45 Replies to “Let Me Fix That Headline For You”

  1. There is a business opportunity here in selling replacement sleeves for the cigarette packages.
    We could put very nice pictures on them,… you know people laughing and socializing, mountain scenery, Whales blowing water in the air … stuff like that.
    Pack of ten reusable sleeve could sell for a couple of bucks. Millions still smoke and most don’t like the monster pictures of the teeth of homeless drug addicts that are supposed to represent the average smoker.
    It’s more than smoking that causes that level of health disaster …. and they know it.

  2. Oh right, but they want to legalize the other tabacky! And we must never show signs of aborted fetuses out side of human chop-shops or at university sites, and God forbid that we show the horrible things that Muslim terrorists do in churches and synagogues around the world. I have yet to see picture in the papers or the TV of the man who attacked and tried to kill the Bishop of Kamploops. Does the public not have a right to these too?

  3. I’ve heard that the Canadian Cancer Society’s overhead runs 80%+, that is less than 20% goes to research.
    I do know that when my father inquired re: the breakdown of their financial statements they basically refused to provide it, he had been a quite generous supporter up until that point.

  4. From the article:
    “Canada started to modernize tobacco labels in August 2004, but after six years of research and consultation, the government suspended the initiative earlier this year while Health Canada bureaucrats prepared new regulations.”
    Six years of research and consultation?
    And nothing to show for it?
    I was all ready to be shocked and outraged, but the reality is, this sort of wasteful spending crap ia all too typical.

  5. I stopped donating to the Cancer Society when I received a donation request with a note to contact my representatives to ban tobacco. The reply was I smoke and I am interested in cancer research. However I am not paying you for gestapo tactics and nagging. Have not donated since. The final shot was Garfield with the bow tie getting 2 million in his efforts. Garfield became Gar, the bow tie replaced with a good tie, new clothes and a spiffy hair makeover. Same tune 2 million less.
    As Gormley said, pay for cigarettes in a brown wrapper, no name and an empty package. They would still bitch because someone in China was smoking.
    At the craze I said I smoke, if I quit smoking they will still be whining I’m overweight. Now they can whine about both.

  6. Bullying, intimidating and cajoling smokers for fun and profit. Hypocritical recreation at its finest.
    Seriously though …. what other human endeavour allows zealots to openly criticize, deliver condescending lectures, blatantly badger and receive lucrative government grants while, at the same time, maintain the proper degree of political correctness?
    It’s a win-win situation for the various anti-smoking groups, largely composed of finger-wagging nannies and closet Nazis who make a comfortable living fulfilling their darkest fantasies of domination, hate and control.
    I’ve gotten used to it but I still harbour a deep dislike for the anti-smoking lobby and its insatiable appetite for tax-payers’ money.

  8. Six years of research and consultation? Perhaps consultants and bureaucrats should be required to wear blaze orange warning vests – This product is dangerous to your tax dollars. Include a picture of money being flushed down the toilet.
    As a patriotic Canadian citizen, I do want to see my country finish first. 3D/Hologram labels or packages that cough when you open them up is the way to go. Better yet, free Nicorette coupons inside the package. It will not decrease smoking but it’s far cheaper than letting the Canadian consultant class continue to burn up time and money.

  9. Seriously though …. what other human endeavour allows zealots to openly criticize, deliver condescending lectures, blatantly badger and receive lucrative government grants while, at the same time, maintain the proper degree of political correctness?
    I know, I know! Is it Global Warming for $500, Alex.

  11. Best advice on charity. It begins at home.
    Look for nieces or nephews, brothers or sisters who need financial help with school or biz start ups or whatever and give your charity dollars to them.
    That way you will have done good and helped the people who mean most to you.
    Short of that, give it to an animal shelter. That is really good.

