.@mattgaetz: "The allegations contained in this important intelligence document go to the very foundations of our democracy and they require an immediate release to the public in my opinion." pic.twitter.com/kqjxp21GcA
— FOX Business (@FoxBusiness) January 18, 2018
A four-page memo circulating in Congress that reveals alleged United States government surveillance abuses is being described by lawmakers as “shocking,” “troubling” and “alarming,” with one congressman likening the details to KGB activity in Russia.
Speaking with Fox News, the lawmakers said they could not yet discuss the contents of the memo they reviewed on Thursday after it was released to members by the House Intelligence Committee. But they say the memo should be immediately made public.
“It is so alarming the American people have to see this,” Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan said.
“It’s troubling. It is shocking,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows said. “Part of me wishes that I didn’t read it because I don’t want to believe that those kinds of things could be happening in this country that I call home and love so much.”
Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz said he believed people could lose their jobs after the memo is released.
“I believe the consequence of its release will be major changes in people currently working at the FBI and the Department of Justice,” he said, referencing DOJ officials Rod Rosenstein and Bruce Ohr.
“You think about, ‘is this happening in America or is this the KGB?’ That’s how alarming it is,” Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry said.
The House Intelligence Committee on Thursday approved a motion by New York Rep. Pete King to release the memo on abuses of FISA, or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, to all House members.
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The vote Thursday morning on releasing the memo to lawmakers was along party lines, with Democrats voting against making it available for all members.
On topic: the senate just passed legislation that lets the USG do more spying. Trump is sure to sign it, because he’s an authoritarian.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/fisa-reauthorization-senate-vote/index.html
This isn’t an ‘FBI’ problem. This encompasses the NSA and America’s government as well as various other governments. Edward Snowden for president.
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they talkin about the oBOMBa’s enormous DOMESTIC surveillance programs?
using equipment inherited from the dubya regime?
“they ALL do it”.
If the dems don’t want this memo released there must be something in it that would be kryptonite to their favorite narratives. Even more damning than Hillary.
Fan meet Sh*t.
As far as they all do it, it is something we all know but there is a matter of degree to it.
One gets the feeling, the entire facade is crumbling, and they can no longer do anything about it.
If Obama buys a house in a non-extradition country…
This is it. This is the beginning of the End.
I’m going to buy futures in nooses as they’re going to be in short supply soon!
One big difference between the dems and republicans regarding surveillance. (not that I agree with either form). The dems/left do it to further their political power over domestic rivals in the political arena. The republicans do it to ostensibly fight terrorism.
The very definition of RAW intelligence being used by LAWYERS without scruples is UNETHICAL & ILLEGAL….Lock them up
The Raw data is collected in ways that MAY prevent it from been used as evidence in a Court of Law, but Comey (FBI) & Brennan (CIA) unmasked Americans & provided that information to the MSM, destroying individual reputations & future careers
The Judges in the FICA Courts must also be prosecuted along with the MEDIA… WAPO CNN etc
Do we actually have CIA ppl on the Ground, or are they all Lawyers who just buy information from Foreign contractors….
JMHO
Living in a surveillance state is one of the benefits of Diversity. When you have diverse elements who all want to kill each other and overthrow the government, and millions of agents of foreign powers who claim citizenship then commit treason against their new “homeland”, surveillance is going to a necessity, lest the diversity breaks out into open warfare like it has everywhere else in the world all through history.
That’s a lie. Living in a surveillance state is one of the effects of having a large number of people obsessed with foreigners corrupting the purity of your country, and those people claiming to give a crap about freedom.
“the diversity breaks out into open warfare like it has everywhere else in the world all through history.”
Except for you know almost everywhere, particularly Canada and America.
well jb, regardless of why either party/department/organization/individual/whatever does it, the info gleaned from massive surveillance WILL in some way and time of its own in the future, wind up in the hands of some party/organization/etc that is going to make use of it for selfish reasons not connected whatsoever with the law/regulation/court order/ etc that legalized it.
‘follow the money’ is a great place to start, only in this specific situation, because you’re being surveilled, the power system money boyz are going to know and shut you down in an ‘electrical fire that destroyed the entire contents of the building’.
and THIS is why I am totally against the kind of surveillance going on in britain for instance. millions of cameras peeking into each cranny. ‘smart’ TVs that ‘look’ at YOU, etc etc:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/if-you-have-a-smart-tv-take-a-closer-look-at-your-privacy-settings.html
“Except for you know almost everywhere, particularly Canada and America.”
Wait for it.
