“The people who believe that colleges and universities are places where we want less freedom of speech have won,” Mr. Lukianoff says. “If anything, there should be even greater freedom of speech on college campuses. But now things have been turned around to give campus communities the expectation that if someone’s feelings are hurt by something that is said, the university will protect that person. As soon as you allow something as vague as Big Brother protecting your feelings, anything and everything can be punished.”
The Bolsheviks appear to have won.
The answer is simple. Since the Univesity is a commercial enterprise. Don’t go. Offer alternative education. I have read alot about those evil anti free speech and over the top politically correct institutions, but have never heard mentioned an alternative universities. Surely, there must be one?
The right has abdicated responsibility for what goes on in the education system. If the USA is in such trouble then where does that leave Canada. My experience back in the late ’60s and early ’70’s was that at best the socialists and worse the communist were well established. Indoctrination does work so why should we expect anything less.
Not a problem for those studying hard sciences; no one has time for speech, free or otherwise, they’re too busy learning useful things.
Ann Coulter is verbotten but bestiality/infanticide advocate Peter Singer is welcomed.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/17/after-barring-ann-coulter-from-campus-fordham-university-welcomes-infanticide-advocate-peter-singer/
Another quote from the article….
In his new book, “Unlearning Liberty,” Mr. Lukianoff notes that baby-boom Americans who remember the student protests of the 1960s tend to assume that U.S. colleges are still some of the freest places on earth. But that idealized university no longer exists. It was wiped out in the 1990s by administrators, diversity hustlers and liability-management professionals, who were often abetted by professors committed to political agendas.
Or in other words the smug self involved boomers (my generation and shame) have been studiously ignoring the reality of these culture saboteurs. Head in the sand as usual on the dangers that abound and incapable of recognising enemies and threats to our way of life.
The best part (or worst) …. how many now hairless,toothless and decrepit profs were posing as campus “radicals” back in the 60s and now demand and support the suppression of free and open intercourse on their campus.
I said back in the day that these clowns were phonies, cowards and hypocrites … I was right over 40 years ago and remain so to this day.
As long as you agree with them you’re alright. It’s when you disagree that they get all up in your face. Since the election down south my cousin hasn’t spoken to me because of my conservative views. How pathetic is that? You can’t even let a relative have an opposing view?
Universities are an embarrassment. Mediocre narrow-minded morons run the places, and run up big bills, for almost no value.
ct said”The right has abdicated responsibility for what goes on in the education system.”
no ct, it isn’t the rights fault, it can be explained by simple mathematical modeling, things will always go in one direction or another because of “mathematics”. Lefties tent to go for more “education” thusly their are more of them in the education system, so the whole damn thing will eventually swing “left”, and we know that lefties are all about control, not freedom. The last century’s history tells the true story with it’s 100 million dead by the hand of lefties
as the freedoms of the 60-70T’s on universaty campuses, that was just an illussion, because it was mostly STUPIDITY that prevailed, not “speech” or freedoms!!!!
If you read the comments at the link, it’s a very good example of the type of brainwashing that goes on ,on the Left. The first comment is a good one on p-c and the destruction of opposition on campus,but the following comments segue into an attack on conservatives and anyone who didn’t support Obama.
He IS the saviour,and no one is allowed to say anything less.PC twits.
Speaking as a man who’s spent a lot of time in university, the modern BA degree is not worth the paper they photocopy it on. Trades education isn’t that great but is better value for money. You can learn on the job with a certificate, and you at least know which end of the torch the fire comes out when you start.
However it can be -excellent- fun to taunt and deride the professors if you are stuck being in a university. Just speak unassailable truths that run counter to the drivel they are spewing any given day, and watch them froth at the mouth. “Water is wet” can get a rise out of any PoMo social science weenie any day.
It helps to be a grown-up, but isn’t 100% mandatory.
who in their right mind thinks these clowns know how to teach a kid to get a job….
…but isn’t that the whole point of higher ed?
If you’re a conservative, pick a STEM major. Keep your head down, study your STEM subjects rigorously and get As. For the “liberal arts” subjects, just do the material, don’t make waves and fake your essay thesis if you have to get a good grade. Once you graduate, there are no more “humanities” courses for graduate-level degrees. Then you go into the private sector where you can earn 6-figures easily. Sure you might have to endure the occasional Buchenwald-type HR supervisor, but you can’t have everything.
What is of no surprise to me is the statement that administrators and bureaucrats outnumber the teaching staff. I see that same in government where non-union staff are equal to or outnumbering union staff. Those who are administrating a system trying enforce a theory that doesn’t work in practice and those who make the decisions and never having to take the responsibility for their actions or consequences those decisions.
“I believe that political correctness can be a form of linguistic fascism, and it sends shivers down the spine of my generation who went to war against fascism.”
-PD James (English novelist)
“The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.”
Whew…what a relief
..I was worried it might have been voter fraud
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/18/3103420/allen-west-seeks-hearing-after.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
Anyone who thinks deviation from the left wing line is encouraged or even in most circumstances permitted at universities has never been near one.
