These people are going to get him elected if they’re not careful.
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Yes, yes and for a thousandth time yes, he is not a part of the GOP establishment, we all heard it. Agreed, 100%. Ok? We got it. Really. Now, could anyone kindly tell us what he is instead of what he is not? Can you point us to a track record of championing conservative/libertarian/right wing causes? And by track record I am referring to actual track record before he run.*
… crickets chirping…
*Please note: mocking Rosie O’Donut is not enough.
I’m not the greatest fan of Donald Trump. However when people resort to blocking a highway, it’s time to act. Stop the video at 58:04 and count the actual protesters who are standing on that highway. And I’m sure that some of the bystanders on the RH side of the road and on the other side are not protesters. I count about 35 active protesters. There are most likely a 100 vehicles close to the protesters. Could 100 people not go out into the desert and find 100 sticks and stones to clear the path?? Just saying……….
In case anyone is interested, here is a list, of all the “low IQ, stupid, moron, trumpsters, idiots, and other assorted riff raff, who have thrown their support behind Trump.
By the way, would all of his detractors, posting their snide remarks here on SDA, care to list their stellar achievements and credentials? After all, it’s only fair that the ignorant plebes know the qualifications of their betters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Current
“By the way, would all of his detractors, posting their snide remarks here on SDA, care to list their stellar achievements and credentials? ”
Absolutely as soon as I run for office I will make my record public.
Same here Robert. Used to listen to Fox on my morning commute…. no more. The blogs, Ace of Spades and Hotair have also been removed from my bookmark bar in the last week alone.
Was at the ralley yesterday, the protests were too little to late.
The joke at ty he ralley was that the protesters slept too late to be effective.
Good ralley, loto of fun, very civil.
All good except the sun burn.
Cheers.
Yeah, in other words, you’re full of it. You and a lot of other people don’t seem to get it. It isn’t about electing a Republican. The voters have been doing that for years. Problem is, the Republicans they elect turn into democrats the moment they arrive in DC. It’s the same in this country. We elect conservatives, but they govern like liberals. I for one will never vote conservative again. They had a majority. CBC still leeches off the public tit, the government spends a small fortune advertising itself, not a single MP or senator has seen the inside of a jail cell despite rampant corruption by all parties, the public service is still bloated and grossly over compensated, the military is on it’s fourth prime minister in its procurement of new fighter jets, our budget is wildly out of control, we took in a million barbarians under the guise of immigration, and yet the conservatives did basically nothing.
Trump 2016
BURN IT DOWN.
Speaking of a government advertising itself, Ontario takes the prize. Madam Wynne, heavy on the “Madam”, who may as well be presiding over a whore house the way the people are getting it. She’s advertising her very bad pension plan idea on prime time countless times every day at a huge cost with money she doesn’t have. This only serves to brain wash the masses, she’s going to do it anyway, we have no choice, she has a majority. As for telling us about her health care services, another cruel joke, ask anyone who is waiting for health care and doctors to take care of them.
Don’t laugh at Trump,he’s shaking up the establishment that badly needs it. We need the same here.
The utter complete lack of logic of your argument is surpassed only by your blind faith that Trump will burn it all down…
And that is why Trump will win both the nomination and the presidency. All those incapable of logical analysis, voting with their emotions will elect him. And I get to mock them for the following four years.
Anyone else here in the same Jacobin camp or do we have Trump supporters who actuarially support his policies and track record?
…
Didn’t think so.
Perhaps you are missing the point.
Trump has accomplishments in business, a history of paying the bribes to further his schemes, is this a negative?Or proof he knows what politicians are?
USA measurement of success is money.
Trump is a symbol around which very pissed off people gather, whether he is any of the things he claims is irrelevant, in this election cycle.
Trump personifies a stiff middle finger.
The message is for the Guild Of Parasites who have damaged us all.
If Trump lives up to his bombast, some reduction in the current destruction might occur.
If he is a phoney, then the third option engages and the mob destroys the infestation themselves.
AKA the Blood of the Patriots.
Either way fear of the governed is coming to those who desire power.
As an accomplished showman, Trump is probably the only Presidential candidate who can turn the slander,lies and innuendo of the Presstitutes into a votes.
So far the “sensible candidates” have fallen before the media bias, long before they have engaged with the anointed candidate.
Voters are tired of weak,spineless poseurs.
Trump attacks.
Trump entertains.
Trump speaks blunt truths.
Refreshing as desert rain in this Politically Correct gelded culture.
Guild Of Parasites applies to all our Kleptocrats.Firmly established at the trough.
Ok first of all his accomplishments in business are such that he inherited a huge sum of money and has less today than he he had then.
Everything else you tell me is that he is not an establishment candidate. As I have said countless times in this thread alone, I agree. He is not an establishment candidate and the establishment fears him and loathes him. Please do not continue convincing me about things we already agree on.
Now for the third time in this thread alone I ask… oh f*** it I am going to just quote myself:
“Now, could anyone kindly tell us what he is instead of what he is not? Can you point us to a track record of championing conservative/libertarian/right wing causes? And by track record I am referring to actual track record before he run”
“Now, could anyone kindly tell us what he is instead of what he is not? Can you point us to a track record of championing conservative/libertarian/right wing causes? And by track record I am referring to actual track record before he run”
“nselm | March 19, 2016 4:10 PM | Reply
Zerohedge is featuring this video of Oprah interviewing Trump 25 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKi5YeNtRI“
You watch that?
As I said you may be missing the point.
Who,besides you, cares?
If Trump is a politician, then his past posturing is all acting.
If he is a businessman, then your conditions are irrelevant.
Now he is on the campaign circuit, he is whatever you need him to be, whatever the media can sell you on.
As for inheriting a huge sum of money.. you got evidence? Besides Libtard talking points?
“You watch that?”
Yes, point being?
“As I said you may be missing the point.”
Which is why I keep asking for a clarification, and I all keep getting is that establishment fears him. Ugh ok.
“Who,besides you, cares?”
Well that is the point isn’t it? People should care.
“If Trump is a politician, then his past posturing is all acting.”
Or his current posturing is all acting. How do you know which is which?
“If he is a businessman, then your conditions are irrelevant.”
He is trying to be a president not CEO, so yes, I want to know what he believes in.
“Now he is on the campaign circuit, he is whatever you need him to be, whatever the media can sell you on.”
So he is prostituting himself with the best of them, and yet he is different. How?
“As for inheriting a huge sum of money.. you got evidence? Besides Libtard talking points?”
You need a proof that he inherited a huge sum, or that his fortune grew slower than the economy? If his only business decision was to invest his inheritance in a stock market index he would be worth more today than he is worth. You need a proof of that? BTW is for example Steven Crowder a leftist too?
Colonialista. “Absolutely, Literally Hitler Trump, Ogabe and Justine have a lot in common: they appall to the nonthinking morons who are too lazy and too stupid to listen to arguments especially if these include words with too many syllables.” C’mon you’re being way too hard on yourself.
Recommendation: try getting your facts straight before telling others to get their facts straight.
