Bannon wins the Munk Debate, swinging the audience from 28% to 57% in favour of the resolution: “be it resolved the future of western politics is populist not liberal”
Updated with video replay, debate begins about the 2:25 mark if you want to skip past the intro.
Meanwhile, outside the auditorium the tolerant left injured a police officer and got a bunch of themselves arrested.
Steve Paikin smells conspiracy.
Bannon is a Happy Warrior,even without better content he would have beaten Frum,who is a humourless leach.
I watched part of the debate,there is something weird about “educated Canadians”.
No wonder The Emperors New Clothes ..I mean CAGW/CC sells so well in Ottawa.
there is something weird about “educated Canadians”.
Yes, they are liberals and Liberals. They are brought up to think that their position in the world is the way God wanted it and as it should be. They are the chosen ones to run the benificent welfare state and their entitlements are just because of this.
educated Canadians tend to be poorly educated, indoctrinated is more like it.
My mom was a famous journalist so now I am a famous Journalist turns into my dad was Prime Minister of Canada so now I am Prime Minister of Canada.
Canada made up by the CBC and the rest of the Lying leftist elitist socialist justice fools in media, schools, colleges, universities and governments in Canada.
Awoke Canadian
Me
I watched most of it but couldn’t make it to the end. I thought it was to be a debate about populism, pro or con. But it didnt turn out that way in my mind. Bannon started his opening statement (interupted by protesters of course) explaining his view of populism and why he felt it was necessary. Frum started by immediately taking shots at Trump and kept that talking point throughout including slandering the Trump family. Not just Trump is evil… the whole family is. That forced Bannon to defend Trump and I’m not sure he’s the right man for that nor was he prepared to do so. Bannon was much more engaging with the opposition audience, allowed the boos, never defensive. Frum was smarly. If that’s a word. He exudes elitism. I’m surprised at the results because the audience seemed your quintessential CBC watchers and the moderator eventually showed his colors. Frums disdane for the Trumps must of come through and it wasn’t appealing. He didn’t defend the con side as much as use this platform to spew his hate. IMHO.
He exudes elitism.
I’ve long thought that David Frum was a pompous ass, as did the old Frank magazine. He was particularly so when he was one of Reagan’s speech writers.
It must run in the family. His sister is also irritating, though not as bad as he is. Their mother, Barbara Frum, also had a similar attitude. I remember her more from when she co-hosted CBC Radio’s As It Happens during much of the 1970s and early ’80s as I rarely watched The Journal.
Actually he was a speech writer for W. He was part of the team that wrote the “axis of evil” speech.
You might be right about that.
B A Deplorable Rupertslander: You are so right about David Frum his true colours were showing. His hate for Trump and his family. I think Bannon got through to him…this is not about Trump it is about the Deplorables the Forgot Workers of America that lost there jobs to CHINA and other Asian countries. The Social Elites Populist will destroy America if they get back in. GO TRUMP GO…GO TRUMP GO!!! VOTE REPUBLICAN FOR THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE!!
Now WE CANADIANS HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE VOTE OUT THE LIE-BRALS IN 2019!!
Sure but not for Sheer a Trudeau Light paid and controlled Globalist Party of The UN.
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Yes Barbara Frum was good on the radio but then she became a CBC tar (is that supposed to be star or tart? A freudian typo?) and liberal prisoner. The pomposity results.
She was rather grating at times when she was on AIH, particularly when she didn’t get the answers from her guests that she wanted to hear.
Still, there was something missing on AIH after she went over to The Journal.
“David Frum was a pompous ass….. It must run in the family. His sister is also irritating, though not as bad as he is. Their mother, Barbara Frum, also had a similar attitude.”
I despised Barbara Frum. She taught me to hate CBC and pine for its death. I was only granted part of my wish – Barbara’s death.
Almost every show she set up debates between a very eloquent communist or pervert and a normal person with a speech problem or limited knowledge on a topic. The Maoist, boy butt humping, drug addicted, trans-sexual won the debate every time, just as Barbara intended. May she burn in hell. She was just a typical new world order idiot trying to normalize perversity.
Frum’s performance is, in microcosm, a perfect example of why Clinton lost and other establishment types continue to lose elections: they view their opponents as beneath contempt, unworthy of their time, let alone their best efforts. They underestimate their opponents because they don’t only view the as idiots, they view them as non-persons. And, 2 years on, they still don’t get it.
Slaw: EXACTLY!!
Historical reference to the battle of Agincourt.
The elite of the French where thoroughly convinced at the outset they would destroy the English because of their superiority.
At the end of the day Edward was victorious with his deplorables and the effective use of his longbow archers.
Even today Agincourt is recounted with the hand gesture where one raises the hand with index and middle finger extended as a symbol of defiance. This gesture was even used by Churchill during the war to rally the British.
Perhaps its time to empoly that gesture again.
Point is that the elites have had the field to themselves for so long and our leaders have been ineffective or co-opted so often that we are now ready to have our own Agincourt.