  12. It is pathetic that marginalizing a sector of society that happens to enjoy a legal habit takes up so much of the vicious gument bureaucrat’s time. The WHO (big part of the World Gument outfit) are behind this egregious campaign of hate, they also want to seize all firearms (and probably kitchen knives!) from future hapless ‘subjects’ of a proposed slave world state.
    I look for the motive – it certainly is not human (good) health from that human hating outfit. What could it be? Drug sales for the big drug cartels? That Champex drug makes some people so disoriented (because it kills the brain’s ability to feel pleasure) that the drugged up user sometimes commits suicide (lots of proof for this reaction are on the record); for human haters this would kill two birds with one stone -fewer people and drug $$. Could the sale of Champex and other nic drugs kill enough people to make that worthwhile? Could it be that nicotine increases the production of testerone (needed by both men and women) and thus makes people less productive and aggressive? Do the WHO believe that the infestation of fleas and bed bugs in non smoking places will drive us all insane and they can then dump us in camps so they can re -educate us? Why are the same anti tobacco ‘heath nazis” promoting booze and mara wanja? Mara wanja makes people sterile and stupid (the effects of mara wanja lasts 7 years as it is a fat soluble; fat pads the brain and reproductive organs in even the thinnest of people).
    I do not believe tobacco is a health product and I would never advise anyone to take up this expensive habit IF said person asked my advice. I don’t consider anyone’s legal habits any of my business – it is a over hyped issue, just like the global warming hot air hoax.
    I question all freaky, fanatical scar mongers and this screeching anti tobacco outfit is no exception, in my books. Smoking is a pleasant habit that some people enjoy. Canadian smokers don’t go ‘out’ much because it is very uncomfortable to step outside for a smoke when it is 40 below. Smokers don’t take holidays in places where they cannot smoke in peace. Lawmakers have failed to consider the consequences of their sheep-like, fanatical legislation.
    I, personally, do not smoke much but on principle I refuse to spend time in places that do not accommodate my habit while wanting my money. I have not missed going to those stale stinking smoke free, now boring, places. I don’t do any charity work anymore because they don’t accommodate or tolerate smokers (the Legion sends old vets outside in -40 below to have a smoke – there is TONS of resentment by vets over this but their wishes are not respected or accommodated in their own private club, paid for in blood – now run by the anti crowd of people who could not fight a stray cat.
    I do not give the Cancer crowd any money, ever, because I think it is a for profit scam used for the enrichment of people who do perceptual ‘research’. It is not in the interest of these ‘experts’ to find a cure.
    Re: above article – It is a nice holiday for these fanatical anti tobac fools to go galloping around the world in search of cig boxes – I hope the people who support these fanatics have received some nice postcards from these fun seekers on their treasure hunt.

  14. “It is not in the interest of these ‘experts’ to find a cure.” Jema, I call your statement Bullsh*t!
    I work in the cancer field and can tell you that there will be no magic cure that will eradicate cancer. I wish there was and I could retire with the job done. Cancer is a generic term for abnormal cell growth. What causes your lung tissue to develop growths is not (necessarily) the same reason that bone marrow cells stop producing blood. Treatments that are effective on one type of cancer often will not work with another. The drugs that are keeping my brother alive now were not even imagined ten years ago. They are available now because somebody out there did research. I’m also sure that 90%+ of the money sent to the Canadian Cancer Society doesn’t go to field trips to look for cigarette packages. Part of the Canadian Cancer Society’ mandate is education and prevention programs.
    btw, it doesn’t take an advertising agency to tell you why the graphics are not working on cigarettes. After the first dozen packs the smokers don’t even notice the packaging. Like the once cute commercial, after seeing it for a hundred times you tune out.

  15. Being a lifelong non-smoker (coming from a family with a history of bronchial asthma), it matters not to me that they show the gory results of a lifelong habit of smoking.
    Like most young people, my granddaughter’s mother would not have been affected by the pictures so she died a hell of a death with lung, brain, liver and bone cancer a few months after “celebrating” her 50th b’day.
    It’s always “funny” to read the comments by smokers. Funny-sad. It’s a case of “you’re more to be pitied than laughed at”.
    And how the he?? you go from the dangers of smoking to the salaries of charity CEOs is as mysterious as a magician’s sleight of hand trick. Works every time, though.
    larben @11.26
    Thanks. You’ve got it nailed.

  16. Smoking is a disgusting habit people choose to take up. It stinks (literally and figuratively). Smokers who purchase reservation cigarettes will not see those sickening ads. Why spend millions on ads when one can put more cash into getting people not to smoke in the first place or helping those who do quit?
    Smokers have to want to quit.
    Just my quick thoughts.

  17. I remember an episode of the original Star Trek where a planet of people who had successfully eradicated all disease was now so over-populated that they could hardly move about. No one was dying. They wanted the crew to come down and infect their population so they could die naturally.
    Cancer and many other diseases are nature’s way of cleaning up humanity.
    We need people to die when they are no longer fit to live an independent life. I know this sounds cruel to those whose family members are alive only because of drugs, but look at the current population growth we have now and it’s accelerating.
    We have already started to suffer from the increasing numbers of people who are predisposed to diseases being kept alive long enough to breed. Not to mention the massive inbreeding in the Muslim world.
    After thousands of years of refinement evolutionary development to perfect the human species in only a couple of generations of meddling we may have a new, more feeble human race.
    Think health care is slow and expensive now?