The factoid you alluded to is from that beacon of objectivity, Occupy Democrats: “Bloomberg puts Trump’s current net worth at $2.9 billion, Forbes at $4.1 billion. The National Journal has worked out that if Trump had just put his father’s money in a mutual fund that tracked the S&P 500 and spent his career finger-painting, he’d have $8 billion.” That doesn’t ring true but no worries if it feeds the prejudice, thus bigotry and false narrative of the “failed” billionaire.
The retort: Occupy Democrats graphic oversimplifies Trump’s inheritance.
“But if you read the National Journal story, it doesn’t directly tie whatever money Trump got from his father to an eventual $8 billion today. Here’s the key paragraph from a Sept. 2, 2015, article headlined “The 1 Easy Way Donald Trump Could Have Been Even Richer: Doing Nothing.”
“Had the celebrity businessman and Republican presidential candidate invested his eventual share of his father’s real-estate company into a mutual fund of S&P 500 stocks in 1974, it would be worth nearly $3 billion today, thanks to the market’s performance over the past four decades. If he’d invested the $200 million that Forbes magazine determined he was worth in 1982 into that index fund, it would have grown to more than $8 billion today.”
There’s a bit of informed guesswork behind these numbers because outsiders can only know so much about Trump’s finances. The National Journal writer, S.V. Dáte, figured Trump started with $40 million in 1974. That’s the year he became president of his father’s real estate company. By one estimate, the firm was worth about $200 million and divided among Donald Trump and his four siblings, each would have received $40 million.”
But it’s not as though the company was liquidated that year. Trump’s father lived until 1999, so whatever happened, it’s more complicated than Trump receiving a cash inheritance in 1974 and deciding what he would do with it.” http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/dec/09/occupy-democrats/occupy-democrats-say-simple-investment-trumps-fath/
Trump definitely left things better than he found them. When facts don’t ring true, like the nonsense of Trump losing wealth, a closer look is warranted, at least in the minds of the less worthy monosyllabic morons whose worst actors you emulate then criticize.
“The National Journal has worked out that if Trump had just put his father’s money in a mutual fund that tracked the S&P 500 and spent his career finger-painting, he’d have $8 billion”
The mental midgets ignored the fact that every 7 years the market has tanked and wiped out all prior gains….They are liars who manipulated past performance & cherry pick comparisons. A price recovery, after flat lining, is not a legitimate gain if your money is only worth 1/4 the original investment
The Stock Market needs a new group of fools every 7 years..
Try the analyses of a 25K investment in “Vanguard Wellington” in 1985 to 2015 (30 Years) and I can provide absolute proof you will be dead Wrong.
“Trump definitely left things better than he found them.”
You may want to read your own source to the end. At the very best case scenario which your source admits is tricky to calculate between 1982 and now he did as well as the stock market. If this is the best you got you may as well quit while you’re behind.
In any case, even he was the greatest businessman in history of mankind it means precisely d**k.
And just to absolutely clarify my position on Trump supporters: I do not believe that SDA supporters of Trump are morons. But majority of Trump supporters in the general election will be. Yes there will be a group of supporters who will vote for Trump simply because they’re tired of the GOP establishment. I do not belive this should be the overriding consideration but I respect that. Just don’t try to sell it for more than it is. There will also be a group who will hold their noses and support him because “anyone but Hildebeast” (I am with them). But you will not win without simplistic morons of the same kind that jumped on Ogabe and Justine bandwagons. And none of us, none of you and none of them has a slightest clue what is Tump’s vision for the country other than he wants Trump to be elected. He is brilliant in the election game, he dances flawlessly around attacks on him and turns media jabs into his political ads. Bravo. In the end all we know is that he is a knee jerk authoritarian with no concrete vision for the country and no established views on the crucial issues like immigration, gun control, abortion etc. He is very questionable on foreign policy as well. If none of it matters to you you got your dream candidate. These issues matter to me. A lot.
The point of Trump is that the G.O.P fears him.
The “leaders” are going to learn to fear the citizen.
Again.
If Trump leads a political reduction of the parasitic overload peacefully, all to the good.
Last chance for system to work as designed.
If Trump is a Clinton, then the mob will do what he has promised.
Does not matter, the die is cast.
Kleptocracy only lasts as long as the marks remain ignorant.
Marks are already armed,poorer and loosing their trust in elite leaders.
As for the leftist fantasy of second guessing Trumps financial success.
Pitiful.
Coulda,woulda shoulda.. or if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
Nasty combination of hindsight being 20/20 and envious slander.
Strangest financial “failure” I have ever heard of.
Why should we continue to care?
I have been lied to and ripped off by those who govern for over 4 decades, the future is a joke and the rip off accelerates every year.
Once you know you have nothing left to lose, theft and destruction being the only certainties of this kleptocracy, it is easy to let it burn.
What does it matter if Trump is “worse” than, insert career politician?
Under the current wisdom, civilization is doomed.
Trump at worst has noticed this for at least 25 years.
Keep dreaming, Gordo.
If Trump is allowed to keep the nomination, he’ll mop the floor with Hitlery.
“The point of Trump is that the G.O.P fears him.”
And that is the point none disagrees with. Do you understand that it takes a mentally challenged person to consistently argue what everyone agrees with?
“The “leaders” are going to learn to fear the citizen.
Again.”
Yes absolutely when you get an authoritarian president who despises notions like freedom you will really get him to fear you.
“If Trump leads a political reduction of the parasitic overload peacefully, all to the good.”
Yes and if he is the second coming of Christ it will even be better.
“Last chance for system to work as designed.”
Be careful what you are wishing for.
“If Trump is a Clinton, then the mob will do what he has promised.
Does not matter, the die is cast.”
Spoken like a true Jacobin. Kindly recall how Robespierre had ended.
“Kleptocracy only lasts as long as the marks remain ignorant.
Marks are already armed,poorer and loosing their trust in elite leaders.”
Call me when you are holding the barricades.
“As for the leftist fantasy of second guessing Trumps financial success.
Pitiful.”
And never forget to brand everyone who disagrees with you as a leftist. Even those who agree to reluctantly support Trump due to lack of better candidates and do so in order to prevent leftists like Heildebeats to take power. Does not matter they all are leftist. The Jacobins have spoken.
World is doomed blah blah blah. Let it burn etc etc etc. Forward to the barricades !!!
As for the leftist fantasy of second guessing Trumps financial success.”And never forget to brand everyone who disagrees with you as a leftist.”
That BS about ‘IF only he had invested in…he would be even richer” is a democrat envy talking point.
So success by your standards would be to inherit 40 million and have nothing left?
As I said who cares if Trump is a phoney?
Who of the so called leadership do you see who will do any better?
Obama? Clinton? Romney?
Mickey Mouse?
As for the insinuations of dictatorship and authoritarian rule, that demonstrates a pretty low opinion of the American Citizen, no “supreme leader exists in a vacuum, so who are Trumps henchmen?
Not like the current administration has already abused every branch of power they can bend?
When a President is using the, must be nonpolitical to work,administrative arms of government to attack his political enemies and his opposition continues to finance this behaviour?
I think we already have what you fear Trump will bring.
The accusation that Trump is lying power-hungry wannabe dictator is almost funny.
The man is reacting to these very people, greedy useless parasites who will destroy his and our children’s and grandchildren’s futures.
