From Jason Riley’s article in the WSJ about his interview with economist Walter Williams:
“Racial discrimination is not the problem of black people that it used to be” in his youth, says Mr. Williams. “Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn’t have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don’t get hit by a stray bullet—that’s not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood.”
Williams is cautiously optimistic in his belief that stereotypical racial/political alignments are gradually shifting:
“You find more and more black people—not enough in my opinion but more and more—questioning the status quo,” he says. “When I fill in for Rush, I get emails from blacks who say they agree with what I’m saying. And there are a lot of white people questioning ideas on race, too. There’s less white guilt out there. It’s progress.”
The whole thing here.
Thank-you for posting this interesting article EBD. I like Mr. Williams style and I like his link to history; he references economic facts rather than emotional reaction to the real problems that exist in USA and the little brother, Canada. All North Americans could learn by giving this man their ear and attention and turn off the President with his teleprompter nastiness.
Robert posted this a day ago.
Cripes. I was at a wedding on Saturday – was out morning to late – and missed that post, langmann.
My sincere apologies to Robert – Saturday was the only day in recent memory where I haven’t read every post.
There’s a slightly different angle to our posts, and we quoted different passages, so I’ll leave this one up.
Sorry, Robert!
Among offenders, blacks in the US have a homicide rate approximately ten times higher than that of non-Hispanic whites.
Blacks not only commit proportionately more homicides than whites, they commit absolutely more homicides than whites. They not only commit absolutely more homicides than whites, they commit a majority of homicides in the US.
Blacks, who make up 12.8 percent of the US population, commit 53 percent of its homicides (for known offenders). While 53 percent of known homicide offenders are black, only 34.9 percent of defendants executed since 1976 have been black. Blacks are disproportionately under-executed.
And the victims? 91 percent of the victims of black murders are black!
While the vast majority of homicides are perpetrated by criminals the same race as their victims, blacks murder whites at almost twice the rate that whites murder blacks.
If you are a young black man in America, you are 10 times more likely to die at the hands of another young black man than a white guy.
In recent years, more blacks are murdered by blacks in any ONE year than ALL the lynchings of blacks that have taken place since the Civil War.
The popular notion of a black man being murdered by some drunken, racist, red-necks in a pickup truck is, for all intents and purposes, almost a complete work of fiction.
And because the Bureau of Justice Statistics data includes Hispanics among “white”, the homicide rates for non-Hispanic whites are grossly overrepresented.
thanks EBD . An excellent article. I enjoyed it completely.
Many blacks in the US are starting to recognize the fact than when white people become the minority, they will lose all their entitlements.
The Mexican invasion of the US is well underway and blacks are on the out. There is no white guilt in the Latino vocabulary; blacks are already finding this out the hard way already in places like LA and southern California.
Same goes for all those Native American Indians sitting on all those 1800 treaty reservations they made with the “white man”. Eventually when the white man goes so do the treaties along with the civil rights. This will apply to Islam, the Latino and Chinese groups that will be the dominant forces in decades to come. Not one of those groups cares about the black man, gay rights or feminism.
They cut their own silly bugger throats every time they promote this multicultural takeover.
@ EBD: its worth reposting anyway. Racism still exists in North America, I’ve seen it though it seems to come from “unexpected” places such as the left nowadays. It’s nowhere like the structural problem it was.
Expect “resistance” from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They’re not gonna be happy to see the grievance industry go belly up.
Once when he was sitting in for Rush, he was joined by Thomas Sowell for an hour.
It was so awesome I had to _stop_ listening and go back to it later via podcast. My puny brain couldn’t cope all at once.
Oh, wait, I forgot: I’m a “racist.”
Never mind.
Kathy, *please* tell me that’s archived somewhere.
A Thomas Sewell cornucopia.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell.html
At SDA, on January, 22, at “Snapshot of America: The Welfare State vs. Black Families”, I wrote, in relation to the well-being of our children: “IMO, the crux of the matter here is MARRIAGE: as the secular West has devalued this institution in favour of easy sex, feminism (as in men are second class and expendable), abortion on demand, easy divorce, common-law as equal to marriage, surrogate parenthood, and homosexual ‘marriage’—lawful polygamy comes next, folks!—our children are further and further removed from the possibility of living with their own parents. And, how old fashioned of me, I believe kids really need BOTH parents . . .
