Nov. 29, 1947 was the day the UN General Assembly passed the plan to recommend the partition the British Mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted the plan. The Arabs — both local and regional – rejected it.
Nov. 29, 1947 was the day the UN General Assembly passed the plan to recommend the partition the British Mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted the plan. The Arabs — both local and regional – rejected it.
Pretty sure it was Fatah and Abbas that got rewarded not so much Hamas.
It pays when people are cowards or embrace evil. We see this throughout the West where governments have continued to reward terrorism by funding the terrorists. We see it where government officials and institutions self censer when it pertains to Islam and Muslims and even refuse to use the terms terrorism, jihad etc. Now again we see it when the majority of Western nations either voted to reward terrorism or were to cowardly to vote at all.
As a state Palestine has access to the international legal system. This BS international “legal system” craps on Israel for knocking off terrorists that lob missiles into Israel. Will this same BS international legal system stop Palestine from attacking Israel?
You right wing people are always bashing the UN as irrelevant and shit.
Then when the UN pass a resolution for the creation of Israel then suddenly the UN is relevant and worth citing as a reference.
How hypocrite.
LAS has a point.
Regardless of the merits…it seems the European members that supported this did so deliberately to prop up the PA against HAMAS.
Stupid but that was the thinking.
Rob C, “Will this same BS international legal system stop Palestine from attacking Israel?” Not likely, and I expect that if anything it will intensify as they know it pays off and they can drag Israel into the Stalinist show trials at The Hague.
QNDPS, you are truly and terminally stuck on stupid. There was a time when the UNITED Nations was relevant and accomplished good in the world. Let’s not forget that Israel was sanctioned 65 years ago. Ancient history I know but in the last 30-40 years the unich nations has been hijacked by vaccuus nobs such as yourself. That is why those of us with a few functioning brain cells see it as a parasite that increasingly needs to be removed from its host.
Apparently the muslims in the P.A. are so inept and corrupt at governing that Isreal needs to collect taxes and disburse pay on behalf of the Hamas / PLO “government.”
And these terrorists are recognized as a country?
The U.N. is no longer of any use to the world. De-fund the U.N. now.
I think it was an understandable reaction for the Arabs in 1947 to reject the UN creation of Israel.
Imagine a comparable scenario where the UN, an outside body, without any legal or moral authority over you, and with no referendum, votes to cut the country in which you were living in half; votes that you’ll have to leave your farm which you have owned for generations. How would we feel if the UN did the same in Canada? If the UN voted that half the nation would be given ‘back’ to the sovereign control of the Natives? And we who live here have no say in this decision?
I don’t accept the ‘First Footstep’ argument. I don’t accept it for the indigeneous peoples around the world and I don’t accept it for Israel. So what if ‘Jews were in Israel 2,000 years ago’. The land wasn’t empty when they arrived, and who knows if the land was empty when the Natives arrived in what is now Canada, the US, South and Central America, Australia, Africa and so on.
It’s utterly irrelevant because ‘First Footstep’ is an invalid argument to justify what is a political entity; a nation.
A nation is not a gene; it’s not inherited. It’s created by men, by a political decision.
Therefore, I focus only on reality. Israel exists. Now. Period. It exists with a constitution that requires a Jewish majority. That is its choice.
That also means that there is no ‘innate right of return’. It’s over. The Palestinians should be compensated for loss of property but they cannot return as citizens.
But the Palestinian people exist. Now. No other nation is going to absorb them. The fact that, as some claim, their ‘name’ is not 2,000 years old is irrelevant. Neither were most of the other national names in existence 2,000 years ago. And that includes Canadian and American.
I strongly doubt that the Islamic nations give a hoot about the Palestinians, for arabs are not homogeneous, and the Palestinians have always been deemed ‘the lowest’. I consider the real threat of Israel to the Islamic nations is its political and economic structure.
It is democratic and capitalist and the Islamic nations have been fighting, since a generation before Israel’s inception, against both democracy and capitalism emerging in their own lands. They don’t want such an example and such a vibrant progress oriented people in their midst. It will, ah, give their own people ‘bad ideas’. And it has.
As for the assertion that ‘Israelis or Jews are all good and Muslims or arabs are all bad’ that’s as innane as most universals. The orthodox on both sides have centuries of antagonism towards each other. Read their texts, read that Jews aren’t allowed to sell property to an Arab, that one ‘spits on the street’ when passing the other. These ancient tribal antagonisms aren’t going to disappear but they shouldn’t be allowed to rule reality.