  18. Notice they go after smokers like zealots but do they place pictures of aids victims on condoms? Do they put pictures of your privates after they are ravaged by STDs on pill bottles? I stopped donating to the cancer society when I learned they only help people who earn what they deem a low income, I thought they helped everyone not so apparently.

  20. Robert Proctor’s book, “The Nazi War on Cancer” places our current anti-smoking fanatics in their proper context. I am most appalled by their so-called “education” efforts in schools, most of which have nothing to do with education and everything to do with classic tactics for indoctrination. I hold no brief for smoking, but the end-justifies-the-means mentality of contemporary “activists” has convinced me that they will have to proceed without my contributions.

  21. I just got back from a physical. The last one was 8 years ago. I’m fine.
    The point is ‘the lecture’ always. I spent a working life working with carcinogens, mutagens and teratogens. Smoking prduces no fear. I once remarked I probably have the loci for numerous types of cancer just waiting for my immunity to weaken.
    Benzene was pretty much abolished from laboratory work. In the ’70’s we worked with gallons on the bench. Now you can’t use it in fumehoods. Water has a MSDS. If you get it in your eyes, flush with water.
    I want common sense back. Not the way we used to do things but common sense.

  22. Roseberry makes a good point about the origin of anti-smoking ideology as National Socialists were decades ahead of everyone in terms of anti-smoking legislation, environmental protection legislation and control of overpopulation. Those who demonize tobacco get quite upset when I mention the geneology of their particular crusade.
    As an ex-smoker, I realize that nicotine has numerous beneficial CNS effects and that a lot of people function far better on nicotine than off it. I couldn’t imagine writing exams without smoking a pack or so during the exam (back in the 1970’s smoking in class and exams was the norm). I have quite good success in getting people to quit smoking by recognizing the beneficial effects nicotine has and advising them to change to a safer nicotine delivery system.
    The primary problem with alternative nicotine delivery systems is that they are as expensive as cigarettes. Nicotine gum is useless as every time I’ve tried it I’ve been unable to remember to chew it every few minutes. That’s been my experience with patients who chew it like regular gum. Nicotine inhalers work very well during the summer but vaporization of nicotine is too slow in the winter and it would be very nice if electronic cigarettes were available in Canada. Nicotine patches work fine for people who need a steady level of nicotine and they can be worn for a few days at a time to cut cost.
    Speedy, brings back memories of my chemistry days when I used to do column chromatography using benzene as a solvent. When you’ve got 3 large columns on your bench running simultaneously there’s a lot of benzene vapor in the air. The only solvent I worried about was methylene chloride as it gets converted to CO easily in the body but fortunately the vapors tend to sink to the floor. Used a lot of ether and never a fire although often did get a bit of a buzz when using it. My DNA repair enzymes are in good working order and I believe in giving them a good workout so they don’t get too lazy.

  23. Unbelievable!
    Imagine having a “contest” to see whose label is the largest and most gruesome.
    This is akin to a group of adolescents comparing the size of their dicks to determine who has the biggest.

