Yes. The same scientists who published Ancel Key’s as the Canada food guide, and started the obesity epidemic. The same scientists who gave Nobel prizes to Obama, Yasser Arafat, and the guy who lied (Hermann Muller ) about “no safe level of radiation”. The same scientists who ignored Yudkin and gave us Lysenko instead. The same scientists who said don’t eat butter, eat butter, don’t eat eggs, eggs are good again, use margarine, margarine is bad… The same scientists who have yet to indict Rachel Carson for crimes against humanity.
It seems the best course of action to take, when a scientist tells you to change your behaviour in some way, is generally to simply do the opposite. If it ain’t pure stem, like building a bridge or launching a rocket into a molniya orbit, safe to ignore the experts.
The same psychology that exists in the deluded individuals that brought you anthropogenic global warming/ human caused climate change has existed for decades in the stunningly ignorant physicians who assume that the population is made up of people with identical physiology. The analogy that occurred to me this morning was coming up with a recommended caloric intake for dogs based on the average weight of all dog breeds. Thus, the chihuahua would become morbidly obese on this “scientific standard diet” whereas the borzoi would starve. Only a fool would feed their dog based on the findings of such junk science.
I was lucky to have run into an excellent book, Biochemical Individuality, when I was an undergrad – decades before I decided to go into medicine. The author collected hunreds of examples of how animals and people differed substantially in their nutritional requirements and other quirks of their biochemical pathways. Back in the days when it was common for me to do 100+ mile bike rides in Ottawa heat, I consumed huge quantities of salt tables (and later inferred that I must have 1 copy of a defective chloride channel which 5% of individuals with N. European ancestry have) and thus can’t sweat out pure water even when being in very good physical condition). In the summer I crave salty foods and in winter use almost no salt as the same things that are very tasty in summer are far too salty in winter. This is an individual homeostatic system and as soon as I was told about needing to restrict peoples salt intake in medical school I knew it was BS and did get into a number of heated arguments with physicians who were more interested in practicing by concensus than by scientific principles.
During the time I’ve been in practice, I’ve run into very few patients with hypertension where one could identify a salt sensitive component. Salt restriction in congestive heart failure is reasonable but for uncomplicated hypertension I look for other reversible causes of which obesity is the primary one I get people to tackle.
One of the most hilarious examples of salt restriction causing harm in hypertensive patients is when hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) is used as part of the hypertensive regimen. One of the side effects of HCTZ is hyponatremia through inappropriate secretion of antidiuretic hormone. A quick treatment for mild hyponatremia in this case is to give people additional salt in the range of 3-5 gm/day above their usual requirements. This serves to increase their water output and I’ve seen patients in hospital who had stable blood pressure and serum sodium levels for years while taking HCTZ until they were finally convinced to cut their salt intake and came in with severe hyponatremia. This is a condition which can be fatal and now we just take people off HCTZ once this side effect is identified but these patients were self-treating the a drug side effect with salt. Another example of the bodies homeostatic mechanisms often being more intelligent than than many physicians who assume that concensus is more important than reality.
Another medical perversions is the concept of “public health”. This medical specialty started off as a very reasonable investigation into water borne diseases from contaminated wells and food. Now that this problem has been solved, instead of the discipline being retired, it has metastasized into an arm of the state which uses physicians to push statist agendas. A good number of the physicians who work in such fields are comitting malpractice but are protected by the state as having a physician supporting liberty reducing policies gives inane proposals the appearance of validity as, after all, a doctor has made the statement. Such physicians don’t treat individual patients, fortunately, as they don’t look at each patient as an individual but rather force them into the Procrustean bed of consensus medical “science” of how the “average” patient should be treated.
