Will Spain let them go? I think probably not.
Catalonia will declare independence from Spain in a matter of days, the leader of the autonomous region has told the BBC.
In his first interview since Sunday’s referendum, Carles Puigdemont said his government would “act at the end of this week or the beginning of next”.
Meanwhile, Spain’s King Felipe VI said organisers of the vote put themselves “outside the law”.
He said the situation in Spain was “extremely serious”, calling for unity.
Madrid is on the verge of creating a terrorist movement. If the leaders of the separatists are “outside the law,” can they be assassinated, put in concentration camps, death camps? What is the Idiot King thinking?
The EU itself is the universal acid that dissolves all European states, delegitimizing them and obviating the need for them. There is not one member of the EU that does not have a separatist movement of some kind. And if every European state disappeared and was replaced by a gaggle of autonomous regions, it would not affect the EU and its functioning in the least. That is the reality affecting Madrid and Paris and Berlin and Rome and …
UNITY??? diversity is our strength.
” . . . Spain’s King Felipe VI said organisers of the vote put themselves “outside the law”.”
Well, yeah, that’s how Portugal did it. Not to mention Switzerland, The Netherlands, the USA, India, et al.
It kinda goes with the territory of self-determination that you cease being determined by others.
The population of Catalonia is 7.5M.
The population of Alberta is 4.2M.
I hope we are as brave and independent as the Catalans. We too are tired of theft and incompetence from a distant and hostile central government. 4.2M is enough. Time to go.
Tribalism
My office is not in spain, but I’ve 3 spaniards.
2 are catalonians & 1 ‘true’ spaniard
Work is in a professional setting. However, they are not even talking to each other anymore. When I talk to them about the vote they all get quite emotional. I remind them about quebec and how there was violence but it was limited and more or less non-existent now. But then again, the rest of canada just wants quebec to shut up or get out and no-one would be bothered to drive to montreal to beat some frenchies.
Spain is not the same, there is a real push from madrid to punish catalonia. Both sides are very emotional and both are very driven. Full blown civil war unlikely, but there’s gonna be violence unless the EU steps up and actually performs its original intended purpose : prevent european war again!!
Speaking of Quebec, I wonder; is Catalonia a criminal extortion racket like Quebec? Are they only having separation referendums to extort things from the rest of Spain? Or are they actually serious? After being jaded by the extortion tactics of the criminal province of Quebec, I will wait and see.
Catalonia is Spain’s Alberta – wealth way higher than the rest of Spain. They carry the country economically.
We in Canada have no dog in this fight, BUT ……
Given the authoritarian tendencies of most European cultures I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Spanish military being sent in to try arresting leaders and forcing Catalonia’s capitulation. We could be watching a 21st century first-world civil war on prime time TV for the next several months, as substitute ‘entertainment’ for the now ignored NFL. Watching the real deal would beat watching Ken Burn’s PBS documentaries on the U.S. civil war or Vietnam.
Glad there has never be a Civil War in Spain. That would be bad. Wait.
I was wondering about that or is Kevin’s question at 9:49 part of the equation? Any background evidence for your comment?
If a central government is becoming too onerous as what is again happening in Canada then it should be the right of a part of the country to secede. Three very socialist cities effectively control Canada and again trying to destroy the economy of the hinterland.
While not having enough information to make a good call, I would offhand say to the Catalonians go for it. Just maybe this would also hasten the collapse of the Marxist EU.
A successful independence bid for Catalonia would likely hasten the demise of the EU.
How does the EU respect the territorial integrity of its member states while simultaneously admitting separatist regions of those states?
Answer: you can’t square that circle. The Spanish government would be absolutely right to question being part of an EU that supported its own dismemberment.
Other member states with various nationalist and regionalist groups will be watching this closely. Would France be all smiles with an EU that admitted Brittany to the fold?
There is only one law that never fails in international politics: The Law of Unintended Consequences.
The government in Madrid have the watches
But the Catalonians have the time.
“[T]here’s gonna be violence unless the EU steps up and actually performs its original intended purpose : prevent european war again!!”
And just how, pray tell, would the EU step up? What exactly should it do? Whose side should it take? Spain is a member state, so should it side with Spain? Should it side with Catalonia and thereby slight a member state? And if it decides on some neutral arbiter position, Spain and other member nations with internal separatist regions will start wondering why they should be part of an organization that is not committed to their territorial integrity and sovereignty.
Watch this space. It’s going to be interesting.
Love the irony of a referendum being classed as ‘undemocratic’.
“…And just how, pray tell, would the EU step up? ”
How will they meet this original intent is beyond me. I never believed that the original purpose to prevent another EU war was going to work (and somehow remain democratic). However, the EU promised just that to all EU citizens – now they need to do it.