Agincourt (1415) was won by Henry V and his army of long bowmen. Henry’s great grandfather, Edward III won at Crecy in 1346. Edward’s son, Edward the Black Prince won at Poitiers in 1356. Generally regarded as the great battles of the Hundred Years War, the English victories were insufficient to win the war. In the end, the House of Valois retained the French Crown and England lost all territorial claims in France except for Calais. Agincourt was nevertheless a great accomplishment by ordinary soldiers against aristocratic knights.
A bit more than that, Ham. The French could only win the war by adopting English methods. In the end what drove the English out was French use of artillery on the battlefields, starting with the siege of Orleans. In short, grimy engineers wielding new technology. A French professional army superceding the amateur elitists of the early French feudal armies that failed so badly.
An interesting framing of the question was how Bannon described the future as a populist choice between either populist capitalism or populist socialism. The mobs outside Thompson Hall trying to stop the event because fascism or something may have given the voting crowd something to think about.
Even in ultra-liberal Toronto, the socialists can’t win the debate. No wonder the Dippers wanted to keep Bannon out.
Kudos to Rudyard Griffiths for carrying on notwithstanding.
Frum was debating a different question. Trump wasn’t in the resolution.
Ad hominem after ad hominem.
( after ad homynemenimium… edited for spelling)
Frum has completely fried his brain with Trump Derangement Syndrome. I used to read him for the schadenfreude but then it felt like I was laughing at the mentally ill and had to stop.
I’m sure he literally can’t answer an unrelated question without responding with Trump insults. He’s been utterly deranged since Trump started winning primaries.
Kevin Jaeger: You have certainly got that right. FRUM has TRUMP DE-RANGEMENT SYNDROME!! You could see his anger all over his face!! He doesn’t seem to get it Trump wants what is best for AMERICA and it workers. To bad Tru-groper of Canada doesn’t think the same way….BILLIONS IN DEBT and the Millennials don’t seem to notice…HIGH on Marijuana…this is their DEBT!!
You’re right. He’s one of the poster boys for TDS. Check his Twitter account. Yikes! When Trump fired Comey Frum tweeted “It’s a coup”. That’s something you’d expect from a brainwashed leftist college student. Not from someone that actually worked in the Whitehouse and presumably knew the rights of a President. Tucker mentioned this tweet on his show when it happened without mentioning Frums name. He just said how sad it was watching people he’s known for years act out like this. Then a month later he tweeted this…
**Suppose President Trump punched the First Lady in the White House (federal property = federal jurisdiction), then ordered the Secret Service to conceal the assault. POTUS has Article II authority over Secret Service. Is that obstruction? Under Sekulow/Dowd, apparently NO**
This unhinged hatred came through in the debate tonight.
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1002984804885893122?lang=en
Russians hacked the computers? If that was a real tweet, Paikin must be on crack.
According to the Munk website, neither side won with no movement between both position (which seems bogus)
David lost all credibility with me after he took the Bush money to write some speeches and then he started bad mouthing the Bush administration on a regular basis. I’m convinced he has mental health issues.
Frum lost. At 23:50 he made a Nazi reference.
Their introductory speeches are not on the same palnet. Bannon attempts an introduction to discussion; Frum launches directly into a Trump attack. But he would, wouldn’t he, as he is a faux conservative and in fact lives i n the USA as a RINO.
The CBC detected a waver in David’s voice.
Is the little coward afraid of a populist nationalist future where the likes of him might be brought to justice for giving aid and comfort to the enemies of western civilization?
He should be.
Oh, I so hope the money was worth it. I really do. Lord knows the Sauds and Chinese communists had plenty of money to throw away on paying pseudo-intellectuals like David to goad the US into a war to guarantee Chinese industry’s access to Saudi oil.
I didn’t know who Steve Paikin was. When I read his tweet, I thought for sure it was a parody. The Russians hacked the munkdebate computers? Really? I had to double check to make sure he meant it.
So, there is no way you can parody people with TDS. They do it better themselves.
BANNON 1, FRUM 0
Frum has always been a zero, just more obvious the last few years.
I had a busy day all day so will have to listen to the debate tomorrow, or, maybe not. Based on the comments above the debater who has nothing but ad homonym arrows loses the debate automatically in my mind and so it might be a very disappointing hour and a half.
I’m watching the debate now. David Frum is giving his opening speech. One wonders if the people in the audience cheering his tirade against Trump’s supposed corruption & greed would react to solid evidence of the American Left’s corruption & greed? Likely not.
P.S. The female protester at the beginning was a real piece of work. She was absolutely convinced in her religious-like zealotry that she had every right to impose her will on 2,800 other human beings. And when the host politely gave her the option to go or stay, she said that she would like to stay. Then she betrayed the tiny sliver of honour she had and decided to keep on talking. What an a$$.
A serious man and a petulant child had a conversation.
The crowd applauded the petulant child.
Nine bloody captchas???
The petulant child told them what they wanted to hear—namely, that Annex bloodsuckers like them weren’t all going to die in prison or in the gutter after their long-suffering serfs took the Dominion back. So of course they cheered him.
About 1 hour & 4 minutes in, it became clear that Bannon was playing 4-D chess where Frum was playing checkers. Much of the audience seem like naive Canadian children.
