Population de la Communauté Métropolitaine de Montréal: 4 millions… Population de la Saskatchewan: 1.13 millions….
— DenisCoderre (@DenisCoderre) January 22, 2016
Via a reader who notes – Saskatchewan’s 1.13 million per capita contribution to equalization is about $500. Montreal’s 4 million per capita benefit from equalization is about $1200.
It’s not just Quebec. Ontario & especially BC are obstructing trade of all prairie provinces, where it comes to oil of any production sort transiting these provinces to markets domestic & foreign. The feds, god bless them, are part & parcel. They just layered another “review” onto Trans Mountain. Time to re-assess our contribution to Confederation.
Impose an import tax on CAW produced vehicles & watch them scream. Embargo central Canadian & BC products & watch them scream. Rip up CN & CP tracks at the choke points AB/BC & Ont/Man borders & they’ll scream even more.
Confederation is dead & so is this country. Enough is enough.
So that would be mob rule then, M. Coderre.
Would the resource producing parts of the Canada get a better deal if they were not part of Canada. Even if they didn’t get any new pipelines built at minimum they could keep their transfers to use on the necessary bribes. Perhaps it’s time we re-constituted!
the prairie provinces would be better off as a separate nation.
If there could be one good thing about Le Dauphin being elected it may be the return of Western Separatism!
Mr. Coderre is all in favor of pipelines from Western Canada. Well, only the one that funnels the billions in cash to them every year!
A septuagenarian, I lived and worked in most parts of Canada. Among the best years of my life with the best people were spent in Western Canada.
Make an old man happy and secede now, before I depart this Vale of Tears.
That might explain why separatism has faded away.
The truly scary part is Notley seems the more reasonable of Trudeau, Coderre, Couillard, & Wynne.
Well Trudeau will join the list when he’s finished his whirlwind (aka on taxpayer hoof) selfies promotional carbon burn tour.
I personally think Wall is going to kick all their dumb asses. The mediocracy, of course, won’t notice.
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2016/01/22/pipeline-fight-a-challenge-for-trudeau/#.VqKZMPb2aM9
That used to be my sentiment. Unfortunately Notley would still be the premier of Alberta, just in a new country.
I would like to know if there has ever been a study to show a net benefit of equalization for Canada. Can it be proven that it has worked? because I do not see anything differing equalization from provincial stagnation.
Denis is a Liberal.
Any questions?
Whenever a Quebec politician expresses opposition to something I consider it the same way organized crime decides to muscle in on a financial opportunity. If the pipeline proposal was to build an extension to a port in Quebec they would have no problem. However because the crude is being pumped to a refinery in New Brunswick the cut they would receive is far less than what they (the Quebec politicians in question) believe is owed to them by the ROC.
So naturally under the ruse of environmentalism they oppose “this” plan.
Not landlocked.
Ft. McMurray is on the Athabasca River. A route to the Arctic Ocean.
I’m sure some pipelines already go to the N. Saskatchewan (Edmonton is on that river). A route to Hudson Bay.
Throw pods filled with oil into the rivers and gather them up in August.
Safer than a pipeline, right?
Alberta, Saskatchewan and B.C. would make a formidable country. But Alberta on its own is land-locked. Alberta needs to get its crude to tide water. With the massive improvements in fracking of tight oil formations, America is no longer dependent on Canadian crude. Come on Canada. It’s 2016!
The Federal Government should claim a 1 km strip of land along the Canada – U.S. border. It can then approve an Alberta pipeline to the west coast and sell crude to the highest bidder. Each province would receive higher royalties with B.C. benefiting the most. Even Quebec would get more money. What’s not to love?
“Population de la Communauté Métropolitaine de Montréal: 4 millions… Population de la Saskatchewan: 1.13 millions…”
Population de la Communauté Métropolitaine de Montréal: 4 millions… Population de l’Île-du-Prince-Edouard: 145,200.
Montréal, Saskatchewan, PEI – one of these is not the same.
Yep, it’s Montréal. It wouldn’t matter if 30 million people lived there. It’s not a PROVINCE.
These actions appear to represent the culmination of a full-on economic blockade of the province of Alberta.
Never thought I’d see the day when Rachel Notley, a born-to-it NDPer, might conceivably be the person who leads Alberta out of Confederation.
Hey, whatever.
Port of Montreal Statistics:
http://www.port-montreal.com/PMStats/html/frontend/statistics.jsp?lang=en&context=business
Liquid bulk cargo….hmmmm, could that be primarily oil?
Dream on! She’ll give away the last of everyone elses dollar before that would ever happen!
I said “conceivably,” not “Yahoo! Rachel’s gonna save Alberta.”
Trust me, if it actually occurred, I’d be amongst the first to plotz myself.
Have you heard some of these mayors prattle on? They talk about finding new ways to tax and spend amd new ways to a green future.
Long story short, they often haven’t got a clue and because most people, except for the city workers unions, don’t care about municipal politics, they can usually sit there on their perch for as many years as they want.
