Do not judge a man, for he has coloured skin:
President Barack Obama is backing a controversial campaign by progressives to regulate schools’ disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behaviour.
This sorta policy will accelerate the trend towards an emotion event (civil war)…..but I suspect that is it’s intent.
That sound you hear is MJK spinning in his grave.
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. ”
But what should we expect from America’s first Affirmative Action President.
Funny how these lib twerps play into the hands of the worst bigotry. In their opinion, apparently, blacks are simple and must be allowed to run free, thus further destroying their chances in life.
Somewhere a Klansman is laughing his butt off.
I would encourage readers to click through to the original article. That is, if you can handle the reality of how quickly the USA is now circling the drain. First, economic engineering and now social/ racial engineering. Truly frightening how Obama’s socialists have gained the upper hand.
ponder this topic, then read VDH today . . .
http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/california-the-road-warrior-is-here/
That’s a big drain.
Colour blindness is bigotry.
Orwell missed one.
The divisiveness of the Leftist mindset is breathtaking. What’s even more amazing at how they still call themselves “progressives” with a straight face. For there sure ain’t no “progress” amongst “progressives” these days, that’s for sure!
The “progressives” are the biggest bigots around. I don’t bother calling them racist, because it become so obvious no one can’t but see it. All they think about is skin color or status by physical differences.
Just like gays are obsessed by sex but pretend to be normal sexually. Yet have a 100 partners a year.
More tribalism, more advantages to set up hierarchies of graded people in collectives.
America is now probably more divided than before the civil rights wars. All thanks to so called Equal opportunity. Which is just a euphemism for special social status by Government favor to some.
No good will come of this since the coming generation will not see equal law applied to all.
That means common goals, or the right by hard work to achieve privileges.
Special privileges will be assumed because of the phony idea of race to begin with. No sacrifice or talent needed. Just a government fiat. Certain tribes become more equal than others by a mile. By fashion of the day. Arbitrary elites by no standard but so called race.
It will in the end cause strife , but worse degraded the common weal by not choosing the best in any field of endeavor but scarecrows made to order to keep the Liberals happy as anyone with real talent are scared away from excelling.
There is such thing as race? And here all along I thought race was nothing more than a social construct.
Why do my posts get flagged latley, when there is nothing bad in them. Is it the filter that has become so esoteric? Most of them are so innoculious they don’t even have a bad word in them, or judgement. Than they never get posted.
Let me see; if there sre five gang related issues of violence by one group; four instances of not doing homework on time by another group; and three late for class by the third group; then–
there will be discipline for three gang related instances for gang related violence; three instances of discipline for not doing homework assignments; and all of the third group will be punished for the three absences.
Have I got this correct? Cheers;
So, all ethnic groups will have equal suspension rates.
This will be required of all school districts, and will hurt the education of black children who want to learn, as the troublemakers will be left in the class room to disrupt.
Undoubtedly, this will be introduced into the prisons, next. One of the radical groups supporting this commented on the problem of minorities going ” from the schoolhouse to the jailhouse ”
So while considering punishment for behavior outside of the norms, B. Hussien is going to consider the race of those individuals. … because they were hard done by in generations past.
How is this different from the Supreme Court of Canada insisting on different rules applying to incarceration of First Nation individuals in Canada? … because they were hard done by in generations past.
It’s all poison politics. in the current generation.
Judge not a man by the colour of his skin, but by the content of his character.
— Well-known racist Martin Luther King
So much for creating a colour-blind, post-racial world – this is the exact opposite, it’s post-modern racism.
(so if there is a rash of murders by whites do we execute a couple of blacks and asians and hispanics randomly chosen to keep the racial penalty balance?)
BamBam wants ypu to know his brand of soviet socialism is an equal opportunity oppressor.
I pity the poor white and Asian kids who have to be suspended in order to meet the quota…”Ms Chin, you only received an 85% on your chemistry exam…5 day suspension…go home and study harder”, “Mr Smythe-Jones…79.5% in physics 10 day suspension for you”…”Mr. M’balo Jackson, you stabbed a kid in the cafeteria for looking at you funny…7 day suspension!!” See we’re all equal
To be fair to the children we must segregate the the schools to compliment the justice system ( Zimmerman, the knockout game, flash mobs ), and the immigration system……..and the insanity defense.
Just part of the ongoing effort to pretend that one racial group is not doing 95% of the violent crime in the USA. (Which group shall of course remain nameless, due to the hordes of bleeding hearts combing the interwebs, looking for an excuse to be outraged.)
On the bright side, its really easy to tell when you’re in a bad neighborhood.