Why would a man with 2 billion dollars or so want to wade into the low grade circus of politics ?
As a retirement project?
Yes the die are cast, everything in life, cycles.
“That BS about ‘IF only he had invested in…he would be even richer” is a democrat envy talking point.”
No not really it is a pure capitalist talking point. When your fortune grows slower than economy you’re doing something wrong. Sorry.
“So success by your standards would be to inherit 40 million and have nothing left?”
Statement like this strongly suggest that you are mentally deficient. Please do not embarrass yourself and think before you post.
“As I said who cares if Trump is a phoney?”
I do and I suspect many of his supports care as well.
“Who of the so called leadership do you see who will do any better?
Obama? Clinton? Romney?
Mickey Mouse?”
None of the above but certainly Ted Cruz would. And again I have clearly stated that I would support Trump over the democrats, are you comprehension impaired? Oh and for the record I would support him over Rubio as well.
“As for the insinuations of dictatorship and authoritarian rule, that demonstrates a pretty low opinion of the American Citizen, “
Yes certainly I have a very low opinion of the majority, they elected Ogabe, twice.
“no “supreme leader exists in a vacuum, so who are Trumps henchmen?”
As I said above, three groups really (i) ani establishment types, (ii) anyone by Hiledebeast, (iii) morons.
“I think we already have what you fear Trump will bring.”
Yes absolutely and pray tell what makes you think Trump would be any different? Take for example his condemnation of the draw Mohamed contest, for it incites violence. How is he any different on this matter than the current administration?
“Why would a man with 2 billion dollars or so want to wade into the low grade circus of politics ?”
Power.
“Yes the die are cast, everything in life, cycles.”
It was meant to be. Such is life. Everything happens for a reason. It is what it is. Circle of life Simba.
See? I too can talk in meaningless platitudes.
Maybe you should read slower to increase your comprehension. The “worst case” still clearly demonstrates he grew his dad’s company, before and after he took over the management. You really need to get over your anti-Trump bias, it’s affecting your judgment.
Your dislike of him makes you seem to look past the achievements of this “failed billionaire.” Oh right, now it doesn’t matter if he was a good businessman, even though you brought it up. I can “guess” Trump’s vision with minimal research. Actually, no need to guess:
– end/curtail illegal immigration, particularly from Mexico; ensure immigration is tailored to national needs but never bring in unscreened people.
– insist China, Japan etc trade fairly, aka reciprocity, instead of a trade deficit ($US550m) with protectionist China, 13X Canada’s, on only 5% more trade.
– ensure others understand that America will no longer bluff with red lines, that she means what she says. The pariah state of Iran will not be allowed to BS the US any more; she is a state sponsor of terror, especially in the ME and must be treated as such, not released from sanctions for doing nothing.
– end Obamacare but not simply let the poor die in the streets, use healthcare accounts, opt out provisions and health cost tax deductions; yes with some already existing federal funds, without Obamacare, that ensures state barriers are lifted and transparency exists in care and prescription costs.
– tax reform – middle class tax cuts, let them create jobs; don’t increase deficits or debts while doing so. Let people, not government, manage their money.
– badly needed help for veterans and the serving military, ensuring their equipment is the best available.
– protect the 2nd amendment while going after real criminals instead of hounding law abiding gun owners.
One has to wonder how many of the “Trump has no policies” types have ever bothered to confirm their “thinking?”
Anyway, go ahead and read it all, if you care to. I don’t mind helping you out this time, but in the future, please do your own research. If you don’t like what Trump represents, fine; but don’t misrepresent him to justify your belief. You’ll find Cruz doesn’t offer a lot of detail in his “vision” either. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Great another comprehension impaired response.
“Anyway, go ahead and read it all, if you care to. ”
Yes I know what his positions are TODAY. He has no established track record on many of them and on others, for example 2nd amendment, his past positions contradict his current ones.
As for Cruz he is a principled constitutionalist. Something that Trump never was.
One more jewel: “trade fairly, aka reciprocity,” so much stupid in this one. But yes on this level of stupid he is consistent for decades.
And then that one: “end Obamacare but not simply let the poor die in the streets” Really? Because the alternative to Obamacare is poor dieing on the streets? Like they were dieing before Obamacare? Oh my, not a cheap populist at all.
“People should care”
Why? What has caring gotten us? In Alberta we had Ralph, then for all our caring we got Stelmach. As if he wasn’t bad enough, we next got Reford. After the PC cabal realized that her blatant theft of taxpayers dollars was bringing heat on the whole corrupt herd of leeches, we got Jimmy Prentice, who basically said that we Albertans were to blame. Shame on us! It must have been while we were busy working our eight hour, ten hour, twelve hour, fourteen and sixteen hour shifts that we failed to notice that they elevated themselves to be our lords and masters and raised the servants to most exhaulted status.
Well we’ve noticed. We also noticed that the supporters of the corrupt cabal, ridiculed those who voted for the true conservative party and now after a scant eleven months in the wilderness (read no longer sucking on the public teat) say “we’re sorry, don’t vote for that hateful other party!” as if they will ever be deserving of our trust!
You keep clamoring for the man’s conservative creds, well back at you! Recite the conservative creds of any of the past four Republican presidents? And firing a few air controllers doesn’t count!
The truth is we haven’t had a conservative president or prime minister, for that matter in the last sixty years.
So no, I don’t care. And don’t look for me on the barricades, I won’t be there. I will be in the hide, sniping around the edges.
If Reagan, Thatcher and Harper do not pass your test … forget it, you end long before I begin, there is no point even trying to convince one another. Go burn it all down for the greater future or whatever. Go ahead you may as well start sniping now because Trump for sure will not pass your test either.
Thanks for the content free rebuttal. You seem quite ignorant, or is it oblivious, on trade issues.
Oh right the Goldman Sachs Constitutionalist.
Cruz tried already, can’t cooperate with even his own faction of the existing parasites.
I’ll take the businessman over the ideologue thank you.
Actual ability over purity of religion works for me.
The “Trump is a failure because he could’a been richer” is delusional.
Requires Hindsight being perfect and depends on when in this stock market you cash out.
Coulda,woulda, shoulda does not qualify.
His current success,however mediocre in your eyes, still Trumps Cruz.
“Great another comprehension impaired response.”
Comprehension of what?
Your faith in the divine Cruz?
In the ever progressing theft by government?
You want Trumps past positions?
Yet you blow off a 25 year old Oprah interview as “So what”
Sounds like wilful blindness has you in its grip.
Sonny Boy Trump from 25 years past sounds horribly consistent with present presidential candidate.
Two for two so far, will continue posting until filter catches them again: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/a-flip-flop-trump-now-supports-second-amendment want some more?
Or do you need an explanation why “trade fairly, aka reciprocity,” is a statement that only a protectionist leftist retard could produce. But hey, all to get elected I suppose trade unions will love him.
“Sonny Boy Trump from 25 years past sounds horribly consistent with present presidential candidate.”
Yes, very consistent, equally content free then as now.
Well, Colon…I have a different way of looking at it.
