Byron York:
As Obama said, his grandfather was a Muslim. His father was raised a Muslim before becoming, by Obama’s account, “a confirmed atheist.” Obama’s stepfather was a Muslim. His half-sister Maya told the New York Times that her “whole family was Muslim.”
Obama spent two years in a Muslim school in Indonesia and later, in a conversation with the Times’ Nicholas Kristof, described the Arabic call to prayer, the beginning of which he recited by heart, as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” Given all that, it is entirely accurate and fair to describe Obama as having Muslim roots.
Some might go even further, when their guard is down for a moment.
What Chris, batb, bygeorgeg, and Revnant Dream at August 23, 2010 4:51 PM said.
I think BHO is a Muslim. He does not celebrate birthdays or Christmas – Muslims do not celebrate these occasions. He celebrates Ramadan, yet canceled the National Day of Prayer service at the White-house. He quoted scriptures from Leviticus (old testament) mocking them, yet did not mock any Koranic scriptures, but he quotes positively from the Koran in speeches. Both his father (Barrack Hussein Obama Sr – is a descendant of several generations of Muslims), and his step-father was also Muslim, making him Muslim by Islamic law. When he attended school in Indonesia his religion was listed as Muslim. He quotes the Koran in perfect Arabic. He changed his Christian name – Barry Soetero to a Muslim name; Hussein is reserved for Muslims (Barrack, Barack – Baraq which is Arab). He wrongly stated that Thomas Jefferson was sworn in with a Koran. He bowed to the Saudi King, yet he did not bow to the British Queen. He also attributes most of the world’s greatest advancements to Muslims. He stated in a speech that America is no longer a Christian nation. He also had the cross removed from the background when he spoke at Georgetown University. There are also photgraphs of him in Muslim dress.
There are many links on the net to these facts and others, all you have to do is google them. Too many links for me to provide.
“Actually pretty much every culture has acted that way ( forced conformity, intimidation, violence, war et cetera ).”
Completely agree. However, that was a direct response to a question about the “christian” church. Given the antipathy the Catholic church generated in the medieval era, I figured that’s what ET was referring to.
“It has NOTHING to do with the (*)Christian Church.”
I disagree there. The answer is fairly simple: Church/Papal infallibility. If you have a dogma that says one man/institution is always right and unquestionable, then, well, you are altering that particular human’s/institution’s behaviour. He will make decisions that he probably wouldn’t have otherwise made. Much of the fault, then, lies in the doctrine that empowers him to make mistakes without ever having to accept that they were mistakes. It may be about human nature, but in this case, the individual’s human nature is altered by the religious dogma and therefore the dogma deserves a significant part of the blame. The Dogma is propagated by the Church on the basis of some religious reason (I don’t know what it is) and therefore it has everything to do with the Catholic Church.
You are, however, correct to say that there are many others.Even the communists have similar dogmas about their supreme leaders (North Korea being the most obvious example). But that does not mean the Catholic Church of the medieval ages deserves a clean chit.
No one,
I know what leftists will say to you.
“You are paranoid”
and if it turns out you are right and Obama is a Muslim they will say
“so what? big deal ! ”
or
“you are intolerant of other religions.”
It is all so predictable…
The church has made its mea culpa for the medieval times errors and has evolved quite a bit since then.
When will Islam do the same ?
What the Pope teaches is infallible, not the man.
Read the Catechism before you shoot your mouth off, Devil’s Advocate.
At least the Catholic Church doesn’t issue insane fatwas. And let’s not forget its indelible mark on Western culture, ie, adding to it.
“islam is not a race. Now don’t get me wrong – I’m not calling you an idiot – but if you take the most basic definition of idiot (a senseless person) and compare it to the statement above, it is pretty self-evident.”
Well, I guess its been a while since you read a book aimed at, err, thinking adults. Maybe I should have said “new” racism. Yes, there is such a term as “new racism” which doesn’t take a literal biological meaning of the word race. I’ll let you look it up. I initially used the word “big”-“oted”, but removed it in case there was a filter on this site. And no, I m not hurling that term at anyone here. I am simply pointing out that, as their comments indicate, they are genuinely fearful of Islam, hence Islamophobe.
“At least the Catholic Church doesn’t issue insane fatwas. And let’s not forget its indelible mark on Western culture, ie, adding to it.”
Hold up, before you get on my case about the Catholic Church, lets not forget that many of the people who inhabited this continent were protestants escaping from religious persecution. Lets leave it at that. I am not interested in debating this topic beyond clarifying what I assume ET had in mind when he wrote what he did. For the record, you are the one comparing it to Islam, not me.
“When will Islam do the same ?”
