Wingnuts want to go back to the middle ages with all the disease that entails.
The popular trend of raising backyard chickens in U.S. cities and suburbs is bringing with it a soaring number of illnesses from poultry-related diseases, some of them fatal.
Since January, more than 1,100 people have contracted salmonella poisoning from chickens and ducks in 48 states, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Almost 250 were hospitalized and one person died. The toll was four times higher than in 2015.
Idiots.
” Some treat their birds like pets, kissing or snuggling them and letting them walk around the house.”
Heh heh heh.
Good news.
Sounds like Liberal hen-humpers are doomed.
“Some treat their birds like pets, kissing or snuggling them and letting them walk around the house.”
And, in the case of Liberals, into their beds…..
Read the article Lance, compare that to 1 million falling ill each year from food and 300 deaths. Eating food. Idiots.
“Farm to table” … “Locally sourced” … how much MORE virtue-signaling can you get than providing most of your own food in your backyard ? Personally … I heartily endorse the practice … as natures way of picking-off a few eco-leftists as Darwin predicted.
Inexperienced, suburban animal husbandry is NOT the same thing as FARMING. Having worked for the longest, hardest, most back-breaking summer of my life on a REAL working FARM … I know the difference. And personally ? I much prefer the modern division of labor, specialization, and supermarkets … for my food supply.
Hey clown….how many people have died from NOT eating? And let’s not forget one of the main petri dishes for a flu pandemic is from living in close proximity to birds.
Grew up on the farm. Hated it. But lived.
WASH your hands before handling eggs.
WASH the eggs before bringing them into the house.
WASH your hands again.
COOK the eggs properly. HOT.
ok, not just the left. I am a huge booster for having urban chickens. I also grow alot of my food, can it, dehydrate and preserve it. I do this for several reasons. 1) I know exactly what is fueling my family. Exactly what chemicals are not in my family anymore. 2) I am somewhat insulated from the inflationary prices of certain foods. 3) If my hubby falls ill or gets laid off, we will still eat for a very looooooong time. 4) I know that the Government stinks in an emergency. We all need to be able to take care of our own when sh!t goes down. There is risk associated with everything in life, even getting out of bed. 1 death? not so scary…
Fairly rural where I live…farms across the highway, and wilderness behind that. 1/2acre lots here, and keeping chickens ia a royal p.i.t.a. for the neighbours who don’t. The rats attracted to the chicken pens don’t stay there, they move into OUR yards! %^#@^^!!!
We ain’t seen nothing yet. Just wait until Trudope’s pot legalization comes in and there will be urban farmers in apartment buildings with their own little grow-ops. How the hell do we regulate that?
Reminds me of the old fella who raised goats, even had them in his house. Somebody complained and the health department came to inspect…told him it wasn’t healthy to have goats in the house.
His reply, “never lost a one yet…”
Hmm must be a lot of Larry Flynn fans.. the real birds, he had a statue of his first chicken
Same here…although with the caveat: you have to know how to raise and care for the chickens, gather and clean the eggs correctly, dispose of the manure
I’ve seen a lot of urban hipster types who didn’t know the first thing about animal husbandry; always wondered how they didn’t give themselves food poisoning…or kill off every last one of their chickens (or other livestock if they go in for hobby farming).
Same thing with their gardens.
I had chickens for a while, and really liked the fresh eggs with the deep yellow orange yolks. Of course I knew that you had to wash the eggs when you brought them in the house, but it was no big deal. Maybe if I did it again, I would pasteurize them using a sous vide. Easy to do without cooking them, surprisingly. Unfortunately, I lived where neighbors let their dogs roam, and so all of my chickens were killed.
Meanwhile..
https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html
Every year, Salmonella is estimated to cause one million foodborne illnesses in the United States, with 19,000 hospitalizations and 380 deaths.
Idiots.
Mikey, try context and scale, idiot!!
Well you are then aren’t you – revelling in your ignorance. There’s a reason why backyard animal husbandry was banned years ago -people got sick and died. Your quaint little imaginings is what got us back into this mess.
Yes Gord me and my quaint little chickens are a menace and a threat to you and all your loved ones. We MUST be stopped or you could just grow a pair and leave us alone..
Seriously, who cares? If it helps to thin the liberal herd we are all the better for it!
The same folks who think keeping chickens in an urban environment is swell will no doubt also side with irresponsible dog owners who let their animals crap anywhere and don’t clean up after them. Pretty much the same level of nuisance, except the dogs kill rodents, not attract them.
(I’m not knocking dogs; had them all my life…love’em! But I do clean up after mine.)
We have a small hobby farm and have a small flock of chickens.Wife grew up on a farm so she knows her way around. We don’t take any special precautions other than to wash the eggs. On the other hand our neighbor also has chickens except she DOESN’t wash her eggs. Doesn’t seem to make a difference.
Other Salmonella carriers: Turtles, frogs, lizards and snakes. You can buy any of these at a pet store or even at the local watering hole/pond/lake/river. People should educate themselves before getting any animal, they all have risks. As for the rats that can accompany your chicken flock? Get two kittens/cats and you are good for go, zap no rat issue.
