33 Replies to “We Don’t Need No Flaming Sparky Cars”
In other breaking news; water runs downhill.
I predict I will have my electric car on exactly the same day as my flying car is delivered.
I recommend two documentaries on the subject: Who Killed the Electric Car?”: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_8
and its follow-up; Revenge of the Electric Car”: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1413496/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_11
I found the first one to be rather boo-hoo whiny as General Motors was portrayed as being the baddie for withdrawing its first attempt at an electric car from the market. The second one was better in that it concentrates on companies such as Tesla as well as the actual hardware.
The latter leaves the impression that the successful development of an electric car is not an easy task (one private developer loses his vehicle and his facilities in a garage fire), but it holds out the hope that it might happen some day.
My bets on flying cars.
Not as much fun as riding the hawg.
The documentary so beloved by CBC that they have aired it countless times.It cannot be said often enough despite all the government nudging, hectoring and outright gifts consumers line up in droves to avoid buying electric vehicles.
In the meantime, forklift trucks continue to run on electricity.
In another life I ran a powerjack moving pallets in a packing plant. With being plugged in overnight and at lunch plus maybe a bit more during the day I could run off and on all day. I had certain other duties and chain smoked in the crapper. The future of electric is cheap lead/acid batteries in light vehicles in seasons without snow. The Tesla model is so much crap.
I will not drive a forklift to work or to do groceries.
Kevin, there were only two times in my life where some notable person answered an E-Mail from me;
One was Shadoe Stevens a former FM Jock I used to listen to back in the 70s because I had forgotten
a title to a song he frequently played back in the olden days. The other was a nationally syndicated
science writer, Michael Fumento.
I recalled a story I read back during the first Gulf War about there being 500 years of proven oil
reserves in the world. I suggested that before that 500 years came to pass, we would find a crap-load
of new wells, but even if that was a firm deadline, technologies that we can only imagine would rise
that would negate the use of “so-called” Fossil fuels. Your post triggered my memory. I further
stated that by the time that 500 years were up we would likely be driving cold fusion powered flying
cars like the one George Jetson drove.
I even went so far as to add a textual version of a sound effect:
BDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.
He responded by telling me that he did not remember that particular story, but that my assessment was
probably correct in that some as yet unknown technology would replace the Internal Combustion Engines
before the deadline expired.
These coal powered cars they call electric vehicles could not even exist without the massive taxpayer
subsidies. Even if the infrastructure existed, who is going sit on their asses for several hours in
order to charge one of these turds on a long distance vacation? Hey kids, pack your crap, we are
taking a trip to New York or Washington DC. We should get there in 2-3 weeks!
Yes, John Lewis. In fact, lots of things run on batteries. However, usually with limitations. People keep missing the fact that batteries have had decades of need-driven advancements, just as ICE engines have. There has never NOT been a demand for more and longer lasting power, and faster recharging times. Plus, most of those advancements have come while battery power isn’t constrained by a load of regulations heavy enough to sink a Nimitz-class carrier. In fact, even while constrained by emissions regs that often hinder aims of greater efficiency, internal combustion engines keep moving the bar, that battery power has to achieve, ever higher.
I will not drive an electric forklift to go out for dinner. (propane is ok, but only for takeout)
And,, no to electric forklifts for;
Taking the dog to the vet
Picking up dry cleaning
Meals on wheels volunteering
Canvassing for my not so conservative MP
Doing the monthly dump run
Doing the weekly Costco run
Propane forklifts, with winter tires where appropriate, have a better carbon footprint than battery (or extension cord models) for the above uses that I approve of.
Re: the mockumentary “who killed the electric car” … there is no question (in the minds of the tinfoil coiffed, eco set) about who killed the electric car. BIG OIL killed the electric car. Just as BIG OIL killed the nuclear car powered by the Mr. Fusion reactor. You see … BIG OIL … bought up all the patents for a variety of perpetual motion machines that ran on clean air and clean water, and then assasinated the inventors so nobody could ever duplicate their world changing inventions. All so BIG OIL could keep charging all you poor people an arm and a leg for powering your disease-causing, foul, filthy, Co2 spewing, carbon-positive, nasty automobiles. Oh ! And BIG OIL created the suburbs … so everyone would have to DRIVE to work. Oh, and BIG OIL has tried to STOP every “high speed” train project ever proposed.