@Phantom You can tell by all the identical houses with minivans in the driveways, right?
K.Stricker, yeah that’s it baby. Minivans in the driveway, nicely;y manicured lawns, dead giveaway.
Say, I wonder what kind of suspension these teens will get under the Barry Method?
chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/07/29/mob-of-teens-steals-3k-of-jeans-from-wicker-park-store/
Here on the coast, check payments to natives for attending school were distributed in front of all other races of students. There was much triumphalism and teasing by the native kids. this cohort of non-native students are now in their twenties and virulently anti native.
Nothing is permanent. If you push a swing in one direction and stubbornly stay in the same position, it will hit you in the face on the way back. The mutual resentment between social groups will grow until it is resolved in a sad conclusion.
One day, Canadian apartheid policies will bear an ugly fruit as well.
As any mother of a large family could tell them, if you don’t treat all your children the same way, you will suffer the consequences when they grow up. Favortism is poison. Affirmative action is poison. Race based social engineering is poison. The genesis of all civil wars and class warfare is unequal treatment amongst the citizens. Too bad politicians can’t seem to learn from history, but then again, even the best education can’t teach common sense.
That whole slavery thing wasn’t such a bright idea after all.
The hilarious aspect of this is that the kids who have the highest standards set for them will be the most successful in adult life, in part thanks to those high standards.
It’s like a track coach trying to favour one set of “disadvantaged” kids by easing up on their training.
So perhaps I should thank these progressives for equal opportunity for their contribution to the education of Caucasians and Asians, if it weren’t terribly incorrect to do so.
In other words, if a white receives the same punishement for a lesser “bad behavior” than a black receives for a more serious “bad behavior” then what we are doing in reality is over punishing whites.
I’m not cheating here. I am not playing games or twisting words,
Let me compare this to a traffic violation as numbers will help us see this more clearly,
If you run one stop sign and if you are white you must pay a $100 fine,
while a black man who has run twenty stop signs only pays the same $ 100 for all of those twenty infractions,
in other words,
the white man is paying a fine that is TWENTY times higher than the black man has to pay.
( the black man is only fined 5$ per infraction ; 20 X $5 = $100)
You are not really punishing equally , you are punishing whites more than blacks for the same bad behavior.
Clearly, What Obama wants is over punishing whites.
What I am saying here is not racism or hatred, it is not even an opinion, it is simply the facts.
The goal here is to punish whites more than blacks.
It would not be that much of a “stretch” to conclude Obama hates white people.
Again not an opinion, simply looking at facts.
And it does not take a degree in psychology to see that under punishing blacks will simply re-inforce bad behavior.
Leniency makes kids behave more badly, while fear of consequences has a deterring effect ( nothing is 100% effective I know I know )
Punishing a race more than another is racism, it is Obama who is the racist , not me for pointing out the truth.
But hey! Obama – if re-elected – will quickly solve that problem ; we will not be able to post opinions on the internet any more unless they are aproved by the racist liberal establishment.
Either that or the people will revolt and there will be civil war…it may take another 25 to 50 years to reach that point, hard to say…
Typical progressive liberal upside down loopy logic, what’s next blacks get one murder, one rape and one child molestation charge before they face a jury??
Here is the actual exec order: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/26/executive-order-white-house-initiative-educational-excellence-african-am. Suffice to say, nowhere does it mention or even imply regulating “schools’ disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behavior.”
Meanwhile, here’s where that crazy notion actually came from: ““What this means is that whites and Asians will get suspended for things that blacks don’t get suspended for,” because school officials will try to level punishments despite groups’ different infraction rates, predicted Hans Bader, a counsel at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.”
So, Fox News (“fair and balanced”) interviews one guy who appears to simply guess, based on zero actual evidence, that something might happen in the future that would somehow be Obama’s fault, even though the actual language of the WH policy says nothing remotely to that effect, and that’s enough for Fox News and EBD is see in this initiative “proof” that Obama is “backing a controversial campaign by progressives to regulate schools’ disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behaviour.”
Remember how you used to accuse liberals of Bush Derangement Syndrome…?
I read the order davenport, and I didn’t know daycare, kindergarten and all levels of education above that had whites only signs on their doors? Could it be so simple that no matter what color of your skin and status in society – it just might be wise to raise your kid after you spit it out, not treat them like a pet hamster that eventually escapes?
You’re baldly misreading the cited lede from the Fox report, Davenport. It didn’t say, as you claim, that Obama’s executive order would regulate disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behaviour. What it said, in what I thought was plain English, is that the executive order is backing a progressive campaign to implement race-based discipline, which is a reasonable interpretation of the executive order’s directive to promote a school climate that doesn’t rely on “disparate uses of disciplinary tools” — the key word being “disparate.”