Whatever way you look at it, FISA is likely here to stay. Google and Facebook keep similar information, so if you get rid of FISA, get rid of the others as well.
What matters is oversight and enforcement of the rules. We’ll be seeing that FISA was weaponized against Trump and many other Americans. FISA might even have interesting information on Hillary, or has she switched to using shortwave radio?
Unthing, you in here trying to out stupid Stradivarius. Sevailance is the result of authoritarian governments trying impose their will on a population which is rejecting that will. If you had ever been in a socialist state, you would know what I’m saying. In old days the communists used a ‘ratting” system, now they use electronics because a camera is cheaper and less corruptible
“Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz said he believed people could lose their jobs”
Unless, of course, they retire first with full pension. Gosh, this is serious!
This won’t even be news in a week except on Fox. CNN will go on with its “All Trump, all the Time” schtick and nothing will change. The two sides are too firmly entrenched.
Ever read a book Unme?
It would be nice to think there could be some real accountability handed out, but that’s extremely unlikely.
Nobody important in Washington goes to jail. Nobody.
There will be a couple of ritual minor demotions or early retirements from Clinton stooges like McCabe and maybe Rosenstein, but no actual punishment.
The media will say there were some minor lapses in bureaucratic rule-following, move on, nothing to see here. And then everyone will go back to doing what they were doing before.
And that’s the thing, isn’t it … who actually BELIEVES that employees at the FBI or DOJ independently decided to spy on ONE political party and/or candidate? On their own volition? That they were NOT acting on orders and directions … from above. I want ALL their scalps. Up and down the ENTIRE swampy food chain.
Drain the GAWDDDDaMMMNnnnneddd Marxist, Leftist infection! Lance the boil on America’s ASS (sorry Lance). And cancel the damnnned Obama LIEbrary. Or, redesign the Obama obelisk as a black hole in the ground … a real shithole for a LIEbrary.
There … I feel better (for tonight).
It’s gonna take HRC in cuffs to get MSM to cover this.
Only then will they admit to Hillary’s ailing health while they plead for clemency.
Americans cannot allow these career swamp rats, who ratted-out fellow citizens … because they didn’t like their politics … to collect a dime of pension or retirement $$. If their penalty allows them to collect the people’s $$$ after a weekend at Club Fed … there will be a bloody revolution in this country.
Until you take away secret ballot, and tie voters to the criminals they elect, not much is ever gonna change. If you want it to stop, the people who voted for the people who did this, have to be rounded up. The people who voted for this, have to be put into the same prison yard with the criminal they elected. The elected criminals lose the secret service details, they lose the favors, the friends.
Here we go again, like clockwork, the libtard troll is diverting attention towards Trump’s hypothetical police state and completely ignoring the documented abuses by his dhimicrat masters.
I’m reminded that SHE is the smartest woman in the world. Well, I cannot WAIT to hear HER defense against subverting our Democracy for HER personal gain. My guess? SHE is going to suffer a sudden fainting and coughing episode.
What did we do with the Nazis after a quick trial at Nuremberg? Yeah, Americans gonna be in THAT kind of mood.
And again … Thank you God. For seeing, but not waiting. You gave the USA and the entire world the greatest gift since your Son. You delivered US from HER evil.
Agreed. Also Gaetz: “I believe there will be people who will go to jail”
It’s not hypothetical. We’re in it.
“Wait for it.”
You’ll be waiting forever.
“You’ll be waiting forever”.
Oh, I wasn’t referring to ME, leftard. 😀
So far the inly thing in is eight years of weaponing the government against citizenry by Hussein Ogabe al-Chicago and his junta. That is the point, that is the topic and go f*** yourself with your pathetic attempts to divert attention towards evil Trumphitler (he’s just like Bushhitler but with worse hair … yes we heard it all before).
I am so worried that the Dems come back in 7 years and reverts the U.S.A. back to Obamaland #2. Your present enthusiasm is catchy, but be wary and cautious. Trudeau is the new Obama and tomorrow our place will be Venezuela, no jobs, no food, starving people. I am sick with worry. This place is getting trashed and people don’t see it yet. Rejoice for now but prepare for 7 years from now. I wish Trump would invade this place to save it from the swamp that we are in and will never get out of. This is how the great Samuel Adams felt circa 1770s. Taxation without representation is not a country you want. I don’t believe they even bothered to count the ballots last Fed election.
( Sam had a bar in Boston and was John Adams’cousin)
Waiting for what – for you to same something comprehensible? Yes, good point, I would be waiting forever.
But, I’m not waiting because I already know you will never say anything remotely logical or useful.