This is quite similar to the belief that BIG PHARMA bought up all the “natural” medicines that had cured cancer … and every other disease known to mankind. How BIG PHARMA has tried to STOP every marijuana legalization law … because they KNOW that marijuana is a natural “medicine” that cures nearly every ailment afflicting mankind.
Au contraire!! I would LOVE to drive an electric forklift to my local grocery store … skewering every slow-poke driver with HILLARY bumper stickers … and picking out a prime parking spot by picking up whatever car is currently occupying MY parking spot.
“We won’t allow terrorism to change who we are. And that’s a mistake.” And we shouldn’t let technically illiterate greens make us jump through hoops in generating power, building cars, buses, and trucks, and so forth. Aside from being illiitrate they are insatiable. Outlaw, regulate to death, etc. is their creed.
In the 19th century the French grew tired of one revolution after another. Finally, in 1871 a government came to power in France that was prepared to do something about the left. In fact, in one week, it killed every leftist it could get its hands on.The week has been known ever after as Bloody Week. The low estimate is that 7000 were killed. At one point the Seine literally ran with blood.
It worked, for a while. The conduct of WWI (leading to a decisive but very destructive French victory) was not impeded by leftists. Come back they did, of course – and so we find, in 1940, a leftist labour union striking and shutting down the Farman plant, which built military aircraft. The French Republic had about 6 months to live, at that point.
A modern Semaine Sanglante would be helpful. Fortunately the left in the US is preparing for a massive confrontation with us. The sooner the better.
Most of the forklift trucks I’ve seen run on propane.
FYI GM’s first attempt at an electric vehicle was curca 1890. The electric car has been under continuous development for over 100 years.
You’re correct, of course. I should have been clearer by stating that the EV-1 was its first attempt at an electric car in recent times.
Much of the advantage of electric cars and hybrids has been due to weight reduction and drop in performance. I would like to see an electric truck tow 8,000 lbs across Canada mid-winter.
Electric vehicles replacing the bulk of fossil-fuel powered vehicles any time soon is simple fake news.
I see Tesla as no different than any other modern “green power” fantasy. They’ve been drenched in subsidies, made grand projections, lost gobs of money, under-produced all those projections and their product still can’t come close to matching the daily or seasonal practicality of those powered by gas/diesel. That, and they are shamelessly promoted by the msm, celebs, elites, etc.
To my eye, Musk’s company seems to have the financial integrity of a house of cards. Ha, here’s a free business tip for everyone…. NEVER give a deposit to any company that NEEDS said deposit to afford to build your car.
I saw WKTEC on CBC as well. Poor sales of the EV-1 plus less than satisfactory performance were cited, as I remember, as reasons GM not only stopped making them but recalled them as well. I believe that they didn’t actually sell them but, instead, leased to customers, which was why it could get rid of all of them.
Many of those customers were Hollywood celebrities and they were the ones who pointed fingers at GM. (Why isn’t that surprising?)
I too have been a little jaw-dropped/gobsmacked lately by the promotion/repetition of the myth of imminent inevitability of the end of the fossil fuel vehicle. Having traveled a fair bit over the years around the third world, often outside the wealthy traveler’s bubble, I noticed that many billions of very poor people, increasingly more of them in dense urban clusters, and having no hope of ever having a reliable and sufficient electrical supply, are utterly dependent for the necessities of life on millions of carbon-burning clunkers hauling in their food etc. Such a staggeringly large and costly transformation of their fundamental infrastructure ain’t going to happen.
My conclusion was that the transformation to electricity-powered transportation is promoted by the usual bunch of global elitist fascists. They only really see a sort of London, New York, LA global vision, they don’t care and don’t even think about the condition of most of the world’s population.
The biggest problem with the EV industry is that government subsidies and other supports prevent us from being able to predict just when to short their stock.
Imagine thousands of these things lined up in the ditch during a snow storm……no heat…nothing.