“The tried and true rules around sex and marriage have been tossed out—and our kids are really suffering because of the selfish desires of their parents, who are now given carte blanche—sanctioned by our ‘evolving’ laws and the ‘no shame’, laissez faire attitudes of society—to do whatever they damn well please: ‘Sorry kids, it’s about US, not you.’”
At the request of a person who disagreed with me, I’ve gathered evidence of the instability and risk factors re the well-being of children, when they live with unrelated adults, especially ones with serious problems of their own. It’s a long post and is being held in the filter. I hope it gets out because the studies cited provide some very interesting facts about how the selfishness of adults is seriously undermining the safety, health, and well-being of both our children and society as a whole.
‘there’s less white guilt out there..it’s progress’
quite true…and what IS out there is concentrated in the political elites of the West.
btw did you know some of my most respected pundits are black men!….yes!..it’s true!
The same issues exist in Canada with the Indian people on reserves. As POW demonstrates above, the way I see it, if you are a black/Indian woman or child in your respective country you can NOT expect the same protections under the law as can someone not living in a ghetto/reserve. This is why Indians can be dunked in a toilet after birth, or raped and murdered on the weekend by some drunk, and a black can catch a stray bullet on a Saturday afternoon. Either way, the police will not pursue the criminal with the same vigor that would ensue if they victim had been middle class and murdered by whitey. Furthermore, as POW also demonstrates, if the criminal is apprehended, he will be treated with kid’s gloves by the judicial system.
It’s clear to me that the Victim’s lobby that is supposed to advocate for these people perpetuates the problem. I believe that in the higher echelon, these so called advocacy groups understand fully that their gravy train is fueled by the continuation of the problems that they claim to fight against. On top of this, the average black/Indian living in these conditions look to these aforementioned advocacy groups as leaders in the community, and look to these groups for leadership which invariably pushes said people in the wrong direction 100% of the time.
I’ve mentioned before that the only successful people who stay in the community most always work for the reserve, or an advocacy group as mentioned above. Most, if not all others leave their reserves/ghettos at the very first opportunity (to drop the dead weight) leaving behind the undereducated, often drunk and pregnant. I can’t harp on this enough, that this is by design! It’s by design that the successful people will leave these reserves/ghettos so as to ensure the continuation of under education, alcoholism and pregnancies.
We must find a way to break these reserves and ghettos else never see the end of the victim’s justice boondoggles that plague our societies. More importantly, we’ll never pull these people out of the trap that has been so deviously laid for them.
POWinCA, I just had that discussion with Davenport the other day on a thread about Gabrielle Giffords. If you do a street-by-street map of crime with a racial delineation, the hot spots where 90% of murders and robberies take place are exclusively in black and to a lesser extent Hispanic neighborhoods of large American cities. To be more specific, the crime is concentrated not within entire Black neighborhoods, but rather contained in a few blocks of the larger area.
Where the crime is and who is doing the crime is abundantly well known to police, prosecutors and city politicians. These maps are freely available on the web, and research papers based on them as well. Every department in the nation does these maps weekly. Canada too.
This is a “water is wet” kind of thing, not to put too fine a point on it.
But when one reports these -facts- as Walter Williams does, oh BABY! The floodgates open and the tsunami of liberal hate comes gushing out. So nobody talks about it. They talk about gun control instead, and they actively HIDE the truth about crime and who does it.
It took me a long time to put this picture together, from about 1993 to 1998. But when I finally figured it out, I was left with the inescapable impression that the situation is -artificial-.
Like the continuing @sshattery in Caledonia, it can only exist with the active connivance of police and the courts, allowing these killers to walk out of jail multiple times. It is politically expedient to allow repeat killers to stalk each other in majority ethnic neighborhoods in the USA and Canada.
In other words, they are doing it on purpose because there’s money in it.
You got that right, IH. All those sorry statistics are quite useful when The Industry wants to press them into use to extort money, but when the evil Whiteman uses the same statistics, why it’s raaaaacist stereotyping. “They’re not all like that” after all. We now have a new group of victim where the same dichotomy has arisen. I think you all know which group that is. If not, then you can ask Dr. Dawg or Balbulican or any of the boys and girls over at rabble.ca and affiliates.
The school systems are also part of The Industry that keeps black kids down. Here’s a cross post that I made yesterday:
“. . . it’s not spoken aloud, but the behaviour of a critical mass of black students is rebellious, aggressive, rude, and entitled. Most of these students do not have their father in the home. It seems that discipline and supervision are lax: many of the mothers are aggressive and unintelligent, and will push back hard if their kids are disciplined. Official response? Don’t discipline these students.