  25. While it’s a no brainer that smoking, over time, will have negative health effects, I do not agree with specifically targeting this group and stereotyping them as filthy disgusting stupid people who are selfish and neglectful of their children’s health, in need of punishment through fines under the guise of a tax that is supposed to offset the cost of caring for these horrible lesser life forms that are accused of eating up the bulk of health care dollars.
    The truth is most people began smoking in their youth. If governments or life/health insurance companies really cared about smoking and the health care system then the cost of stop smoking devices such as the patch and gum would be reimbursed as other drugs are through prescription plans, but they are not and never have been even when these products were by prescription only. Case in point, Health Canada banned yes, banned the sale of electronic cigarettes in Canada which have reportedly, one of the highest success rates in helping smokers quit.These electronic cigs are available with both nicotine and non nicotine steam cartridges. There is less nicotine in an electronic cig cartridge than in a patch or gum – they are also odorless – do not irritate the skin and pose minimal, if any, health risks compared to other stop smoking products such as the patch or Zyban – Champix. I believe they were banned because they are no rules that can ban them from public places as they do not emit smoke and are not technically a cigarette so they can be consumed in a restaurant or public place. So despite what others may say, politics and drug company influence is involved in dictating what smoking “cures” are acceptable – the ones that make drug companies and the government the most money. With examples like this, is it any wonder that people question the motivation to find cures for other diseases and are therefore hesitant to donate to these charities.
    Tryptophan is another example of drug company manipulation. It was banned 6 months prior to the release of Prozac. Tryptophan is a natural amino acid that is very effective in curing depression and was dirt cheap – tryptophan is necessary in regulating and producing serotonin – it has virtually no side effects, yet people are given prescriptions that have significant harmful side effects,including death simply because there is a huge profit to be made. I could go on and on with information and facts on the anti-depressant industry but will only bring one other fact to light.
    One of the worst horrors is that children are/were being screened in school for any disorders that may require antidepressants – funded by guess who – pharmaceutical companies – the questionnaire to determine whether your child was in need of anti-depressant or other mood altering drugs was laughable – anyone would answer yes to many of the questions. These same pharmaceutical companies, under the guise, of a mental health program tried to make these mental health screens in mandatory in all schools, beginning in elementary school, and if parents opted their kids out they were under suspicion and in some cases child welfare was even alerted.

  26. Unfortunately, No-One, there ARE stupid, selfish parents out there who DO smoke in front of their kids. I’ve seen people smoke in front of babies. It’s these idiots that fuel the fires of alarmism for every leftist control freak.

  27. No-One – I’ve bought sub-lingual tryptophan dissolvee things within the past year as a sleep-aid (I find them so-so; they don’t have a patch on dramamine). Is it a different delivery system that was banned?
    Children are scandalously overmedicated. Ritalin! Oh, I the class-action lawsuits I foresee…

  28. “Unfortunately, No-One, there ARE stupid, selfish parents out there who DO smoke in front of their kids. I’ve seen people smoke in front of babies. It’s these idiots that fuel the fires of alarmism for every leftist control freak.
    Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at November 15, 2010 7:11 PM”
    There are also parents who drink, and do drugs in front of their children and think nothing of having different overnight guests each week. There was a time when a significant portion of the population smoked – think back to the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s and yes these people smoked in front of their children yet most were fine parents, arguably better than many non-smoking parents today.
    Interestingly enough, asthma in children has increased several fold at the same time that smoking rates declined several fold. If you recall, childhood asthma was blamed on smoking parents, yet the statistics do not back this up.
    I am not saying that smoking in front of children is a good thing – obviously it’s better if one does not, but there are certainly other activities that are far worse, its just that smokers are an easier and acceptable target.

  29. If the various levels of government were really serious about reducing youth smoking, they would run a series of TV ads, starring celebrities that youth admire, that state quite explicitly, “if you smoke, other people will think you’re icky, and you won’t get laid.”
    So darn simple, you’d think even a Liberal would get the message. But you know they won’t do that, because governments are as addicted to tobacco tax money as smokers are to nicotine, so all they will ever do is go through the motions of running anti-tobacco propaganda, but studiously avoid using anything likely to be effective. It wouldn’t surprise me that they have tested various ad campaigns before secret focus groups, and deliberately picked the least effective.

  30. The answer to the whole smoking “problem”: every fourth package should have an exploding device in the top so that when the pervert/smoker opens it,it blows his head off!
    The warning could read,”Caution!Opening this package may be dangerous to your health”.
    Guess I’m getting old,I have little patience with Nazis of any kind,especially the ones who are so anxious to tell us how to conduct every aspect of our lives.
    Lessee now; DON’T: smoke,drink,swear,be racist,drive an SUV,eat meat,be intolerant,deny global warming,hunt,fish,litter,worship any god but Gaia (or Mohammed),be homophobic,be conservative,use incandescent light bulbs,use more than one sheet of toilet paper………..
    Hm. Seems simple.
    Think I’ll just shoot m’self,it’d be easier.

  32. Eastern Paul
    Your e-mail got it wrong.
    The top guy in US Salvation Arny was Tod Bassett, now it is Israel L. Gaither. Mr. Bassett was not earning 13,000 but something like 64,000 + USD. And that was in 2004.
    Mr. Gaither is earning (according to Forbes) $243,246. However it is still less then all other top charities. Only Brother’s Brother Foundation top guy is earning less. (~134,000 USD)
    BTW Top guy in American Cancer Society does earn whooping $1,212,293
    ****
    Dave
    So true.

