Some people want to banish this conversation from polite company, but doing so does not ban the conversation from occurring; it just bans polite conversationalists from adding their influence to the debate. The greatest beneficiaries of this approach are groups at the fringe who live to incite people to violence. – Jerry Bowyer
h/t EBD
When reading comments in left leaning papers, “tea party” is used in a derogatory manner. Tea baggers equates to racist in their feeble minds. There is going to be a reckoning I have no doubts. Pick a side and let’s get on with it.
Yeah well, be very careful for what you wish.
The eternal question has always been: “Is it time to start shooting the bastards?” And there is no right or wrong answer….
Counseling revolution has it’s hazards.
Revolt is treason, until it is successful, when it becomes the purest of patriotism.
There has always been a professional element among revolutionaries, and a very skilled cadre of counter-insurgeants employed by established regimes.
It is foolish to Babble about your guns and armed revolt, should “they” come for your guns. Cold dead hands….they are already trained to get YOU not your guns. “They” know the Allen Wests and Arpaiyos and will ruthlessly deal with them first.
Castro was still executing Batista officials when he purged his own ranks of the professional revolutionaries….he understood the principle….
Che Guevara probably escaped this process by, de facto, exile.
There is nothing civil about civil war…or it’s aftermath.
yah, keep looking for that hill to die on, before you find the choice will have been made for you. Che was set up by Castro, the first time or two were failures, but castro finally got the word to the CIA
That’s from FORBES = a long-established, well-respected business publication, a “mainstream media” outlet if ever there was!
Whether you agree or disagree, this is a FIRST in my grey-haired lifetime for ANY mainstream media to dare publish even the tiniest hint of “revolution” being perhaps, maybe, possibly, just-a-little-tiny-bit in the air. If a mainstream columnist has picked up the vibe, and if his publisher (FORBES = Wall Street itself, for God’s sake!)has seen fit to put it out there, then we REALLY ARE in new territory, or as the Chinese say, “living in ‘interesting’ times”.
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“The eternal question has always been: “Is it time to start shooting the bastards?” And there is no right or wrong answer…”
Ballots before bullets, I’ve always said.
However, IF the ballot box is being subverted, IF it’s being stuffed and your side’s votes are being suppressed and/or thrown out, THEN it’s trigger time.
That is the right answer.
Rebellions are only seen as just …if the rebels win.
In a street fight, you are a hero, if, and only if, you WIN … a thug if you lose. And first place only lasts as long as you can hang on to it.
Disagree. I could name a long list of failed rebellions which were just, beginning with the 1st and 2nd Punic Wars, and list some successful ones that were unjust, Bolshevik Revolution and Iranian Revolution, to name but two.
Bowyer states, “…when in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…” from Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence, but Bowyer only seems to imply in his piece that the U.S. Federal government is the ‘other people’ whose political bands need to be dissolved.
IF it is the U.S. Federal Government whose political bands should be dissolved, THEN the implication perhaps is that individual States are to be the ones doing the dissolving.
In my opinion, it isn’t the U.S. Federal Government vs several individual States, rather it is people on the Right who need to dissolve their political bonds with people on the Left.
Yes, this would necessitate a 3rd American Civil War.
correction, rather than Punic Wars the name should have been Servile Wars, of which there were 3, not just 2.
When the state deliberately and systematically denies the citizen-sovereigns the information they need to judge the actions of the state; and When the state fails to perform its first duty to preserve and protect the citizen-sovereigns’ basic rights, the exercise of which is the criterion of legitimacy of the state’s political power; and, When the state uses the various machineries of state as weapons (IRS, DOJ, NSA, EPA, and et bloody cetera) against its citizens, it’s time.
No person can consent to be governed under these conditions. Such a state forfeits its legitimacy. Resistance to it is therefore not treasonous.
“Resistance to it is therefore not treasonous”
Yes.
But were it to be overthrown the people who support this corrupt state would either replace it with another corrupt state or subvert the shiny new replacement state just the way they have subverted the present one.
Leftists are the problem and they must be rooted out branch and twig.
The answer is a civil war. After they are defeated, they must be made to leave, one way or another.
Even though, if it came, I would be in Toronto’s Annex gleefully attempting to better Blohkin’s record, IMHO the current situation is still FAR preferable to the human suffering a civil war would bring. Related:
OZ just a question how do you suppose you “make them leave?” they would just go into hiding they are and will never identify themselves in a war.They will hide like the Muslims wearing regular street clothes and carry out terrorist acts daily hourly.The days of fighting nobly of yesteryear red coats vs blue or grey or whatever are long gone for the left.
So we establish this how do you expunge the filth of leftism in a country without being “tyrannical”.
Also how do you keep china,Russia at bay? believe me I am all for america taking back the country by any means necessary and sending all political criminals like Barak ,Clinton,Valerie Jarret ,harry Reid,Nancy Pelosi , the idiots who ruined and corrupted Franny may,Freddie mac ,all the crooks on wall street.all being sent to jail, all assets seized also seizing the assets of George Soros the Rockefeller’s Tom Steyer all of them.I am for doing all of these things but the important reality is that america will fall because during the uprising and the taking back of the country China and Russia will see the opportunity to pounce on an unorganized warring america i do believe there are some bad jews as well how ever i stand with Israel i think there would be jews who plot against america as well so the only hope is at the ballot box, if it cannot be achieved then AMERICANS and THE REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD NEED TO ACCEPT THE FATE THAT WILL BEFALL THEM AND THAT IS A 1000 YEARS OF EVIL DARKNESS CHAOS SUFFERING RAPE MURDER INJUSTICE STARVATION WAR ON EARTH!!
