40 Replies to “A Thousand Dollars A Gram”

  1. Here in Bantario, these critters are legion. The pest control agencies cannot deal with them effectively because that Asshole, Dalton McGuinty has banned the sale and use of pesticides and herbicides.
    Jesus wept!

  2. What’s the shelf life? I’m sure there’s also some +40 yrs forgotten in my grandfather’s barn, as many in Sask, in the far corner of a dark dusty top shelf among other mason jars of miscellaneous chemicals.

  3. Dearh toll due to banning DDT use in the Third World: MILLIONS PER YEAR, FOR EVERY YEAR SINCE IT WAS BANNED IN 1972.
    And something in DDT repels mosquitos: mosquitos avoid dwellings sprayed with DDT.
    Of course, living in modern cities, the ruling class does not have to deal with mosquito borne diseases, so the malaria prevention benefits are of no interest to them.

  4. Global warming will take care of them. We just have to wait until the temperature is around 115 degrees to kill the little buggers.

  7. Christin: if memory serves from my pesti/herbi courses at the uniGoo DDT lasts forever.

  8. small c hits the nail on the head. Bed bugs is the least of the worries with a third world riddled with malaria.
    This has been championed lately by the most unlikely of sources. Howard Stern.

  9. In other news, thanks to years and years of Liberal weed control programs in Ontario, ragweed is enjoying a bumper crop this year. Wondering why you feel like crap and can’t seem to catch your breath this month? That’s why. Ragweed. Even if you aren’t allergic to it, too much will make you feel crappy. And we have -way- too much. Even in Muskoka, which used to be a ragweed-free haven in summer.
    Why? They stopped cutting the weeds in the ditches of county roads, that’s why. They don’t spray the medians and verges of the highways either.
    You can even get fined for cutting your own ditches in some locations. Something about it interfering with fish and wetlands.
    Nice eh?

  10. Luckily it is not that difficult to make. Eventually, you’ll be able to buy the stuff from Kate or in dark alleys from the trunk of a black and tan Chevy. This is good news because after rec drugs are legalized organized crime will have to come up with new products to sell.
    Anyway, here is a link to a fairly objective source with info about DDT.

  11. “Green Cross.” Ha Ha.
    My Dad was a Green Cross agent. He sold 2-4-D along with many other ag products. One that recall was a mercury based seed treatment that sold under the Brand name, “Mergamma.” It killed wireworms. The “gamma” was derived from the newly developped A-Bomb that gave of serious “gamma” rays.
    DDT was most likley the least potent of most of the pesticides that we sold. It was relatively odourless, could be used inside a home or a barn, and killed all insects on contact and/or through ingestion. DDT was banned because the Yanks figured it was killing off their bald eagles. If they would have looked carefully, they would have found out that many were being killed in flight by hunters with high powered rifles. Eagles once brought a hefty price from taxidermists.
    DDT was the most effective pesticide against mosquitos. Especially the mosquitoes that carry malaria. Millions of people have died worldwide because of the ban. Nothing has really replaced DDT.
    We also sold Aldrin and Di-Eldrin, grasshopper poisons. That one was so bad, I wouldn’t even write about it! But you always have to remember this, If something is designed to kill insects, it isn’t meant to be spread on your cornflakes.

  13. The EPA as new agency conducted signifigant testing of DDT. They chartered a coupla chicken farms in Indiana and feed the chickens DDT for 2 years…observed no ill effects or mutations or changes in shell strength. Thay also feed DDT is paid volunteer federal inmates…..with no observed ill effects.
    To justify their existance, the produced a ruling and banned DDT and told abuncha lies about eagles, arctic birds eggs………WHO followed suit for the same reason.
    Rachel Carson declared her proudest momment was when DDT was banned….when confronted about the consequent malaria deaths….her response would best be described as callous and definitely racist.
    Yeah John…freon…somebody made a lotta money with an alleged safer (patented)alternative….we have since found that the ozone holes are caused by lack of sunlight and extreme cold in the polar regions in winter….and always have.

  14. Lots of nasty things are being introduced to Canada via third world “compassion”.
    Wait and see some of the lively little blood born critters yet to come, “bed bugs” the least of concerns.
    http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_diseases.html
    This is the result of jumping the queue and quarantine process. Same goes for imported good that hide various brands of mosquito’s cockroaches, spiders and anything else that should have stayed at home.