I look at Trump’s enemies…and I like what I see. I see the Black Lives Matter negroes foaming at the mouth. I see the illegal Mexican immigrants spitting and hissing in rage-garbled Spanish. I see the self proclaimed liberal elites dropping the charade and taking to the streets with their thugs and welfare fed goons. I see the chattering journalists shrieking in horror. And I see their their lickspittle RINO and CINO allies on my side of the fence blustering and bloviating and threatening.
I love it. Their shrieking is music to my ears. Some idiot said Hillary will eat him alive if he wins the nomination – HAR HAR HAR! Girls… CHELSEA CLINTON is going to vote for Trump the way things are going!
America is almost done with political correctness one way or another thank God. If you don’t like the idea of Trump doing it …. Let me tell you – you are going to absolutely hate the next guy that does. There’s a pattern going on here, boys. It started with mom and pop going out to a Tea Party rally. They were respectful, polite, and organised. They were called racists, Tea Baggers and morons by liberals and the same doofuses slagging Trump – who BTW … Is slagging them right back. If Trump loses, the next conservative revolt could very well see ‘ conservatives showing up to riot’, and taking to the streets against liberal ‘protesters’ to assert their own 1st Amendment rights.
Guys like you can get on board with Trump – or get out. That’s your choice. We’ve sat quietly while intellectual poseurs like you and Gord Tulk try to push narratives of your own and try to speak for us. It is more important for you to lose like gentlemen to scum like Obama and Hillary – and I for one am sick of it. Shut up already. You’re idiots and everyone knows it. If you want to lose go line up with the liberals… They will be happy to help you out with that.
Oh my talk about blowing your load and missing the target. You think I am offended by his lack of political correctness? Really? I? Ok then.
And how do I try to “push narratives” and speak for you? Pray tell how, I really want to know. And you think I want him to lose against Hildebeast? Why do you think so? Because I said the exact opposite?
You really might want to read my posts instead of assuming that you have a clue where I stand. Here is the short version of it (take a deep breath and try to focus): I do not trust Trump because of his record of support of liberal points of view on issues such as immigration, gun control, freedom of speech or abortion. I do not trust him because he is not a conservative or a libertarian. Can you understand that?
Do you even try to make sense? Reciprocity a left wing concept? The public sector and other trade unions would be very surprised to hear that. When I said “fair” trade I don’t mean fair trade coffee or other such nonsense that requires social license and such other PC nonsense.
I mean reciprocity (look it up will ya) taking advantage of terms of trade, of comparative advantage (Ricardo was so right wing, just like Adam Smith!!), to benefit all trading partners, without politically motivated interference and command economies as in China, but not limited to her – think of French farmers with fields the size of my backyard driving their tractors through Paris with any hint perceived danger to their 100%+ subsidized operations. Trump wants good, not bad trade deals as a starting position. Why should China be permitted to tax imports and manipulate their currency?
At least Trump admits he doesn’t have all the answers going into office; no president ever did. Where’s the greater policy detail from other candidates? How does Cruz plan to implement a flat tax? How will Kasich promote his libertarian vision? They’re just saying they will, like Trump is saying what he will do, as overall vision. Hillary’s is too busy ducking the FBI subpoenas and getting her stories straight other than to present her vision of “fighting for us,” (that’s her folks) and making America whole again by continuing to adopt Obama’s reckless policies.
OTOH maybe free trade is leftie to you, could be. It seems your idea of moderate stems back to the politically correct for the time era of Joseph McCarthy; anyway you can provide detail on that if you wish.
As for abortion or Trump’s past positions, could care less because the guy doesn’t scare me. He’s a dealmaker. He doesn’t play by the old rules – make a promise, break it then claimed you kept it, or it was somebody’s else’s fault. If you don’t like the evolution of Trump, oh well. The American voters will decide his fate, not me.
No one who triples the debt, in my humble opinion, qualifies as a Conservative. As for Thatcher, I wasn’t aware that I paid taxes to jolly old England.
“Reciprocity a left wing concept?”
The idea that you will fight tariffs with tariffs is a left wing concept. And that is where all the crap about reciprocity leads to in the end.
Have fun electing Trump, I will have fun mocking you for the following four years. That is all for now.
“If Reagan, Thatcher and Harper do not pass your test … forget it, you end long before I begin,”
Me to you,”Recite the conservative creds of any of the past four Republican presidents”
I guess that was a little too hard for you to answer, so instead you threw three names at me, two of whom have nothing to do with the question, one(Thatcher) didn’t even reside on this continent.
As I stated before, anyone who triples the debt, fails to meet my conservative standards, and as for Harper, well my taxes didn’t go down, we still have abortion on demand, no politicians went to jail, debt still went up, the public service got bigger and richer, the army is…. well for lack of a better word, inadequate. A million more barbarians entered the country under his watch, unemployment is still out of control, inflation is rampant(don’t let changing the items in the basket trick you into thinking otherwise, I know the stats lie because I do the shopping.)
CBC still exists and the government continues to pay millions advertising itself.
That, in itself, should be a dead giveaway for any true conservative.
I could go on and on about Prime Minister Harper’s failings as a conservative, but I won’t. He made his choices for his own reasons, but true conservatism wasn’t one of them. You’re deluded if you think it was.
Trump may not be conservative, at this juncture in our history, it really doesn’t matter. People like you, like to define what is and is not, best for society and the country, unfortunately you are no Voltaire, or even a Mises, for that matter. Both, who would probably define themselves as Libertarians in this day and age, would scoff at your idea of conservatism.
Ronny ray gun is dead. He never was anything more than an actor, and not a terribly good one at that. Did he love his country? Undoubtedly! Was he a conservative. Absolutely not!
I lived through the sixties, seventies and eighties. They were tough times for the average working man, but delightful times for big business.
I don’t know how old you are , but sometimes you come off like a petulant child. Perhaps you look at those decades through rose colored glasses, perhaps not, but let me assure you of this. True conservatism ceased to exist somewhere around the death of Calvin Coolidge.
Sorry for the late reply, but unfortunately I still have to work for a living, you see, even though I work harder, and longer, I see a dwindling percentage of my paycheck, as I pay for the generous compensation, the generation that voted for the bastard Trudeau and subsequent Laurentide elites, awarded themselves, paid for by me, my children and grandchildren. No they didn’t earn it by self sacrifice,(not that many were combat vets)they stole it from the yet to be born, no true conservatives among that lot, and yes I railed against it then, as I do now. Goodnight.
I gave you examples of whom I consider true conservatives. If you disagree then so be it. There is really no point trying to convince one another. Likewise I have explained why I distrust Trump, you don’t care, fine.
As for my age and background I am past forty and have grown up behind the iron curtain. I lived through what I see is slowly creeping in here. You want to talk to me about desperation, hardship and uncontrollable state? Spare me your wisdom, what you read about I lived through. I don’t see Trump as a solution to any of it. If you do, good luck… and if you think you get to burn anything down because of Trump or despite him, like I said above: “be careful what you wish for”.
Yes, yes and for a thousandth time yes, he is not a part of the GOP establishment, we all heard it. Agreed, 100%. Ok? We got it. Really. Now, could anyone kindly tell us what he is instead of what he is not? Can you point us to a track record of championing conservative/libertarian/right wing causes? And by track record I am referring to actual track record before he run.*
… crickets chirping…
*Please note: mocking Rosie O’Donut is not enough.