When I was a highly active 3-sport (17yo) HS athlete, my GP was shocked when I presented with high blood pressure. My 90lb, 80yo Grandmother also had lifelong High Blood Pressure. I assumed that I had inherited the trait. My GP on the other hand, told me to eat less pizza and crisps (for their high salt content). Regardless of my dietary restrictions, my blood pressure runs high. The only and best control for my high bp is Lisinopril (an ACE inhibitor). On this medication, my bp runs about as close to 120/80 as you can get. Salt in the diet? Doesn’t make a large impact in my readings. I tend to follow the science that can be demonstrated and recreated by actual experience and experiment. My body is the best “model” for demonstrating cause and effect of various inputs.
It’s probably a good thing that no one likely pays any attention at all to government dietary guidelines.
As usual, the allopaths treat the symptoms, rather than the disease. Not surprising, no monetary profit in treating the disease. Which is quite simple, remove insulin stimulating foods, sugars and carbs. Something that was known a hundred years ago to treat type 2 diabetes.
Carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient. https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/x-marks-spot-t2d-30/ Insulin increases the volume of blood in circulation by two mechanisms. First, insulin enhances sodium reabsorption in the kidney. Secondly, insulin stimulates secretion of anti-diuretic hormone, which helps reabsorb water. Together, this salt and water retention increases blood volume and thus causes higher blood pressure. Vascular tone, how much the blood vessels are constricted in increased by insulin by increased intracellular calcium and activation of the sympathetic nervous system.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/corruption-academic-medicine/
The corruption of academic medicine
Is it true? Would people start dying in droves if they all stopped their statins? Well, this paper answers that question. In France, an intense statin controversy in 2013 drove discontinuations of that drug up by 50% compared to 2012 and 2011. Lots of people died as a result, right? Not at all
No ‘Health Tragedy’ occurred despite the hysterical hand-wringing of doctors. There were 2000 LESS deaths in 2013. For heart disease deaths, there were 1200 LESS deaths. Yes, you read that correctly. There were less deaths when people stopped their medication. I can’t say that one resulted from the other, but certainly the predicted disaster never happened.
The general public is not stupid. They understand that many doctors are on the payroll of Big Pharma but are desperate to hide this fact. They understand that the people that should be the most expert – the university professors and the physicians at the teaching hospitals and the researchers who write the articles are the ones that are taking the most $$$. They’re trading their academic prestige for cold hard cash in a form of intellectual prostitution.
Of the 22 members of the Canadian Cardiovascular Society, 20 received money from Big Pharma. The CCS is responsible for writing all kinds of guidelines that doctors follow in the treatment of heart disease. Yet 91% of the doctors writing these influential guidelines are directly in the pay of Big Pharma. Not surprisingly, these guidelines heartily endorse the liberal use of statins. It should be in the drinking water! The very people who should be safe-guarding the public have sold them out.
Then, there’s the money being funneled in things like the impressive sounding Canadian Heart Research Centre, with many University of Toronto professors. This is really just a money-laundering operation of the pharmaceuticals. All the big drug companies pour millions of dollars into this ‘Research Centre’ which produces thinly disguised infomercials aimed at your local physician.
This guy says it better than I with a caution some should be aware of:
“First of all most of what Dr.Fung says is theory and just as any diet it will differ individually and has to be evaluated over time. I can only warn of any hype, just because he is convincing to a laymen. And yes, combining low carb and and fasting is just another diet, and no, his approach to put type 2 diabetics on a diet isnt new, it’s standard procedure.
2nd of all, all that is said about diabetes refers to type 2 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes has only one solution and that is exogenous insulin for life and fasting will potentially kill you.
Concerning diabetes type 2 Dr.Fung promotes his dietary approach as anti-diabetic (it may or may not be). However one thing is certain: once your type 2 diabetes has advanced so much that your pancreas cant produce adequate levels of insulin anymore (resp. your functional beta cells are highly reduced), fasting can be fatal.”
However one thing is certain: once your type 2 diabetes has advanced so much that your pancreas cant produce adequate levels of insulin anymore (resp. your functional beta cells are highly reduced), fasting can be fatal.”
