I really don’t know what to think about Quebec’s Charter of Values.
Part of me says that it’s intolerant; the other part says, welcome to the ‘War on Christmas’, other religions.
I really don’t know what to think about Quebec’s Charter of Values.
Part of me says that it’s intolerant; the other part says, welcome to the ‘War on Christmas’, other religions.
“When the Muslim world reach modernity (maybe in 50-60-100 years who knows) …”
On what planet are you living? Muzzies have had lots of opportunity to “reach modernity” and it hasn’t happened yet. What makes you think that it’ll happen in the next 50-60-100 years? Supporting arguments, please.
QuestionableDipstick said: “I strongly oppose the charter.”
Of course you do. Ol’ Pauline asked you what you want, and now she’s given it to you, and you’re stabbing her in the back. You can’t help yourself I suppose, being French and all.
Then QDipster said: “There is no point trying to stigmatize Muslim francophone. We should unite with them.”
Oh, I agree. You should get right on that QDip. See how your “religion is eeeevile” thing goes over with those guys. Lay it on lots and lots of them, let us know how it turns out.
There was a time, not so long ago, that Christian Justices of the Peace were told, unceremoniously, that if their religion made them object to marrying gays, that they were welcome to find new work elsewhere… Welcome to the slippery slope that we warned about… Now all the Muzzies and Jews and Jedis can enjoy the ride down.
Pass the popcorn!
“…There is no point trying to stigmatize Muslim francophone. We should unite with them.”
E! NDPiste! ‘ti crotte.
Me, I agree, You should unite avec les Muslims. Away la…tout de suite. Hoppez vous a la Mosque la plus proche, and start uniting.
Why the heck are you people talking about wearing masks in public? You idiots have obviously never had to skidoo/walk to the corner store in -40 winter weather…
And you can’t enforce a contract if you don’t know who the parties are. So, NO MASKS.
So you’re against all forms of anonymity I presume? Please come out from your handle then unless you’re a cowardly hypocrite.
Our culture has ended the whole women-are-property thing. Newcomers need to be fully clued in, and banning the veil is a hefty swing of the cluebat.
That is not the government’s role. What is it about you people that makes you so dense that you can’t understand that simple concept?
Conservatives are disgusting hypocritical cretins. Truly their place is to be buried by history.
Do you have a real name, LAS? Care to share it with the crowd?
The only thing I like less than Quebec is Quebecers.. But I agree their new law will help Muslims assimilate while it drives the hardcore ones to settle somewhere else..
But..
Everybody else is going to hate this law as much as the muslims.. People are going to get mean and other things will be included because of that.. Rainbow flags but no cross? Charities but no Quran? Is that a candle I see? Where you praying in the bathroom?
Banning self expression because progressive made multiculturalism law is a bad move.. When all that needs to be done is change the law.. Rip up the Charter, ban human rights groups and let society regulate itself.. No more tinkering in things that are none of your business..
I think we would do just fine with the basic criminal code..
It just seems to there is no place in the state, the government, the one body that is intended to have a voice for everyone, to take sides.
If you want to run your own private business, then heck, ban whatever clothing you like.
But we all pay taxes, and we are all meant to have equal access to our government, in a democracy.
So we should not be judgmental about restricting the public service.
That being said, we do have laws against public nudity, so there are standards. So it’s a matter of deciding whether something or other is truly indecent, a threat, unwise for whatever reason, or an impediment to doing your government job. And to me, wearing a towel on your head is no threat to anyone, nor does it have an impact on anything, really.
Perhaps a niqab is a different story. Is a niqab a threat to anyone? No. In fact, those who wear the niqab claim it’s like public nudity to go without it. But it does have an impact on the ability to communicate – you can’t see facial expressions, you can’t clearly hear someone’s voice, and you can’t even identify who you are talking to. So that’s why the niqab makes me feel uncomfortable.
The QC charter is an abomination. If they want to ban wearing the niqab in the public service, I’m fine with that. But this charter is an affront to democracy.
Nice straw man LASsie, changing the subject much?
Clearly you don’t understand the role of government in a free society. It’s supposed to enforce contracts, keep the peace, and defend the nation from foreign threats.
Keeping the peace includes making sure some men don’t keep women as pets. Sovereign individuals, remember? In a free nation of laws, government defends the sovereignty of the few and the weak against the tyranny of the majority.
Try not to hate me LASsie, I can’t help it if you’re wrong. And ignorant.
Oh, and by the way. Being anonymous is not the same thing as going masked in public. I know you’d like to conflate those two things and pretend they are the same, but they’re not.
L-ass is under 16, so he is too young to revile…erm, to share it!!!!
As a died in the wool libertarian these laws always cause me discomfort and mental anguish.
I like to think of myself as principled, but I’m also pragmatic, willing to jettison principles when it comes to Muslims, understanding as well as I do the slow and steady colonization via the various MB fronts.
I partially jest.
Let’s just say that even a libertarian should be good with banning MASKS being worn while conducting public business, on either side of the transaction.
Therefore, no problem with the hijab (scarf). BIG problem with the niqab and the burqa.
NO FACE COVERING.
Hijabs allow us to get a sense of the extent of the invasion. When I first saw hijabs here in Vancouver I was reminded of the early scenes oh Hitchcock’s The Birds.
We aren’t permitted to wear masks at the banks. Even motorcycle helmets at ATM machines.