OMMAG has it right. When I was a freshman, our first-year seminar group studied the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley and the the broader question of free speech at universities. At the time, I don’t think anyone disputed that all views presented without force or fraud should be tolerated on campus. Within four years, however, I saw some of those same people physically harassing and intimidating people with points of view they disagreed with. Over the following 40 years, those same thugs have become professors, academic deans, foundation flunkies, and other pillars of the establishment (just like their parents, against whom, I gather, they were rebelling). And they are still thugs.
@chris 10:11 –
That approach doesn’t work in Canada since Universities are subsidized by the government. Sizable campus elements can only rationally be viewed as social welfare projects, a subset of which are blatant subversive incubators. This is a fact of life in a free country. We can’t just line them up and execute them. Progressives have outflanked and overwhelmed conservatives throughout western culture and institutions, and it would take something akin to ‘shock therapy’ of eastern Europe 20 years ago to shake things up. (Un?)fortunately Obama is accelerating this process in America.
And somewhat related.. comparing domestic and international tuition fees is one way to approximate true costs. Percentages vary, but it’s safe to say that each Canadian student receives thousands per year indirectly through subsidies. And, somewhat bizarrely, there’s always some campus kooks chirping about “tuition equity”.. these people are tying to get Canadian taxpayers to subsidize foreign student tuition. I kid you not.
And by the way… off topic – but if anyone has a line into Hon. Minister Kenney’s office, they could ask him WHY, at a time when wealth is FLEEING Europe and America, our immigration bureaucracy has SUSPENDED investor class and entrepreneur class immigrants while simultaneously increasing international student and temporary foreign worker immigrants? Does this sound like CPC or NDP policy?
I’m reading the book now and find it unusual
that Lukianoff says he’s a long time Democrat,
has never voted Republican and never will, when
most of the censorship and free speech control
at universities are done by Liberal profs and
administrators, who consistently vote Democrat.
Posted by: Chris at November 18, 2012 10:11 AM
“The answer is simple. Since the Univesity is a commercial enterprise. Don’t go.”
University is not commercial. It receives lot’s of government support, even down to the student loans.
If you’re a conservative, pick a STEM major. Keep your head down, study your STEM subjects rigorously and get As. For the “liberal arts” subjects, just do the material, don’t make waves and fake your essay thesis if you have to get a good grade. Once you graduate, there are no more “humanities” courses for graduate-level degrees. Then you go into the private sector where you can earn 6-figures easily. Sure you might have to endure the occasional Buchenwald-type HR supervisor, but you can’t have everything.
Posted by: SmoledMan at November 18, 2012 1:36 PM
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Sigh. I wish that was still true. I am a scientist and mathematician. I see the rot here as well, with “climate change” as the litmus test.
“Hiding the Decline” by A.W. Montford deliniates the endless lies and lies upon lies by politicians, university administrators and, sadly, the scientists — all clearly aware that there will never be a reckoning — unless it is the funding that comes from toeing the party line.
— Bad News
The plan all along by the Marxists has been to subvert and takeover the educational facilities.
OMMAG @ noon, ably backed up by Roseberry @ 3:58 p.m. and Ken (Kulak) @ 8:13 p.m., nails it. The ’60s hippies are now running the show; their calls for “free speech” were as phony as a three dollar bill.
Yes, it’s Marxism that did the dirty deed, and his followers from the Frankfurt School, probably Marcuse the most influential, at least in recent decades.
As I’ve said many times, Marxism didn’t just show up out of a clear blue sky. The more thoughtful of human beings with a philosophical bent have always tried to answer the fundamental questions about human life, and “how do I know what I know” is up near the top, since it underlies all the others. Descartes, Hume and others tried to answer it without any real success. But the wheels really came off the wagon with Immanuel Kant. He decided that we can’t really know anything, we can only know what we believe we perceive through our senses but cannot know the “thing-in-itself”. In other words, he divorced reason from reality. This is pure mysticism, and the most destructive philosophical notion in history. Every time you hear some violent thug advocating “direct action”, for example, it stems directly from Kant, in that this person has accepted the false dichotomy and is going with “reality” while turning his back on “reason”. G. W. F. Hegel, in the early 19th century, started from the Kantian basis and decided to go with “reason” as opposed to “reality”, and concocted a preposterous fantasyland “philosophy” that was the Scientology of its day, yet it was accepted into the mainstream. Then Marx came along and “stood Hegel on his feet”, meaning that he went with the materialistic side rather than the idealistic side, i.e., the physical rather than the mental (more correctly, in philsophy: the metaphysical rather than the epistemological). This in turn was followed by the Frankfurt School, who wondered why the working class had not risen up to overthrow capitalism in western Europe (answer: the standard of living was rising too fast, and the working class knew it). So they came up with the agenda of “political correctness”, to recruit minorities, immigrants, and the “victim” underclass(es) into a substitute working class. This is the false ideology that prevails in the universities to this day.
Every law or regulation that intervenes in the productive free market plays into the hands of these ivory tower yet anti-intellectual barbarians.