The larger context, which is in the full report at Daily Caller that the Fox article directs readers to but which you may not have read, shows that there is indeed a progressive campaign to even out punishment rates among different race groups, and that, again, the directives and language in Obama’s executive order are contiguous with this campaign.
Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder stated in February that students of color are “disproportionately likely” to be expelled or suspended, and that –
One would have to be willfully blind to argue that such statements coming from the administration aren’t openly advocating, and pushing their demands for, equal rates of punishment for different groups.
The DC article also notes that the campaign for race-based discipline won a victory recently in Maryland where — and this is according the Washington Post, hardly the right-wing bastion you accuse Fox News of being — “the state’s board of education established a policy demanding that each racial or ethnic group receive roughly proportional level of school penalties, regardless of the behavior by members of each group.”
The state board of education’s decision requires that –
It is these sorts of “campaigns” that the Fox New article said Obama is “backing” with his executive order.
What you characterize as a Fox News-promoted “crazy notion” that members of major racial and ethnic groups will be penalized at equal rates under the aegis of the sort of policies being promoted in the executive order is indeed crazy, but it’s being promoted and enacted by progressives such as yourself, not by Fox News.
If you misread and misrepresent the opening lede, and then neglect to “read the full story” to obtain the full context as per the suggestion at the bottom of the article, that’s your own fault — or maybe it’s Fox News’ fault, and mine.
As anyone who has ever taught a class can tell you, if you don’t have discipline, you don’t have control of the class, you don’t have the students’ attention, you are useless as a professional.
Teachers (if they are worth their salt) should leave in droves. You can’t administer affirmative action discipline if you’re not there.
Give it up, ” Davenport “, this executive order is just another example of how your candidate’s radicalism is overwhelming the efforts of members of the blogging radical left, like yourself, to maintain an innocent explanation of Obama’s radical policies, of which, this is not even the latest example. ( Gay marriage was officially included in the Democratic platform today )
It’s a shame that minority student’s education; their futures, are being made more difficult in the name of Barry Obama’s pandering to the radical left.
This executive order is just one more example – as if yet another was really needed – demonstrating that the Cloward-Pivens mindset – that is, destruction of American institutions, is the true aim of the left/Democratic Party.
It should be clear by now that “progressivism” is completely irrational.
Davenport is just out of sorts because she’s had two sacred cows shot out from under her in the same week. First global warming and now this. Wouldn’t be the first time she’s come on here and said “That doesn’t say what it says!”
I think her problem is that she can’t bring herself to believe that her hero Barry could be dipstick enough to back a program so fundamentally illiberal (and fundamentally moronic) as “race-based school discipline”.
Hence the reading comprehension disorder.
The comment on favouritism in families is so on the mark. My ex-wife comes from a large family–13 kids. Her father favoured one brother and one sister…when her father died…the two became outcasts in their own family. They were invited to maybe one out of five formal family gatherings at the insistence of their mother and never for any ad hoc ones.
How is this different from the Supreme Court of Canada insisting on different rules applying to incarceration of First Nation individuals in Canada? … because they were hard done by in generations past.
Exactly. Perhaps Davenport could return to explain that one away as well.
“The larger context, which is in the full report at Daily Caller that the Fox article directs readers to but which you may not have read…”
Oh, I read it, EBD, and I also read the Washington Post article that it references, as well as the Maryland State Board of Education’s proposed regulatory changes. Did you, or did you stop at the Daily Caller, the two-year old online political news org co-founded by a current Fox News contributor? Be honest. Just wondering.
“”The DC article also notes that the campaign for race-based discipline won a victory recently in Maryland where — and this is according the Washington Post, hardly the right-wing bastion you accuse Fox News of being — “the state’s board of education established a policy demanding that each racial or ethnic group receive roughly proportional level of school penalties, regardless of the behavior by members of each group.””
No, actually, that quoted line isn’t “according to the WP”, it’s according solely to the Daily Caller. You’d know that had you actually read the WP article and the MSBE’s policy doc actual rather than rely on the Daily Caller’s interpretation.
The MSBE isn’t simplistically calling for all racial/ethnic groups to receive “proportional levels of school penalties,” and certainly not “regardless of the behaviour by members of each group” (neither are AG Holder or the Obama administration). What the MSBE is calling for is a plan to identify instances where a “disproportionate impact” (p. 17) of school discipline on minority students exists, and then address those within three years. In practise, this mean addressing, among other things, the issue of black students receiving harsher discipline for identical problem behaviours. This isn’t about suspending more white and Asian kids, or suspending fewer black or Hispanic kids, to level out the suspension rates. This is about applying discipline consistently across the board, regardless of race — something that you claim to support in theory, so let’s see you start supporting it in practise.
