52 Replies to “On The Range With Jessie Duff”

  1. Great video the third time around when you can actually focus on the content and intended purpose of the demonstration.
    Yeowzeers!

  3. She mentioned that they shoot deer in the US with .223. I don’t think you are allowed to in Ontario. Can anyone confirm that?

  6. Per the Ont hunting regs, deer may be hunted with any “centre fire” rifle which would include a rifle in 223. It’s not recommended though because the 223 doesn’t do enough damage to humanely bring down the animal, ie. quickly. It will work of course, especially with a properly aimed shot to the heart/lungs.
    I myself use a lever action Marlin in 45/70. A 45 caliber hole is twice the diameter of the 223 and the animal’s suffering is minimized.
    And yes, yeowerrs indeed! And a good shot too.

  8. This video would have been fine without Hannity and the target board.
    It’s nice that Jessie pointed out how small the .223 is in comparison to the larger hunting rounds, but the media and anti-gun nuts don’t care. There are way more options in the semi-auto class when it comes to hunting and predator rifles, not so many in the “military” appearance class. Frankly, I prefer them to fixate on the insignificant rifles like the AR-15’s. It is the more accurate, better caliber and highly functional rifles used for hunting that I hope they never touch.

  10. She had me at “hello” I found myself looking at her hand for a wedding ring.
    dwright (I love women that shoot, so refreshing from the Left Coast types I meet out here.)

  11. I know that in BC, deer hunting with a .222 or .223 is illegal (or, at least it used to be) and most responsible hunters wouldn’t do it even if it were legal. 50 grain bullets just aren’t humane enough.
    Did she say her 5 year-old nephew brought down a deer? Holy crap…and I thought my family started them young.

  12. Knacker 47
    The target was essential to show the relative impacts.
    I have zero gun knowledge or experience.
    I found it very it very informative esp the bit about the cosmetic aspects of those “scary” demonized guns.
    Keep in mind that the child-liberals think that “assault rifle” is (if you’ll pardon the pun) a loaded term meaning “machine gun” which “no one needs”.

  14. Kate you are in breach of the unwritten law of MSM editors and journalists to dehumanize civilian firearms owners and spread irrational anxiety over the stable responsible “gun culture” which has existed in, and served this nation well for the past 300 years.
    Get with the global plan – demonize gun owners, spread hysteria in the last remaining civilian-armed free states and use this to disarm the faithful cattle who will blissfully become the tax slaves of the rising global governing cabal.

  15. Everything said in this interview is true. But it doesn’t matter. Logic is left at the Left’s door.
    The move to ban the AR-15 is a tactic to push for wider bans on semi-autos. I hope it’s defeated.

  16. Cosmetics are a big part of Canadian gun laws. The Armi Jager AP 80 is a .22 semi-automatic that looks like an AK-47. The RCMP declared it a Kalashnikov-variant and put it on the prohibited list. So, if I paint my Chevy Cavalier Ferrari Red, does that make it a Ferrari-variant?
    When I got may PAL, I was fortunate enough to have an instructor who was one of the gun experts that the Feds used in 1994-95 when preparing for the long-gun registry. He told me that the first thing the bureaucrats demanded was that any gun that had appeared in a Stallone or Schwarzenegger movie be made prohibited. I laughed. He said, “You think I’m joking? Remember when the Terminator was shooting up the police station? One of his weapons was a Benelli M4 – Super M90. Functionally, it is not different from any other 12-gauge shotgun…but the feds had planned to ban the version with the sleek, black, pistol-grip stock.”
    That’s the world in which we live.