Yes they are. Google chicken/human diseases. Millions have died over the centuries from them.
Perhaps you should read up on the outbreak that happened in china a few years back – it started from Small flocks and it was hell on wheels trying to track down allnof the urban flocks and eridicate them.
Typical conservatives like Lance and Gord: God forbid that people might choose to live their lives differently from you… unless they’ve immigrated at which point you’re okay with it.
Fredocons, the both of you.
There aughta be a law!!!
I love these threads. We get to see who the libertarians are and which of you are sheep.
There appears to be a lot of sheep.
Ironic that we have people ridiculing the asinine organic food clowns now supporting the same practice with livestock which is a CSR more hazardous activity for us all.
So you support people throwing their fecal material into the street? Even sane libertarians understand that public health laws are necessary in a civil society.
I’m personally always thrilled when someone has a fear and needs a way to force someone else to cease an activity in order to feel better…. China Gord China? that’s your example? that bastion of modern hygiene…. insert visual of eye rolling right here…
That reminds me of the spectacle I saw in downtown Vancouver several years ago. It seems there was a property at Granville and Robson right downtown where a building had been demolished and there was some issue with new ownership and redevelopment. So after the property sat vacant for a while, a cadre of West End lefties took it upon themselves to go and plant a frigging communal vegetable garden in the vacant lot! I kid you not! There were all these diesels armed with rakes and hoes charging back and forth trying to coax this toxic hardpan into growing something. Eventually the new owner got wind of it and threw a big fence around the perimeter and threw away all their gardening crap. I mean good grief! Do you have ANY idea what sort of toxic nasty is lurking in the soil of a demolition site? Not ONE damn clue amongst them.
Yes China. Small flocks used to be a hazard here many years ago before they were outlawed. What happened in China were they weren’t is a reminder of why they were and should be outlawed.
Yeah. I “tipped” this at the 9TH COMMENT on Reader Tips last night.
Oz | October 20, 2017 1:47 AM | Reply
New home/back-yard chicken rearing fad can lead to serious infections:
https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/19/backyard-chicken-disease/
Thank goodness the City of Toronto just legalized this new trend in their municipality.
(maybe the Oldsters had a reason for banning the practice?)
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WT actual “F” is WRONG with you, Lance? Is this the”honour” that they taught you while serving in Her Majesty’s Canadian Navy?! or do you request tips but not bother to read them at all?
What is the POINT of providing TIPS if you don’t read them or worse, STEAL them without a Hat Tip?
This goes beyond the negligence of leaving carefully crafted comments caught in the FECKING FILTER that you never CHECK. This is IGNORING the TIPS that readers/commenters provide for you “assuming” you are too busy to develop your own.(but NO, low and behold, EH?!)
feck you and feck me
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-20/latest-fear-mongering-about-self-sufficiency-salmonella-backyard-chickens
Latest Fear Mongering About Self Sufficiency: Salmonella in Backyard Chickens
The general population has a risk of about 1 in 320 of getting salmonella in a given year. That means if there are more than about 320,000 people who keep chickens in their backyards in the USA, they have a lower risk than the general population of contracting salmonella.
There aren’t very reliable statistics on how many people in the U.S. keep chickens for personal use. But a 2013 survey estimated .8% of American households keep backyard chickens. That means about one million households keep chickens. Going with the average household of 2.58 people, you could say perhaps 2.5 million people live in a household that keeps backyard chickens.
If these numbers are even close to accurate–or even off by a factor of five–that means the risk of salmonella is actually lower for backyard chicken farmers than for the general population!
I encourage champagne socialists everywhere to Darwin themselves off the voter roles. Problem is, dead people always vote Democrat anyway…
A biologist buddy of mine brought home a pair of painted turtles for his kids. They named the turtles Sam and Ella…..
Re-read Lance’s post. Wondering now if he wasn’t being sarcastic with his who do people think they are growing their own food. Next thing you know people will think they can grown some tomatoes in the backyard or can breed dogs outside of a puppy mill or change the oil in their car themselves! Imagine, doing something for yourself without a government quota or license! We are back in the middle ages!
I think I get it now. Darn leftist nanny state types.
Sorry, but Gord is right on this one. Chickens were banned from urban environments for the same reason sewer systems were created – public health.
There are numerous examples of asinine bureaucratic government overreach, but this is NOT one of them. Chickens in populated areas are a MASSIVE disease vector.
Salmonella is nothing compared to the many diseases capable of passing from chickens to humans (and back) – which was the reason for the ban, not salmonella. Salmonella is nothing.
(Additionally, chickens attract more rats – another disease vector and public nuisance).
Once again – there are *good* reasons to ban chickens in urban environments. Before you tear something down, first learn why it exists.
That reminds me…I wonder how the ‘raise rabbits to stave off famine’ scheme is going in Venezuela?
“We ain’t seen nothing yet. Just wait until Trudope’s pot legalization comes in and there will be urban farmers in apartment buildings with their own little grow-ops. How the hell do we regulate that?”
