March for Our Lives is on every cable channel, but who runs it? The photogenic teen fronts are out front. But it’s obvious to everyone that a bunch of teens don’t have the resources and skills to coordinate a nationwide movement. Instead it’s the experienced activists who are actually running things.
The March for Our Lives Fund is incorporated as a 501(c)(4). Donations to 501(c)(4) groups are not tax- deductible. And they don’t have to disclose donors. That’s why they’re a great dark money conduit.
But the March for Our Lives website suggests that donors who want to make a tax-deductible donation should write a check to the “March For Our Lives–Everytown Support Fund”. How will Bloomberg’s organization provide support for the supposed student group?
Why have two March for Our Lives Fund, one dark and one light? And why is one being routed through the godfather of the gun control lobby?
I don’t know that I’d call them “photogenic”.
As these kids filled the streets wailing about evil guns, did their ‘handlers’ actually forbid them from criticizing local law and the FBI, too? I understand activists are completely ignoring these major factors since they don’t help the narrative.
This stunted thinking is so typical of leftards, they seem hell bent on removing only honest citizens’ guns. At the same time, these dangerous hypocrites want borders wide open, you know, so the criminal element can be assured a steady supply of illegal guns to terrorize a hopefully soon to be unarmed citizenry. Insanity.
BTW, passing more gun laws just means deranged public shooters break more laws when they attack.
So it turns out only 200 000 showed up… LOL
I dunno, Kate. That pic of the kid doing the Nazi salute was worth a thousand words at least.
As if this pampered, shallow, vacuous crew has anything to teach us.
No, no, not the students – it’s the press I’m talking about.
The anti gun group(s) are not anti gun they are out to destroy the American constitution via de legitimizing the second amendment. Success there will not stop such groups as they believe America is evil since its existence and success puts a lie to their own pet beliefs of socialism international.
Do a Search for 42 West. they managed all of the press releases for all of the events with David Hogg
With unparalleled experience, contacts, and expertise, 42West is one of the leading full-service public-relations firms in the entertainment industry. …
… 42West grew to become the largest independently-owned public-relations firm in the entertainment industry. Both individually and as a group, the firm’s PR professionals have developed and executed marketing and publicity strategies for hundreds of movies and television shows as well as for countless individual actors, filmmakers, recording artists, and authors. In addition, we have also provided strategic counsel to a wide variety of high-profile individuals and corporate clients — ranging from movie and pop stars to major studios and media conglomerates — looking to raise, reposition, or rehabilitate their public profiles.
Such a fancy PR firm must be expensive. Who or what is paying for it? David Hogg’s lunch money?
I made a couple of investments in my younger days.
Instead of calling a broker.
I always consulted with a couple of 14-18 year old children in my neighborhood.
And this just came up: https://i.imgur.com/oD5vsBD.jpg
High school yearbook from California from 2015 with Hogg. Putting him at about 21 years old now.
Remember ! These are the same folks who brought us … “the most transparent administration in the history of America” … then proceeded to spy on American citizens, weaponize multiple government agencies against the the American people … lie about it all … cover it all up … take the 5th (repeatedly) … exonerate HER evil deeds … the list goes on.
Pull the masks off … and restore TRUTH to America. Although the faces behind the masks are decidedly unphotogenic.
There’s something creepy about that Hogg kid. First off, I’d like to se a full report on exactly how old he is, because there’s mixed information that this “kid” is actually 21 years of age or older. Should call him the “Dick Clark” of crisis actors because he doesn’t show his age.
Next, is it just me or does his boney physique remind anyone else that he looks like a cross between Family guy cartoon character, Quagmire, Democrat pervert Anthony Weiner and Clinton fanclub president, George Stefanopolous?
“That pic of the kid doing the Nazi salute was worth a thousand words at least.” I agree. That photo sure is reminiscent of Dr. Goebbels and a true face of those behind this. That kid could play that part in a movie.
L. Hill is right that this was a well planned and coordinated political event. The kids were just the front.
This series of naked power coup attempts of one sort or another will continue for all of Trump’s term and in his second term if he should win it. There is one type of attack after another. McConnell and Ryan are a part of the effort to take him down.