  34. Taxes on cigarettes is the government’s way of taxing morons.
    I walked by a food bank today, there were three mothers each with a toddler in large strollers with the empty space loaded with food handouts. They were having a grand chit chat smoking merrily away.
    Morons!!

  35. loki and No-One have many good points.
    dmorris said “Guess I’m getting old,I have little patience with Nazis of any kind,especially the ones who are so anxious to tell us how to conduct every aspect of our lives”. Agreed 100%. I will add and how to think.
    I stopped giving to activist social engineers of any sort a few years ago and stick strictly to Sally Ann, War Amps, Christmas Child and a few other similar charities.
    I stopped giving to the Red Cross in the 90s when the Yugoslav refugees were housed at CFB Petawawa and various aid doners were told that they could not give cigarettes to the smokers among the refugees. The Red Cross crossed the line from care providers to social engineers.

  36. Black Mamba – that’s intersting – are they 5HTP tablets (sometimes 5HTP is marketed as tryptophan although it is not) or are they actual L-tryptophan tablets that are also used to treat depression which, from what I understand, is only available as a prescription in Canada – its called Tryptan. My info is a couple of years old, so it’s possible regulations have changed. I often suffer from terrible insomnia myself.

  37. In Vancouver, the lefties provide free safe warm places to smoke crack or shoot heroin complete with a nurse to help you. But you cannot smoke a cigarette within 20 feet of the front door.
    Leftist logic.

  38. “governments are as addicted to tobacco tax money as smokers are to nicotine”
    And anti-smoking lobby groups are addicted to government funding. Their supposed goal of eliminating tobacco use is the last thing that they want to happen. When the evil weed is gone, so is the funding.
    Although they then have the option of turning their wrath on the obese.

  39. Ella thanks.
    You know how these chain emails go…
    And people who believe it all, like me pass them on.
    That’s why the internet is the wild west I guess; can’t bat .999 all the time!

  40. No-one, L-tryptophan (L-trp) was taken off the market in the late 1980’s not because of “drug-company manipulation”, but rather because the Japanese manufacturer of L-trp decided to cut corners in the purification step. There were a large number of cases of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS) associated with use of L-trp as a supplement. The FDA assumed it was L-trp, but it turned out that the culprit was most likely a tryptophan metabolite that had been removed in the first purification step but was left behind because when the *new and improved* purification method increased the yield of the bacterial fermentation process slightly. Despite this finding the FDA didn’t relent on keeping L-trp off the market. Interestingly, EMS seems to be almost unknown now and might have some other cause entirely.
    In Canada, L-trp became a prescription drug at about 10x the cost of when it had been a non-Rx amino acid. This is primarily the cost of statist regulation. Besides, it it wasn’t for drug companies making money, how else would I get to fly first class across the country to attend advisory board meetings?
    L-trp does work as an antidepressant, but 5-HTP is a better choice as it is one step closer to serotonin and also doesn’t have the drawbacks of L-trp in the setting of inflammation. L-trp is the amino acid that is in shortest supply in many situations and, in the case of infection, L-trp is broken down in the body and iron in the bloodstream is locked up so they aren’t available to bacteria. Some of the metabolites of L-trp in this situation are toxic and so I prescribe way less L-trp as an antidepressant than I used to. Depression is often associated with inflammation.
    Interestingly, nicotine is also an antidepressant and I’ve seen lots of smokers become depressed when they quit smoking. Bupropion is safer than smoking cigarettes, and cheaper so I use a lot of bupropion to help people cope with nicotine withdrawal. I don’t prescribe much varenicline (champix) as it has a bad side effect profile and is contraindicated in anyone with bipolar disorder.
    Both L-trp and 5-HTP don’t work for initial insomnia but do work for mid and terminal insomnia. For initial insomnia nothing beats zopiclone which also results in normal sleep architecture.
    While on the subject of statist regulation, the BC government has made it illegal to smoke on hospital property. I was very tempted to give this law the respect it deserved by smoking a cigar in front of the hospital front door. I got talked out of this by some friends I work with. Instead I think I’ll get some “and No farting” stickers made up and stick them on the “No perfumes or fragrences” signs that litter the hospital walls.

