“In Amsterdam, 22 jihadis stormed my book launch, ordered my execution and threatened to break my neck.….”
“Even when they had a chance to run from the room, nobody at my Amsterdam launch fled. Some of my guests created a human shield around me and my host. It’s yet more proof that ‘ordinary people’ are capable of moral courage. As I write in Allah, Liberty & Love, ‘Some things are more important than fear.’“
Irshad Manji is one of the bravest people I know. I’m very proud to call her a personal friend.
I hate the term “Muslim extremists”. The additional descriptor is not required. If you are a Muslim you believe in the Koran. If you believe in the Koran you are an extremist (kill the infidel, etc.). Therefore it is simply sufficient to call them Muslims.
As long as we keep wimping out by using words like “extremists”, as if to imply there is some other better kind of Islam, then we will never have the guts to actually deal with the problem.
You never hear the term Nazi extremists. You never hear the term Communist extremists. But when it comes to Muslims suddenly we get all soft and feel we have to make distinctions.
What a pack of rabid dogs.
Kyla – double plus awesome. Let her know that there’s a lot of us out here that she doesn’t know, cheering for her and supporting her.
Rabid dogs is right, maybe even to kind.
one of these times their going to show up with those machine guns blazing.
i watched an old John Wayne movie today.
he had the answer!
TJ, exactly. I have used that term and never thought of it that way, but you are absolutely right.
Revnant Dream nails it.
Aluha Akbar was said very distinctly a number of times. Has anyone else noticed that slowly but surely these sorts of confrontation are increasing in frequency.
Irshad Manji is one brave lady.
Under the British Raj they called them “moslem fanatics”, there were also “hindu fanatics”, no “buddhist fanatics”.
I think the term Satanic zombies describes them best. When they chant, “Aluha Akbar”, they seem to be in some kind of frenzied animistic trance. In Churchill’s words, “no greater retrograde force (Islam) exists on the planet”. I would add the multi-culti left to them as their Western enablers.
Every infidel on the planet should proudly stand in opposition to the Satanic zombies. Perhaps we could contain or roll back their march on civilization.
Violent monkey retards.
I just can’t understand why the Liberal Left is so determined to fast track that mess over here. It’s simply unnatural that people can’t see this as a future problem for our society and actually welcome it as some sort of enrichment.
It’s a stunning revelation of how far down the greasy pig pit we’ve fallen.
Holland , France, Germany, Britain and a few other countries have seen the mistake in allowing them into the country. Canada has not learned anything and we will pay for that.
TJ,
If you travel and experience the world, you will know that there are many types of Muslims.
Posted by: Knight 99 at 1:20 AM
Lieberals dont have kids, so they dont have any skin in the game. Stop mohammedan immigration now.
A lot of Muslims move to Canada to get away from all that.
Having said that, those Muslims are for the most part, like Canadian Catholics…in other words…they aren’t.
bygeorge
“….one of these times their going to show up with those machine guns blazing…..”
from the article……
Police arrested two men and found a third with a loaded machine gun at home.
This is what inspired uziel Gal……..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi
Choose any or all that you think apply:
These true believers are demonstrating;
A. Their renowned tolerance.
B. Their love for an open democratic society.
C. Respect for women’s opinion.
D. Confidence their numbers are now large enough they can brown shirt their way to power.
E. Joy at the plurality of intellectual thought in their host country.
F. A gripping interpretive dance routine inspired by the ‘coexist’ bumper sticker on their neighbours’ Volvo.
TJ,
If you travel and experience the world, you will know that there are many types of Muslims.
Posted by: Johan i Kanada at January 26, 2012 1:30 AM
Yuppers. There are those that make their desire to kill you known,those that hide it behind the term “moderate” and those that aren’t Muslim.You either believe in the killer Koran,or you are not a Muzzie. Get a clue,you useful idiot.
Maybe the Dutch should give them some of their free,legal dope and a whore.
Justthinkin,
People like you give those of us who are defenders of Western ideals a bad name.
This is Canada now. Any time someone on the right comes to talk at any university that is how they are treated.
Its time to fix bayonets. I have two young sons and if we don’t deal with it, they will have to.
Not only is the religion of peace targeted and peace through world domination, it’s practicioners also twist their actions to meet the word of their good book in many other ways.
Sharia compliant banking is not paying interest, just a fee for making loaned money available. Backsheesh is not bribery, it is respect for those in power. Wearing a burkha is not a practise of dominating women, it is a way for them to freely express their respect for Allah. The verbally abusive harangue of western women with sexual overtones, by Muslim men in Muslim markets is just a quaint custom of a trading people. The list goes on.