I’m not the greatest fan of Donald Trump. However when people resort to blocking a highway, it’s time to act. Stop the video at 58:04 and count the actual protesters who are standing on that highway. And I’m sure that some of the bystanders on the RH side of the road and on the other side are not protesters. I count about 35 active protesters. There are most likely a 100 vehicles close to the protesters. Could 100 people not go out into the desert and find 100 sticks and stones to clear the path?? Just saying……….
In case anyone is interested, here is a list, of all the “low IQ, stupid, moron, trumpsters, idiots, and other assorted riff raff, who have thrown their support behind Trump.
By the way, would all of his detractors, posting their snide remarks here on SDA, care to list their stellar achievements and credentials? After all, it’s only fair that the ignorant plebes know the qualifications of their betters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Current
“By the way, would all of his detractors, posting their snide remarks here on SDA, care to list their stellar achievements and credentials? ”
Absolutely as soon as I run for office I will make my record public.
Same here Robert. Used to listen to Fox on my morning commute…. no more. The blogs, Ace of Spades and Hotair have also been removed from my bookmark bar in the last week alone.
Was at the ralley yesterday, the protests were too little to late.
The joke at ty he ralley was that the protesters slept too late to be effective.
Good ralley, loto of fun, very civil.
All good except the sun burn.
Cheers.
Yeah, in other words, you’re full of it. You and a lot of other people don’t seem to get it. It isn’t about electing a Republican. The voters have been doing that for years. Problem is, the Republicans they elect turn into democrats the moment they arrive in DC. It’s the same in this country. We elect conservatives, but they govern like liberals. I for one will never vote conservative again. They had a majority. CBC still leeches off the public tit, the government spends a small fortune advertising itself, not a single MP or senator has seen the inside of a jail cell despite rampant corruption by all parties, the public service is still bloated and grossly over compensated, the military is on it’s fourth prime minister in its procurement of new fighter jets, our budget is wildly out of control, we took in a million barbarians under the guise of immigration, and yet the conservatives did basically nothing.
Trump 2016
BURN IT DOWN.
Speaking of a government advertising itself, Ontario takes the prize. Madam Wynne, heavy on the “Madam”, who may as well be presiding over a whore house the way the people are getting it. She’s advertising her very bad pension plan idea on prime time countless times every day at a huge cost with money she doesn’t have. This only serves to brain wash the masses, she’s going to do it anyway, we have no choice, she has a majority. As for telling us about her health care services, another cruel joke, ask anyone who is waiting for health care and doctors to take care of them.
Don’t laugh at Trump,he’s shaking up the establishment that badly needs it. We need the same here.
The utter complete lack of logic of your argument is surpassed only by your blind faith that Trump will burn it all down…
And that is why Trump will win both the nomination and the presidency. All those incapable of logical analysis, voting with their emotions will elect him. And I get to mock them for the following four years.
Anyone else here in the same Jacobin camp or do we have Trump supporters who actuarially support his policies and track record?
…
Didn’t think so.
Perhaps you are missing the point.
Trump has accomplishments in business, a history of paying the bribes to further his schemes, is this a negative?Or proof he knows what politicians are?
USA measurement of success is money.
Trump is a symbol around which very pissed off people gather, whether he is any of the things he claims is irrelevant, in this election cycle.
Trump personifies a stiff middle finger.
The message is for the Guild Of Parasites who have damaged us all.
If Trump lives up to his bombast, some reduction in the current destruction might occur.
If he is a phoney, then the third option engages and the mob destroys the infestation themselves.
AKA the Blood of the Patriots.
Either way fear of the governed is coming to those who desire power.
As an accomplished showman, Trump is probably the only Presidential candidate who can turn the slander,lies and innuendo of the Presstitutes into a votes.
So far the “sensible candidates” have fallen before the media bias, long before they have engaged with the anointed candidate.
Voters are tired of weak,spineless poseurs.
Trump attacks.
Trump entertains.
Trump speaks blunt truths.
Refreshing as desert rain in this Politically Correct gelded culture.
Guild Of Parasites applies to all our Kleptocrats.Firmly established at the trough.
Ok first of all his accomplishments in business are such that he inherited a huge sum of money and has less today than he he had then.
Everything else you tell me is that he is not an establishment candidate. As I have said countless times in this thread alone, I agree. He is not an establishment candidate and the establishment fears him and loathes him. Please do not continue convincing me about things we already agree on.
Now for the third time in this thread alone I ask… oh f*** it I am going to just quote myself:
“Now, could anyone kindly tell us what he is instead of what he is not? Can you point us to a track record of championing conservative/libertarian/right wing causes? And by track record I am referring to actual track record before he run”
“Now, could anyone kindly tell us what he is instead of what he is not? Can you point us to a track record of championing conservative/libertarian/right wing causes? And by track record I am referring to actual track record before he run”
“nselm | March 19, 2016 4:10 PM | Reply
Zerohedge is featuring this video of Oprah interviewing Trump 25 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKi5YeNtRI“
You watch that?
As I said you may be missing the point.
Who,besides you, cares?
If Trump is a politician, then his past posturing is all acting.
If he is a businessman, then your conditions are irrelevant.
Now he is on the campaign circuit, he is whatever you need him to be, whatever the media can sell you on.
As for inheriting a huge sum of money.. you got evidence? Besides Libtard talking points?
“You watch that?”
Yes, point being?
“As I said you may be missing the point.”
Which is why I keep asking for a clarification, and I all keep getting is that establishment fears him. Ugh ok.
“Who,besides you, cares?”
Well that is the point isn’t it? People should care.
“If Trump is a politician, then his past posturing is all acting.”
Or his current posturing is all acting. How do you know which is which?
“If he is a businessman, then your conditions are irrelevant.”
He is trying to be a president not CEO, so yes, I want to know what he believes in.
“Now he is on the campaign circuit, he is whatever you need him to be, whatever the media can sell you on.”
So he is prostituting himself with the best of them, and yet he is different. How?
“As for inheriting a huge sum of money.. you got evidence? Besides Libtard talking points?”
You need a proof that he inherited a huge sum, or that his fortune grew slower than the economy? If his only business decision was to invest his inheritance in a stock market index he would be worth more today than he is worth. You need a proof of that? BTW is for example Steven Crowder a leftist too?
Colonialista. “Absolutely, Literally Hitler Trump, Ogabe and Justine have a lot in common: they appall to the nonthinking morons who are too lazy and too stupid to listen to arguments especially if these include words with too many syllables.” C’mon you’re being way too hard on yourself.
Recommendation: try getting your facts straight before telling others to get their facts straight.
The factoid you alluded to is from that beacon of objectivity, Occupy Democrats: “Bloomberg puts Trump’s current net worth at $2.9 billion, Forbes at $4.1 billion. The National Journal has worked out that if Trump had just put his father’s money in a mutual fund that tracked the S&P 500 and spent his career finger-painting, he’d have $8 billion.” That doesn’t ring true but no worries if it feeds the prejudice, thus bigotry and false narrative of the “failed” billionaire.
The retort: Occupy Democrats graphic oversimplifies Trump’s inheritance.