  15. Scripto- Yeah, I remember Di-Eldrin. Bad sh!t! In the hot summer droughts of 61 and 62, grasshoppers went ballistic and spraying was the only chance of controlling them.
    Trouble is, back then spraying was done off an open tractor. Tractor cabs, chemical respirators, hell, even safety goggles and dusk masks were still years away.
    These poor unknowing sobs went about their business…. only, a day, a week, a month, a year later they were sufferring serious repercussions. Some died, others sufferred life-long after effects.
    But it did kill hoppers!

  16. DDT suffers the same weakness of many pesticides – particularly older ones – it worked too well. Pesticides that were extremely toxic to the target pest – ie – they killed almost every one it came into contact with rapidly reduced the population down to only the ones who were immune or resistant to the chemical at that dose (BTW the politically correct term is now “molecule” not chemical) these survivors quickly bred up to problem population level and thus higher and higher dose levels were required to be effective. This happened very quickly with DDT as it alos had a very long residual effect which pressures the pest population even more to become resistant.
    In the eighties integrated pest and pesticide management practices became commonplace where pesticides were rotated so as not to pressure the growth of resistant populations. Even then I can recall using pesticides smuggled in from holland to spray for chrysanthemum leaf-miner because registered chemicals were ineffective and the market for such a specialized chemical was too small in canada to make it profitable for the company to get the Dutch chemical registered.
    I suspect DDT – as it has been out of (legal) use for decades now would be extremely toxic to various insect pests.

  17. Knight 99 – Do not particularly like eating out as it is, now (thanks to YOU!) I’ll do even less eating out, especially given that many restaurant workers are happy little immigrants. May save some money and lose some weight though.

  18. Can anyone tell me if Ottawa is bad for allergies?
    I have never had them so bad ( to include asthma symptoms) in my entire life…
    My chest feels like it is gripped in a vice..!

  19. “Slightly OT, but if someone needed a charge of Freon R12, I know where I can find 50 lbs.”
    I see a road trip to Tijuana in your future.

  20. “Tractor cabs, chemical respirators, hell, even safety goggles and dusk masks were still years away. ”
    My grandfather was resourceful and ahead of his time, had a large supply of surplus WWII gas masks for such jobs. I still have his last mask as a souvenir hanging on my wall, dated 1942.

  21. I believe South Africa has reintroduced
    it with a massive drop in malaria cases. The reason DDT is still banned is because the Neo Commies never have cared about Africa.

  22. Posted by: larben>
    I wouldn’t worry about it too much larben. Just learn to cite a few lines from the Koran as you bow and they might not spit in your soup.

  23. I remember my father handlling DDT in his bare hands and he lived to over 100. He would make a paste of DDT and water in the palm of his hand and immerse the onion seeds in it to keep the root magots out of the onions.

  24. Snagglepuss:
    I recall a guy spraying with Dieldrin using an open air 720 John Deere in 1961. The wind was quite strong, his clothes absorbed the chemical. He died 30 days later of kidney failure at 32.
    My Dad had had a 20 acre pasture that was always polluted with gophers. A double pass over the pasture in early spring and the gophers were gone! What was scary is when we’d spray the road allowances and a month and half later in the fall mhen the flying hoppers came in to lay eggs, they’d die in the brome grass. Now that is residue!

  25. “The EPA as new agency conducted signifigant testing of DDT. They chartered a coupla chicken farms in Indiana and feed the chickens DDT for 2 years…observed no ill effects or mutations or changes in shell strength.”
    Link? I mean you ask me anytime I make a statement, live up to your own standards.
    “Dearh toll due to banning DDT use in the Third World: MILLIONS PER YEAR, FOR EVERY YEAR SINCE IT WAS BANNED IN 1972”
    That’s like saying that the US government is responsible for millions of aids deaths because they refuse to allow generic drugs to be sold to Africa.
    “I remember my father handlling DDT in his bare hands and he lived to over 100. ”
    Well that solves it then, must be harmless.
    “DDT suffers the same weakness of many pesticides – particularly older ones – it worked too well. Pesticides that were extremely toxic to the target pest – ie – they killed almost every one it came into contact with rapidly reduced the population down to only the ones who were immune or resistant to the chemical at that dose (BTW the politically correct term is now “molecule” not chemical) these survivors quickly bred up to problem population level and thus higher and higher dose levels were required to be effective. This happened very quickly with DDT as it alos had a very long residual effect which pressures the pest population even more to become resistant.
    In the eighties integrated pest and pesticide management practices became commonplace where pesticides were rotated so as not to pressure the growth of resistant populations.”
    Nice to read a post by someone with an understanding of the subject.