Bravo for Quebec doing the right thing. Judging by the comments here, there seems to exist a cultural connection between English culture and multiculturalism. This is evidenced by the visceral attachment between Britain and by extension English Canada to this multiculti garbage they have foisted upon us. And they will defend it tooth and nail. I guess it probably has its origin in some ridiculous nostalgia for British colonial past and the many cultures of the British Empire.
Unfortunately, this insane multiculti policy has destroyed the fabric of Britain and will do the same in English Canada, as there can be no social cohesion with multiculti. As Pauline Marois says, in England they are killing each other and throwing each other bombs.
But English Canada loves its multiculti and as Quebec gets rid of this garbage thankfully, Nenshi will receive it with open arms over there.
What is English Canada doing about the cancer of multiculturalism? Absolutely nothing, because it is deeply ingrained with English culture.
The Quebec law does not infringe on any rights, as contrary to leftist mentality there is no “right” to work for the state. People can still wear their potato sacks if they are so intent on doing so, but no one is entitled to a government job.
I much prefer the French approach. Go Quebec Go.
What you said.
Me too…because all of this can be a two-edged sword. Faces should be visible for all of the above mentioned occasions, particularly when getting boarding passes at the airport.
Osumashi, pleased to be of service.
Well now, it appears that another tread has gone slightly off course in the flame war vein.
I also repeat Lance’s great choice of a preamble. Two edged sword and all.
In Nanaimo we’ve begun seeing niqab clad women as well. I sent a letter to the editor of the local paper basically saying progressives -hey, it is Nanaimo – can’t have it both ways. They can’t bleat about misogyny, patriarchy and the oppression of women while at the same time supporting the right of Islamist (note I don’t use the term ‘Muslim’ in this regard) women to wear the niqab in public.
I’ve had quite a number of responses, all of them supporting my position that the niqab has no place in Canadian society. I contend that none of these women sat across a desk from a Canadian diplomatic officer while applying for a visa while wearing the niqab. If I’m wrong, that officer is not working in the service of his/her country.
The niqab is less a garment than a statement of Islamic supremacy – an ‘in your face’ (no pun intended) rejection of everything that Canada represents. It is Islam using PC jiu-jitsu, forcing well intentioned Canadians to tear their own society apart in debating, defending, de-crying and dismissing whether all symbols of religiosity should be allowed/disbarred. Because a few dozen/hundred or thousand women Canada wide either choose or are forced to wear this identity denying garment, everyone must bow to the same standard despite the fact the Christians, Jews and even Sikhs and Hindus have a long standing history of connection and contribution to Canadian culture, standards and values.
Politicians, journalists and community leaders are just too darned woossy to simply say that covering ones identity is not acceptable in public discourse.
Lets face it , they are targeting muslims, i’m ok with that !
why ? because muslims hate this country they call it dar al haram , they use our laws and accommodating culture against us to force there beleifs on us. you call me a bigot that’s fine what do you call the muslims who kill there own in this country to preserve there “honor”?
Anyway they should have been more direct in there attack and aimed it str8 at muzzies! there is a lot of things at play here I find it hard to feel bad for quebec because A)there hero trudeau foisted multiculturalism on Canadians B0 there own laws that they created have brought this on and that is immigrants to quebec MUST be from French speaking countries all of witch have huge muslims majorities lol!! good job dummies!!
“BIG problem with the niqab and the burqa.”
I did a search for the words burqa, burka, and niqab on mises.ca. Here’s the result: “Not Found
Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn’t here.”
If the problem is BIG how come it hasn’t been addressed by them?
“NO FACE COVERING”
Does Vancouver have -38 temperatures?
Fair question Rizwan.
I am a very regular visitor of Mises.org, the parent.
Interesting: no mentions eh? Silence. Not even rebuttals. Hmmm!
My guess is that they see no problem with Muslim immigration and that they believe the military-industrial-security complex is building up a faux enemy, keeping white hot hatred on the boil to keep the budgets growing. Enemy replacement after the end of the Cold War.
There’s an element of truth in this. But there’s even a bigger element of truth in the reality that we are being colonized by a totalitarian ideology under the cover of religion.
AND again wearing MASKS is not a valid religious expression. It’s something much darker.
Unfortunately in this area mises.org can only see amerikan villainy.
Psst. Sodomy is still illegal in Canada(CC.159).
Keeping the peace includes making sure some men don’t keep women as pets.
No it doesn’t. Some people get off on that kind of thing…or otherwise enter into it voluntarily and that’s all that matters.
This thread, shorter version: masks aren’t a ‘valid’ form of religious expression because I say so! Also, assorted piffle about Islamic supremacism and ‘Canadian values’.
BTW, wearing masks in public is perfectly normal. It’s called ‘winter’.
You just have to laugh when you see the words Quebec and Values used together.
The atheists (secular humanists) in this group want a Soviet system where only disbelief of God is permitted. In this they are very similar to Islam.Only these folks call it Religious freedom. Freedom not to believe in a God.
No wonder they smooze together. For now anyway. Muslims have played this game for 1,400 years. These folks are in for a shock to the neck.
To Islam stabbing your allies in the back is Holy with piety.
The secularists will get their State Religion. But even that only lasted ineffectively for 70- years in Russia.
Funny thing is if we had never allowed mass Invasion by radical Islam thier would be no need of Laws like this at all.
This is bound to turn on them in the end.The government that was so hip, is now the Establishment.