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  3. Just think of how much money could have been saved had someone with a CCW intervened to stop Davis after he shot the cop. I’m sure defense lawyers would disagree with me but what we probably won’t hear in the MSM is the total cost of housing, feeding and prosecuting this POS before he finally gets what he deserves.

  4. I still favour capital punishment but not so much the courts/justice system in Canada.
    Too many screw-ups such as the convictions of Doanld Marshall, Guy Paul Moran, and several others now freed by DNA evidence.
    I distinctly recall the sentence handed down to Steven Truscott…..when both he and I hadn’t started to shave….I recall his sentence was commuted to life inprisonment….solely because of his age.
    Now the SOP is to incarcerate Young Offenders only a maximum of 3 years even for murder…..
    I share the fraternity of those who would execute Olson, Bernardo, and Homolka…but the grey areas trouble me.
    I have encountered many who resided near Centralia at that period, who were/are absolutely convinced he was/is guilty…..much like the crowd defending this Davis person.
    Yeah…..deterence does work…to a point…folks still drive intoxicated and speed…but most do feed parking meters.

  5. Now the only question is,which members of the Hollywood set will show up to protest Davis’ execution?
    Susan Sarandon? Sean Penn?

  6. Interesting how the story doesnt match the earlier one that was posted here about this guy.
    Now the situation actually meets my threshold for capital punishment: incontrovertible multiple eye witness evidence and/or video from multiple sources.

  7. Fifty-nine percent of Americans now believe that an innocent man has been executed in the last five years. There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years, much less the past five years.
    WRONG. Anne Coulter is an ignoramus. Funny how conservatives wax on about how government is untrustworthy…and give it total confidence in deciding who to kill.
    http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/22/is-texas-about-to-execute-anot
    Man is on death row; the case against him has holes in it. But Rick Perry wouldn’t let him have a simple DNA test. What an a-hole. I hope there is a hell for Perry and Coulter.
    Oh, and Davis’s guilt is in more than reasonable doubt.
    http://reason.com/blog/2008/09/23/is-georgia-about-to-execute-an
    Davis was convicted of murdering a police officer in 1991 based on eyewitness testimony. The problem is that seven of the nine people who testified against him at his trial have since recanted, saying they were pressured and coerced by the police. Three other witnesses who did not testify at the trial have since come forward to say another man committed the murder—a man who happens to have been one of the two remaining witnesses against Davis who have yet to recant their testimony.
    The Supreme Court, in its wisdom, has stayed the execution by a week.

  8. libertarian: perhaos you should read all of coulters column:
    “Several of Davis’ friends testified — without recantation — that he was the one in a white shirt. Several eyewitnesses, both acquaintances and strangers, specifically identified Davis as the one who shot Officer MacPhail.
    Now the media claim that seven of the nine witnesses against Davis at trial have recanted.
    First of all, the state presented 34 witnesses against Davis — not nine — which should give you some idea of how punctilious the media are about their facts in death penalty cases.
    Among the witnesses who did not recant a word of their testimony against Davis were three members of the Air Force, who saw the shooting from their van in the Burger King drive-in lane. The airman who saw events clearly enough to positively identify Davis as the shooter explained on cross-examination, “You don’t forget someone that stands over and shoots someone.”
    Recanted testimony is the least believable evidence since it proves only that defense lawyers managed to pressure some witnesses to alter their testimony, conveniently after the trial has ended. Even criminal lobbyist Justice William Brennan ridiculed post-trial recantations. ”

  10. eye’witless’ testimony is ‘suspect’ at best.
    show 10 people a pile of 10 unrelated objects and ask them to identify each one after a couple days delay, what do you get?
    yup. 10 different versions.
    eye’witless’ testimony is about as reliable as jailhouse ‘confessions’.
    the really good news is another cop is dead and wont ever laugh at a victim like happened to me as you all know.
    the davis case serves merely to satiate the right wing bloodlust.

  11. It torqued me off that AC makes statements like ‘no DP’d innocents in 50 years’ even though it’s false and people still take her seriously.
    There is actually very good reason to be sceptical of witness testimony in general. People just can’t be trusted: http://reason.com/archives/2009/04/08/eyewitness-testimony-on-trial
    Did the 34 actually see the crime or are they experts on physical evidence?
    I’m not saying Davis should go free, just off of death row.