  26. @ LC Bennett
    Anyway, here is a link to a fairly objective source with info about DDT.
    ========================================
    That “source” of your’s is clearly quite unreliable. They borrowed only selected parts of the Wikipedia article and they don’t say who they are.
    So, … who are they?

  27. DDT was banned years–a decade in fact– after Carson wrote Silent Spring and 8 years or so AFTER her death; and thus she would not have issued any “response” callous, prideful, or otherwise to the alleged deaths from DDT. Perhaps sasquatch is in touch with a psychic who speaks for her beyond the grave (those DDT related ‘deaths’in any case are not due to DDT but to mosquitoes’ resistance to overuse of DDT which, as Carson correctly predicted, would result in more mosquitoes, harder to kill, and consequently more deaths from malaria). But knowing this would require that people like sasquatch consult some source other than, say, Rush Limbaugh. Your level of ignorance is shocking.

  29. David, I went looking for a chemistry based site not a political, pharmaceutical or environmental one. The site gives both the pros (effectiveness) and cons (resistance, persistence in the environment). It also provides references in the footnotes to allow the reader to independently confirm its assertions. To me this indicates, but does not confirm, that this is a fairly objective article. What specifically do you disagree with and where does your info come from?

  30. “DDT was banned because the Yanks figured it was killing off their bald eagles. If they would have looked carefully, they would have found out that many were being killed in flight by hunters with high powered rifles. Eagles once brought a hefty price from taxidermists.”

    But the eagle killing by hunters slowed a lot after it was made a federal crime in 1918, and then when that law was beefed up with higher fines, longer prison sentences, and better enforcement in a 1941 amendment. Eagle killing with guns essentially stopped.
    But young eagles didn’t turn the corner to maturity. Mature eagles couldn’t produce successful nests. While the mechanism by which DDT was killing eagle young was not known well until the early 1970s, it was clear something other than guns was killing eagles. DDT showed up as the chemical component in the necropsies.
    Proof: After the U.S. stopped spraying DDT outdoors on crops, DDT in the tissues of eagles, osprey, peregrine falcons and brown pelicans dropped year by year — and breeding success increased.
    There is no credible science report that DDT wasn’t the culprit that prevented eagles from recovering. There is no science paper anywhere which makes that claim, and no scientist working in the field who makes that claim without publication.
    The Yanks were right. DDT was killing the eagles.

    DDT was the most effective pesticide against mosquitos. Especially the mosquitoes that carry malaria.

    The U.S. Army beat malaria to build the Panama Canal, without a hint of DDT — the project was completed in 1915, 24 years before Mueller discovered DDT worked against insects. In the U.S., malaria was called “defeated” by the Centers for Disease Control in 1939. A few weeks later, Mueller conducted his experiments that showed DDT killed insects. DDT was not available to fight malaria until 1946, seven years after malaria was defeated in the U.S.
    Defeat of malaria has always required an improvement in medical care, especially diagnosis and treatment of infected humans, and prevention, in the U.S. with the construction of better homes with screens in the windows. DDT helped, but could never do the job on its own.

    Millions of people have died worldwide because of the ban. Nothing has really replaced DDT.

    According to Malcolm Gladwell, the World Health Organization stopped the massive use of DDT in the middle 1960s when it became clear that mosquitoes had become immune to DDT because of overuse in agriculture. The U.S. banned DDT in 1972, much later, and then only for agricultural use. The U.S. continued to crank out DDT to export to Africa and Asia — but DDT simply was not as effective as it once was, and it was rather pointless without a well-organized and well-run campaign to do the other things necessary to beat malaria.
    Millions have died? Not for a lack of DDT. At the height of DDT use, in 1959 and 1960, about 3 million people a year died from malaria. In 1972, when the U.S. stopped spraying DDT on cotton in the U.S., about 2 million people died each year from malaria.
    Today, under 900,000 people a year die from malaria. Without DDT, the world has dramatically cut the malaria death rate.