The American people as a whole have to realize that Obama and his Marxist thugs thought they had the cat in the bag and could continue the “fundamental change” to a socialist state through Clinton. The freedom of the US people is at stake as there is a sort of cold, at this point, civil war occurring.
If Trump voters lack any enthusiasm for the upcoming midterms, this is the cure. I suspect this will backfire badly on lefties. Hollywood speeches will work just as well as they did for Hillary.
here’s a q: if gun ownership and hunting and target shooting and collecting et al is sooooo popular in the US of A, howcum the NRA needs such a huge and deeply entrenched lobby to speak for them?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/17/nra-gun-lobby-gun-control-congress
I still think the rock bottom truth of it all is NRA thought consists of keeping a very wide ‘margin’ between what they have now as far as laws and regs, and what they really want. the ‘margin’ guarantees the laws will not encroach on the true collective wish list.
and they are willing to let the status quo take a ‘fee’ in dead bodies.
thus machine pistols and automatics and buying firearms at trade shows etc continue.
did the ‘right to bare* arms’ include military grade stuff? I dont think so.
*ya, ya, bit of humour there for the uninitiated.
The tell is always the phrase “gun show loophole”. Anyone using that phrase can simply be ignored, as there is simply no such thing.
As for people who make appeals to emotion, again, they can simply be ignored. Logical fallacy is a clear indication that the person does not have an actual argument to make. histoybuff is an example of this category, basically using the line ‘the Simpson’s’; “oh won’t somebody please think of the children”.
I think the same arguments are basically going to be used to argue for self driving cars. Has historybuff already used the line “and they are willing to let the status quo take a ‘fee’ in dead bodies” when arguing to remove human drivers? They are just so easy to see coming. Kind of boring.
America is deeply politically divided. This is quite obvious, however … in all my reading and listening … there are TWO topics that Americans overwhelmingly support. TWO issues that both left and right support. Animals and Gun Rights. For whatever reason, a vast number of left-leaning Americans support the 2nd Amendment in huge numbers. No, they probably don’t live in the big cities … but the NRA membership consists of both left and right leaning citizens. I suspect the leftists KNOW this quite well … which is why they are frantically attempting to destroy the UNITY between left and right on the “gun issue”.
According to some other sources I’ve run into, the idea that David Hogg is actually 21 has supposedly been debunked. I’m still trying to verify, one way or the other.
I see no possibility of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution ever being repealed, so if that’s the objective of these marches, dream on, kids.
Hey, I’m a foreigner, but even I can tell that the mechanism for any change to the US Constitution has been made quite deliberately difficult, time-consuming and onerous. It has obviously been made that way for a good reason: to avoid politicians frivolously stripping away rights with impunity. After all, if the Second Amendment can easily be repealed, why stop there if it’s suddenly deemed “necessary” to repeal some other right?
And that’s the philosophical problem that the hardline gun-control crowd always runs into: in the final analysis, they’re attempting to remove a Constitutional right. As they inevitably discover every time, it is so much easier to expand rights than to remove them.
“…and they are willing to let the status quo take a ‘fee’ in dead bodies.” – love the hysteria. Did you get that from the Guardian or is it from your own fatally compromised sense of principles of giving up liberty for the mirage of security? Without the NRA, the US would be as far down the rabbit hole as Canada or the UK with full confiscation just a few parliamentary terms away.
The only option for the George Soros clan is in Jonestown…. The dysfunctional twits think they can mess with the constitution… NOT happening
We need the guns for personal protection against these dysfunctional hoards….More Guns… faster… Nobody wants the .223 tiny fake bullets.. only.50 cal heavy….Hitting power that evacuates whole organs…
It won’t be long before these kids are tossed to the side by the Media/Dems and because of the Stormy tour it may in fact already be over. The HATE TRUMP Media have decided she is more likely to take down Trump and frankly WAY more “interesting” to cover. Sorry KIDS. Lets see… on one hand you have a bunch of teenagers lead by a kid that can’t speak without a couple of ‘F’ bombs every sentence and another kid that proudly wears a Cuban flag on her jacket screaming about revolutions and gun control. (Hmmm. Her history teacher must be so proud.) On the other hand, a PORN STAR. It’ll be interesting to watch when that spot light is turned off and they have to go back to being just students again. No more free trips, the hotels, the food. No more hanging with the politicians or giggling with the Media in between “serious” interviews. All that adulation GONE. It’s like taking a drug away from the addicted and that usually doesn’t turn out too well. Now to be perfectly clear I sympathize with the kids that are affected by the shooting. That’s a horror they’ll never forget and it’ll likely haunt them forever. What’s disturbing is how they were so quickly and completely taking advantage of, not for their well being but for politics and ratings.