  17. FWIW, if anyone here doesn’t know, the term “assault rifle” was coined by the Germans in WW11 as “sturmgewehr”, to describe their then new infantry rifle. By late in the war they realized that most infantry combat took place at short distance, so they needed a LESS POWERFUL rifle that could shoot more rounds quickly. The STG 44 fired a less powerful shorter 7.92 mm cartridge. The rifle was fed from 30 rd mags, could fire on full auto, and was a shorter, lighter, cheaper weapon than the beautiful, but not particularly useful for modern combat Mauser 98’s that they had started to replace them with when the war was winding down.
    The term really is meaningless now since all military rifles follow this format. It might have had some utility when there were still old fashioned “battle rifles” still around as a point of comparison. Now it basically means anything that liberals think is scary, and rather than humour liberals we should probably start calling them “modern sporting rifles” as their manufacturers now describe them. We would not be having this argument today in the Germans had called their new rifles “Zauber Einhorn gewehr” instead of Sturm gewehr

  21. Minuteman >
    Apologies Minuteman, I shouldn’t have said “anywhere in Canada” and should have said Alberta.
    I took it for granted that Liberal Socialist Ontario would have been on board as well. In hindsight I suppose that Ontario’s deer would be little wimpy things probably even mostly gay, so a .223 would no doubt be sufficient.

  22. Regarding the comment about “responsible hunters” and minimum caliber in BC. There is no restriction on caliber in respect to deer hunting, other than it must be a centerfire round. There have been several document examples of “responsible” hunters harvesting deer with .222 fireball with handloads, and expanding type bullets (Barnes).
    It’s all about your capabilities as a rifleman, the bullets you use and shot distance/placement.
    I’ve watch Jessie shoot a course of fire in IPSC, and she is a good symbol for the cause. I wish Canada had an organized gun rights association like the NRA, and the money to help fund a full-time (well spoken, pretty, female) spokesperson. Instead, we have a fractured east west (CSSA / NFA) groups that with what little money they do get, do an OK job.
    The problem there is that Canadian gun owners self destruct when left in a room (or a chat forum) for more than 5 minutes. The vitriol and hate between some segments of the canadian gun community is our worst issue. Some hunters are more than happy to sacrifice handgun/AR shooters to laws and politicians, some pistol shooters call hunters FUDDS for not understanding the enjoyment of handgunning. I say some in both cases as the vast majority respect each other’s discipline, but sadly the vocal minority speak up on forums (CGN) and drive wedges into the discussion. Once we overcome the understanding of how a group works together, we will win back the rights we deserve.
    Together we win, separate we hang.
    L. Hill

  24. L. Hill >
    Well said!
    Hypocritical gun owners piss me of more than the uneducated anti-gun advocates. You hear them all the time agreeing with banning anything OTHER than their own pet firearms.
    These morons don’t get the fact that tyranny is incremental, and that sooner or later their heads will wind up on the chopping blocks every bit as much as their firearms brethren that they stabbed in the back.

  25. It’s all about your capabilities as a rifleman, the bullets you use and shot distance/placement.
    Yes, of course, rules always have to cater to the lowest common denominator. The more rules made, the more mediocrity. Rules substitute someone else’s judgement over your own. Thereby removing personal responsibility.
    Leftist prefer rules and mediocrity over good judgment and personal responsibility. Hence, gun bans.

  26. You can legally use a .223 in Ontario, the restrictions are that you can’t use a ‘rimfire’ rifle. I’ve taken deer legally with my mini-14, with a 64 grain soft point.

  27. I agree, but even discussions regarding ethical hunting practices becomes nothing more than “flame wars” on Canadian hunting forums. In fact, discussions with my own friends/hunting partners can get quite heated.
    What we need in Canada is a bill introduced that would rival the second amendment. I believe we would see harmony among all gun owners and personal rights advocates when that happens.

  28. I’m going to go to the rifle range today, the are nice guys, sick of relentless Lefties telling me what I can or cannot do.
    I’ll pretend the target is “Shiny Pony” Turdeau
    dwright

  29. Re: RVR and the TAR-21,
    Now that is one sweet piece of artillery. As a “leftie” I was always at a disadvantage with long guns. I had to play “rightie” with the Lee-Enfield 303 and FN A1C1 in my military days so the TAR would be something I would look into using if I took up hunting again, although I’m not sure what a .556 cal would bring down.