The chatter about electric forklifts is interesting. We have one in our plant, and it is a beautiful piece of equipment. However, it has the exact characteristics that a car can’t have. The extreme weight of the battery is what is required in a forklift for counterbalance weight (propane ones have a big cast iron weight). Also, it runs inside so no DIRECT emissions are happening, it is never more than 1500 ft from a charger, and it runs on a very tight schedule. All things that are inconvenient for a car.
H
give me an electric vehicle that will travel 1000kms at 130km/hr and recharge in less than five minutes and I will use it. captcha (eurolidi engine).
Today I am driving from southern Ontario to Halifax. I could do it in 18 hours with nothing more than two 15 minute pit stops if I chose. I wonder how long it would take in an electric car?
Technology may have changed since I was involved but a well run electric forklift operation used to require 3 batteries per truck to run efficiently and maintain battery life. One on the truck, one on charge and one on rest, 8 hours each in a 3 shift operation. Not sure but I think propane is still more popular than electric, more lifting power, faster travel. Electrics are mainly used in food plants and the like where particulate emissions aren’t allowed.
…unless the forklift truck runs on propane.
I will not drive a forklift to work or to do groceries. …unless the forklift truck runs on propane.
You have to have the right forklift, like the 160HP, 547 ft lbs torque, 6 cylinder diesel 10K ATFL (All Terrain Forklift).
Air conditioning standard, rifle rack optional.
about a week and a half, but you could get drunk every night and never have to take a breath test. captcha (avenue Michelin)
So one guy complains about the rent seeking in the electric car industry, after what, 9 million years? But government run education, electricity, health care, roads, traffic systems, building codes, … are all still just peachy.
Hey, government is your friend 99% of the time! 99% of what they do is with the best of intentions! Intentions and feelz are all that matters!.
All we have to do is get rid of the one bad apple…
Now that I think of it, Brad Wall. Is “50% unreliable power by 2030” Brad Wall actually doing anything towards that goal, or is he just lying to steal a small percentage of the moron vote? Lying is all politicians ever do…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar
Did that documentary mention Sebring-Vanguard Inc.? I have never finished watching that Stephen Moore movie, too new speak agitprop for my taste.
In other breaking news; water runs downhill.
I predict I will have my electric car on exactly the same day as my flying car is delivered.
I recommend two documentaries on the subject: Who Killed the Electric Car?”:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_8
and its follow-up;
Revenge of the Electric Car”:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1413496/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_11
I found the first one to be rather boo-hoo whiny as General Motors was portrayed as being the baddie for withdrawing its first attempt at an electric car from the market. The second one was better in that it concentrates on companies such as Tesla as well as the actual hardware.
The latter leaves the impression that the successful development of an electric car is not an easy task (one private developer loses his vehicle and his facilities in a garage fire), but it holds out the hope that it might happen some day.
My bets on flying cars.
Not as much fun as riding the hawg.
The documentary so beloved by CBC that they have aired it countless times.It cannot be said often enough despite all the government nudging, hectoring and outright gifts consumers line up in droves to avoid buying electric vehicles.
In the meantime, forklift trucks continue to run on electricity.
In another life I ran a powerjack moving pallets in a packing plant. With being plugged in overnight and at lunch plus maybe a bit more during the day I could run off and on all day. I had certain other duties and chain smoked in the crapper. The future of electric is cheap lead/acid batteries in light vehicles in seasons without snow. The Tesla model is so much crap.
I will not drive a forklift to work or to do groceries.
Kevin, there were only two times in my life where some notable person answered an E-Mail from me;
One was Shadoe Stevens a former FM Jock I used to listen to back in the 70s because I had forgotten
a title to a song he frequently played back in the olden days. The other was a nationally syndicated
science writer, Michael Fumento.
I recalled a story I read back during the first Gulf War about there being 500 years of proven oil
reserves in the world. I suggested that before that 500 years came to pass, we would find a crap-load
of new wells, but even if that was a firm deadline, technologies that we can only imagine would rise
that would negate the use of “so-called” Fossil fuels. Your post triggered my memory. I further
stated that by the time that 500 years were up we would likely be driving cold fusion powered flying
cars like the one George Jetson drove.
I even went so far as to add a textual version of a sound effect:
BDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.
He responded by telling me that he did not remember that particular story, but that my assessment was
probably correct in that some as yet unknown technology would replace the Internal Combustion Engines
before the deadline expired.
