SDA Firearm Safety Tip For December

58 Replies to “SDA Firearm Safety Tip For December”

1. @ Kathy Shaidle
   Winchester Model 12 in 12 guage. and a non-restrcted length barrel of 18″.
   Slam fire. Squeeze trigger, hold trigger, rack slide until magazine is empty or threat ceases to be a threat.
   4,00,000,000,slug is a pretty good recipe. You could get someone who reloads shells to whip you up a batch that has reduced recoil.

2. Kathy Shaidle: Properly fitted 12 gauge, RECOIL PAD, lots of practice. Plenty of women your size out there shooting 12 gauge skeet all day long. What they have that you don’t have is a gun stock -fitted- to them by a guy who knows what he’s doing. Costs a bit, but worth it.
   You can get a muzzle brake machined into your barrel too, that helps take some sting out of it. Freakin’ loud though… particularly when fired inside a house. Owie.
   Have you considered a carbine rifle like a Winchester 94 in a pistol caliber, maybe .45 Colt? With a nice frangible bullet like a MagSafe you get less penetration of drywall/plaster/wood than a .20 gauge slug and plenty of destruction on Mr. Badguy. Red Ryder cowboy looking lever gun sells better in court too. Doesn’t look all “assault weapon”.
   As to the question from ∞² about what choke to use for intruder. The shot doesn’t even leave the cup for the first ten feet, so any pattern when hunting intruder will closely resemble slugs. I mean, is your living room 50 feet wide?
   As for slugs, although I have seen rifled chokes, I can’t imagine one improving my aim at point-blank range.
   For the “now THIS is a gun!” crowd, may I present the US Navy’s new toy railgun: 33 megajoules of muzzle energy. One megajoule is roughly a Volkswagen traveling 100 miles per hour, except the projectile here is a 20 lb steel dart. Ba-boom-, baby.
   http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/12/dont-stand-in-front-of-it.html
   Its a little big to fit inside my truck, but I could tow it…

3. Agree with you Phantom. However people like what they like, and they should be comfortable with what they like – thus more likely to use it successfully. Plus she has it now.
   No reason Kathy shouldn’t be able to use her 20 g for self defence against “large animals”. Lots of people swear by them for that purpose…

4. Here in the states online #3 Buckshot at Cabelas, etc.

5. Kathy for what it is worth…heed the Phantom.
   At 50′ and under the terminal effect of 7 is not much different than a slug—except the slug is usually ahead of a more vigourous powder charge.
   An associate who grew up in what is now Zimbabwe, as a 14 year old had an encounter with a leopard, armed with a “20 bore” with bird shot.
   He said nailed the kitty in mid-spring in the melon and it fell dead at his feet.
   That said that feline was likely a more robust target than the “thin-skinned game under 200 lbs” you have anticipated.
   Matt Hillier
   You failed to discuss the “doctrine of necessary force”. What is reasonable force for a senior or “five feet of fury” may not be reasonable for an able bodied male. The presence of children and darkness of night are other factors to be considered.
   If you reside in a rural area of Ontario, it is not unreasonable and legal to have an unloaded, unsecured firearm and unsecured ammo at hand…due to the now presence of “dangerous wildlife”. The plethera of bear sightings and even a “cougar incident” here locally makes such conduct legal, pursuant to C68.
   Re the cougar incident—-the critter was apparently “chipped” which raises the reasonable question…what the ***** was it doing here?
   Have these bears also been deliberately relocated?
   Howcome a wolverine was sighted within sight of the raging metropolis of Woodstock, Bantario?
   If the LIBRANO government drafted legistlation allowing for dangerous wildlife…. it is reasonable to interpret that as an indication that an unsecured firearm is the solution to dangerous situations.
   Matt Hillier
   You overlooked or are unaware that a Judge may set aside a jury verdict. IOW you may win the jury but get shafted by an “activist” judge.

6. Kathy Shaidle>
   There are allot of choices to reduce your felt recoil, as Phantom say’s a proper fit and good recoil pad is the best start.
   I use a Blackhawk Knoxx stock for my personal entertainment shotgun. It’s adjustable and has built in recoil buffer which advertises up to 85% felt recoil. Check it out
   http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-Adjustable-Shotgun-Stock,1158,1447.htm
   Of course this isn’t your typical duck blind shotgun stock but that’s why we own more than one gun.
   Also going to Semi Auto helps reduce felt recoil slightly.
   Other options are “reduced loads” sold by most manufactures now originally designed for law enforcement. You don’t need a full power “magnum” load in a shotgun for defensive proposes.
   I would look for #4 Buck instead of OO buck for your 20 gauge (Not to be confused with #4 shot). The #4 buck has been used with great success as a home defense round and leopard hunting in Africa.
   Here is a radio podcast that will tell you all you need to know about shotguns in laymen’s terms………….A great listen and a great overall self reliance site.
   http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/all-about-shotguns

7. Kathy,
   Like a poster above, I recommend 0000 buck or BB shot. Sellier and Belot makes a nice 0000 round. I imagine they have it available in 20 gauge. If you can’t find 0000, use the largest birdshot you can find in your area and be comfortable knowing that it will be acceptable until you find something with more mass. Few if any bad guys are going to want to do more than hope they can keep breathing if you pop them with goose loads. FWIW, I think you picked a great home shotgun. They are very reliable and well made. Whatever happened with your 9mm you wrote about a year or so ago?

8. “Doctriine of necessary force” – right so, johnny intruder is somehow less dangerous to Fred2 ( 6’7″, 260 lbs) that to KathyShaidle ( 4’11” – kinda light).
   I see the argument – in a perfect world where all knowledge is available ,and none of us were surprised, or it’s not 3:30AM.
   Inthe real world, it is 3:30AM, quiet respectful law abiding Fred2 or Kathy have woken up from deep sleep, in a dark and cold house to a ( must be presumed to be armed and up to no good) shadowy intruder who isn’t fleeing, are frightened, want to protect their lives, and lives of their family, are under the influence of *massive* adrenaline surge from a “fight or flight” .
   Some now “big bad” Fred2 is at less risk than Kathy and should less force? (I’m supposed to divine that risk how?) F- that. It’s logical and intelligent and just plain NORMAL, to channel your inner Hulk and go completely apeshit nuts on said intruder until the threat is obviously neutralized or leaves.
   Then you can call the police, the paramedics and the pizza guy in that order. So you can eat pizza with the paramedics until police arrive.