  12. Yaers ago there was a great Wizard of Id cartoon.
    As The Hangman was putting a rope around a criminal’s neck, the crook waved his finger and said: “Capital Punishment is not a deterrent!!”
    To which the executioner replied: “Tell me that the next time you see me.”

  13. Thirty-four people saw Davis commit the crime. Are these thirty-four people lying in collusion or all mistaken?
    I’m not sure what a DNA test would prove, or some anecdotal “pick ten things out of a pile” quiz but whatever.
    “Davis is the media’s current baby seal of death row.”
    Current baby seal. I must use this in conversation.

  14. Except, little ol’ moi, several people, more than two, the story doesn’t say how many exactly, identified the same guy as the shooter. They didn’t have multiple people identified, only one.
    For nearly 22 years they’ve been trying to get this guy off, “more than a dozen courts” have refused to do it. Give it up. The guy shot at least three people, executed one, and now he’s going to get the needle.

  15. If the death penalty had no political value to the left as a wedge issue/club among the
    male and mostly female weeping Wilma’s of this world, it would soon be discarded.
    There is also plenty of US taxpayer funded lucre to be harvested thanks to all the
    obstructive lawfare hoops the left has devised short of abolishing capital punishment
    along with the actions of their pet judges.
    When Gov Pataki of New York was finally able to get the ball rolling to send 8 long
    term death row inmates to their final reward, the funding cost to taxpayers was an
    obscene $32 million in prosecution, defense, and court costs. It would be helpful if
    there was a law to sanction those who can presently waste the taxpayers money on
    a vast scale while in pursuit of leftist vote whoring political shenanigans. Also notable,
    their concerns about people awaiting execution seldom extend to left wing regimes
    overseas where wholesale slaughter of political enemies or even those merely lacking
    in necessary leftist enthusiasm for their rulers is the order of the day.
    .

  16. Smarter: “government…deciding who to kill”?
    Wasn’t it a jury that sentenced him to death, how does that equate to “government”?
    Are the facts really that hard to follow?

  17. little ol’ moi said
    “eye’witless’ testimony is ‘suspect’ at best.
    but you said…
    “the really good news is another cop is dead and wont ever laugh at a victim like happened to me as you all know.”
    Evidence please. Where are your witnesses?

  18. KVM, you can’t be so dumb as to think the justice system isn’t a part of government.

  19. little ol’moi
    some of the witnesses knew the dikk, so they would identify him every time they met or seen him, this is quite different from yer li’l ol senerio of 10 people
    if’n yer to stoopid to understand hooman behaviour, just fess up

  20. Good Gawd! That moron lawyer Toubin on CNN just played the race card! Tells a moping Anderson Cooper,that ‘more black murderers are put to death,than white ones!’ We then jump to Roland Martin on the death watch outside the prison,saying people there are questioning,’why this guy..what about Casey Anthony!’…………..what a puke-fest.As the proud Mom of a ‘cop’ I just can’t stand this tear-fest for a cop killer.

  22. show 10 people a pile of 10 unrelated objects, pick up one of the objects and bludgeon a live baby seal to death in front of them and then ask them a week later which of the objects was used to beat the seal to death and they’ll get it right 100% of the time.
    FIFY

  23. Well some people deserve to die. But I don’t think its the job of the gov’t to do it. Lets be honest I don’t trust the fracking gov’t to run the post office……….let alone a death sentence.

  25. Funny how the critics of Davis’s execution (be it right or wrong) have issued nary a peep about the execution of a white supremacist in Texas who was convicted of dragging a black man to death behind his truck in 1998.
    MSNBC has a great picture of a woman, Minister Lynn Hopkins, and her partner, Carolyn Bond, openly weeping after Davis was executed. http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/110921-davis-hmed-837p.grid-4×2.jpg Funny how there are no photos of people weeping outside the Texas prison…
    So this begs the question: are you really against the death penalty, or just in cases where you find the convicted criminal in question more to your politically correct likings?
    I have too much doubt develop in the justice system to lend support the death penalty (see: Nifong, Michael for a reason why). Despite that, I am equally disgusted by the people who not only oppose Davis’s execution, but want him freed without prejudice.
    Many anti-death penalty advocates lack the consistency of conviction (see above re: white supremacist), or show the slightest sense of understanding the families of the victims (and the victims) also deserve justice, even if that means life in prison, to garner my consideration.