Yeah stuff sucks and it’ll suck more if the States continues its slow motion roll to tits-up position. But oh well the world keeps on turning. Easy on the wobbly-pops there, tiger!
Bowyer states, “…when in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…”
When enough people get fed up with the government’s subverting of the freedoms then the time will be right, and only then. Many people of the American colonies were unhappy with King George’s government policy toward them for quite some time but it was the Revenue Act of 1767 that was the last straw and moved more people to think it was time to kick out the oppressors.
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/rev-prel.htm
My grandfather told me, which is confirmed by history, that the level of the Russian people’s concern with the treatment of them by Czar Nicholas’ government greatly increased after the disastrous 1904-05 Russian/Japanese War. This level of unrest in the middle classes again increased after repeated suppression on three occasions of the newly formed Duma (Parliament) after 1905, and led to a simmering serious desire for change. However it took a lack of basic food and heating supplies for the working classes in the winter of 1916/17 that by March 1917 turned the simmering to a boil. The revolution started with a need for food.
The Bolsheviks led a counter-revolutionary takeover of a young liberal-democratic government. Something like Robespierre and the other radicals took over the revolutionary government of France.
What will the trigger be in the US? A blatant show of tyranny or food?
“They” know the Allen Wests and Arpaiyos and will ruthlessly deal with them first.
That is ridicules because THEY are we, without us the WH administration doesn’t exist. A US President can’t issue a lawful command to kill or threaten Americans.
First comes the impeachment, which will be bi-partisan.
Impeachment “is” a Constitutional crises (revolution)
-how do you suppose you “make them leave?”
They can either emigrate or they could fill holes in the ground, their choice.
Staying to undermine a sustainable capitalist way of life will not be an option for them considering what lying dissembling destructive weasel parasites they have been up to this point in time.
How can we get them to leave without acting tyrannical toward them, you ask?
The need to avoid that is in your head alone, baby child.
Hello,… it’s a Civil War!
They have chosen to undermine civility, they can hardly expect to claim shelter in the bosom of that which they have tried to destroy. Civil Wars are nasty and they precipitate one by undermining the democratic process.
Consequences, consequences.
It is only that the strong consent to bow to democracy that bloodshed is avoided in human interaction at all.
Those who undermine democracy are opting to face the strong man with the violent impulse in democracy’s stead.
Realize: when you stand in a queue, you stand there at the consent of stronger rougher tougher people who have chosen to prefer civility over their ability to simply FORCE their way to the front and take what they want, NOW.
This is the civility that Leftists undermine when they abrogate the rule of law and choose direct action instead.
Leftists really can’t hide who they are. It’s a mental disease, and it shows.
I do take comfort in Winston Churchill’s comment, and I paraphrase; “American’s will try many avenues and eventually select the correct solution”.
This is quite different than “Britons will muddle through” which is more in line with Canada’s (Peace; Order; and Good Governance)-POGG.
POGG, Churchill, forever the aristocrat had limited interest in Canada except for exploitation. Canada was just another Colonial Entity for mercantilism sources of wealth in the British Empire. However, Churchill truly recognized America is different and was forever lost as a source of mercantilist wealth with the American Revolution.
If one moves towards accepting the slow steady climb to awareness of the “Reasonableness of the American Citizens” there are ever increasing signs of the danger in the pending changes of the “Social Contract of America”. The blatant incompetence of the Progressive wealth redistribution leadership has revealed this bulldozed effort is a failure. Rather than a foundation for the dependent citizenry, Obama care is now the catalyst for a return to self-sufficiency.
The steady observer, albeit a coat tail rider from a neighbouring country, regularly notes the changed atmosphere in the dialogue of mature, reasonable American citizens. The incompetence of Baby-Boomer control is ending; the automatic acceptance of special rights for people of colour; (President Obama has probably set aside African-American political leadership aspirations for a generation); Feminism is now passé as competent women recognize the travail of gut-wrenching competition is truly an arena for the testosterone motivated.
America will recover it’s footing; the parasitic existence of the Western World on the American taxpayer was due for change. This recognition will be magnified, as the pending implosion of the medieval world presses against the borders of complacent Europe and the Pacific/Indian/China waters.
Fortunately for Canada the nativism of tribalism has just about run it’s course. The destructive nature of Regionalism is now increasingly recognized. Desirable internal migration of the workforce will become the moderating economic influence and the path of limiting cultural iconoclasm. The true Canadian identity will strengthen. The inane attempt of top down artificial forcing of a specific regional food as the Canadian icon is at the ridicule stage.
I am hopeful for North America; for the ongoing pressure on “vested interests” to survive in global competition; for return to Scientific truth with the increasing awareness of the Slyentific Scam being unravelled.
Life will continue in the evolution of civilization. Is this not the goal for the individual within the Social Contract? Cheers;