I think that for the Palestinians to now declare that they are a state, is, let’s see, 60 years late…but note, that THEY are doing it. Not the UN. And not the other Islamist states.
As I’ve also long maintained, Israel cannot give up the West Bank because of the vital aquifers on the land. It cannot absorb the population there as citizens because that would destroy the Jewish identity of Israel. Therefore, it has to occupy the land. This creates a festering, angry population who have no civil rights over their own property and economy. The other Islamic states use this anger as a red herring to divert their own population’s anger from the disastrous economies of the MENA.
The other problem of a separate state of Palestine is the other Islamic nations. They are not interested in the Palestinians nor in any Palestinian state. They certainly don’t want to see the Palestinians living in a vibrant democratic and capitalist economy! But, I think the MENA are losing their tribal battle against this and will, in the next decades, move into a capiitalist democracy.
The real danger is, in my view, Iran, which is imperialist and has an agenda of control of the entire MENA. Israel is a key agent against this imperialism of Iran, but don’t think that Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, are in favour of Iran’s imperialism!
I think that Palestine, as a separate state, would be taken over in a second by Iran. Iran has already moved into the sublevel of the Gaza, into Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Egypt, Iraq. It would move into a separate Palestine, as the ‘legal’ government in a second.
Therefore I don’t see that a separate state of Palestine is feasible in the ME.
I maintain that the best solution to these two problems is an economic federation of Israel and Palestine, where both are intimately economically federated but where each are ‘states’ in control over their own societal infrastructure.
Oh, it does work. The Dublin government lost their taste for overrunning Ulster, for a while, when the UVF started blowing up Teigs in Dublin and Monaghan. The Teeshock Liam Cosgrave no longer thought the Provos’ doing Dublin’s dirty work was all that funny any more when it finally occurred to him that the UVF could blow him to eternal damnation as well.
You want someone to take you seriously? See that he knows that anyone trying it on with you signs his own death warrant.
QNDPS, the UN did not “create” Israel. Israel exists by the will of the Almighty. The UN resolution merely confirmed what the leaders of every member state in those days knew from their Bibles—that the Land of Israel was granted to the Jews as their birthright and that no heathen had the right to squat on it or take it away.
If those nations, having turned their backs on God, now want to throw in their hand with Amalek, so be it. Nothing of any importance has changed. God’s covenant is still in force, and His kingdom is very near. Be sure of this—the nations who stood with Amalek will live to envy the fate of Sodom.
Yours included, QNDPS, mark my words. Your miserable lot dreamed of having a place in the UN next to Qatar. You’ll surely have a place beside them in the pool of fire and sulphur.
Olde spice, I wouldn’t say that the UN created Israel out of goodwill, or because it was, back then, a moral and just institution.
The UN created Israel out of guilt. Guilt because the majority of nations had enabled, yes, enabled, the Holocaust. After all, it was clear in the years before the actual collapse of German democracy and the emergence of the Third Reich that it was deeply anti-semitic. But, the other European nations and North America, where the Jews were attempting to flee, refused to allow them entrance.
When the UN nations realized the reality of the Holocaust, they quickly ‘allowed’ the creation of Israel as a state. Not to acknowledge their own guilt, but as a means of bypassing that guilt. Oh, and hoping that most Jews within their own nations would leave for Israel anyway.
What do expect from a body of corrupt 3rd world racketeers – once Arab oil money started buying them brandy and hookers they turned on Israel like a rabid yard wolf.
That’s the biggest irony..
Hitler created Israel.
The Holocaust was such a huge tragedy that the western nations created Israel as a way to expurgate their own guilt of hundreds of years of Jewish oppression.
‘What do expect from a body of corrupt 3rd world racketeers – once Arab oil money started buying them brandy and hookers they turned on Israel like a rabid yard wolf.’
Posted by: Occam at December 1, 2012 2:47 PM
A perfect assessment, Occam.
Ezra has pinholed the UN in the same manner; the metaphor is obvious and we ignore the latter at our own peril.
Stop funding the UN – ‘the enemy of all living people’.
Yes, terrorism does pay. The Stern Gang, Deir Yassin, Irgun…some were Prime Ministers.
Does terrorism pay? Just ask maher arar and omar khadr! Oh yeah little omar never got his 10 million dollar settlement cheque or the apology from PM Harper yet.
That 1947 quote is the reason I refer to the “Palestinians” as West Bank and Gaza Arabs (WBGA), for Arabs is what they predominantly are. “Palestinian” is not a unique culture or a historical people group. The term did not exist prior to the 1960s.