If Christianity is any indicator, we should be seeing a muslim Luther in another 100 years (1500 years after inception) and a mea culpa in around 400 years?
BTJ
He rose from the dead. His tomb, unlike Buddha’s, Muhammad’s whatever. Empty. None of these Claimed to be God. Indeed no one.. He did. Crucified for it.
He doesn’t leave you with a fantasy He was just a man. He was either Nuts, a deceiver , or God. No middle ground. Than proved it when the grave couldn’t hold Him.
Christians don’t expect people to Understand. The scriptures say. The Gentiles think its foolishness. The Jews a curse. So has it ever been.
By the way the Church is both Tares & Wheat. The true Church is invisible. In men’s hearts, called by God By His grace.
By the way
If Christianity is any indicator, we should be seeing a muslim Luther in another 100 years (1500 years after inception) and a mea culpa in around 400 years?
They should do it now.
It would help calm down everyone left and right.
Don’t you agree?
Devil’s Advocate, we could be here all day and night talking about the “Church’s transgressions” but the simple fact at the end of it all is that the Church is not the enemy. THAT is a Protestant/secular argument. I’m more worried about Islamofascists.
DA>
“New Racism” Ha ha ha ha LOL.
They will make up anything to make it work. I suppose you have heard about the “New acceptable” terms for Negro’s out thier now also? Such as coming up with a Presidential Solution instead of N….ger rigged (to be politically correct).
It never ends with the liberal left and thier bastardization of the English language and western values.
Islamophobia – ha ha ha. A phobia is meant to mean an invalid fear of something that might cause harm but is unfounded. Well any right thinking person knows damned well that Islam is intent on causing harm. They even prove it over and over again, but the loons call it phobic to think that.
“”New Racism” Ha ha ha ha LOL.”
Oh dear. I just realised I’ve been taking a teenager seriously. “LOL”. Really? Never mind. Make of it what you will. Asyou grow older and read more about the world, you will probably learn more about the world.
As for irrational fear, let me quote a line from above:
” when your daughter is subjugated to Sharia law,and stoned to death for “dating” an infidel,you will call it chickenshit?”
See, I don’t know how it appears to young people, but the likelihood of this happening in America is, well, a little less than Elvis Pressley coming back to life. This kind of fear is percieved by some of us who, ummm, have seen a bit of the world, as a bit, how should I put it, invalid?
DA>
Amusing. I can feel comfortably sure that I am much older and wiser than you think. Simply not a pretentious ass in using modern online linguists such as LOL. Much more preferable me thinks than utilizing newly made up arguments via terms such as “New Racism”
But old wise ones such as yourself, have so much more to offer us “young bucks” LOL.
DA>
I can also feel comfortable in assuming that I’m far more travelled than you attempt to establish having worked and lived on every continent other than the Antarctica. In fact 60% of my life has been living in a variety of Muslim countries and have raised now very independent adult children, that time abroad is substantial by most standards. Having filled Qty (4) x 48 page Canadian passports in the last ten years alone. Your “get out and see the world” snipes at me are hilarious, and only reinforce your grandiose online presentation of yourself as ridiculous to someone like myself.
Revnant:
“He rose from the dead.”
Ah, the old tale of the coming of Spring…that story has been told and retold again since the Egyptians…and maybe even longer. Do you REALLY believe that Jesus rose from the dead?
Knight99:
” “New Racism” Ha ha ha ha LOL.
They will make up anything to make it work”
I guess you haven’t read much of Ayn Rand’s work then? In ‘The New Left’ Rand examines the term ‘racism’, broadening its popular definition to include any judgment of a person based on a non-value or in relation to a collective identity.
Great. I’ll broaden a term and publish on SDA right here right now – idiot troll = “New Idiot Troll”.
So much more significant, no?
Knight99:
So I assume you will stick to your insinuation that Ayn Rand is part of, I quote, “the liberal left”, and that she is guilty of “bastardization of the English language and western values.”?
Quite the statement.
“I can also feel comfortable in assuming that I’m far more travelled than you attempt to establish having worked and lived on every continent other than the Antarctica.”
More proof that one can do all the traveling and have all the experiences possible without ever really opening one’s eyes. Traveling around blinded by one’s own opinions will never achieve that which can be reached by opening one’s eyes and opinions to the world from the comfort of a couch with a book in hand. It’s 2010, you don’t need to physically travel in order to experience the world, you just have to WANT TO ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE IT.
Yea, I read it in a book works for most people, at least those inclined to sit in a chair like all “armchair quarterbacks”, telling everyone else how they have it all wrong.
Nope there’s nothing like reading someone elses point of view then chastising those that have first hand experience with other cultures.