? hugely disproportionate gun related deaths in the US of A is ‘hysteria’?
far out.
well, sir, feel free to offer *your* opinion on the howcum NRA feels the need to bring a huge lobby into their realm.
and to kevin: feel free to debunk this link:
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html
or this one:
https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-show-laws-by-state-721345
and from that link:
“In 32 states, there are currently no laws — federal or state — regulating firearms sales between private individuals at gun shows.”
I think youre talking about requirements for licensed dealers, Im talking about the loosey goosey absence of regulations between *private* sellers.
how does this have anything with a goofy tv cartoon series?
try learning fcuking math BEFORE you honkoff
No powder no power.
Are these kid protesters future college professors, like the ones from Chicago? You know, the ones who vandalised property during the 1970s and should have gone to prison for those crimes. They were protesting America’s involvement in the Viet Nam war.
Odd,they were against Communism then.
I do remember their names but I refuse to scribe them here- in, thus giving them publicity for their crimes.
When I first read your post, I just thought it sure would explain him, but didn’t think more about it.
Upon reflection though, the whole thing becomes much more sinister.
I believe your link in that Hogg graduated from a California high school in 2015. That should be easily verifiable. Just ask the students in that graduating class.
The thing though, is this. I don’t think your link’s surmisal is correct. I think he did attend the Florida school, at least as a senior. Otherwise surely the other students would say that he is not a student there.
Putting the two together, it only makes sense if he has been a plant. Why else would someone who graduated from high school two years ago enroll in another high school? But why was he planted there?
The Broward county officials and school district kept a known dangerously deranged student in class. The Broward county officials did not even put his name in the registry so he cannot purchase a gun. The Broward county sheriff is known to be an anti-gun radical left winger. He told the deputies responding to the call to just hide behind the squad car. The school resource officer did not enter the room where he knew shooting to be taking place. The deputy assigned to the school saw fit to sleep in the squad car. And afterwards, up pops this plant to speak for the whole student body. He has plenty of financial and PR support, including the media.
All these only point to one thing. The deranged shooter was a time bomb planted in the school by Broward county. A time bomb allowed to purchase a rifle. The sheriff department and student resource officer made sure they will not interfere when the time bomb goes off. (That is why they were so angry at the two SWAT officer for trying to mess up the whole thing. Obviously the latter were not in on the conspiracy.) Afterwards, up pops the planted 21 year old who is immediately acknowledged to be the spokesman by all the media, whose new organization got 20000 people to DC to march.
All of that was to create and exploit a tragedy that will have the whole nation listening to the anti-gun conspiracy “for sake of the children.” Too bad they did not plan on another nut trying to shoot up another school, but was foiled by a good guy with a gun. Of course you hardly even hear about that from the MSM.
Call me paranoic, but I really don’t see any other logical explanation for this whole chain of events that led to the tragedy and its aftermath, especially how to explain the person who rose to prominence through all of that, David Hogg. The fact that his dad had been a swamp creature definitely factors in all these.
“…did the ‘right to bare* arms’ include military grade stuff? …?
Yes, it did, historybuffoon.
The exemplar of firearms technology was the muzzle loading flintlock. Most military guns were smoothbore muskets, not very accurate, fired in volleys by massed ranks of soldiers at opposing massed ranks of soldiers. Rifled guns were more accurate at longer ranges, allowing the user to stand off out of the effective range of muskets and hit individual targets. The rifle was more expensive but preferred by civilians if they could afford it because they used them primarily for hunting and because in defense it was better for a single person or small group to be able to hit a threat farther away.