  31. In the U.S., malaria was called “defeated” by the Centers for Disease Control in 1939.
    That’s a complete and utter lie., seeing as how the CDC wasn’t even created until 1946, and one of its first jobs was to try and eliminate malaria in the US.

  32. I read this but I cannot provide a link so I can’t swear by it.
    A scientist studied the effect of DDT on birds and their eggs. He discovered an apparent link between DDT and thin egg shells. One of the reviewers of his study pointed out the diet he fed his birds was low in calcium.
    He repeated his study with a bird diet with a normal level of calcium and the egg shells were normal. He tried to publish a second paper correcting the first but journal that published the first paper refused the second.

  33. O.k.. I’ll be the spokesman for those who grew up in the big city; what exactly is, and what is it for, this DDT varnish?

  35. “I read this but I cannot provide a link so I can’t swear by it.”
    Then don’t even post it, it’s BS. DDT has been shown to cause reproductive problems in birds…period.
    http://www.biolreprod.org/content/74/3/481.abstract
    Following egg injection on Embryonic Day 4, the newly hatched chicks were sexed by cloacal inspection. A skewed phenotypic sex ratio with overrepresentation of chicks deemed as females was observed in the groups exposed to the three highest doses of o,p′-DDT but not in the EE2-exposed group. Normal sex ratios were observed in all groups at adulthood. However, a cloacal deformation seemed to remain in the adult roosters, causing an abnormal semen flow upon semen collection. Semen yield was significantly reduced in both o,p′-DDT-exposed and EE2- exposed birds, whereas semen quality was unaffected. When killed, deformations of the left testis were found in all treatment groups. Image analysis revealed a reduced seminiferous tubular area in the roosters exposed to the two highest doses of o,p′-DDT. Embryonic exposure to o,p′-DDT caused decreased comb weight and right-spur diameter, while EE2 only affected right-spur diameter. In conclusion, this study shows that embryonic exposure to estrogenic compounds can induce permanent effects in male birds.
    http://www.esajournals.org/doi/full/10.1890/1051-0761%282003%29013%5B0504%3AEEOOPI%5D2.0.CO%3B2
    Survival probability was reduced by 29% in females and 16% in males as oxychlordane concentrations in the blood increased 10-fold (from 5 to 50 ng/g wet mass). In long-lived birds, adult survival probability is the parameter to which the population growth rate is most sensitive, suggesting that persistent OCs have the potential for causing considerable effects on the population dynamics of Arctic-breeding Glaucous Gulls.

  36. DDT was blamed for raptor population declines as a pretext for banning it but in fact the populations were rebounding at the same time DDT was being used to excess.

  37. “DDT was blamed for raptor population declines as a pretext for banning it but in fact the populations were rebounding at the same time DDT was being used to excess.”
    Any proof there professor?

  38. I mention a report on egg shell thickness and BTJ counters with something that doesn’t even mention egg shell thickness. I guess I will consider myself chastised.

  40. “Any proof there professor?”
    Posted by: BTJ
    Edwards, J. Gordon, 1981, Silent Spring – Broken Spring, National Council for Environmental Ballance.
    Quoting Audubon bird counts.
    Quoted in the book – Trashing The Planet by Dixy Lee Ray.
    Here’s an exerpt from a speech by J. Gordon Edwards:
    “Page 109. Carson alleges that because of the spray programs, “Heavy mortality has occurred among about 90 species of birds, including those most familiar to suburbanites and amateur naturalists. … All the various types of birds are affected—ground feeders, treetop feeders, bark feeders, predators.”
    Carson provides no references to confirm that allegation. The Audubon Christmas Bird Counts, in fact, continued to reveal that more birds were counted, per observer, during the greatest “DDT years,” including those types that Carson had declared to be declining in numbers. When marshes were sprayed with DDT to control the mosquitoes, a common result was a population explosion of birds inhabiting the marshes. The increases evidently occurred because of a reduction in bird diseases that were formerly transmitted by local blood-sucking insects, greater abundance of available food (less plant destruction by insects), and increased quantities of hepatic enzymes produced by the birds as a result of ingesting DDT (these enzymes destroy cancer-causing aflatoxins in birds and other vertebrates).”
    Which can be found at: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/Carson.html

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