And yes, there is plenty of evidence of this “disproportionate impact”: e.g., nepc.colorado.edu/files/NEPC-SchoolDiscipline.pdf. First, there is the issue that black students are suspended far more frequently than students of other racial/ethnic backgrounds. The standard rebuttal, at least from this neck of the woods, seems to be that black students are more disruptive, owing to their greater likelihood of coming from a single-parent household, a low-income household, a particular “culture”, etc. Unfortunately, this rebuttal isn’t borne out by the evidence, which shows that based on teachers’ ratings and classroom observations, on average, black students are about equally as disruptive as white students or anyone else. It’s true that kids from single-parent homes can more often exhibit problem behaviours in schools, and that black children are disproportionately more likely to be raised in such a household, but the numbers still don’t match up. To date, no study has found racial differences in student problem behaviour sufficient to explain the observed racial differences in school suspensions and other disciplinary actions, suggesting that at least part of the problem is differences in how punishments are meted out.
Second, and more importantly, there are data showing that black students are disciplined more harshly than others for the same types of offenses. One study, for example, found that black students were twice as likely as white students to be suspended for a first-time offense of being caught using a cellphone. Even ignoring the fact that schools are suspending kids at all for such minor offenses – these are all first-time offenses and identical rule violations, so why the disproportionate impact? Hard to explain without concluding that there is at least some systematic racial bias in how school disciplinary tools are used.
Again, had you bothered to read this broader context, rather than stopping at Fox News/Daily Caller, you (and SDA readers) might know that.
“How is this different from the Supreme Court of Canada insisting on different rules applying to incarceration of First Nation individuals in Canada?”
It’s actually the opposite. Compared to students of other racial/ethnic backgrounds, black students are handed harsher punishments for identical school offenses (cellphone use, disrupting the class, etc.), even for first-time violations. The current push for reforms is about ensuring that the same rules are applied consistently to all. Isn’t that something that you claim to support?
Of course, you’d never know any of this if you read only the spin from Fox News and Daily Caller interviewees and “conservative” blogs like SDA.
It’s always a mistake to conflate the findings of agenda-driven “studies” with “data”. Actual data — hard and measurable data – about things like the number of charges among different minority groups for felony assaults, gun crimes, and murders, etc., which are legitimate and indisputable data by virtue of having been validated and verified by the rigours of an adversarial legal system and the records thereof, indisputably show clearly disparate rates of troublesome behaviour between different ethnic/cultural/racial groups. It beggars belief to think that these tendencies wouldn’t also show up in the form of students’ misbehaviours in the years leading up to their first court appearances.
Your credulity is an embarrassment, and you can’t cover it up with ad hominem shots at Fox News or SDA. The “data” in the agenda-driven crap study you cite isn’t data, Davenport. For example, since students aren’t charged with the offense of using a cellphone, and they’re not represented by lawyers, what does “first offense” mean? Does it refer, for example, to the first time a student is gently asked to stop using his cellphone, or to the time when the teacher finally snaps after repeated reprimands? It’s impossible to say, really, since the allegation of cell-phone injustice in the ax-grinding crap study whose “data” you cite comes from a PowerPoint presentation given at a community college.
The colossal subjectivity of the “data” in such studies is more than problematic, it’s a game-changer:
Got that? The collectors of the “data” you cite to back up your argument zero in on the precise areas where the data is deemed by them to be not-data, and then use this as their data. Wherever the offenses are “relatively easy to document objectively“, i.e. are more measurable and valid as actual data, black students aren’t disproportionately punished, and in fact white students were punished more. The serious offenses that black students are more likely to be disciplined/suspended for, on the other hand, such as threatening behaviour towards a teacher, are dismissed, in effect, as being a mere judgment call on the part of the teacher, ergo “there is no evidence” — read “data”, Davenport-style — that teachers’ reports of such behaviour are evidence of rule-breaking on the part of black students. If you’re caught smoking, the evidence is in your hand, as it were, but if you threaten a teacher — say, you raise your fist to him, as if you’re going to hit him — it’s a “judgement call”, so there’s no data.
At the end of the day one can either assume that innocent black students across America are being unjustly framed by racist teachers — black, white, Asian, Latino — and are disproportionately selected for punishment, or one could make the more sane and rational assumption that the problems within the black community (as evidenced by their massively disproportionate incarceration rates for violent offences) would also show up in schools, as opposed to magically disappearing at the moment they enter the front doors.