About 1 hour and 12 minutes in, Frum announced that any criticism against George Soros is anti-semitic hate. I always thought criticism against Soros was because he’s a nasty Leftist who wants to subvert democracy.
Do the majority of the population actually believe the crap coming out of Frum’s piehole?!?
I have met people who hate George Soros not because he is a Jew, but because he was a Nazi Collaborator in Hungary. Mostly they are Jews themselves.
Do not believe me, read George Soros’ biography. It discusses his teen age years aiding the Nazi Occupation.
Eric Hoffer’s compedium of essays during the period of 1964 through 1966 as the then recognized as the “longshoreman philosopher” in Harper’s Magazine; New York Times Magazine; Holiday; Saturday Review built an extension of the French Renaissance Philosopher Montaigne regarding the effect of change and revolution.
The Temper of Our Time; Eric Hoffer; Page 8.
“We are misfits when we have to fit ourselves to a new situation. And misfits live and breathe in an atmosphere of passion. We used to think that revolutions are the cause of change. Actually it is the other way around: change prepares the ground for revolution. The difficulties and irritations inherent in the experience of change render people receptive to the appeal of revolution. Change comes first. Where things have not changed at all there is the least likelihood of revolution.”
You have to commend Bannon for purposely and repeatedly putting himself in enemy territory. He’s good at holding his ground, staying on topic and not getting dragged into childish engagements over Trump which is what the left is perpetually looking to do. Bannon is a great warrior and spokesperson for the populist/nationalist cause.
Frum lost the debate, clearly, with so many empty motherhood statements and never really addressing why populism has become so popular. Depressing was the number of times the audience applauded Frum for simple-minded liberal talking points (to which at one point Bannon replied “I know you are trying to demonize us”). Frum was pathetic. Were there no Liberals available? Like Bob Rae (the lamb with 1980s glasses)?
I once saw Barbara Frum’s small Poodle defecate in a corridor at CBC….and a make up tech pick it up. Nothing against her, but that was the analogy Banon put forward.
Update: Saturday November 3 I received an email from the Munk debates (or should that now be called the Monk debates) saying there had been an error in their vote count. The outcome of the debate was – wait for it, ta ta ra tah – a draw and not a win for Bannon as previously announced.
Due to an equipment malfunction you understand.
The very stuff of Conspiracy Theories especially as dear little Frum did such a bad job of mouthing the standard liberal platitudes. How Frum can ever purport to be even remotely conservative is only something he and his God can work out.
On second thought,Frum styles himself a conservative,Just as our Progressive Comrades style themselves as “For the People”.
You just have to ask yourself the basic questions..
Conserving what? In Frum’s case his privileged position and in the PC’s case, Which people?
// Bannon wins the Munk Debate, swinging the audience from 28% to 57% in favour of the resolution: “be it resolved the future of western politics is populist not liberal” //
https://twitter.com/rudyardg/status/1058708820183171072
1/2 – important @munkdebate correction: there was a technical error last night at end of the debate. The vote tally operator displayed the results from the 2nd audience vote at the start of the evening measuring if people were open to changing their minds & not the final results.
2/2 – important @munkdebate correction continued: the final official audience vote on the resolution as 28% in favor – 72% opposed. Opinion in the hall was not swayed and such the debate is a draw. Our apologies for the confusion.
Before debate 28% pro 72% con AFTER debate 28% pro 72% con
Changed no minds: one could guess as much listening to people lining up to go in or protest Or by checking here.
“Technical error” ok yeah sure.
I can well believe there was a “malfunction” of some sort, as described. I watched the whole debate, and it sure seemed to me that the audience was of the “feels not facts” variety – lots of applause for Frum, tepid and grudging response for Bannon. That 28% would increase to 57% from that crowd was possible, but implausible.
How can anyone say Frum is a conservative with a straight face. This guy is a liberal 100%. He’d fit right in on Justin Trudeau’s cabinet.
james the deplorable disciple of kek
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/a-normal-persons-guide-to-how-far-right-trolls-talk-to-each
Frum has been a traitorous little leftist prick for a very long time. He was one of the first “journalists” in the early 90’s who attacked the wildly popular and succesful Reform Party as ignorant racist morons.
I just want to point something out here. Steve Bannon went into the belly of the beast, TORONTO the capital of Canadian liberalism and convinced nearly 30% of them to his side. Conservativism when properly presented is a winning strategy. Running as kind of a liberal but not really a conservative mushy middle like Scheer is going to do is just dumb.
I think Bannon could have easily swung the debate to his side by focusing on Ontario and Canada. Whereas Ontario threw out a leftist government that was destroying the province and bringing in a populist one by Doug Ford that actually is focused on making the lives of its citizens better. The Federal government run by a socialist Liberal that cares nothing about its citizens and intends to flood our country with immigrants that, in its view, that will keep it in power, which is all the left cares about. Both Liberal governments are elitist and only focus on their ideology caring nothing about consulting us citizens or caring about our future.
Interesting when you review the debate. At the 10’ 04” second mark after the question about are you willing to change your mind. The moderator says 57 to 23 but the screen shot shows 93 to 7. It flashes up for a split second.
So what are the real results?