Nonsense, bariatric surgery is the enforced fasting and immediately reverses type 2 diabetes… https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fatty-pancreas-t2d34/
The insulin secreting beta cells of the pancreas were clearly not ‘burnt out’. They were merely clogged with fat! They merely needed a good cleaning out. What is shocking is that it only took the removal of 0.6 grams of pancreatic fat to reverse type 2 diabetes.
In addition to fatty pancreas, type 2 diabetic patients differs from non diabetics by the presence of fatty liver. Eight weeks after bariatric surgery, this liver fat had decreased to normal levels accompanied by normalization of insulin resistance.
There is Type 2 Diabetes and there is Type 1 Diabetes
I know it goes against your common erroneous practice of conflating the 2 and lumping them together statistically but they are 2 separate health problems. The warning against fasting if you have Type 1 Diabetes is not something dreamed up by the medical establishment. If you have Type 1 diabetes fasting could cause your demise.
Type 1 diabetes has only one solution and that is exogenous insulin for life and fasting will potentially kill you.
Not true either…monitored intermittent fasting is quite safe. Also has the beneficial effect of using less insulin, constant high levels of which are very harmful to the body. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17367310/
CONCLUSIONS:
Persons with Type 1 diabetes can participate safely in prolonged fasts provided they reduce their usual insulin dose significantly and adhere to guidelines regarding glucose monitoring and indications for terminating fasting.
“….glucose monitoring and indications for terminating fasting”
I read your link and those 50 odd type 1 diabetics participating in the study wished to fast for religious reasons while being strictly monitored. Good grief. You would think that those with type 1 diabetes have enough problems without an additional monitoring procedure pertaining to a strict adherence to their religion.
The only “danger to public health” is that their government subsidies might be cut off.
This is another example of un-settled science. It is immoral to base government policy – which by definition is coercive – on scientific knowledge which is always subject to change, as we see practically every week.
Also see Loki’s last paragraph above. “Public health” is an anti-concept designed to lull the populace into complacency about government authority.
Heh, almost everybody, including type 1 diabetics, fast at least a third of the day. It’s called sleeping…contrary to popular belief, continual grazing isn’t necessary.
As if ‘sleeping’ has anything to do with the matter at hand.
Your own linked study found that even with constant monitoring of the 56 type 1 people who wished to fast, fully 33% were unable to complete the fasting. Yes fasting for some type 1 diabetics is possible but is it practical or viable in the larger population?
One of the impediments to better health outcomes for diabetics is often their nonchalant attitudes towards their own health.
It is more just confirmation bias there I am thinking. Any problem you took to a hot rod enthusiast, he is going to give you a custom car solution. Any problem you take to Orange County Choppers, will involve custom motorcycle parts. Any problem you take to an architect, will need a building…
Any problem you present to the Hermes at the central bureaucracy, will of course need more money, people, regulations, …, to solve.
Read this again, and tell me who’s being ‘nonchalant” with people’s lives… https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/corruption-academic-medicine/ No ‘Health Tragedy’ occurred despite the hysterical hand-wringing of doctors. There were 2000 LESS deaths in 2013. For heart disease deaths, there were 1200 LESS deaths.
Redirection? What happened to your important study about type 1 diabetes and fasting:
“Of 56 subjects who intended to fast, 37 (65%) were successful. Individuals terminated their fast in the presence of either hypoglycaemia or hyperglycaemia”
As for ‘hysterical hand-wringing’ maybe that comes from being told by their type 1 diabetic patients that doctors don’t know anything because some site on the internet told them their type 1 diabetes could be cured by fasting.
…some site on the internet told them their type 1 diabetes could be cured by fasting.
No, but type 2 is cured with fasting. As is proven by the almost 100% cure rate of type 2 with the enforced fasting of bariatric surgery.