Question – are you one of those people that like to bow with your hands together as if in prayer and smile a ridiculously patronizing toothy grin every time you enter a Chinese restaurant?
I’m betting you do.
“Much more preferable me thinks than utilizing newly made up arguments via terms such as “New Racism””
If mocking terms you’ve never heard before is your favorite activity, might I refer you to ET’s posts.
“I can also feel comfortable in assuming that I’m far more travelled than you attempt to establish having worked and lived on every continent other than the Antarctica. . . . . and only reinforce your grandiose online presentation of yourself as ridiculous to someone like myself.’
You don’t have anything to prove to me. If you are as old and wise as you say you are, then please accept my apology. I don’t really care where you’ve been or what you’ve done. I’ve only suggested that you have a slightly underdeveloped view of the world, which I simply inferred from your statement. Your decision to defend it in such detail leaves me wondering why you feel the urge to defend it so vehemently. FWIW, I believe you.
“only reinforce your grandiose online presentation of yourself as ridiculous to someone like myself.”
No, no. I am sure you are smarter and more articulate than me. You just have a very young (juvenile?) way of expressing yourself.
“New Idiot Troll”.
I quite prefer lesser troll or major troll (as the case may be). But by all means, call me what you want.
Who say’s I agree with ET? Rarely do I agree with ET except on a few issues.
The “New Idiot Troll” was directed at BTJ. I’ve always cut you a little troll slack DA.
Again maybe it’s not my travelled view of the world that’s “undeveloped”.
There was no point in over articulating my “world experience” aside from giving credibility to my knowledge of it, and respecting you POV enough to emphasize that you are not sparring with a teenaged idealist.
PS: I do have a young juvinile way of expressing myself allot of the time (sometimes not). That’s what helps me stay young, and not take things too seriously. It works for me, and I feel successful in life because of it 😉
“Nope there’s nothing like reading someone elses point of view then chastising those that have first hand experience with other cultures.”
So one experience (if it’s your own) is worth more than numerous experiences (by other people)? Really? Sounds rather narrow minded.
Living in Canada exposes one to cultures from around the world, one does not have to travel to the ME to meet Muslims from the ME…I interact with them all the time.
My point was that being open minded is far more valuable than traveling around the world.
BTJ >
Yes of course, the Muslim undergrad in your downtown TO office is going to reveil to you openly what the customs officer, or taxi driver in Saudi Arabia will, as to what he thinks of you and your culture.
PS: For every POV you read in a book you can find an opposing POV every bit as articulate in another book. It’s which emotions or rationality you choose to accept by someone elses heart felt words or spin on their brand of logic.
I’ll give you a personal experience (as everyone there in Canada is nicely tucked away for the evening, and I’m bored as hell in Singapore this afternoon).
I was scheduled to fly to Algeria on Sept 12 2001, but was delayed due to flights shut down over North America until Sept 13, then arranged a flight out (probably on one of the first few out after the ban lifted).
Anyway, everyone saw the media hype of the Palistinians dancing in the streets, outrage ensued, and the coverage was quickly dropped. Then reports came out pumped in by the Islamic media, jumped on by the western MSM that the reports were of isolated occurrence, then fraudulent claiming that it was old film footage of some celebration or another.
So to say the least I had know idea of what to expect of the “locals” in Algeria at that time. Of course Algeria is like a police state full of armed encampments at the best of times, due to Islamic terrorism to both westerners and “locals”, now it was intensified big time.
The point is when I arrived, the “moderate Muslim” locals were indeed jubilant over the Sept 11 attacks. They confided in me incisively about it, first and formost because I am Canadian and some didn’t seem to see a correlation with “Americans”. Secondly to goad and gloat over a westerner. I encountered this everywhere I went and was even privey to a bombardment of joke 9/11 e-mails for months afterwards by several Muslims. I ended some friendships with Muslim co-wokers one night over drinks about it ( yes drinks). I well know the hypocrisy, and inherent jealous nature within the culture.
Had I not witnessed this all first hand, I’m sure I would still be sitting back in Canada believing in moderate Islam and a few bad apples.
Exuse the typo’s ecetrea I’m still on IPod for the next week which is painful.
DA
Indeed. A constant fear of something or the other. That’s what makes America great. At least that’s what this thread suggests. Lets say Islam is defeated and vanquished. I wonder who next in line is. ……There will be always someone to be scared off. No self-confidence. Just fear. It always amazes me how scared Americans are that there ideals will get washed away by the barbarian hordes.