Golda Meir: “There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist. ”
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The idea of a Jewish state was promulgated by Baron de Rothschild in the mid 1800’s. It was promoted by the British government and plans were in place to assist in it’s formation long before Hitler was a gleam in his father’s eye. The Ottoman Empire was defeated in WW1 and as a result, the League of Nations appointed Britain to be the protector in the region. The Balfour Declaration of 1918 was the trigger that would eventually lead to the formation of the State of Israel.Hitler had nothing at all to do with it. Please study history. You will learn many things by doing so and may be able to make an informed statement at some point in your life.
Mark, the term ‘Palestine’ existed long before the 1960s, from the time of the Romans, Byzantines and so on.
Besides, it’s a conceptual fallacy to declare that UNLESS you, as a group, have an ‘inherited name’ for what..how many thousands of years, THEN, you don’t exist as a group? The name of Canada didn’t exist 500 years ago; the name of the USA didn’t exist before the 18th century. So what’s your point?
IZC, the ‘idea’ of Israel is a basic component of the Jewish faith and didn’t begin in the 19th c. An important ceremony, the Seder, held by the family in the spring, outlines the release from slavery in Egypt and it ends with the phrase of hope of return, ‘Next year in Jerusalem’.
But whether this means the actual existence of a Jewish state, with Jerusalem as the capital, or whether it is intended as a metaphor of eternal hope, is debated. My point is only that the idea of the land of Israel is integral to the Jewish faith.
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You will never educate these Scofield brainwashed idiots. They get all thier history lessons from John Hagea.
Most here don’t know that Argentina was the second choice to Palistine for a Jewish homeland. Go ahead and google Theadore Herzl. All this was way before the second world war. And by the way International Zionist Conspiratorr, Baron de Rothschild was against the idea in the beginning. These Bolshiviks were slautering Palistinians before the UN gave the Jews thier state of Isreal.
Well Shawn, I guess Sir Martin Gilbert ( official biographer for Sir Winston Churchill) was wrong when he wrote that Rothschild was in favor of forming a Jewish State. Hertzl did indeed suggest Argentina as a destination for displaced Jews however it didn’t get much traction from others.
The Bolsheviks slaughtered, de facto and de jure, many people from many ethnic backgrounds during their heyday. Not the least were the Jews of Russia.
“As for the assertion that ‘Israelis or Jews are all good and Muslims or arabs are all bad’ that’s as innane as most universals.”
Posted by: ET at December 1, 2012 1:42 PM
I don’t think most supporters of Israel see things as black and white as that.
Here are some reasons I support Israel:
1.It is the only stable, solid democracy in the Middle East. (I’m skeptical about governments run by the corrupt Fatah and violent Hamas)
2.Israel is a small country with 6 million Jews surrounded by 100 million hostile Arabs. All things being equal, I prefer the underdog.
3.Israel as a nation has come back from the dead, as it were, and perhaps God had something to do with it. “Shall a nation be born in a day?”
It may be God hasn’t forsaken Israel in spite of the horrors of the holocaust. It’s not something that can be proven, but if God was involved in the rebirth of Israel I can’t remain neutral or join the other side.
“Nov. 29, 1947 was the day the UN General Assembly passed the plan to recommend the partition the British Mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state.”
I could be wrong on this but I don’t think I am. When Israel was created British Mandate Palestine was divided into a Jewish state and an Arab state. Unfortunately someone named the Arab state Jordan. If they had just called it Palestine we might not be going through all this naus today.
I suppose that if there is a positive to this travesty by the UN – might be that if “Palestine” continues to lobe rockets into Israel – then Israel will be well its rights to declare all out war on that “state” and mop it up.
Barf…………
O – as far as I am concerned all muslims are terrorists. When Christians and Jews can move to Saudi Arabia and be respected in the new multicultural arab world I will be happy to break bread with you. Until that day comes, as far as I am concerned you are an enemy alien, and I don’t give a rats ass about your opinion.
Yes. The UN rewards “terrorism”. Just like it did when it created Israel after Zionist Jews also committed terrorist acts.
What a tw@t that guy is.
The UN finally gave the people of Palestine a chance at peacefully creating a state on the land they’ve lived on for countless generations. To be sure, there are dangerous radicals within Palestine, but Israel has no shortage either.
Both sides have a choice… figure out a peaceful path forward, or continue fighting forever. Right now, I don’t give either side long term chances at survival.
They stold Arab land.