So Johan, you are right, not all Muslims want to start killing us right now, but they do want to create a world that will replace (kill?) the one we know now.
And I have travelled throughout the world. I have seen different Muslim behaviours and even felt safe and not at risk of attack in Muslim communities – but let me start putting a different view forward and all bets are off.
Friends who were born Muslim and converted tell of their being beaten for asking questions. What you experience when you visit a Muslim community and are not killed is patience not acceptance on their part.
rroe,
Are you seriously suggesting that all (let’s say 90% or more) Muslims are merely biding their time before they start killing us off?
Irshad is arguing that asking questions is not only valid, but specifically encouraged in the Koran.
She is challenging Muslims to take the religion into the 21st century and wrest the ideology away from Wahabbi violent influences.
I used to think she was a little bit crazy, challenging the violent aspects of Islam as an open lesbian. Now I’m just in awe of how she went from a fluff show called “Queer Television” in Toronto, to causing a huge disturbance in the Muslim force.
Because she is a lesbian, she garners much more hatred, she also gets more attention, and therefore, more readers.
Her books are available for free downloads in the languages of any country that bans selling them.
I’ve travelled the world and what I’ve seen of the muslim is not what I want in my own country. When I worked for the UN in Cambodia in 1993 I was witness to child rape and abuse by troops and civilian workers from Tunisia, Pakistan, and other muslim countries. This was my first exposure to “man love Thursday”. They would spend the night getting drunk and high and then abduct kids for rape. The hospital in Battambang was loaded with injured boys on Friday mornings after they’d been attacked by Pakistanis the night before. In Kompong Chnang I got into a fist fight with Tunisians when a group of then tried to abduct a little girl. These were all incidents involving UN members from muslim countries who were immune to prosecution and took full advantage and raped and beat children for their own amusement. I have a special kind of hatred for the followers of islam after seeing this crap for years. Allowing them to immigrate here is a huge mistake and the lefties won’t realize how stupid they are for enabling these people until it’s too late.
Bloody violent savages, spitting at the camera man. Personally I’d ensure that pig would be pulling the lens out of his pie hole today.
Robert L >
Well put.
I have also lived and travelled in Muslim countries for many years, the hypocrisy you deal with every day turns the stomach after a very short time.
Rampant drinking and homosexuality is only the tip of the iceberg. Once you dig deeper into the cultural norms of Islam and by extension the tribal norms of the individual cultures that Islam embraces you would never again consider allowing them to set up shop on our streets.
Rose >
“Personally I’d ensure that pig would be pulling the lens out of his pie hole today.”
There is a reason they travel in gangs, the same reason Muslims are considered “moderate” in small numbers and radical once their demographic percentages get higher in western countries.
We see what is happening in Europe yet we keep importing muzzie bastards into Canada. It is insane.
See! That’s why we need high capacity magazines !!!
Kyla said: “Irshad Manji is one of the bravest people I know. I’m very proud to call her a personal friend.”
Tell her “way to go!” from me, Kyla. This redneck, gear-head Canadian is damn proud of her too. She’s got The Right Stuff.
Johan i Kanada said: “Are you seriously suggesting that all (let’s say 90% or more) Muslims are merely biding their time before they start killing us off?”
Certainly not. More like 30%, given recent history in Europe. Which, you have to admit, is a serious threat worthy of serious attention.
I’d add here that another 30% would be willing to go along for the ride, leaving us with a minority of Muslims who might consider Western civilization something worth fighting for. In this they seem no different than WASPs in Toronto.
There’s nothing to commend about Islam and why Irshad Manji insists there is, whilst under attack from “real” Muslims, is mind boggling.
Manji is a taqqiyan apostate. What she’s trying to sell only assists the Muslims that lovingly want her dead. There’s no liturgical Islam to support her (private, unauthorized) version of Islam.
I think the real question is “Why does she still identify herself as a Muslim?”
“TJ, If you travel and experience the world, you will know that there are many types of Muslims.”
Nice try with that one. A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. If they are Muslim they must believe in the Koran, and if they believe in the Koran, then all non-believers must be killed, marginalized, out-bred, etc.
Therefore I detest the term “Muslim extremists”. By using it we are just providing a cover for the next layer of barbarians below them, those who want Sharia Law, etc. etc. “Look at me, all I want is Sharia Law, you should be grateful I’m not an extremist, I’m just a sweet loving Muslim who wants the best for the world”. Horseshit.
If you are a Muslim then you must want to eliminate the infidel (either directly or indirectly), and if you do not want the eliminate the infidel then you are not a Muslim.