  27. Michael Moore gets it…via twitter:
    http://twitter.com/#!/MMFlint
    “It is simply beyond comprehension that the state of Georgia is just hours away from murdering Troy Davis. That’s right: Murder”
    “President Obama: Can’t you do like President Kennedy did & send in federal troops to stop this injustice in Georgia? The buck stops with u.”
    “BREAKING NEWS — AP: US Supreme Court refuses to block execution of Troy Davis. WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!”
    “This morning, I am asking my publisher to remove all copies of my book from every bookstore in Georgia: http://mmflint.me/a1HCcs #TroyDavis”
    —————
    If Moore gets this worked up about a the execution of a cop killer, I wonder about Moore’s opinion on abortion. Ya know, the MURDER of the unborn.

  28. When conservatives run a criminal justice system:
    China (1000s)
    Iran (252+)
    North Korea (60+)
    Yemen (53+)
    United States of America (46)
    Saudi Arabia (27+)
    Libya (18+)
    Syria (17+)
    Bangladesh (9+)
    Somalia (8+)
    Sudan (6+)
    The Palestinian Authority (5)
    Egypt (4)
    Equatorial Guinea (4)
    Taiwan (4)
    Belarus (2)
    Japan (2)
    Iraq (1+)
    Malaysia (1+)
    Bahrain (1)
    Botswana (1)
    Singapore (+)
    Vietnam (+)
    Such fine company…

  29. Context Davenport. I’m sure the convictions of those executed by the USA are much different than those of the other countries in that list.

  31. Sure Davenport. Because all those countries report everybody they execute truthfully, right?
    The Palestinian Authority, 5? Sometimes you really are funny.

  32. Gord Tulk: “perhaos you should read all of coulters column: “Now the media claim that seven of the nine witnesses against Davis at trial have recanted. First of all, the state presented 34 witnesses against Davis — not nine — which should give you some idea of how punctilious the media are about their facts in death penalty cases.”
    Of the 34 witnesses presented by the state, 9 were eyewitnesses of the shooting. The rest were either witnesses of other relevant events — day-after confessions, etc. — or experts (e.g., ballistics).
    Since Coulter herself — as with the advocates of Davis’s innocence (one of whom I am not) and the news media — focuses on the issue of eyewitness testimony, she should know that there were only 9 such witnesses in this case. Raising the point that there were 34 TOTAL witnesses for the state is a red herring. She aware of that; she’s just hoping that you’re not.
    Oh, and on this nugget of Coulter hyperbolic wisdom: “There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years, much less the past five years.”
    It might be true that there is little evidence that an innocent person has actually been executed in the US in recent years, but that’s only because of the proactive legal work of bleeding-heart, criminal-loving, reverse-racist liberal folks like these — precisely the kinds of people Coulter despises and mocks in her books and speeches. Because of the Innocence Project, 17 innocent people have been spared the death penalty in the US — exonerated in spite of the ideologically motivated indifference of folks like Coulter, not because of her.

  33. The Phantom: “Because all those countries report everybody they execute truthfully, right? The Palestinian Authority, 5? Sometimes you really are funny.”
    From the Amnesty International report: “The figures presented in this report are the largest that can safely be drawn from our research, although we emphasise that the true figures are significantly higher. Some states intentionally conceal death penalty proceedings; others do not keep or make available figures on the numbers of death sentences and executions.”
    So, nobody is naive about the true numbers for most of the states on the list. They also exclude extrajudicial killings, state-sanctioned assassinations, etc. Yet here you are, quibbling with numbers. Who cares? Would you feel better if the PI’s actual number was actually 47, putting them higher on the list than the US?
    Way to miss the point, Phantom. The issue isn’t where the US sits on the list, it’s that it’s on the list at all. Because at the end of the day, the bottom line remains this: on the use of state-sanctioned execution, the US stands alone in the Western developed world, but finds company among many of the most repressive, anti-democratic, and conservative countries in the world.
    Chairman Kaga: “Context Davenport. I’m sure the convictions of those executed by the USA are much different than those of the other countries in that list.”
    Principle, Kaga. Sure, the circumstances of the convictions differ, but either the state should have the power to actively kill its own citizens, or it shouldn’t. Interesting that, among a group of people who are otherwise highly skeptical of its own government’s ability to do anything right, there is widespread support for a state power that is elsewhere practised primarily and overwhelmingly by authoritarian, repressive, and/or corrupt regimes.