These coal powered cars they call electric vehicles could not even exist without the massive taxpayer
subsidies. Even if the infrastructure existed, who is going sit on their asses for several hours in
order to charge one of these turds on a long distance vacation? Hey kids, pack your crap, we are
taking a trip to New York or Washington DC. We should get there in 2-3 weeks!
Yes, John Lewis. In fact, lots of things run on batteries. However, usually with limitations. People keep missing the fact that batteries have had decades of need-driven advancements, just as ICE engines have. There has never NOT been a demand for more and longer lasting power, and faster recharging times. Plus, most of those advancements have come while battery power isn’t constrained by a load of regulations heavy enough to sink a Nimitz-class carrier. In fact, even while constrained by emissions regs that often hinder aims of greater efficiency, internal combustion engines keep moving the bar, that battery power has to achieve, ever higher.
I will not drive an electric forklift to go out for dinner. (propane is ok, but only for takeout)
And,, no to electric forklifts for;
Taking the dog to the vet
Picking up dry cleaning
Meals on wheels volunteering
Canvassing for my not so conservative MP
Doing the monthly dump run
Doing the weekly Costco run
Propane forklifts, with winter tires where appropriate, have a better carbon footprint than battery (or extension cord models) for the above uses that I approve of.
Re: the mockumentary “who killed the electric car” … there is no question (in the minds of the tinfoil coiffed, eco set) about who killed the electric car. BIG OIL killed the electric car. Just as BIG OIL killed the nuclear car powered by the Mr. Fusion reactor. You see … BIG OIL … bought up all the patents for a variety of perpetual motion machines that ran on clean air and clean water, and then assasinated the inventors so nobody could ever duplicate their world changing inventions. All so BIG OIL could keep charging all you poor people an arm and a leg for powering your disease-causing, foul, filthy, Co2 spewing, carbon-positive, nasty automobiles. Oh ! And BIG OIL created the suburbs … so everyone would have to DRIVE to work. Oh, and BIG OIL has tried to STOP every “high speed” train project ever proposed.
This is quite similar to the belief that BIG PHARMA bought up all the “natural” medicines that had cured cancer … and every other disease known to mankind. How BIG PHARMA has tried to STOP every marijuana legalization law … because they KNOW that marijuana is a natural “medicine” that cures nearly every ailment afflicting mankind.
Au contraire!! I would LOVE to drive an electric forklift to my local grocery store … skewering every slow-poke driver with HILLARY bumper stickers … and picking out a prime parking spot by picking up whatever car is currently occupying MY parking spot.
“We won’t allow terrorism to change who we are. And that’s a mistake.” And we shouldn’t let technically illiterate greens make us jump through hoops in generating power, building cars, buses, and trucks, and so forth. Aside from being illiitrate they are insatiable. Outlaw, regulate to death, etc. is their creed.
In the 19th century the French grew tired of one revolution after another. Finally, in 1871 a government came to power in France that was prepared to do something about the left. In fact, in one week, it killed every leftist it could get its hands on.The week has been known ever after as Bloody Week. The low estimate is that 7000 were killed. At one point the Seine literally ran with blood.
It worked, for a while. The conduct of WWI (leading to a decisive but very destructive French victory) was not impeded by leftists. Come back they did, of course – and so we find, in 1940, a leftist labour union striking and shutting down the Farman plant, which built military aircraft. The French Republic had about 6 months to live, at that point.
A modern Semaine Sanglante would be helpful. Fortunately the left in the US is preparing for a massive confrontation with us. The sooner the better.
Most of the forklift trucks I’ve seen run on propane.
FYI GM’s first attempt at an electric vehicle was curca 1890. The electric car has been under continuous development for over 100 years.
You’re correct, of course. I should have been clearer by stating that the EV-1 was its first attempt at an electric car in recent times.
Much of the advantage of electric cars and hybrids has been due to weight reduction and drop in performance. I would like to see an electric truck tow 8,000 lbs across Canada mid-winter.
Electric vehicles replacing the bulk of fossil-fuel powered vehicles any time soon is simple fake news.