If at its most basic role it fails, how the hell would anyone still be dumb enough to figure that it can meet any other obligation?
Madrid has been doing well using other peoples money. How dare the other people take their money and leave
Which side are the “Basque” on…They are also Known as ETA.. Impacts both Spain & France
The EU is like any other western bureaucracy, it’s main objective now is to simply expand it’s power and control while concentrating on managing it’s crises instead of solving them. Cripes, they are the sole reason for most of the erosion of European’s freedoms so far.
The EU is the last friggin’ group I would rely on to protect my sovereign rights, since they are one of the very organizations currently hellbent on destroying everybody’s.
Anyways, I doubt the EU will roll out an official position on Catalonia until they have checked with their Islamic advisers.
Since the Madrid government has already instituted violence by sending in the Gardia Civile, I suspect that a Catalonian response is going to be inevitable. Catalonia was the last Spanish province to fall during the civil war and it is likely it will be the first to secede. There are people still alive who remember the language (dialect?) being banned by the central government and cultural memories are long.
I think Canadians (and for that matter, Americans) would do well to take an arms length attitude to this issue and let Spain and Catalonia try to sort it out.
Amen Brother!
As the European union tries to control more. Freedom says splinter
How DARE you attempt to define “diversity”! The State will define it for you. The State will tell you what to believe! Do you honestly believe that YOU know more than the bureaucrats in Brussels ?! Time for you to “attend” a reeducation camp.
Captcha; CALLE polizia
As for Canada and the rightly disgruntled west.
I was a proud Albertan last time talk of western separation was popular and I was a skeptic then. Do you remember what virtually ended it? While we wanted out, the Reform Party said we wanted in, and most of us were gullible and hopeful enough at the time to convince ourselves that we were in for REAL reform and Eastern Canada did maybe give a flying f*ck about us.
Now, we certainly have learned better since, haven’t we?
At this time, some 25 yrs. or so later, even Alberta is chalk-full of left-thinkers. It’s bizarre recent political history aside, they didn’t vote in their current socialist government by accident. Even if separation could some day be achieved, how do Albertans expect to magically keep their libtards at bay when the rest of the entire free world couldn’t? Hmmmm? Even THAT aside, much of the damage done to Alberta these past years was done under the conservative banner!
Sorry, but I think that Western separation is for the foreseeable future impossible, for just Alberta, very very unlikely and ultimately pointless.
However, if your goal is just to eventually shovel your tax dollars to thieves in Edmonton rather than thieves in Ottawa, you may achieve success.
Very well said. Red PC party members voted this NDP government and our only chance at a real Conservative party decided to unite with those same Red Tories.
Alberta is just as super fudged under a UPC government as it is under an NDP government.
Jean is a red. Kenney is an apoligist muzzie lover. All the municipal governments are hard left. Alberta is fudged.
“Vietnam” wasn’t a civil war – it was a proxy war – just as the Spanish civil war in ’37 was.
Chalk-full of leftist thinkers?
It is more conservative today than it was when a red tory by the name of Lougheed came to power.
The next election will very likely see the UCP (which i bet will be renamed the Conservative party of Alberta shortly after the AGM) with Jason Kenney as leader with possibly the largest majority in AB history and the most conservative policy platform in Canadian history including thing like right to work that pinkos like Klein and Lougheed wouldn’t dare do (nor did they think they were good ideas).
My experience has been that people fleeing other more left-wing jurisdictions to come to AB for a better economic future are already conservative leaning or quickly become so. The real lefties predominantly in EDM are mostly homegrown.
GORD BULK….hahahahahahahahahahahaha
and hahahahaahahahahaha, is that libtard rectum reverend Manning still around. You tools out in newfberta don’t know what “conservative” means, yer as bad as ontarIowe
“Jean is a red. Kenney is an apoligist muzzie lover. ”
Jean is not a red and boo hoo you better get used to muzzies and muzzie lovers, that’s how it’s going to be forever. Tough sh*t.
“with Jason Kenney as leader with possibly the largest majority in AB history and the most conservative policy platform in Canadian history ”
Pffft. Kenney is a d-bag and there is no reason to believe he’d be ‘conservative’ at least in any good sense. I’m sure he’d put authoritarian tuff on krime laws in place, because he’s that kind of moron. Also, there’s no reason to believe that Jean isn’t going to kill it. Too bad, Schweitzer is better. Polls also show that Kenney is the only one who could blow it against Notley.
Great! I’ll just have to start ordering lots of free Quran’s they’ll burn nicely while I heat my house for the winter.