  31. Tex:
    I know you meant 5.56mm, personally I wouldn’t use it on anything bigger than a coyote.
    But then, I haven’t personally shot anything bigger than a gopher in about 40 years. Lots of paper targets though.

  32. I don’t mess around with the .22 caliber stuff.
    I like .308, .303, and 30-30, and shoot all three very well.
    Jessie is very impressive, and is a wonderful person as well. She is the perfect example for the NRA to use.

  33. Knacker74,
    To call the AR-15 insignificant is a foolish. You do know it is available in other calibers as well, don’t you?
    Even more foolish is your willingness to sacrifice one type of gun with the ignorant assumption that they will never touch your favourite hunting rig. Remember, they won’t confiscate your scoped deer rifle, they will label it a sniper rifle first.
    How soon we forget the lessons we learned just 2 years ago with C-19.

  34. Rocky, it’s not restricted because the overall length is more than 660mm and the barrel in the bullpup (factory, not aftermarket, which are prohibited) stock is more than 470mm, and of course the mag is pinned to the ridiculously-Canadian 5 shots.

  35. batb >
    Oh yea go ahead and ruin it. What’s your problem with good clean Gun Porn?
    Not everyone comes to SDA for Obamba Bin Ladin stories you know.

  36. Knight99, Exactly. Wendy Cukier said as much a few years ago.
    Btw, L. Hill, I b elong to both the NFA and Canadian Firearms Institute. What is the CSSA?
    otterdriver, I don’t doubt that is how they will ratchet the process of elimination.
    My reaction to seeing her and watching her shoot was the same as many of the above, that being wow. It reminded me of many moons ago when I got to a parent-teacher interview about our oldest daughter and her grade four teacher about five minutes before my wife. The teacher would make a comment or ask a question and all I could say was hamma, hamma, hamma…hamma, hamma hamma. Thankfully my wife showed up and rescued my tongue tied self.
    Our second oldest daughter was in competition biathlon in the Canada Games in P.E.I. and now two of her children are following in her footsteps.

  38. L Hill:
    I haven’t hunted in BC since the mid 80’s…so I stand corrected. As I reflect, it may not have been deer, but moose/elk/caribou for which there were restrictions with regards to the amount of energy delivered by the bullet. It stands out in my mind because, around that time, one of my relatives took a moose with a 222…and kept secret what he had used because of “regs” – even though it was a well-placed single shot at 40 yards.
    Sure, you can say “It’s all about your capabilities as a rifleman…” But who exactly is to be the judge of that? I know people who would insist that their capabilities are more than they actually are. I know a couple of jerks who would say they could take out a deer with a .22 with the proper positioning. Clearly, there have to be limits.
    That is not to say that I am in favour of more restrictive laws – I am not. But I stand by the assertion that a responsible hunter – no matter how skilled – would be willing to admit that, since you can’t ever rely on circumstances being ideal, you can and should reduce the risk of inhumanely wounding/killing game by choosing a more appropriate caliber than a 222/223 for big game.

  39. To be honest I find it sort of silly using .223 Rem on deer. To light & too fast. I’ve seen coyotes shot with .223 55gr soft points within 50 yards which blow up to make a fist sized cavity in the body. They do slow down enough out past 150 yards but lose their energy advantage (the whole military purpose behind the .223/ 5.56 Nato).
    You legally can’t use “hide saver “solids on a deer, so it’s not a good option IMO unless making head shots. I would imagine they’d vaporize a deer’s head, which is sort of sick unless you’re in survivor mode.
    So in that light, you either need to hand-load them slower (what an energy waste) and use a heavier 65gr SP, or use expensive premium bullets as someone else above mentioned.
    You may as well go to a .243 if you’re that recoil sensitive, or can’t be bothered with hand-loading, and can afford more than 1 gun.
    My personal deer pet at the moment is a light little Tikka T3 featherweight stainless in 6.5 x 55 Swed. reloaded with 140gr Hornady SST @ 2770 fps. Very little recoil with plenty of umph for trophy bucks.
    It’s nothing fancy I own plenty of other more expensive rifles and calibers, but just dig this light and effective combo for packing around deer hunting. I still own a light Remington Mountain Rifle in .270 Win I used to use for the same purpose, but unneeded power coupled with the extra finish care & maintenance led to the budget oriented Tikka in synthetic/ stainless.
    I do own a Mini 14 .223rem that I tricked out for fun with an ATI stock, & Aimpoint red dot that I do also hand-load for, but it really sits idle most of the time – 99.99%. I much prefer the Mini 30 in 7.62x39mm for plinking, coyote sized game, or summer camp gun that would be a far more effective deer rifle if I was ever inclined to use it as one (which I doubt I ever would). My wife uses a Marlin 1894 Lever action in .357mag for the same purposes.
    None of that’s say’n that I’d lobby to not use .223 rem on deer, but I do think the Alberta limit on a .24 caliber minimum is sensible. There are allot of dumbass’s out there poaching and wounding things without encouraging them with what should be “expert only” calibers like a .223 for deer.

