing from CPP is a provincial right. It can be exercised without constitutional or legal challenge.”
Not offended. I would move my business to Alberta if it separated. Perhaps Alberta should offer a special form of Corporation for people like me who feel they are over-taxed. I know companies that were previously based in Ontario but registered offices in Alberta to trap non-Ontario income and avoid provincial taxes.
If Alberta could force the Federal Government’s hand (to limit and reduce government interference, especially in the form of taxes) the whole country would benefit.
I studied the “firewall”debate of years ago, and here are a few things Alberta could do, akin to what Quebec does now:
1. As stated, replace the current CPP in Alberta with a new APP;
2. Set up a separate provincial income tax system (would entail setting up a separate income tax bureacracy). As I understand it, Alberta now collects its corporate income tax separately from the feds;
3. Negotiate with the feds to set up separate provincialoy-run functions to replace federal functions. E.g., Quebec runs its own immigration system, and it would be good for Alberta to run their own system. Note that Quebec gets a special federal tax rebaate, given reduced federal functions within the ptovince;
4. Terminate the Alberta contract for the mostly useless RCMP, and set up a separate Alberta Police Force.
The last suggestion is important. With a separate police force, Alberta should start thinking about border checks, to tie up East-West trade to British Columbia. Alberta should start using its own geography to start hammering back at BC.
I agree with your point about tying up East-West trade. And we could use the same logic as BC does with regard to why they won’t let additional pipeline capacity from Alberta into BC: we are protecting the environment. BC has rats, Alberta doesn’t – and BC doesn’t control MANY noxious weeds that are a threat to Alberta’s agriculture industry. Those are both environmentally-related concerns.
If we stopped all trains and trucks coming into Alberta from BC to inspect them for rats and for any potential horticultural pests contamination, it wouldn’t take long before a lot of the goods that are landing in the port of Vancouver would be routed down to the US and shipped by rail just below the border before entering Canada directly into Ontario.
And if BC cries foul – Alberta can point out that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
We should inspect all B.C. seafood for sewage contamination.
Yep,those pipelines crossing the Ab/BC border,they need “Safety Checks” and carbon assessment shutdowns.
One never knows they could be cheating on their carbon pollution payments….
Ditto the coal trains,they could be exporting important fossils.
Shut ’em down,save the fossils…
AB kind of already has a provincial police force: the sheriffs. Currently, they’re a secondary highway patrol alongside the Mounties, in addition to other duties. They’d just need to be expanded in size and duties. Assuming we actually want a provincial police force. I personally think police have too much power as it is.
As to the rest of it, we need to start and continue snipping away at federal interference in provincial affairs with no net benefit to us.
“..With a separate police force, Alberta should start thinking about border checks, to tie up East-West trade to British Columbia…”
David. Great comment above. On this item, we’ve (I and a few friends), have been calling it:
COAST LOCK .
Wanna prevent Alberta Product from moving west..??? Fine – we’ll do the same to you.
Imagine if you will – Nothing moves EAST across the Ab border, be it RAIL or Hiway. One wonders how long it would take to solve the impasse and all Injunctions/Actions/Rulings/Protests against TMX, Spirit Pipeline and even Northern Gateway for that matter, dissapear as YVR STAGNATES & fills up with hundreds of Container ships all loaded with Chinese Crap destined for Eastern Stores..
About a week.. if that.
This kind of retalitory action is long long overdue in my opinion.
I can’t remember if I said it here at the time, but the reason I knew TransMountain was dead in the water is that McSockFace didn’t use a single bit of federal leverage to convince the BC socialists they were barking up the wrong tree. All he needed to do was stand down the CBSA/Ag Canada at the Port of Vancouver and YVR for two (a few?) weeks and/or have Transport Canada decertify YVR. Done and done. Could also have added in other things as well, but these would be the two biggies, IMO. That he used our money to buy the damn thing was just icing on his cake.
These things should be done regardless of pipeline policy or other ‘green’ issues. They are just good ideas.
Except the stupid east-west choking. This is dumb and will drive up Alberta’s costs.
Wonder how Ralphie of Wascana is feeling after getting the boot? He should be up for an appointment of some sort very soon.
His ouster warmed the cockles of me heart, it did. As did the drubbing AB gave the Libs. Watching Kent Hehr (aka in my mind “Can’t Hear”) get the boot gave me far more satisfaction than it probably should have. 🙂
Liz…how about Ambassador to Hungary or Poland. !!
They would eat him up and spit him out in about a week….piecemeal
Good riddance to that useless turd.
Oh look, the “government’s job really is to take care of us” crowd is out in full force.
Take care of your own retirement; or continue your slave dependency thinking of “someone should tell me when to retire, and someone should set money aside for that”.
If you think the government should be in charge of telling you when to stop working, you won’t mind when the government tells you when it is time to stop “burdening society”. Because, it is not your job to think for yourself.