  41. Thanks for the info and confirmation Loki – I was aware of the reason Tryptophan was first taken off the market due to the bad batch back in the 80’s – it has been known for many years now that it was the process not the tryptophan. It seems to take an awfully long time for Health Canada to correct a mistake. It is also true that Prozac was introduced to the market very shortly after the bad batch incident.
    I do think anti-depressants are over prescribed, and the long term effects are unknown at this point. The irony that they can cause suicidal thoughts leaves me wondering why persons, short of being bi-polar, would want to take a drug that has the potential to worsen ones current level of depression. At least with an amino acid like tryptophan one can be assured their body, unless allergic or something, will not have any ill effects from consuming it or desire to kill themselves.
    I actually tried 5HTP for insomnia and I had no luck with it – thanks for explaining why. I refuse to take benzo’s for insomnia. I have been prescribed them but I do not fill out the prescription as I am aware they are very addictive and stay in ones system for a long time.
    As for smokers outside of hospitals, it’s insane in my view, cruel even, not to mention humiliating and dangerous for the patient. There is no such thing as common sense anymore. I’ve simply had it with ridiculous regulations.

  42. No-one, the crucial thing to do with anyone before they are prescribed antidepressants is to screen for bipolar disorder. In the case of unipolar depression, antidepressants are very effective and do result in fewer people killing themselves.
    Tryptophan I now only prescribe in people who can’t afford 5-HTP and who have their prescription drugs covered by the provincial government. 5-HTP is a far cleaner serotonin precursor but indole 2,3 dioxygenase also breaks down 5-HTP via the kynurenine pathway which results in products that can be neurotoxic. I just see fewer side effects with 5-HTP, but should review this area again
    In bipolar disorder, SSRI’s, in particular, can result in increased suicidal ideation and make suicide more likely, or so the thinking was. One population that is much more likely to have bipolar depression than unipolar depression are teenagers and the FDA put a black box warning on SSRI packages related to prescribing SSRI’s in teenagers. SSRI prescriptions in this population dropped and suicide rates went up.
    So now, if I see a depressed 14 year old that I think needs treatment, I’ll prescribe an SSRI and an atypical antipsychotic/mood stabilizer. The hardest part for me is to sell the parents on the antipsychotic but this combination is very safe and effective.
    As far as insomnia goes, it’s a good idea to avoid benzodiazepines as these don’t give you a normal sleep. Zopiclone, OTOH, gives completely normal sleep architecture and it’s a drug I prescribe a lot. One thing that doesn’t get done much under socialized medicine is to determine the cause of insomnia. If it’s delayed sleep phase syndrome, then melatonin (in conjunction with zopiclone) can reset sleep time to earlier in the evening (melatonin to be taken at expected time of falling asleep). One way of finding out what is going on is actigraphy which involves wearing a wrist-watch size actigraph for a week to determine circadian activity patterns. If the problem is inability to turn ones brain off at night, then atypical antipsychotics are uniquely effective and I have lots of people on quetiapine in low doses for treatment of insomnia.
    Kava was used by some people when it was still available as a supplement but I don’t know its effects on sleep architecture. Insomnia is easy to treat once one knows the etiology.

  43. Thanks again Loki – I always appreciate your expertise.
    My sleep problem is not being able to turn my brain off, so I will take your suggestion to my doctor.
    I see anxiety It’s a difficult call for parents when it comes to anti-depressants. However, I have worked with suicidal teens and agree that medication is definitely appropriate in some cases. I see anxiety disorders in teens much more frequently than 10 years ago. In my view, the lack of structure and boundaries is a major cause – these kids just don’t feel safe and lack direction. Many have either been overprotected, or given free reign to do whatever they like w/o any adult intervention. It’s very sad to watch and not much one can do for intervention unless the parent(s)become involved. Often anti-depressants are chosen over becoming involved in their teens life; the best outcome is a combination of parental involvement and medication for cases that impair a young persons ability to function.

  44. No-One – I couldn’t agree with you more about adolescents and anxiety. I can personally attest to everything you said. My objection to the medication of children – especially with ritalin – is that, as is perfectly obvious to anyone possessing a glancing familiarity with human nature, most of the “patients” are normal kids (usually boys) whose parents and teachers (but mainly parents) can’t be bothered paying attention to them.
    I realized today that the sub-lingual thingee I took for sleep was Melatonin; my bad. However I’m nearly certain that I’ve seen Tryptophan pills for sale and if you are a) reading this and b) interested [and c) Kate lets this comment stand despite its being quite off-topic] then check this thread tomorrow, where I will report back after phoning my local Hippy Store.

  45. No-One – the hippes sell 5HTP, but not Tryptophan per se. So this is what it feels like to be wrong! 🙁

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