“Then the lie that ‘It’s not their fault, so we can’t hold them accountable’ is actually embedded in special education—where a lot of these kids end up—protocols. E.g., If black troublemakers are in special education programs, it’s not their fault and so the principal has ‘discretion’ to waive the set consequences. So, the consequences are usually waived, on political grounds—so as not to rile the kids or their irresponsible parents. How is that helpful to anyone?
“I taught a lot of these kids: I really cared about them and worked very hard to accommodate their needs and strengths. We got along very well. I stayed away from the office, set high standards, guided my students to achieve them, and gave consequences for non-compliance. Guess what? These students behaved and improved academically: their self-esteem improved too—they EARNED it. Without a firm hand, it was easy for these kids, who lacked a lot of self-discipline, to focus on success. Letting them off the hook is absolutely the worst thing one can do: not holding these kids to account shows a huge lack of respect for their integrity as human beings. As far as I’m concerned, by not disciplining these students (and, yes, the Charter’s a huge spanner in the works here), the educational establishment victimizes these kids twice: they arrive at school undisciplined and not ready to learn, and are then abandoned again—by the very adults who are charged, by law, to look out for their best interests. What’s happening here is an utter travesty. These kids and the rest of us deserve far better.”
Indiana Homez said: “We must find a way to break these reserves and ghettos else never see the end of the victim’s justice boondoggles that plague our societies.”
We already know the answer: Broken Windows. Giuliani did the work already. You go into your problem areas and bust every single a-hole for j-walking or spitting or whatever, run him/her/it through the discovery mill, and SHAZAM, you turn up every single dirtbag in the whole area with four foot long rap sheets and multiple outstanding arrest warrants. While these people are in jail, THERE IS NO CRIME. At all. Because they were doing all of it.
I say again, this situation is deliberate. It can only be solved by removing multi-culti liberals from power, because they CAUSE the problem.
Re-introducing the Castle Doctrine would solve 90% of non-drug related crime too. If the penalty for criminal trespass is to get shot in the @ss by a housewife or senior citizen or a kid while you run for your life, there will be d@mn little criminal trespass.
If you go to YouTube and search for Sowell and Williams, quite a bit comes up.
Louise, Expect “resistance” from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They’re not gonna be happy to see the grievance industry go belly up.
and the entitlement industry as well.
Knight99,Eventually when the white man goes so do the treaties along with the civil rights. This will apply to Islam, the Latino and Chinese groups that will be the dominant forces in decades to come. Not one of those groups cares about the black man, gay rights or feminism.
Just check out the way the groups above handle “diversity:” typically by genocide.
Agreed Phantom.
That’s why I’ve suggested RG as one of my two favorites for the GOP ticket in 2012. This guy is ready, qualified and focused. I also believe that RG is likely the only of two candidates that could harness the Palin effect, and maybe even have her on his ticket. That would assuage some of the social conservative negatives that RG carries.JMO
Rudy Giuliani for POTUS 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!
How come RG lost out early in the last round? I was rooting for him, too. If anybody could scare down the Islamofascists, it was him. He could probably have done some house cleaning up in the race baiting arena, too.
I am still waiting to see just one country on this planet that is dominated by and governed by Negroes that is prosperous, tolerant, and peaceful. Just one … until then, I do not believe the grievance industry has anything to worry about.
The UN will see to that.
“How come RG lost out early in the last round?”
He got sick. Also, he’s a New York limousine liberal at heart, and he loves gun control.
OTOH as Indiana Homez says, he IS the guy who hauled NYC back from the brink of destruction on the 1990s. He’s politically schizophrenic pretty much, so its hard for me to back him as a Presidential candidate.
As head of the Justice Department though, he could do some seriously good things there. If he could get over the liberal politicking, anyway.
Personally I don’t like Social Conservatives (big “S” big “C”) because they are really no different than Lefties. Lefties want to use Big Government to push their multi-culti socialist insanity, Social Conservatives want to use Big Government to push their own agenda. The part where Big Government is pushing me around doesn’t change.
I’m all about effective social services that are much, much -smaller-. What Giuliani proved was that policing really can eliminate crime from high density low income areas, just by doing the job intelligently and going where the crime is.