In the laws operating at the time when the U.S. Constitution with its Second Amendment written there was no distinction between rifles and muskets, nor between edged weapons such as knive/daggers, swords, bayonets, tomahawks. When the authorities prohibited the colonists’s possession of firearms they included all types. When the Constitution recognized the right of citizens to possess arms it meant all types.
“When the Constitution recognized the right of citizens to possess arms it meant all types.”
You betcha. The militia preamble doesn’t mean that only the military should have guns. It means that the people should have military type guns.
Historybuff said: “did the ‘right to bare* arms’ include military grade stuff? I dont think so.”
Define “military grade” if you please. Please compare and contrast with “hunting grade.”
But before you do, be aware that current Canadian military issue is .223 caliber, otherwise known as 5.56 NATO hardball. The Geneva Convention prohibits the use of hollow point or other types of expanding ammunition.
People do not use that NATO hardball for hunting any animal larger than a rabbit, because the animal will not die right away after being shot. It will run away, and then you have to follow it for miles until it finally bleeds out. Very non-humanitarian.
Canadian military issue rifles are basically the M-16 tarted up a bit with some Canadian specific hardware. The operating system etc. is identical to the AR-15, all that is different is some of the furniture, and that full-auto selector.
Nobody hunts anything bigger than a coyote with an AR-15 because they are TOO SMALL. If you wanted to kill a deer with one, you’d need to shoot it in the head. (This is very hard to do.) They are perfect for prairie dogs, ground hogs and similar pests. The military uses them because they tie up two soldiers and a medic treating every wounded guy. Dead guys are much less trouble for armies to look after.
I will see your “military grade” poodle gun and raise you a lever action Marlin in 45-70. Or grandad’s plain Jane .303 Lee Enfield Mark 1. Or a 1915 Mauser in 8mm. A nice pump shotgun, perhaps. Or a .338 Lapua bolt action rifle that can kill a moose from a distance of half a mile or more. Very, very non-military.
That’s “hunting grade.”
As to the gun shows, there are -federal- regulations on those. You go to any of those 37 states and try to buy a gun at a gun show, or sell one, and see what happens. Try the Crossroads of the West show in Phoenix, that should be good for a giggle.
“? hugely disproportionate gun related deaths in the US of A is ‘hysteria’?
far out.” – No, what is hysteria is equating such statistics to one variable, that being the efficacy of the NRA in keeping US elected officials in line. Gun-related deaths have more to do with variables such as socio-economic and significantly race-related factors such as touched on in the Prager U clip above. If it was as simple as guns and gun ownership, the Swiss and Finns would have killed off half the planet.
Rapper Who Performed at Gun Control March Arrested Last Year on Concealed Handgun Charge
http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2018/03/26/rapper-performed-gun-control-march-arrested-last-year-concealed-handgun-charge/
I swear. the word ‘hypocrisy’ was removed from leftard’s dictionaries years ago.
Can’t take the leftie media seriously, when they use a PORN STAR as an example of their duplicitous morality.
This coming from the rainbow/crossdressing/mentally unstable/lifestyle networks that drone on and on about how ‘normal’ those groups are.
Total, faux outrage!
Every firearm back then was military grade.
Just to keep things interesting:
https://gellerreport.com/2018/03/pulsejihad-fbi-informant-dad.html/
did the ‘right to bare* arms’ include military grade stuff? I dont think so.
Considering that the first cannon used by the Continental Army were, in fact, borrowed from private owners, and that one could put as many cannon as one wanted on one’s private ship, yes, yes indeed it did, and does. One would think a “history buff” would actually know some history.
“…The military uses them because they tie up two soldiers and a medic treating every wounded guy. …”
That part is not true. Although the care of wounded is a claim on battlefield resources and the whole support apparatus behind, wounded soldiers often continue fighting and this is not nearly as desirable in an enemy as the behaviour of dead soldiers.
Smaller calibre cartridges like the 5.56mm NATO were adopted post-WWII because the fighting soldier and his logistic support can carry a lot more of this ammunition, giving him more firepower, and because the relatively low recoil makes it easier for almost every soldier to shoot more accurately.
These kids have grown up in a world where it’s normal to have groupthink in class, normal to be constantly surveilled, and normal to be patted down before boarding a flight. Normal for police to do whatever they want without repercussion. They’re conditioned.