  40. …you can and should reduce the risk of inhumanely wounding/killing game by choosing a more appropriate caliber than a 222/223 for big game.
    Oh fer gawds’s sake, the alternative is they’re eaten alive by predators. Not exactly the end of the world if they’re wounded.
    Too much Disney…

  41. The AR-15 is not an insignificant rifle. My AR is my favourite rifle. And, like myself, millions of other shooters in North America have an AR-15 in their collection. The democrats are stupid to think that they can easily ban this rifle. There are too many shooters out there who are not willing to surrender their property to a corrupt rregime that only weeks into Obama’s presidency was smuggling lots of AR-15s into Mexico to try to undermine the Second Ammendment. The hypocrisy of the democrats and their contempt for American citizen’s rights and freedoms will be their undoing.

  42. Yukon:
    Thanks for that clarification, I have to admit that I have never really read the text of the regulation.
    All I know is that in 1984, I had a choice between a Colt Sporter Delta Match H-bar (AR-15) and a Steyer AUG as my new gopher gun. I picked the Colt.
    The rest, as they say, is history.

  43. Don’t get me wrong Otter, I don’t wish for any gun of any size to be banned. Like I commented on another thread, I am all for civilians to have the firepower necessary to equal what the military has.
    I personally own fire arms of various types, but if my opinion counts to my needs I will take a hunting rifle over any military rifle or hand gun. That does not equate me “sacrificing” any one weapon.
    So to sum it up, if they get their panties in a knot over a AR-15 so be it. I can’t fix stupid.

  44. To argue logic and reason with the same folks that slaughter their own people for the “Good of the State” is not a good idea. They just want the people, (meaning people other than themselves) to be disarmed and manageable so that “neighbourhood organizers” can do their work without resistance. Make no mistake, logic and reason do not enter this conversation.

  45. If you are not registered, then do not be worried. The government can not seize what they do not know you have.
    If they happen to seize your AR-15, I’m sure Jessie just taught you that there are bigger and badder guns out their that the government should be worried about.

  47. : Ken (Kulak) : CSSA: http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/ Probably the most active group politically in Canada by nature of their proximity to Ottawa. They helped usher through a lot of the people who testified during the various registry arguments heard by parliamentary review.
    My last point about shooting a deer with a .22 centre fire round. Do a search for “flat tops and fireballs”. A young fellow used a .221 fireball and Barnes XXX bullets as a test. First shooting into wood stumps, then using it to (easily) lung shoot a Mule Deer doe. The bullet technology since 2008 has jumped leaps and bounds from the last 30 years.
    Do I shoot deer with a .22, no. I use a .308 handloaded with a 165 grain partition type bullet. Works to 350 yards.

  49. Rather than fighting for any one firearm, I would prefer a push for reason.
    Canada needs a “second amendment” for both self-defense and potential government oppression.

  50. That’s good too, bottom line is that we should be fighting for more freedom rather than fighting just to keep the freedom we already have.
    The anti-gun lobby has to be put on the defensive for a change.

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