“But if you read the National Journal story, it doesn’t directly tie whatever money Trump got from his father to an eventual $8 billion today. Here’s the key paragraph from a Sept. 2, 2015, article headlined “The 1 Easy Way Donald Trump Could Have Been Even Richer: Doing Nothing.”
“Had the celebrity businessman and Republican presidential candidate invested his eventual share of his father’s real-estate company into a mutual fund of S&P 500 stocks in 1974, it would be worth nearly $3 billion today, thanks to the market’s performance over the past four decades. If he’d invested the $200 million that Forbes magazine determined he was worth in 1982 into that index fund, it would have grown to more than $8 billion today.”
There’s a bit of informed guesswork behind these numbers because outsiders can only know so much about Trump’s finances. The National Journal writer, S.V. Dáte, figured Trump started with $40 million in 1974. That’s the year he became president of his father’s real estate company. By one estimate, the firm was worth about $200 million and divided among Donald Trump and his four siblings, each would have received $40 million.”
But it’s not as though the company was liquidated that year. Trump’s father lived until 1999, so whatever happened, it’s more complicated than Trump receiving a cash inheritance in 1974 and deciding what he would do with it.”
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/dec/09/occupy-democrats/occupy-democrats-say-simple-investment-trumps-fath/
Trump definitely left things better than he found them. When facts don’t ring true, like the nonsense of Trump losing wealth, a closer look is warranted, at least in the minds of the less worthy monosyllabic morons whose worst actors you emulate then criticize.
“The National Journal has worked out that if Trump had just put his father’s money in a mutual fund that tracked the S&P 500 and spent his career finger-painting, he’d have $8 billion”
The mental midgets ignored the fact that every 7 years the market has tanked and wiped out all prior gains….They are liars who manipulated past performance & cherry pick comparisons. A price recovery, after flat lining, is not a legitimate gain if your money is only worth 1/4 the original investment
The Stock Market needs a new group of fools every 7 years..
Try the analyses of a 25K investment in “Vanguard Wellington” in 1985 to 2015 (30 Years) and I can provide absolute proof you will be dead Wrong.
“Trump definitely left things better than he found them.”
You may want to read your own source to the end. At the very best case scenario which your source admits is tricky to calculate between 1982 and now he did as well as the stock market. If this is the best you got you may as well quit while you’re behind.
In any case, even he was the greatest businessman in history of mankind it means precisely d**k.
And just to absolutely clarify my position on Trump supporters: I do not believe that SDA supporters of Trump are morons. But majority of Trump supporters in the general election will be. Yes there will be a group of supporters who will vote for Trump simply because they’re tired of the GOP establishment. I do not belive this should be the overriding consideration but I respect that. Just don’t try to sell it for more than it is. There will also be a group who will hold their noses and support him because “anyone but Hildebeast” (I am with them). But you will not win without simplistic morons of the same kind that jumped on Ogabe and Justine bandwagons. And none of us, none of you and none of them has a slightest clue what is Tump’s vision for the country other than he wants Trump to be elected. He is brilliant in the election game, he dances flawlessly around attacks on him and turns media jabs into his political ads. Bravo. In the end all we know is that he is a knee jerk authoritarian with no concrete vision for the country and no established views on the crucial issues like immigration, gun control, abortion etc. He is very questionable on foreign policy as well. If none of it matters to you you got your dream candidate. These issues matter to me. A lot.
The point of Trump is that the G.O.P fears him.
The “leaders” are going to learn to fear the citizen.
Again.
If Trump leads a political reduction of the parasitic overload peacefully, all to the good.
Last chance for system to work as designed.
If Trump is a Clinton, then the mob will do what he has promised.
Does not matter, the die is cast.
Kleptocracy only lasts as long as the marks remain ignorant.
Marks are already armed,poorer and loosing their trust in elite leaders.
As for the leftist fantasy of second guessing Trumps financial success.
Pitiful.
Coulda,woulda shoulda.. or if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
Nasty combination of hindsight being 20/20 and envious slander.
Strangest financial “failure” I have ever heard of.
Why should we continue to care?
I have been lied to and ripped off by those who govern for over 4 decades, the future is a joke and the rip off accelerates every year.
Once you know you have nothing left to lose, theft and destruction being the only certainties of this kleptocracy, it is easy to let it burn.
What does it matter if Trump is “worse” than, insert career politician?
Under the current wisdom, civilization is doomed.
Trump at worst has noticed this for at least 25 years.
Keep dreaming, Gordo.
If Trump is allowed to keep the nomination, he’ll mop the floor with Hitlery.
“The point of Trump is that the G.O.P fears him.”
And that is the point none disagrees with. Do you understand that it takes a mentally challenged person to consistently argue what everyone agrees with?
“The “leaders” are going to learn to fear the citizen.
Again.”
Yes absolutely when you get an authoritarian president who despises notions like freedom you will really get him to fear you.
“If Trump leads a political reduction of the parasitic overload peacefully, all to the good.”
Yes and if he is the second coming of Christ it will even be better.
“Last chance for system to work as designed.”
Be careful what you are wishing for.
“If Trump is a Clinton, then the mob will do what he has promised.
Does not matter, the die is cast.”
Spoken like a true Jacobin. Kindly recall how Robespierre had ended.
“Kleptocracy only lasts as long as the marks remain ignorant.
Marks are already armed,poorer and loosing their trust in elite leaders.”
Call me when you are holding the barricades.
“As for the leftist fantasy of second guessing Trumps financial success.
Pitiful.”
And never forget to brand everyone who disagrees with you as a leftist. Even those who agree to reluctantly support Trump due to lack of better candidates and do so in order to prevent leftists like Heildebeats to take power. Does not matter they all are leftist. The Jacobins have spoken.
World is doomed blah blah blah. Let it burn etc etc etc. Forward to the barricades !!!
As for the leftist fantasy of second guessing Trumps financial success.”And never forget to brand everyone who disagrees with you as a leftist.”
That BS about ‘IF only he had invested in…he would be even richer” is a democrat envy talking point.
So success by your standards would be to inherit 40 million and have nothing left?
As I said who cares if Trump is a phoney?
Who of the so called leadership do you see who will do any better?
Obama? Clinton? Romney?
Mickey Mouse?
As for the insinuations of dictatorship and authoritarian rule, that demonstrates a pretty low opinion of the American Citizen, no “supreme leader exists in a vacuum, so who are Trumps henchmen?
Not like the current administration has already abused every branch of power they can bend?
When a President is using the, must be nonpolitical to work,administrative arms of government to attack his political enemies and his opposition continues to finance this behaviour?
I think we already have what you fear Trump will bring.
The accusation that Trump is lying power-hungry wannabe dictator is almost funny.
The man is reacting to these very people, greedy useless parasites who will destroy his and our children’s and grandchildren’s futures.
Why would a man with 2 billion dollars or so want to wade into the low grade circus of politics ?
As a retirement project?
Yes the die are cast, everything in life, cycles.
“That BS about ‘IF only he had invested in…he would be even richer” is a democrat envy talking point.”
No not really it is a pure capitalist talking point. When your fortune grows slower than economy you’re doing something wrong. Sorry.