“did the ‘right to bare* arms’ include military grade stuff? I dont think so.”
The Kalthoff rifle
The Puckle Gun (1718)
the Girandoni Air gun (1779)
the Belton flintlock (1777)
the Brown Bess
Cannons, Mortars, grenades, swivel guns, and various other sundry weapons of war, up to and including well armed ships (ex. 600 ton 26 gun Caesar of Boston) were privately owned and operated.
THe anti-federalist who wrote as “the Federal Farmer” said:
“A militia when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves, and render regular troops in great measure unnecessary. The powers to form and arm the militia, to appoint their officers, and to command their services, are very important; nor ought they in a confederated republic to be lodged, solely, in any one member of the government. First, the constitution ought to secure a genuine [ ] and guard against a select militia, by providing that the militia shall always be kept well organized, armed, and disciplined, and include, according to the past and general usage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms; and that all regulations tending to render this general militia ― useless and defenceless, by establishing select corps of militia, or distinct bodies of military men, not having permament interests and attachments in the community is to be avoided. …To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them….”
but please, continue to argue from a position of ignorance, much the same way the “righteous” gun controllers do.
David French on ignorance and ‘gunsplaining”.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/in-defense-of-gunsplaining/
One gets the impression that all too many members of the media and all too many activists don’t want to know anything more about guns. They’ve made the decision they need to make — guns are bad — and the rest is a distraction. To them, the gun-control argument isn’t a technical argument at all. It’s fundamentally a moral argument, and in this moral argument the actual effectiveness of any given law is less important than its intent — or at least its ability in some way to chip away at American gun culture.
Yet Americans don’t give away their freedoms so willingly. And they’re especially unwilling to limit their liberties in response to arguments based in ignorance, sprinkled with condescension and moral superiority. So law-abiding gun-owners respond by “gunsplaining,” and they find that when they gunsplain, they tend to win. Ignorance is a plague, and the gun-rights community is eager to provide the cure.
oooooh lookie lookie. right wingers everywhere lamenting when the leftoids gang up on some ‘voice in the wilderness’.
and then proceed to do the same thing when someone disagrees!!!
far out. looks like more *humahn nature* at play than any ideology.
and do tell mr antichrist, wtf ‘maths’ you talking about?
…especially seeing that his father is a retired FBI special forces member (his mother used to be FBI, too, according to a report.)
“Smaller calibre cartridges like the 5.56mm NATO were adopted post-WWII because the fighting soldier and his logistic support can carry a lot more of this ammunition, giving him more firepower, and because the relatively low recoil makes it easier for almost every soldier to shoot more accurately.” Tooner
HA! Ha! HA! You are an idiot… the 22 hornet .223 cal is not what solders need to defend themselves… You can carry lots of bee-bees and scare
the children with automatic NOISE… It is an ineffective military weapon and useless for self defense.. I had a 22 hornet & it was better than a .22 LR for dear, but for my life..nope… get real. The anti war folks pulled a fast one.. You are Naked & unarmed…
A .50 cal is used for sniping.. one shot & one kill….NO scary automatic noise needed
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=50+cal+sniper+rifles&qpvt=50+caliber+sniper+rifle&FORM=IGRE
ah, *military grade stuff*. from the 1700s.
ummm, to clarify, I was referring to MODERN DAY ‘military stuff’ that can spew 100s of rounds a minute. equipped with laser scope, recoil dampening and whatever the blazes the engineers and scientists have in their kit bag. unless, any here claim all THIS existed in 1776 as well . . .
or mebbe the Founding Fathers *knew* it would exist in the 21st century, and thus the ‘right to bare arms’ for that weaponry in the hands of CIVILIANS. oyph.
so why DOES that stuff *have to* land in the hands of oh, hunters? and likewise therefore readily available to criminals ‘just because’?
because the NRA wants a big. fat. margin-of-error between what they REALLY want and what is currently allowed. that’s why.
kinda like the oxnobious neighbor next door with the booga booga rap music at 200 decibels 24/7.
better the property line be, oh, say 5 kms other side of the river.
my my this is a very sensitive subject. an uninvolved bystander might note the vitriol as opposed to a polite rational debate.
veddy sensitive sujete n’est pas?
ah, “freedom of the press” from the 1700’s.
ummm, to clarify, MODERN DAY communication stuff can spew out billions of bytes every second, going anywhere in the whole world, to millions of people all at the same time, unless you claim all THIS (sic) existed in 1776 as well.
or mebbe the Founding Fathers *knew* it would exist in the 21st century, and freedom of the press doesn’t just mean the Gutenberg press.