Driving cop cars down the back streets of high class neighborhoods so police can be seen “Doing Something” is stupid and expensive. Arresting criminals and KEEPING THEM is much cheaper, and you can do it with a lot fewer guys.
RG lost in the GOP presidential candidacy race because he ran one of the worst campaigns in history.
That said, the answer to the ethnic crime problem has to occur at the family, civic(think RG as mayor of NYC), and state level(governmentally), or do you want the President of the United States to trample all over state jurisdiction with the expansion of federal government scope/powers?
I doubt the Tea Party would be cool with that idea.
The real basis of the ethnic crime problem for Blacks and Indians is that so many of them do not have a properly run family unit, with mom at home and dad going off to a regular job every morning,(mom and dad are husband and wife) like most white people had at one time.
Blacks went straight from slavery to freedom with no proper family social unit in between,(functioning family units are the basis of our society) Indians went straight from their stone age tribal extended families to the welfare rolls.
That isn’t going to change any time soon with the Left doing everything they can to destroy the family unit.
(Residential Schools in Canada was an attempt to alleviate that problem for the Indians and show the children a better way…-clean clothes, 3 squares a day, regular on-the-clock schedule, 3 “R” education)
I was thinking that RG would be really tough on the Islamist crowd. I really admired how he handled 9/11 and what he did about the rot in NYC. Being a Canuck, I know nuttin’ about the rest of that stuff. I was just hoping for a leader with balls to head up the Great Satan on the international stage. Instead we got Mr. Bow and Scrape and never say a bad thing about the Mad Mullahs and corrupt potentates with towels on their heads.
Oops. That makes me raaaacist.
Oz at 12:21 PM:”Blacks went straight from slavery to freedom with no proper family social unit in between,(functioning family units are the basis of our society) Indians went straight from their stone age tribal extended families to the welfare rolls.”
I don’t think so. I’ve heard many times that Blacks had stable families before the race huckstering/grievance/welfare industry got to work. Same goes for the Indians. I’ve done a lot of archival research and a small bit of oral history collection focusing on Canada’s first Nations and they two had some pretty decent stability, while perhaps poverty stricken, but they were at least self-reliant and law abiding … until….welfare was introduced post WWII. Then, in the early 1970s along came land claims and treaty rights research and there was lots of money to be made creating anger and grievance and a whole new Indian Mythology was created.
*they too*
What I see in Rudy, and I fully accept his faults that Phantom has outlined, but what I see that is desperately needed is *leadership and *experience. Also, he has that *something* that I don’t see in my other favorite Newt Gingrich. RG if anything else, has a bit of that John Wayne’s “make my day” about him, which America desperately needs. Rudy Giuliani is someone Americans can trust to STAND-UP for America in a world full of America haters.
The Phantom writes, “Personally I don’t like Social Conservatives (big “S” big “C”) because they are really no different than Lefties. [WHAT?!!] Lefties want to use Big Government to push their multi-culti socialist insanity, Social Conservatives want to use Big Government to push their own agenda. The part where Big Government is pushing me around doesn’t change.”
I beg your pardon? Sarah Palin’s a social conservative. So am I. We want SMALLER GOVERNMENT.
“Social Conservatives” who want “Big Government”? Chapter and verse, please.
I’ve heard many times that Blacks had stable families before the race huckstering/grievance/welfare industry got to work.
Many did.
Many didn’t.
When they were slaves they weren’t allowed to form family units, most were illiterate, and their daily livers were run on their master’s clocks.
When multiple millions of them were set free, some emmulated the white man but many didn’t.
They had no education and were landless with nothing but the clothes on their backs.
Many Black men were nomads, rolling stones.
There were a lot of illegitimate births.
In the South at the end of the Civil War, after General Sherman had ended his campaign to punish the South by burning much of it to the ground, the losing Confederate soldiers went home to a destroyed economy where white men had to compete with freed slaves to do manual labour in a high unemployment setting.
Those Black men who emmulated white society structure had some success.
Today, single motherhood is on the rise again, unemployment among Black males is epidemic.
Louise is right.
From looking at crime statistics I can tell you when it happened too, ~1968. In the course of only two years in Detroit, criminal activity by black males under 25 went from the exact same rate as white males to a rate three times higher or more, and its just kept on going the same way.
So, what happened in the mid-Sixties? Welfare, and DRUGS.
Important point to get here, is that crime rates for young black men were THE SAME as for young white men back pretty much to the 1930’s, the last time crime rates were high in the US.