“So success by your standards would be to inherit 40 million and have nothing left?”
Statement like this strongly suggest that you are mentally deficient. Please do not embarrass yourself and think before you post.
“As I said who cares if Trump is a phoney?”
I do and I suspect many of his supports care as well.
“Who of the so called leadership do you see who will do any better?
Obama? Clinton? Romney?
Mickey Mouse?”
None of the above but certainly Ted Cruz would. And again I have clearly stated that I would support Trump over the democrats, are you comprehension impaired? Oh and for the record I would support him over Rubio as well.
“As for the insinuations of dictatorship and authoritarian rule, that demonstrates a pretty low opinion of the American Citizen, “
Yes certainly I have a very low opinion of the majority, they elected Ogabe, twice.
“no “supreme leader exists in a vacuum, so who are Trumps henchmen?”
As I said above, three groups really (i) ani establishment types, (ii) anyone by Hiledebeast, (iii) morons.
“I think we already have what you fear Trump will bring.”
Yes absolutely and pray tell what makes you think Trump would be any different? Take for example his condemnation of the draw Mohamed contest, for it incites violence. How is he any different on this matter than the current administration?
“Why would a man with 2 billion dollars or so want to wade into the low grade circus of politics ?”
Power.
“Yes the die are cast, everything in life, cycles.”
It was meant to be. Such is life. Everything happens for a reason. It is what it is. Circle of life Simba.
See? I too can talk in meaningless platitudes.
Maybe you should read slower to increase your comprehension. The “worst case” still clearly demonstrates he grew his dad’s company, before and after he took over the management. You really need to get over your anti-Trump bias, it’s affecting your judgment.
Your dislike of him makes you seem to look past the achievements of this “failed billionaire.” Oh right, now it doesn’t matter if he was a good businessman, even though you brought it up. I can “guess” Trump’s vision with minimal research. Actually, no need to guess:
– end/curtail illegal immigration, particularly from Mexico; ensure immigration is tailored to national needs but never bring in unscreened people.
– insist China, Japan etc trade fairly, aka reciprocity, instead of a trade deficit ($US550m) with protectionist China, 13X Canada’s, on only 5% more trade.
– ensure others understand that America will no longer bluff with red lines, that she means what she says. The pariah state of Iran will not be allowed to BS the US any more; she is a state sponsor of terror, especially in the ME and must be treated as such, not released from sanctions for doing nothing.
– end Obamacare but not simply let the poor die in the streets, use healthcare accounts, opt out provisions and health cost tax deductions; yes with some already existing federal funds, without Obamacare, that ensures state barriers are lifted and transparency exists in care and prescription costs.
– tax reform – middle class tax cuts, let them create jobs; don’t increase deficits or debts while doing so. Let people, not government, manage their money.
– badly needed help for veterans and the serving military, ensuring their equipment is the best available.
– protect the 2nd amendment while going after real criminals instead of hounding law abiding gun owners.
One has to wonder how many of the “Trump has no policies” types have ever bothered to confirm their “thinking?”
Anyway, go ahead and read it all, if you care to. I don’t mind helping you out this time, but in the future, please do your own research. If you don’t like what Trump represents, fine; but don’t misrepresent him to justify your belief. You’ll find Cruz doesn’t offer a lot of detail in his “vision” either.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Great another comprehension impaired response.
“Anyway, go ahead and read it all, if you care to. ”
Yes I know what his positions are TODAY. He has no established track record on many of them and on others, for example 2nd amendment, his past positions contradict his current ones.
As for Cruz he is a principled constitutionalist. Something that Trump never was.
One more jewel: “trade fairly, aka reciprocity,” so much stupid in this one. But yes on this level of stupid he is consistent for decades.
And then that one: “end Obamacare but not simply let the poor die in the streets” Really? Because the alternative to Obamacare is poor dieing on the streets? Like they were dieing before Obamacare? Oh my, not a cheap populist at all.
“People should care”
Why? What has caring gotten us? In Alberta we had Ralph, then for all our caring we got Stelmach. As if he wasn’t bad enough, we next got Reford. After the PC cabal realized that her blatant theft of taxpayers dollars was bringing heat on the whole corrupt herd of leeches, we got Jimmy Prentice, who basically said that we Albertans were to blame. Shame on us! It must have been while we were busy working our eight hour, ten hour, twelve hour, fourteen and sixteen hour shifts that we failed to notice that they elevated themselves to be our lords and masters and raised the servants to most exhaulted status.
Well we’ve noticed. We also noticed that the supporters of the corrupt cabal, ridiculed those who voted for the true conservative party and now after a scant eleven months in the wilderness (read no longer sucking on the public teat) say “we’re sorry, don’t vote for that hateful other party!” as if they will ever be deserving of our trust!
You keep clamoring for the man’s conservative creds, well back at you! Recite the conservative creds of any of the past four Republican presidents? And firing a few air controllers doesn’t count!
The truth is we haven’t had a conservative president or prime minister, for that matter in the last sixty years.
So no, I don’t care. And don’t look for me on the barricades, I won’t be there. I will be in the hide, sniping around the edges.
Trump’s record on 2nd amendment, abortion and immigration:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/26/from-immigration-to-abortion-longtime-democrat-donald-trump-must-reckon-with-his-rich-progressive-history/
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/a-flip-flop-trump-now-supports-second-amendment
http://liveactionnews.org/donald-trump-abortion-muddle/
Steady as a rock? Well a very soft rock, a sponge really.
If Reagan, Thatcher and Harper do not pass your test … forget it, you end long before I begin, there is no point even trying to convince one another. Go burn it all down for the greater future or whatever. Go ahead you may as well start sniping now because Trump for sure will not pass your test either.
Thanks for the content free rebuttal. You seem quite ignorant, or is it oblivious, on trade issues.
Oh right the Goldman Sachs Constitutionalist.
Cruz tried already, can’t cooperate with even his own faction of the existing parasites.
I’ll take the businessman over the ideologue thank you.
Actual ability over purity of religion works for me.
The “Trump is a failure because he could’a been richer” is delusional.
Requires Hindsight being perfect and depends on when in this stock market you cash out.
Coulda,woulda, shoulda does not qualify.
His current success,however mediocre in your eyes, still Trumps Cruz.
“Great another comprehension impaired response.”
Comprehension of what?
Your faith in the divine Cruz?
In the ever progressing theft by government?
You want Trumps past positions?
Yet you blow off a 25 year old Oprah interview as “So what”
Sounds like wilful blindness has you in its grip.
Sonny Boy Trump from 25 years past sounds horribly consistent with present presidential candidate.
You want content? Let’s see if I get to post the links without the post being held up: http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/26/from-immigration-to-abortion-longtime-democrat-donald-trump-must-reckon-with-his-rich-progressive-history/ how’s that for you?
Try this for some more: http://liveactionnews.org/donald-trump-abortion-muddle/ John Kerry would blush …
Two for two so far, will continue posting until filter catches them again: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/a-flip-flop-trump-now-supports-second-amendment want some more?
Or do you need an explanation why “trade fairly, aka reciprocity,” is a statement that only a protectionist leftist retard could produce. But hey, all to get elected I suppose trade unions will love him.