Johan i Kanada said: “Are you seriously suggesting that all (let’s say 90% or more) Muslims are merely biding their time before they start killing us off?”
Yes, I think that is an accurate statement. They can kill us off by blowing us up, they can kill us off by out-breading us, and they can kill us off in other ways. Have a look at Mulsim professors in Canadian universities and see how many of their students are Muslim vs. non-Muslim. Many of them are busy working away to create little breeding grounds of infidel-hating Muslims, who will refuse to be Canadians, and who will refuse to melt into the Canadian pot.
rroe,
Are you seriously suggesting that all (let’s say 90% or more) Muslims are merely biding their time before they start killing us off?
Posted by: Johan i Kanada at January 26, 2012 8:07 AM
Johan, neither were 90% of Russians communists.
Forget percentages. Percentages are irrelevant.
Did 90% of Germans actively seek the genocide of European Jewry? Of course not. But they certainly passively enabled it, eh?
Think VANGUARD.
Let’s put it this way: more than 90% of the Vanguard is advocating killing the infidel now (e.g. Hamas, Broko Haram*) or a little later when the time is felt to be right (e.g. Fatah/Plo, Muslim Brotherhood). However, it is true that killing is not absolutely necessary IF YOU SUBMIT. Chuckling here now, remembering an ex-friend’s dismissive words: there’s no problem for non-muslims in muslim lands if they just “pay their taxes”.
* not to be confused with the purveyors of A Whiter Shade of Pale.
Get a grip, TJ. Seriously. Asserting that 90% or more of Muslims are merely biding their time before they start killing us off is patently ridiculous, and — more to the point — such wildly-exaggerated, paranoid assertions are, as Johan suggested further up the thread, entirely counterproductive to the all-important cause of western liberty, which — to me at least – is more important than Islam.
It’s easy to imagine that reasonable people, for whom it’s at least arguable that Islamic beliefs are incompatible with western liberal democracy and that it might be wise to place limits on Muslim immigration, might start doubting their own arguments and beliefs because they don’t want to be associated with such paranoid, ridiculously over-the-top assertions.
Islamism is obviously the problem on display in the video, but it’s undeniably true that if those hateful scum were followers of some other “foreign” religion, the western reaction would be the same. What we’re seeing is the downstream result of the cultural/political dominance of a relativistic and utterly spineless progressive worldview. In the non-Western parts of the world, those goons, who *clearly* KNOW, and take pleasure in the fact, that they’re dealing with a wuss culture, would be dog food — or cleaning their jail cells with a toothbrush — within five minutes. If WE don’t have the balls as a culture to snuff out the opportunistic, thuggish behaviour that has repeatedly shut down free speech on campuses and elsewhere, that’s not the fault of Islam. As Walt Kelly’s Pogo put it,
In a perfect world, terms like “muzzie bastards” would be replaced with “progressive, statist, multi-culti-promoting $#^*@#s.” Because that’s where the blame lies.
We’re not going to change Islamism; what we can change – theoretically – is our (non)reaction to it.
Quite the contrast with the earlier post about the muslim in London threatening the crowd there.
I get TJ’s point or at least what he’s trying to say, but unfortunately it comes out a bit flawed with the percentages thing.
EBD nailed it, with understanding the root cause of our cultural demise and setting priorities to clean up the mess in the most efficient manner possible.
TJ is right in one respect, and that is that the majority of the world’s population desires to covet what we have. They would also wish to change our society to one which they rule and control, regardless of who they are and where they come from. This is an old, old, old historical reality that transcends all cultures from the beginning of recorded time, regardless of the PC delusional thinking shoved down our throats.
Islam is a special radical, prone to violence, extension of what many other cultures also wish for, dominance over the wealth and fertile resources historically created and governed by a white race of people.
It’s our job to protect ourselves and our wealth first and foremost from the treasonous rot within which believes we don’t deserve it, and should give it away to the worlds jealous savages.
Allow me to speak as a member of a melatonin-gifted family. It has less to do with pigment of the skin and more with pigheaded fixation on 7th century tribal supremacy beliefs. Mass indoctrination, suppression of divergent opinion, fear of the other, patriarchy, imperialism, and keeping women as chattel. It is about power. Liberals are blind to the true enemy to their blessed free existence.
Because I’m actually deep down a mean and nasty person, I can’t wait for the treason trials of Europe’s immigration ministers to begin!
At the rate the EU is going, though, there will one day be an IRA-style domestic resistance to ‘Islamic occupation’ in every EU country.
The Dutch should have arrested each one for inciting violence, and sent them back to the glories of whatever land they came from.
The Dutch should have arrested each one for inciting violence, and sent them back to the glories of whatever land they came from.