Yes. The same scientists who published Ancel Key’s as the Canada food guide, and started the obesity epidemic. The same scientists who gave Nobel prizes to Obama, Yasser Arafat, and the guy who lied (Hermann Muller ) about “no safe level of radiation”. The same scientists who ignored Yudkin and gave us Lysenko instead. The same scientists who said don’t eat butter, eat butter, don’t eat eggs, eggs are good again, use margarine, margarine is bad… The same scientists who have yet to indict Rachel Carson for crimes against humanity.
It seems the best course of action to take, when a scientist tells you to change your behaviour in some way, is generally to simply do the opposite. If it ain’t pure stem, like building a bridge or launching a rocket into a molniya orbit, safe to ignore the experts.
“If it’s science, it isn’t settled. If it’s settled, it isn’t science.”
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2017/06/aliens-cause-global-warming-by-michael.html
The same psychology that exists in the deluded individuals that brought you
anthropogenic global warming/human caused climate change has existed for decades in the stunningly ignorant physicians who assume that the population is made up of people with identical physiology. The analogy that occurred to me this morning was coming up with a recommended caloric intake for dogs based on the average weight of all dog breeds. Thus, the chihuahua would become morbidly obese on this “scientific standard diet” whereas the borzoi would starve. Only a fool would feed their dog based on the findings of such junk science.I was lucky to have run into an excellent book, Biochemical Individuality, when I was an undergrad – decades before I decided to go into medicine. The author collected hunreds of examples of how animals and people differed substantially in their nutritional requirements and other quirks of their biochemical pathways. Back in the days when it was common for me to do 100+ mile bike rides in Ottawa heat, I consumed huge quantities of salt tables (and later inferred that I must have 1 copy of a defective chloride channel which 5% of individuals with N. European ancestry have) and thus can’t sweat out pure water even when being in very good physical condition). In the summer I crave salty foods and in winter use almost no salt as the same things that are very tasty in summer are far too salty in winter. This is an individual homeostatic system and as soon as I was told about needing to restrict peoples salt intake in medical school I knew it was BS and did get into a number of heated arguments with physicians who were more interested in practicing by concensus than by scientific principles.
During the time I’ve been in practice, I’ve run into very few patients with hypertension where one could identify a salt sensitive component. Salt restriction in congestive heart failure is reasonable but for uncomplicated hypertension I look for other reversible causes of which obesity is the primary one I get people to tackle.
One of the most hilarious examples of salt restriction causing harm in hypertensive patients is when hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) is used as part of the hypertensive regimen. One of the side effects of HCTZ is hyponatremia through inappropriate secretion of antidiuretic hormone. A quick treatment for mild hyponatremia in this case is to give people additional salt in the range of 3-5 gm/day above their usual requirements. This serves to increase their water output and I’ve seen patients in hospital who had stable blood pressure and serum sodium levels for years while taking HCTZ until they were finally convinced to cut their salt intake and came in with severe hyponatremia. This is a condition which can be fatal and now we just take people off HCTZ once this side effect is identified but these patients were self-treating the a drug side effect with salt. Another example of the bodies homeostatic mechanisms often being more intelligent than than many physicians who assume that concensus is more important than reality.
Another medical perversions is the concept of “public health”. This medical specialty started off as a very reasonable investigation into water borne diseases from contaminated wells and food. Now that this problem has been solved, instead of the discipline being retired, it has metastasized into an arm of the state which uses physicians to push statist agendas. A good number of the physicians who work in such fields are comitting malpractice but are protected by the state as having a physician supporting liberty reducing policies gives inane proposals the appearance of validity as, after all, a doctor has made the statement. Such physicians don’t treat individual patients, fortunately, as they don’t look at each patient as an individual but rather force them into the Procrustean bed of consensus medical “science” of how the “average” patient should be treated.