No, the Founding Fathers had no idea what the press or arms would develop into, but they were not talking about specific implementations, but the freedom to express oneself, and to protect oneself.
But I may be barking up the wrong tree, and you don’t believe in freedom of the press as well, at least not in the hands of the wrong people. After all, even that noblest of Thomas Jefferson’s ideals, the meritocracy, has had the “toxic” tag applied to it.
You are right about, “They’ve made the decision they need to make — guns are bad — and the rest is a distraction. To them, the gun-control argument isn’t a technical argument at all. It’s fundamentally a moral argument, and in this moral argument the actual effectiveness of any given law is less important than its intent — or at least its ability in some way to chip away at American gun culture”.
Their ultimate aim is the abolition of all gun rights and the eventual confiscation of all firearms from private owners.
Your thoughts on this are somewhat different from those of professional soldiers who deal with it in real wars.
The original M-16 sucked. We called it a toy gun made by Mattel.
It would jam in sand and moisture, and Nam was full of sand and moisture.
But after they upgraded it and fixed the lousy 20 round clips, much better weapon.
Anyway….
The AK-47- 7.62 Russian full metal jacket could shoot through small trees and turn your ass into a bloody rag.
We had to hit primary body organs and get behind bigger trees.
“equipped with laser scope”
What exactly is that?
“recoil dampening”
Zoinks! Whatever will civilization do with all that “recoil dampening” out there on the streets?
I used it in a different country in S.E. Asia and in Central America. The 5.56 ammo we had went through very big softwood trees in those places. It is said that proper cleaning wasn’t emphasized enough in U.S. service in the early years, and making the ammo with a more appropriate powder significantly improved the reliability of the M16. The use of the less apt powder initially seems to have been an economy measure – they had lots of it in the system and assumed it would be o.k. This is reminiscent of the U.S. ordnance system insisting on a .30 calibre replacement for the .30-06 cartridge in the search for a NATO standard cartridge post WWII, because the arsenals had lots of tooling that wasn’t worn out, leading to the adoption of the M14 and the FN FAL, both of which were found in actual service to be not effectively controllable in full-auto fire, thus negating one of the desired features of the service rifle requirements.
We had a similar outcome with the SA80 – a good concept, but put into service without sufficient field trials to discover shortcomings (as much or more from sacrificing production quality for economy as from design isssues) but in later iterations it was a good weapon.
I trained in the Canadian and then in the British armies on their respective versions of the FAL, then toward the end of my service was one of two platoon commanders running the first course of infantry basic training to use the SA80. The marksmanship standards had been raised in anticipation of the new weapon making it easier to pass the test, but our actual results were so good they raised the standard again afterwards. (The 4x optical sight was a big help, but comparison with the L1A1 SLR equipped with a very similar 4x sight, and with the AR15s in limited service, it was clear the lighter recoil of the 5.56 cartridge made shooting much easier.)
The problem with the “moral superiority” argument is that … EVERY single Law-abiding gun-owner in America is already MORALLY-superior to the leftist twits who work to undermine the US Constitution … undermine the foundation of America.
May God damn Wayne Lapierre. Amen.
see? see how the leftists do it? exactly THIS tactic, I suggest certain points to ponder and a leftoid will quickly POUNCE as in this case and suddenly, WITH NO PRIOR MENTION IN THIS THREAD, I’m suddenly ‘opposed to freedom of speech’.
left right up down here there back and forth, the only thing sudden about this thread is the suddenness at which HUMAHN NATURE comes into play, aka believe what they want to believe, ego paramount, make it personal etc etc.
where the FCUK did I say ANYTHING against freedom of speech? NOWHERE.