“Get a grip, TJ. Seriously. Asserting that 90% or more of Muslims are merely biding their time before they start killing us off is patently ridiculous”
Not it’s not. To my earlier point we never speak of “moderate” Nazis, or “moderate” Communists, or “moderate” Fascists, do we?
But the liberal left loves qualifiers, so we have to speak of “moderate” Muslims. Sure, there are probably few here and there who are harmless. But the overwhelming majority of Muslims either want to blow us up, OR are quite happy if their fellow Muslims blow us up, OR prefer to use multiculturalism to spread their barbaric, dogmatic religion.
When I was at the University of Waterloo the Muslim students would use the sinks in the public bathrooms to wash their feet. If you happen to wander in at washing time you were told to leave – get lost infidel! I used to verbally spar with the animals but it was like talking with prehistoric beings. In the West we do not use public sinks to wash smelly feet, but did they care one bit? Did they care they were in Canada and not Iran, or Egypt, or any other hell hole they were from? Not at all. Screw Canada and the infidels was the clear message they conveyed.
So I disagree strongly with you EBD. Every Mulsim I have met – and Lord knows I met a lot when I was at university – thinks we are dogs, as their Koran tells them. Some say it openly, some keep quiet, and a few will happily even try to blow us up.
Thus, they are all Muslims to me, no qualifier required at all.
“If WE don’t have the balls as a culture to snuff out the opportunistic, thuggish behaviour…”
The fact that we speak of “moderate” Muslims just proves we don’t have the balls.
Can you imagine Winston Churchill telling the Royal Air Force “Well now lads, be very careful where you drop those bombs, we don’t want to injure any moderate Nazis”.
TJ >
I’m with you on this; it’s a matter of semantics, and a feel good glossing over for many reasons by different western people. I have also known allot of Muslims, most of whom are actually living in Muslim countries (From the Middle East, through North Africa and throughout SEA).
So called “moderates” are generally not Muslims at all except in name for community cohesion and either saving their skin or not being shunned by the greater community. The only differences I could determine between the true believers is to the degree of support towards the hatred of all others, from mild acceptance though to the violent so called radicals.
In the end very few like westerners for many reasons, most like to use Islam to justify other prejudices. Hell they hate each other most of the time. Remember also that there are vast cultural differences in cultures embraced by Islam and each of them has their own innate hatreds for westerners and peculiar cultural jalousies, bigotries, immature viewpoints etcetera. These are the cultures that Islam seeks and finds to begin with.
Are moderate Muslims a minority or majority? Why not refer to worldwide polls, collected here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Opinion-Polls.htm
@ irwin daisy
Interesting link to the “religion of peace”.
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
But profiling at airports, ooohh, we can’t do that.
TJ, there are indoctrinated progressives who say that 9/11, and the London Tube bombings, etc., “have nothing to do with Islam”, and that Islam is really “a religion of peace and tolerance.” There are people like you who say that 90% of Muslims are just biding their time before they start killing us off. Both groups of people are spouting unmitigated nonsense.
Why the need to wildly exaggerate, TJ? My über-Dane grandfather used to quip, when someone was fibbing/lying/exaggerating, “The truth is bad enough.” It *is*, too — just look at the video. Far-fetched, over-the-top exaggeration is not only unnecessary, it’s counterproductive, because sane, rational people might start to think “well, maybe the anti-Islamist voices really are a bunch of exaggerating loons.”
peterj >
Well with +/- 2 million Muslims in the USA alone, 8% is only 160,000 “non moderates” to deal with.
Of course there are another 600,000 in Canada + 60 million in Europe + 1.6 BILLION global population = something of a potential problem.
Of course the percentages are much higher than 8% outside of the US, in countries like Egypt 61% – Pakistan 41%………………. or even the UK 35%.
EBD, you keep harping on the point “that 90% of Muslims are just biding their time before they start killing us off. ” It wasn’t me that said that, I was just agreeing with someone else.
So maybe it’s 80%, or 70%, so what, it’s still a huge problem, and it is still the majority of Muslims in the world.
Going by the many Muslims that I’ve met, they are at best inconsiderate creeps that think we are lower than them. If there are so many peace-loving Muslims in the world, why then did they sit around and say sweet nothing when 9/11 occurred? Why then haven’t some of them branched out and started a new religion in order to free themselves from association with the less desirable elements in their faith?
The average Muslim *despises* the West and would be more than happy to see the West collapse..
Every day of the week there is a full planeload of these muzzie kooks getting off at Pearson.
Meanwhile, am still waiting and waiting and waiting for immigration to wake up.