That little datum, more than anything else, is what made me a conservative for life. Liberalism kills. It pretends not to, but it does.
Conrad Black on individual responsibility:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/22/conrad-black-individual-responsibility-and-the-welfare-state/
From looking at crime statistics I can tell you when it happened too, ~1968.
Martin Luther King jr. was shot in April 1968, Robert Kennedy was shot about 1 1/2 months later.
lookout, you know as well as I do that there are plenty of people who say “there oughta be a law!” every time the see a pregnant teenager, the Gay Pride parade, a Muslim, or a crucifix in a jar of urine. (I’ve heard people say that when they saw a mixed race couple with zebra kids. I’ve never heard anyone say it in front of me twice though, tell you what.)
Sarah Palin (who I did not mention) is -not- one of those people, nor are you (who I also didn’t mention). You and Sarah, like me, are people who see the above and say “I don’t want to PAY for that”, which is of course different than saying it must not be allowed. Smaller government is not the same as making people do it my way by law, is all I’m saying.
Other than that I don’t really want to get into it, labeling people and such. If a clear example comes up specifically in a future thread, maybe we can talk about it then.
crime rates for young black men were THE SAME as for young white men back pretty much to the 1930’s, the last time crime rates were high in the US.
There was an unofficial factor, a certain organized “vigilante” group, that kept Black males in line that didn’t affect white males but did affect official crime statistics.
That factor was largely erased in the 1960s.
Another factor in the 1960s that affected the aggressiveness of Black males was their inability to dodge the draft through college deferment and so Black males ended up, disproportionate to their numbers in the general population, in front line combat units in Vietnam.
Many original Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the guys who created the SLA(they were elite Marine Force Recon) were examples of ex-Vietnam war vets acting out after MLK was assassinated.
MLK preached non-violence and was a major factor keeping the influence of these types in check.
Indiana Homez at 1:20 PM, that’s exactly what I saw in him, too. Being a feriner, I don’t know much about the domestic politics in America, but I sure thought America and the world needed a man with balls who could tell the Muzzies of all persuasions to F* Off, and the coarser the language, the better. To hell with diplomacy. Bush, though I still have the greatest admiration for him, was too vulnerable to criticism. He should have told his critics to F* Off, too. He was actually a good speaker when he was mad and in the F* Off mood.
Thanks, Phantom.
However, I’m politically involved and I know LOADS of conservatives. We tend to be annoyed at all the laws that now compel us to go along with all kinds of things we don’t like. But we don’t expect there to “be a law” for everything. Crucifix in urine? Muslims? Pregnant teenager? Gay parades? I don’t think any conservatives I know have called for laws to outlaw any of these things. (In fact, we’d like the teenager to have her baby!)
What we would like to see is less government intervention: forget all this micro-management! And we’d like to see a return to the rule of law: no special exemptions for favoured groups and no arbitrary impositions on disfavoured groups. I think you’ve got conservatives quite wrong: I’d say that Sarah Palin and I are pretty good examples, which is why I mentioned us.
Cheers.
POWinCA>
You are absolutely correct about how many blacks murder blacks in the US & Canada as far as street crime goes. You need to remember that Liberal white people do indeed mass murder blacks through Planned Parenthood’s free abortions, plus the welfare diseases they inject them with, in addition to the drug culture financed by yuppy coke heads.
The Liberal left white cracker is killing black people wholesale in one form or another, period.
Fear not about the Black man too much longer, aside from the current Liberal murders, economic enslavement and the coming demographic control by Latino, Chinese and Islam, there will be fewer black people for anyone to contend with in their neighbourhoods.
Black crime I believe is a temporary issue this generation until dealt with by other than white people in decades to come.
Pretty simple solution to me. Someone stand up and just say it; “Stop the welfare to single mothers. You want to have kids, you pay for it.” The blacks, use it as a cash-cow, have been for sometime.
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Ratt, that would be a bit too easy and painless. I think we’ll have to deal with something more basic than ‘paying’ to fix this. We’ll have to deal with how we’ve let our society as a whole become less human. I propose that our abondonment of our Judeo/Christian heritage plays a large part in the decadence and the abandonment of real human values . Can we abandon the children of single moms with no support, and expect those children to contribute to regeneration? Maybe the gov’t needs the church a little to help with this, and should stop trying to discourage belief by teaching secular humanism as a state religion. It doesnt seem to be helping. Yes . The problem is the liberals… but its a much bigger problem than welfare.