  34. I love when liberals claim that eyewitness testimony is flawed and then also say that a certain case consisted only of “circumstancial evidence” and thus is flawed as well. What kind of evidence do you want then liberals? As far as I know those are the only two types! Circumstancial evidence like fingerprints, hair, fiber, DNA etc etc and eyewitness testimony including that of the criminal. That’s it.
    How about we set these killers and rapists free in your house with your kids and wives and we’ll see how you feel about eyewitness testimony and “circumstancial evidence” then.

  36. Davenport: There is no equivalency between the US Justice system and the “justice” systems of those authoritarian, repressive, and/or corrupt regimes. When there is, you may have a point.

  37. I also don’t subscribe to that “If we do it, we’re no better than them” line of reasoning.

  38. Chairman Kaga: Um, that’s EXACTLY the point. There is no equivalency and few similarities between the justice systems of the US and various authoritarian, repressive, and/or corrupt regimes around the world, save for their shared endorsement of capital punishment.
    Question is: why do you support maintaining this barbaric similarity?

  39. Smarter: Of course the justice system is part of the government, but the determination on whether this criminal was sentenced to death was made by a jury, not the “government”.

  40. Davenport:
    Both you and Kim Jong-il breath air.
    Why do you insist on maintaining this barbaric similarity.

  41. I don’t see it as barbaric given the circumstances it’s used in by the US justice system. If the US justice system were executing gays or females for “adultery” within days of conviction by a kangaroo court, then I would see it as barbaric. This goes back to my first point about context.

  43. Oz: “Davenport: Both you and Kim Jong-il breath air. Why do you insist on maintaining this barbaric similarity.”
    libertarianaresmarter: “You know what: America and these authoritarian government also put people in jail. Is that an argument against jail? No.”
    Except that everyone breaths air, not just me and Kim Jong-Il. And all nations incarcerate their criminals, not just America and various authoritarian government. This fact of universality is important, as it suggests that one is on the right side of history, at least as far as breathing and prisons go.
    On the other hand, given that the overwhelming majority of what we consider to be civilized, advanced democracies have moved to abolish — for a range of legal, procedural, and human rights reasons — the death penalty in their jurisdictions, leaving only the US, Japan, and mostly what we consider to be authoritarian, repressive states still carrying out the practise, then it’s reasonable to ask why the US remains on what appears to be on the wrong side of history on this one.

  44. then it’s reasonable to ask why the US remains on what appears to be on the wrong side of history on this one.
    The U.S. has always been on the wrong side of history.
    The U.S. is unique with it’s Constitutional Republic that guarantees true free speech, the right to bear arms etc.
    You are flat out wrong labeling capital punishment as a barbaric practice.
    Why is it that you, personally, don’t mind being on the wrong side of history when it comes to the AGW argument?