Poopoolation de la communatoot de Quebec: 8 million, de la rest of le Canada: 27 million.
What’s votre point, Denis?
it’s far worst than that….
he’s from one of the 2 gun chucking demographics
Yep, Notley isn’t about to do anything to upset the system that got her elected. If Alberta was a separate Country, I think Notley might last as long as the proverbial snowball.
B.C.’s Liberal government is not particularly anti-pipeline or Alberta, but a huge number of voters in Vancouver and Victoria ARE, and being the good political whores they are, they’re trying to be just green enough to stay in power.
Of course if we decide to turf the Liberals,the alternative is the NDP, and all their glorious baggage. Our Dippers are even more radical than those in Manitoba and Alberta, we are fortunate to have many outright communists in our NDP, who jumped ship when the Iron Curtain collapsed.
So, here in B.C., all the old cliches about rocks,hard places, devils,deep blue seas, damned if ya do, damned if ya don’t, Scylla and Charybdis, or Christie and John Horgan, apply.
We used to think we were hard done by then we saw who you Albertans elected.
As Porter used to sing, “yes,gather ’round me,cause misery loves company”.
Who is taking your money and giving it away? Harper did it, and no the Turd does it.
I’d sooner give my money to happily xenophobic Quebec than pay for immigrants.
For that matter, I’d sooner give it to Quebec than Israel, too.
As far as wanting to secede, well, do you have troops and ordinance?
No?
Good luck seciring your tankers along the Athabasca or whatever.
As far as wanting to secede, well, do you have troops and ordinance?
No?
Good luck securing your tankers along the Athabasca or whatever.
If you armed the population of Sask, Alberta and northern BC like Switzerland does you could secure whatever you wanted. You could buy good Russian equipment with all that Quebec payola that you would save.
I was in Montreal in October 1970. We still had some troops & equipment, then. Took just about everything they had to “secure” Quebec City, Montreal & a few other places, within a few miles of the St Lawrence & Ottawa Rivers. Outside of Mr Trudeau’s home & some notable folks resident’s places, Ma Bell & the police stations & bridges, the place was wide open to the FLQ. You think the CAF has the horses to patrol all three western prairies, including their cities? That’s a lot of territory. Think they’ll shoot pissed off Canadians out here? For what? We’ll have a nice referendum, like Quebec feels it can do & decide if we want Confederation served up cold.
This country will collapse if east-west trade stops. Ten little banana republics trying to get along, stabbing each other in the back, trade wise. These obstructionist provincial governments in Ontario, Quebec & BC are playing with fire now. Political Climate Change will be a bigger issue, than the fraud of climate change is. If any of those provinces were so blessed with the geology that we have out here, climate change wouldn’t be on their radar. The centre would be ramming THEIR crude products down our throats, at their price & charging us the cost of the pipelines to get it to us, like they do with their CAW built overpriced, crappola.
The pipelines could go in f the Feds declared it in the national interest, don’t expect that to happen any day soon with doofus in the PMO
historically trade in Canada has not been east west but north south. We trade more with the USA than we do with each other.
suck it!
I suggested after the last referendum to my sister, who also works for the Quebec bureaucracy, that we in the west were thinking of starting a western branch of the PQ to encourage them to get the hell out. She seemed to think I was joking….I was then, not so much now. Sucking the life out of the productive provinces, one dollar at a time…..
Yes, the natural lines of trade are north south, that’s why the federal government has the constitutional power and responsibility to facilitate and if necessary force east west trade. That’s why the federal government gave away so much land and so much else to subsidise and bribe the builders of the railway that was promised to British Columbia so it would join Confederation. Without trade access to the east, and the Atlantic, B.C. had no reason to join and has no reason to stay. With the mountains as a natural barrier and access to Pacific trade B.C. is viable on its own. And if B.C. goes, the three prairie provinces will prefer a bad deal as part of B.C. to a bad deal as part of eastern Canada.
Simple answer. Build a terminal in Lancaster, Ontario and let the tankers wave to Coderre on the way down the river to New Brunswick.
So Mr. Coderre you would rather have Lac Megantic slaughters and a polluted St. Lawrence than a safer pipeline.Or rather you want your pig snout in a trough full of payola to get the pipeline through.Hey Shiny Pony the country is starting to get ripped apart get off your narcisstic ass and don’t be like your old man.
“If there could be one good thing about Le Dauphin being elected it may be the return of Western Separatism!”
You are probably right. Particularly if the Light One governs as I expect.
However, don’t wait long, the faux Quebec Separatistes are at the ready.
After a dozen years of Harper laughing at their piteous blackmail attempts, it won’t be long before the Liberal’s economic failures will be superseded by their heroic efforts to save the country.
The Liberals and the Separatistes go together like Martin and Lewis, Cagney and Lacey and Quebec politics and corruption. If you aren’t familiar with the Charbonneau Commission, you should be.