Outlaw all house plants.
That should work. And be very popular.
“which is a CSR more hazardous activity”
Completely serious reservation?
What does this have to with Corporate Social Responsibility? Boy, am I confused! Lol
Hate to break this to you, but you’re not safe in either situation. Some backyard enterprises are not at all carefully thought out nor implemented, which equals “can get really sick”. And some industrial operations are not following proper antibiotic protocols (not at all), which equals “breeding super-bugs, can make people really sick”.
Personally, I don’t have a problem with either style, as long as it’s done sensibly, but that isn’t happening. Either one is doing a grand job right now of creating the conditions for disease.
Grew up on a small farm, have backyard chickens (I don’t like in a condo though), and have worked for one of the largest pork producers as well — and the problem there isn’t the application of antibiotics, but the incorrect storage and use of the same (leave penicillin out in a farrowing room, when it’s shared along with the needle on 100+ sows; it kinda isn’t useable anymore — just an example; I got fired because I whistleblowed on that too by the way; rodent, and cockroach, problem? that too, you betcha, comes from not properly storing the feed, which came in from China, hehe,not conducive to healthy environment for those feeders)…the manager was a corrupt dummy; they were just as bad as the urban hipsters.
I’ve gotten kinda picky about where my food comes from: my place or some relatives’…I know how the animals and plants have been raised/grown and processed. Of course, living where I do I can do that…most can’t.
My experience has been that if a Reader Tip has appeared on a news aggregator, it likely won’t get a credit if posted. Probably half the people here, including Lance, read it before it showed up in RT. So it’s posted more to allow discussion than as “news”.
I grew up on a farm and my mother kept us alive cooking the crap out of everything. Vulcanizing eggs kills the salmonella which is present with birds raised outside.
Im still waiting for a link or sumptin spelling out critera used by the SDA filter.
so far, silence from management. my trick is to dice up the posting to narrow down the ‘offending’ part.
but still nothing to point the way.
sigh . . . .
otoh, Im real confooosed; regulation is an obscenity in the hard right, so when some enterprise or activity is allowed by civic officials, why the outrage from the right wing? ‘leftist leftist leftist’ bla bla bla.
captcha ‘Home FARM’ no duff!!!
chicken poop really stinks, really stinks.
Somebody up above mentioned sanitation issues: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/understanding-californias-hepatitis-a-outbreak
This is the Hep A “outbreak” in California. 16 people dead last time I looked, probably more by now.
I say “outbreak” in parentheses because it isn’t a frigging outbreak. It is a sanitation issue. Too many people throwing their poo and pee in the street.
And by too many I mean thousands of them in San Diego alone. No public showers or toilets, you see. Because public facilities like that get mobbed and destroyed in a matter of days. Magnets for crime. If you build it, They will come.
So now, you Libertarians and bleeding hearts, I want you to imagine the average Toronto suburb. Lots are 20′ to 40′ wide, no alley in the back, not much grass. Google Maps of Mississauga ought to provide graphic examples. Half the houses in the neighborhood have five chickens in a little coop in the back yard. They get let out for exercise every day. They scratch for worms and bugs in the grass, it is all very lovely. The people in the houses enjoy the eggs. Whee.
In Canada, we have this thing called Winter. Five months of the year the ground is frozen, and as we know from trips to the dog park, poo accumulates. In the spring, that can be a lot of poo. With dogs, you can pick it up, bag it and put it out to the garbage.
Chickens, not so much.
After the first spring rainstorm, the streets will be literally swimming with chicken manure. Also rat manure, because chickens bring rats.
So again, getting back to California where they don’t even have winter, or rain for that matter, 16 DEAD of the eminently preventable Hepatitis A. All you have to do is wash your hands to prevent it! 16 people dead. Okay?
Oh, and by the way. You know the quaint Oriental custom of taking off your shoes outside and wearing house slippers inside? You know why that custom grew up, and why it is such amazingly bad manners to wear your shoes inside the house? Because the streets were open sewers, and if you brought that inside with you your family would die. Because pigs, ducks and manure from the quaint little “farm” next door.
And that is why you can’t have chickens in a suburban area, you fricking incredible retards.
Heh, considering most city’s runoff goes into what they drink from, chickens are probably the least of their worries. All that dogsh!t and catsh!t, lawn chemicals…
For a fun lesson in how sewer systems work, visit the Toronto waterfront after a heavy rain.
Although, recently many cities have invested in a new technology called “water treatment.”
http://historicalhamilton.com/special-features/hamilton-civic-museums/hamilton-waterworks-pumphouse-%28steam-museum%29/
Even more fun, you confuse runoff and sewage…runoff from the storm sewers doesn’t get treated. You know, the run off out of the yards with all the dog and cat sh!t…and lawn chemicals, oil and salt off roads, etc.
https://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=fc8807ceb6f8e310VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=094cfe4eda8ae310VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD
storm sewers carry stormwater (rain and melted snow) directly to nearby waterways