  45. I do not like capital punshment for person in young age specially…
    he was 19 years old when convicted!!
    do not sell gun then balme it to young children of using it
    if Obama likes to turn 14 million American to new police on street then he better to cut capital punishment and teach their police enforce to prevent crime more spending to let crime to occure to more education system upgrade
    American hard to control their anger it does not matter white or black both are angry and can shoot to innocent as we see news daily
    In order to stop or limited or not interfer to other countries too much in war battel
    US need first cut capital punishment first
    by fix their culture and teach their kids to kill less and care more among each others.
    ================
    wikipedia for Troy_Davis_case
    Tory Davis was 19 years and 10 month old when this accident happend
    with his background of his divorce parent and poor situation
    he may involve with drug and has gun in his hand in his previous arrest
    and that gun shot more may some one tried to kill him he carry gun in last year arrest.
    the gun also was noy found in scene
    I think this guy may link with drug dealer
    but he was not murderer
    even if he did kill some one consider his background and his young age
    they can put for life in prison.
    if he develop in past 20 years he may go for release by today too
    death pentalty is too much for him
    for mother who send their children to army and police and fire fighter they know well they have 99% chance their children may died if they are in army or link with it.
    and they must kiss all link with chidlren
    if police killed in accident is too bad and sad for his family and him
    but that is reason police got high salary for risk involve in their job
    Now police down and killed it does not mean some one MUST be executed for his police death here
    because dying or army dying daily by accident as well.
    this is more like revenge than justice system to fix system
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States
    list of state in United state to do capital punishment are awfull
    justice system in US need to change
    get gun out of hand of people before convict them for why they use it.
    when you sell gun in store small young kid go and play with it and can misuse it too
    I do not support murderers they need to lucked or watch for rest of their life even if they got them pro or release from prison but still some can change if they are young

  46. We had about 15,000 murders in the US last year. Considering that we execute, on average, ONE MURDERER PER STATE PER YEAR, we effectively do not have a death penalty.
    We have thousands of prisoners with life sentences, a handful of whom manage to die by other than natural causes.
    Maybe we ought to let them smoke three packs of cigarettes a day – they’ll die faster.
    Or maybe we should just pass out knives and open up the cell doors.

  47. if above data get true 1250 murder per month that is too much is more than US have had civil inside war that outside international war outside in Iraq and Afgnastan and all must link with drug and gun and youth and crime
    instead of pay too much legal fees pay doctor to find cure for mental illness and turn all prison to free drug test eitehr they fix safely to society or they will die for life in prison
    still that is all no fair to human right to allow some one in
    too young to die for not have all evidence…
    then US is in big trouble to fix inside and do not blame it to other people for their problems
    your society in US turn to murderer
    and environment in US turn to criminals
    nobody born with sin
    they all born innocent
    schizophernia and all kind of mental illnes
    is because of three reason
    genetic how children born if you drink and smok children can born with problems bodily or mentally
    or as result of environment and discrimination and abuse and wrong advertis of capitalism and open gun in hand of kid to play playstaion 3
    or mental illness of szchiphernia that has cure for it if people with mediciation can get cure why not cure them rather than kill them
    because of cost of cure human mind is more than cost of cure sicknes of heart and body
    again I do not appreciate all violance inside US and outside US war game
    then better fix inside yourself if you belive you have 1250 murder in averge per month
    killing murders do not fix US society problems or stop them or reduce their crime in US
    then problems is more than what you think solve your problmes is come from anger control

  48. Davenport said: “So, nobody is naive about the true numbers for most of the states on the list.”
    Well, if we all know the numbers are BOGUS dearie, what’s the point of even ranking them?
    “They also exclude extrajudicial killings, state-sanctioned assassinations, etc. Yet here you are, quibbling with numbers. Who cares? Would you feel better if the PI’s actual number was actually 47, putting them higher on the list than the US?”
    No. I’d feel better if you didn’t falsely present this list as “evidence” of American blood thirst, knowing it wasn’t true.
    I’d feel better if you didn’t falsely compare a “legal” system in Iraq which amounts to the whim of some corrupt official, to the legal system of the United States with its myriad checks and balances, where it takes 17 years to finally execute a guy caught literally red handed from shooting a cop.
    Finally dear ducky Davenport, I’d feel SO much better if you and your little friends would stop protecting murderers from the consequences of their actions. If y’all keep on going the way you have been the last 40 years or so, the justice system will cease to function entirely. At which point people will fall back on the old ways of doing things: vendetta, shoot-first-ask-questions-later policing, casual beatings of undesirables by non-uniformed mystery thugs, and my personal favorite: unexplained disappearances of unpopular people.
    Kinda like how they do things in “Palestine”.

  50. Clearly, Couchgirl thinks conservatives are -worse- than North Korea and just can’t find any evidence to back up what she feeeeels is true.
    Ever notice how Davenport hides when her argument tanks? She’s such a weenie.

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