I see Tesla as no different than any other modern “green power” fantasy. They’ve been drenched in subsidies, made grand projections, lost gobs of money, under-produced all those projections and their product still can’t come close to matching the daily or seasonal practicality of those powered by gas/diesel. That, and they are shamelessly promoted by the msm, celebs, elites, etc.
To my eye, Musk’s company seems to have the financial integrity of a house of cards. Ha, here’s a free business tip for everyone…. NEVER give a deposit to any company that NEEDS said deposit to afford to build your car.
I saw WKTEC on CBC as well. Poor sales of the EV-1 plus less than satisfactory performance were cited, as I remember, as reasons GM not only stopped making them but recalled them as well. I believe that they didn’t actually sell them but, instead, leased to customers, which was why it could get rid of all of them.
Many of those customers were Hollywood celebrities and they were the ones who pointed fingers at GM. (Why isn’t that surprising?)
I too have been a little jaw-dropped/gobsmacked lately by the promotion/repetition of the myth of imminent inevitability of the end of the fossil fuel vehicle. Having traveled a fair bit over the years around the third world, often outside the wealthy traveler’s bubble, I noticed that many billions of very poor people, increasingly more of them in dense urban clusters, and having no hope of ever having a reliable and sufficient electrical supply, are utterly dependent for the necessities of life on millions of carbon-burning clunkers hauling in their food etc. Such a staggeringly large and costly transformation of their fundamental infrastructure ain’t going to happen.
My conclusion was that the transformation to electricity-powered transportation is promoted by the usual bunch of global elitist fascists. They only really see a sort of London, New York, LA global vision, they don’t care and don’t even think about the condition of most of the world’s population.
The biggest problem with the EV industry is that government subsidies and other supports prevent us from being able to predict just when to short their stock.
Here is the end result of the government’s financial ventures and involvements in pipe dreams that are now falling apart. Add inflation and a falling loonie, and you have a recipe for another Trudeau disaster.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bank-of-canada-interest-rate-loans-impact-1.4197831
Imagine thousands of these things lined up in the ditch during a snow storm……no heat…nothing.
The chatter about electric forklifts is interesting. We have one in our plant, and it is a beautiful piece of equipment. However, it has the exact characteristics that a car can’t have. The extreme weight of the battery is what is required in a forklift for counterbalance weight (propane ones have a big cast iron weight). Also, it runs inside so no DIRECT emissions are happening, it is never more than 1500 ft from a charger, and it runs on a very tight schedule. All things that are inconvenient for a car.
H
give me an electric vehicle that will travel 1000kms at 130km/hr and recharge in less than five minutes and I will use it. captcha (eurolidi engine).
Today I am driving from southern Ontario to Halifax. I could do it in 18 hours with nothing more than two 15 minute pit stops if I chose. I wonder how long it would take in an electric car?
Technology may have changed since I was involved but a well run electric forklift operation used to require 3 batteries per truck to run efficiently and maintain battery life. One on the truck, one on charge and one on rest, 8 hours each in a 3 shift operation. Not sure but I think propane is still more popular than electric, more lifting power, faster travel. Electrics are mainly used in food plants and the like where particulate emissions aren’t allowed.
…unless the forklift truck runs on propane.
I will not drive a forklift to work or to do groceries.
…unless the forklift truck runs on propane.
You have to have the right forklift, like the 160HP, 547 ft lbs torque, 6 cylinder diesel 10K ATFL (All Terrain Forklift).
Air conditioning standard, rifle rack optional.
about a week and a half, but you could get drunk every night and never have to take a breath test. captcha (avenue Michelin)
So one guy complains about the rent seeking in the electric car industry, after what, 9 million years? But government run education, electricity, health care, roads, traffic systems, building codes, … are all still just peachy.
Hey, government is your friend 99% of the time! 99% of what they do is with the best of intentions! Intentions and feelz are all that matters!.
All we have to do is get rid of the one bad apple…
Now that I think of it, Brad Wall. Is “50% unreliable power by 2030” Brad Wall actually doing anything towards that goal, or is he just lying to steal a small percentage of the moron vote? Lying is all politicians ever do…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar
Did that documentary mention Sebring-Vanguard Inc.? I have never finished watching that Stephen Moore movie, too new speak agitprop for my taste.