When I was a highly active 3-sport (17yo) HS athlete, my GP was shocked when I presented with high blood pressure. My 90lb, 80yo Grandmother also had lifelong High Blood Pressure. I assumed that I had inherited the trait. My GP on the other hand, told me to eat less pizza and crisps (for their high salt content). Regardless of my dietary restrictions, my blood pressure runs high. The only and best control for my high bp is Lisinopril (an ACE inhibitor). On this medication, my bp runs about as close to 120/80 as you can get. Salt in the diet? Doesn’t make a large impact in my readings. I tend to follow the science that can be demonstrated and recreated by actual experience and experiment. My body is the best “model” for demonstrating cause and effect of various inputs.
It’s probably a good thing that no one likely pays any attention at all to government dietary guidelines.
As usual, the allopaths treat the symptoms, rather than the disease. Not surprising, no monetary profit in treating the disease. Which is quite simple, remove insulin stimulating foods, sugars and carbs. Something that was known a hundred years ago to treat type 2 diabetes.
Carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/x-marks-spot-t2d-30/
Insulin increases the volume of blood in circulation by two mechanisms. First, insulin enhances sodium reabsorption in the kidney. Secondly, insulin stimulates secretion of anti-diuretic hormone, which helps reabsorb water. Together, this salt and water retention increases blood volume and thus causes higher blood pressure.
Vascular tone, how much the blood vessels are constricted in increased by insulin by increased intracellular calcium and activation of the sympathetic nervous system.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/corruption-academic-medicine/
The corruption of academic medicine
Is it true? Would people start dying in droves if they all stopped their statins? Well, this paper answers that question. In France, an intense statin controversy in 2013 drove discontinuations of that drug up by 50% compared to 2012 and 2011. Lots of people died as a result, right? Not at all
No ‘Health Tragedy’ occurred despite the hysterical hand-wringing of doctors. There were 2000 LESS deaths in 2013. For heart disease deaths, there were 1200 LESS deaths. Yes, you read that correctly. There were less deaths when people stopped their medication. I can’t say that one resulted from the other, but certainly the predicted disaster never happened.
The general public is not stupid. They understand that many doctors are on the payroll of Big Pharma but are desperate to hide this fact. They understand that the people that should be the most expert – the university professors and the physicians at the teaching hospitals and the researchers who write the articles are the ones that are taking the most $$$. They’re trading their academic prestige for cold hard cash in a form of intellectual prostitution.
Of the 22 members of the Canadian Cardiovascular Society, 20 received money from Big Pharma. The CCS is responsible for writing all kinds of guidelines that doctors follow in the treatment of heart disease. Yet 91% of the doctors writing these influential guidelines are directly in the pay of Big Pharma. Not surprisingly, these guidelines heartily endorse the liberal use of statins. It should be in the drinking water! The very people who should be safe-guarding the public have sold them out.
Then, there’s the money being funneled in things like the impressive sounding Canadian Heart Research Centre, with many University of Toronto professors. This is really just a money-laundering operation of the pharmaceuticals. All the big drug companies pour millions of dollars into this ‘Research Centre’ which produces thinly disguised infomercials aimed at your local physician.
This guy says it better than I with a caution some should be aware of:
“First of all most of what Dr.Fung says is theory and just as any diet it will differ individually and has to be evaluated over time. I can only warn of any hype, just because he is convincing to a laymen. And yes, combining low carb and and fasting is just another diet, and no, his approach to put type 2 diabetics on a diet isnt new, it’s standard procedure.
2nd of all, all that is said about diabetes refers to type 2 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes has only one solution and that is exogenous insulin for life and fasting will potentially kill you.
Concerning diabetes type 2 Dr.Fung promotes his dietary approach as anti-diabetic (it may or may not be). However one thing is certain: once your type 2 diabetes has advanced so much that your pancreas cant produce adequate levels of insulin anymore (resp. your functional beta cells are highly reduced), fasting can be fatal.”