“Sonny Boy Trump from 25 years past sounds horribly consistent with present presidential candidate.”
Yes, very consistent, equally content free then as now.
Well, Colon…I have a different way of looking at it.
I look at Trump’s enemies…and I like what I see. I see the Black Lives Matter negroes foaming at the mouth. I see the illegal Mexican immigrants spitting and hissing in rage-garbled Spanish. I see the self proclaimed liberal elites dropping the charade and taking to the streets with their thugs and welfare fed goons. I see the chattering journalists shrieking in horror. And I see their their lickspittle RINO and CINO allies on my side of the fence blustering and bloviating and threatening.
I love it. Their shrieking is music to my ears. Some idiot said Hillary will eat him alive if he wins the nomination – HAR HAR HAR! Girls… CHELSEA CLINTON is going to vote for Trump the way things are going!
America is almost done with political correctness one way or another thank God. If you don’t like the idea of Trump doing it …. Let me tell you – you are going to absolutely hate the next guy that does. There’s a pattern going on here, boys. It started with mom and pop going out to a Tea Party rally. They were respectful, polite, and organised. They were called racists, Tea Baggers and morons by liberals and the same doofuses slagging Trump – who BTW … Is slagging them right back. If Trump loses, the next conservative revolt could very well see ‘ conservatives showing up to riot’, and taking to the streets against liberal ‘protesters’ to assert their own 1st Amendment rights.
Guys like you can get on board with Trump – or get out. That’s your choice. We’ve sat quietly while intellectual poseurs like you and Gord Tulk try to push narratives of your own and try to speak for us. It is more important for you to lose like gentlemen to scum like Obama and Hillary – and I for one am sick of it. Shut up already. You’re idiots and everyone knows it. If you want to lose go line up with the liberals… They will be happy to help you out with that.
Oh my talk about blowing your load and missing the target. You think I am offended by his lack of political correctness? Really? I? Ok then.
And how do I try to “push narratives” and speak for you? Pray tell how, I really want to know. And you think I want him to lose against Hildebeast? Why do you think so? Because I said the exact opposite?
You really might want to read my posts instead of assuming that you have a clue where I stand. Here is the short version of it (take a deep breath and try to focus): I do not trust Trump because of his record of support of liberal points of view on issues such as immigration, gun control, freedom of speech or abortion. I do not trust him because he is not a conservative or a libertarian. Can you understand that?
Do you even try to make sense? Reciprocity a left wing concept? The public sector and other trade unions would be very surprised to hear that. When I said “fair” trade I don’t mean fair trade coffee or other such nonsense that requires social license and such other PC nonsense.
I mean reciprocity (look it up will ya) taking advantage of terms of trade, of comparative advantage (Ricardo was so right wing, just like Adam Smith!!), to benefit all trading partners, without politically motivated interference and command economies as in China, but not limited to her – think of French farmers with fields the size of my backyard driving their tractors through Paris with any hint perceived danger to their 100%+ subsidized operations. Trump wants good, not bad trade deals as a starting position. Why should China be permitted to tax imports and manipulate their currency?
At least Trump admits he doesn’t have all the answers going into office; no president ever did. Where’s the greater policy detail from other candidates? How does Cruz plan to implement a flat tax? How will Kasich promote his libertarian vision? They’re just saying they will, like Trump is saying what he will do, as overall vision. Hillary’s is too busy ducking the FBI subpoenas and getting her stories straight other than to present her vision of “fighting for us,” (that’s her folks) and making America whole again by continuing to adopt Obama’s reckless policies.
OTOH maybe free trade is leftie to you, could be. It seems your idea of moderate stems back to the politically correct for the time era of Joseph McCarthy; anyway you can provide detail on that if you wish.
As for abortion or Trump’s past positions, could care less because the guy doesn’t scare me. He’s a dealmaker. He doesn’t play by the old rules – make a promise, break it then claimed you kept it, or it was somebody’s else’s fault. If you don’t like the evolution of Trump, oh well. The American voters will decide his fate, not me.
No one who triples the debt, in my humble opinion, qualifies as a Conservative. As for Thatcher, I wasn’t aware that I paid taxes to jolly old England.
“Reciprocity a left wing concept?”
The idea that you will fight tariffs with tariffs is a left wing concept. And that is where all the crap about reciprocity leads to in the end.
Have fun electing Trump, I will have fun mocking you for the following four years. That is all for now.
“If Reagan, Thatcher and Harper do not pass your test … forget it, you end long before I begin,”
Me to you,”Recite the conservative creds of any of the past four Republican presidents”
I guess that was a little too hard for you to answer, so instead you threw three names at me, two of whom have nothing to do with the question, one(Thatcher) didn’t even reside on this continent.
As I stated before, anyone who triples the debt, fails to meet my conservative standards, and as for Harper, well my taxes didn’t go down, we still have abortion on demand, no politicians went to jail, debt still went up, the public service got bigger and richer, the army is…. well for lack of a better word, inadequate. A million more barbarians entered the country under his watch, unemployment is still out of control, inflation is rampant(don’t let changing the items in the basket trick you into thinking otherwise, I know the stats lie because I do the shopping.)
CBC still exists and the government continues to pay millions advertising itself.
That, in itself, should be a dead giveaway for any true conservative.
I could go on and on about Prime Minister Harper’s failings as a conservative, but I won’t. He made his choices for his own reasons, but true conservatism wasn’t one of them. You’re deluded if you think it was.
Trump may not be conservative, at this juncture in our history, it really doesn’t matter. People like you, like to define what is and is not, best for society and the country, unfortunately you are no Voltaire, or even a Mises, for that matter. Both, who would probably define themselves as Libertarians in this day and age, would scoff at your idea of conservatism.
Ronny ray gun is dead. He never was anything more than an actor, and not a terribly good one at that. Did he love his country? Undoubtedly! Was he a conservative. Absolutely not!
I lived through the sixties, seventies and eighties. They were tough times for the average working man, but delightful times for big business.
I don’t know how old you are , but sometimes you come off like a petulant child. Perhaps you look at those decades through rose colored glasses, perhaps not, but let me assure you of this. True conservatism ceased to exist somewhere around the death of Calvin Coolidge.
Sorry for the late reply, but unfortunately I still have to work for a living, you see, even though I work harder, and longer, I see a dwindling percentage of my paycheck, as I pay for the generous compensation, the generation that voted for the bastard Trudeau and subsequent Laurentide elites, awarded themselves, paid for by me, my children and grandchildren. No they didn’t earn it by self sacrifice,(not that many were combat vets)they stole it from the yet to be born, no true conservatives among that lot, and yes I railed against it then, as I do now. Goodnight.
I gave you examples of whom I consider true conservatives. If you disagree then so be it. There is really no point trying to convince one another. Likewise I have explained why I distrust Trump, you don’t care, fine.
As for my age and background I am past forty and have grown up behind the iron curtain. I lived through what I see is slowly creeping in here. You want to talk to me about desperation, hardship and uncontrollable state? Spare me your wisdom, what you read about I lived through. I don’t see Trump as a solution to any of it. If you do, good luck… and if you think you get to burn anything down because of Trump or despite him, like I said above: “be careful what you wish for”.