I’ve said it before that Western separatism will necessarily be a quasi socialist movement as Liberty is not the driver (for most) but rather the appeal of an (energy) pond protected from the Eastern and Green destroyers and with far fewer frogs to enjoy the redistributive spoils. A more prosperous welfare state is unfortunately the only potentially successful populist appeal of western separatism. No other (democratic) carrot will sell to enough of the electorate of any province that would tolerate the pukes they elect to run their large cities, universities, hospitals, schools, etc.
It’s not just the asset manager issue that needs addressing. The form of pension also needs to be addressed. Right now the benefit is based on a single life only basis with an arcane rule that says no recipient can receive more that the maximum single life pension. Where you have two individuals whose combined pensions exceed this maximum the excess is vaporized on death. Add to this the disappearance of the OAS benefit. The result is often catastrophic financially for the surviving spouse who happens to be a elderly female 75% of the time. Why do liberals hate old women?
A truly independent Alberta,would drop as many useless government functions as possible.
Better management of the theft from the citizen, will not solve the collapse of civil society that is inherent in a kleptocracy.
Slowing the decline is what brought us the progressive conservatives.
Stopping the stealing is the path to independence.
Can-Ah -Duh has failed because we allowed systemic theft to flourish,our grandchildren are born bearing the load of debt, debt incurred for purposes of laze and greed.Debt for services they will never see.
Why would an independent West attempt to repeat a failed experiment?
A modest suggestion would be to limit the policing to investigation services, while the citizen be held responsible for enforcement.
Such a reversal might reduce the orchestrated theft from central power.
People no longer seem to know that all “government” has a high cost and limited application to local situations.
Passing the buck to some faceless minion is always going to cost you more than doing your own dirty work.
Look to “Free Healthcare” as a fine example of bureaucratic (government) help.
So indeed Alberta should demand these monies,but should they repeat the bureaucracy?
How about we start with this.
PUBLIC SERVICE UNIONS OUTLAWED.
Period.
Wages and Benefits set as an avg. of Private Sector for SIMILAR jobs. Wages increase as and when it is affordable and makes sense.
You are a public servant – Not a Trough Feeding parasite who believes he/she is owed $135,000 Annually “just because”. You want to make that kind of coin…?? Come and work with me on a 4 month shutdown and EARN your coin – Away from your family. 6 days on 1 day off. 13 hour shifts. Sleep on a 5 yr old mattress that’s seen 7323 other warm bodies…eat mediocre food at best.
Otherwise Bugger off and be happy with your Publicly alloted $65-75,000.
OPSEU, CUPE, CUPW and Diaz’s group Unifor et all: ALL FAR LEFTIST Anti Semtic Bastards who would see Capitalism destroyed. They will have no TOEhold in an independant West….Not if I can help it.
This has to be top of the list or nothing will be accomplished.
Steakman I agree. Then the greasy politicians even try to tax away subsistence and travel allowance while increasing their own. They should all be tarred and feathered. Years ago I worked on a project in Northern Alberta in trades. 40-50 below, so cold extension cords snapped, 4 men killed on the job.
Quebec has produced the template on how to shake down the rest of Canada.
I used to think that was disgusting but I’m more in the ‘dog eat dog and vice versus’ camp now.
Every man for himself now and screw the rest of Canada out of every nickle that we can.
They hate us and our oil industry, nothing will change that.
And a point to remember: The goal isn’t to make them our friends.
They aren’t.
I don’t want to be friends with idiots that vote for SNC Liberal corruption and blatant obstruction of justice and that are too stupid to understand the dangers of what the liberals are doing with the media.
Another point to remember. Two liquefied natural gas projects looking for environmental approval – one in Quebec, the other in B.C.
The one in B.C. is interesting, especially the $5.3 billion in tax incentives, including low electricity rates. The “green” B.C. government has no problem using subsidized green hydro to power its LNG (fossil fuel) exports. I won’t even mention the coal.
https://thenarwhal.ca/6-awkward-realities-behind-b-c-s-big-lng-giveaway/
No one actually thinks anymore.
Wexit… for Gods sake, get on with it!
“Alberta should start using its own geography to start hammering back at BC.”
Hey David Murrell, I live in BC and wholeheartedly agree with you.
The NWT charges a 3% payroll tax on anyone who works in the NWT but who doesn’t live there.
Alberta and Sask should do the same, but bump it up to 10%.
It’s time to tax the remittances going to the provinces that hate us.
Maybe add another 3% if they live in quebec, call it an ‘anti-pipeline tax’.
And to ‘save the planet from global warming’ Alberta and Saskatchewan should charge a carbon tax on the airline tickets of every worker that commutes by air to go to work in Alberta or Saskatchewan.
We’re in a climate emergency after all….and the eastern dummies voted for Trudeau.
Tax them.
They are helping Trudeau destroy the western economies.
Why share what remains of the oil economy with the people who voted to destroy it?
Justin will be remembered as the P.M. who destroyed Canada, with the help of the idiots in Toronto of course.