However one thing is certain: once your type 2 diabetes has advanced so much that your pancreas cant produce adequate levels of insulin anymore (resp. your functional beta cells are highly reduced), fasting can be fatal.”
Nonsense, bariatric surgery is the enforced fasting and immediately reverses type 2 diabetes…
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fatty-pancreas-t2d34/
The insulin secreting beta cells of the pancreas were clearly not ‘burnt out’. They were merely clogged with fat! They merely needed a good cleaning out. What is shocking is that it only took the removal of 0.6 grams of pancreatic fat to reverse type 2 diabetes.
In addition to fatty pancreas, type 2 diabetic patients differs from non diabetics by the presence of fatty liver. Eight weeks after bariatric surgery, this liver fat had decreased to normal levels accompanied by normalization of insulin resistance.
There is Type 2 Diabetes and there is Type 1 Diabetes
I know it goes against your common erroneous practice of conflating the 2 and lumping them together statistically but they are 2 separate health problems. The warning against fasting if you have Type 1 Diabetes is not something dreamed up by the medical establishment. If you have Type 1 diabetes fasting could cause your demise.
Type 1 diabetes has only one solution and that is exogenous insulin for life and fasting will potentially kill you.
Not true either…monitored intermittent fasting is quite safe. Also has the beneficial effect of using less insulin, constant high levels of which are very harmful to the body.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17367310/
CONCLUSIONS:
Persons with Type 1 diabetes can participate safely in prolonged fasts provided they reduce their usual insulin dose significantly and adhere to guidelines regarding glucose monitoring and indications for terminating fasting.
“….glucose monitoring and indications for terminating fasting”
I read your link and those 50 odd type 1 diabetics participating in the study wished to fast for religious reasons while being strictly monitored. Good grief. You would think that those with type 1 diabetes have enough problems without an additional monitoring procedure pertaining to a strict adherence to their religion.
The only “danger to public health” is that their government subsidies might be cut off.
This is another example of un-settled science. It is immoral to base government policy – which by definition is coercive – on scientific knowledge which is always subject to change, as we see practically every week.
Also see Loki’s last paragraph above. “Public health” is an anti-concept designed to lull the populace into complacency about government authority.
Heh, almost everybody, including type 1 diabetics, fast at least a third of the day. It’s called sleeping…contrary to popular belief, continual grazing isn’t necessary.
As if ‘sleeping’ has anything to do with the matter at hand.
Your own linked study found that even with constant monitoring of the 56 type 1 people who wished to fast, fully 33% were unable to complete the fasting. Yes fasting for some type 1 diabetics is possible but is it practical or viable in the larger population?
One of the impediments to better health outcomes for diabetics is often their nonchalant attitudes towards their own health.
It is more just confirmation bias there I am thinking. Any problem you took to a hot rod enthusiast, he is going to give you a custom car solution. Any problem you take to Orange County Choppers, will involve custom motorcycle parts. Any problem you take to an architect, will need a building…
Any problem you present to the Hermes at the central bureaucracy, will of course need more money, people, regulations, …, to solve.
Read this again, and tell me who’s being ‘nonchalant” with people’s lives…
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/corruption-academic-medicine/
No ‘Health Tragedy’ occurred despite the hysterical hand-wringing of doctors. There were 2000 LESS deaths in 2013. For heart disease deaths, there were 1200 LESS deaths.
Redirection? What happened to your important study about type 1 diabetes and fasting:
“Of 56 subjects who intended to fast, 37 (65%) were successful. Individuals terminated their fast in the presence of either hypoglycaemia or hyperglycaemia”
As for ‘hysterical hand-wringing’ maybe that comes from being told by their type 1 diabetic patients that doctors don’t know anything because some site on the internet told them their type 1 diabetes could be cured by fasting.
…some site on the internet told them their type 1 diabetes could be cured by fasting.
No, but type 2 is cured with fasting. As is proven by the almost 100% cure rate of type 2 with the enforced fasting of bariatric surgery.