It is funny that you implied that Americans must have someone to fear just because communists were enemies first and then when USSR went down Islamic terrorists or islamic fundamentalists started to be perceived as an enemies. Somehow you are misreading things. It is not because America must have someone to fear but it is because America is a perceived leader of the West. As such, communist USSR thought itself by definition as an enemy of US. .[USSR was also primary enemy of Islam then]. After downfall of USSR US started to be thought by many muslims as primary enemy of Islam, as a crusader state and a leader of crusaders aka leader of western countries.
It amazes me that you deride preparations for future eventualities. Although you confirm that Chinese spies did much more damage then Russians did, it is, according to you “just fear”. With no real ground for being afraid of possible damage. It surprises me that although there was a terrorist act on 9/11, although there were people who died on 9/11 and although there were other terrorists act on US soil, you call the looking for enemies ” naivety or paranoia”. You write that people here see America as land full of cloaked enemies just because they are wary of Cordoba mosque, of some believers of religion which professes itself to be also a political ideology and are opposed to a president who prefer to have fun on vacation instead of working. . Certainly the founding fathers were not frightened of enemies but they were preparing for what enemies may have done, and the same do many Americans nowadays.
Of course fear can be “good thing and a bad thing” but there is not a lot here of irrational fear. You are saying that there is very small Muslim population in USA but there was also a small Muslim population 20 years ago in Europe. Now there is much larger Muslim population in Europe and they are wielding more power, a power given to them by politicians . You are assuming that in future bureaucratic inertia will stop “insidious mechanisms” but do you have any evidence for that, in the past, perhaps. Does bureaucratic inertia is stopping changes in UK? There are checks and balances on the government but then president has large powers and even with checks and balances he(or she) may do a lot of damage, if he/she wanted to. Does he want to? How do I know? So being wary of this president is not so ridiculous, isn’t it? When he can make a lot of damage for the country.
Great civilizations may dissapear, but I think Americans prefer that their own civilization will disappear after other civilization will do so. And that”s why some Americans are wary of enemies and advocati diaboli.
You said it ella,
It’s about language, cultures, and borders – to quote M Savage.
The “fear” is losing ones culture or society. Show us a better culture than the one we have and maybe people would be less reluctant to let ours go.
The only true “globalist’s” are the wealthy elite who’s money buys them a ticket out of the stink the third world brings. They promote globism and multiculturalism, because it brings them a penthouse apartment c/w security on a beach and a getaway yacht. The rest are useful idiots who will never understand that they are shitting in thier own back yard and will be condemned to raise thier children in it.
“Yes of course, the Muslim undergrad in your downtown TO office is going to reveil to you openly what the customs officer, or taxi driver in Saudi Arabia will, as to what he thinks of you and your culture.”
For someone who seems to think of himself as quite well experienced with other cultures you sure do make a lot of assumptions. Like I was saying…it’s how you approach experiences that will determine their worth, prejudgments will not achieve anything.
I interact with Muslim families, from 5 year old children to seniors, quite often at one of my jobs.
“For every POV you read in a book you can find an opposing POV every bit as articulate in another book.”
That’s the point…that is the value of exploring other people’s point of view. Would an echo chamber achieve more?
” everyone saw the media hype of the Palistinians dancing in the streets”
People who have been suppressed and abused by US sponsored groups
“Of course Algeria is like a police state full of armed encampments at the best of times, due to Islamic terrorism to both westerners and “locals”, now it was intensified big time.”
US supported state terrorism which, among other things, blocked democratic elections has a good deal to do with the terrorism.
Do you not think that US foreign policy had more of an influence over the reactions and feelings of citizens of those two country’s than their religion?
“It is funny that you implied that Americans must have someone to fear just because communists were enemies first and then when USSR went down Islamic terrorists or islamic fundamentalists started to be perceived as an enemies. ”
I think the more telling fact is that the Cold War was used as reasoning for US geopolitical/foreign relations decisions long after the Soviets posed any real threat and in situations in which the Soviets were not involved. (eg. Nationalism scares in South America 1945 and the invasion of Panama, respectively)
“It surprises me that although there was a terrorist act on 9/11, although there were people who died on 9/11 and although there were other terrorists act on US soil, you call the looking for enemies ” naivety or paranoia”.”
If you know anything about the history of world geopolitics you will realize that in the broader picture, the US DOMINATES the world, in all respects…they’ve began to sputter economically, but their GDP is HUGE and their military might is even bigger. The 90’s was the era of world terrorism…why it doesn’t stand out is because much of it was US sponsored.
“The “fear” is losing ones culture or society.”
And threatening individual rights with collective majority ‘cultures and boarders’ is going down that path. Do you think that the NRA should have canceled their tour through Columbine shortly after the massacre?
That’s right BTJ >
I almost forgot “American’s brought 9/11 on themselves”.
or was it “George Bush hates black people, and it was an inside job”
Nab, let’s just stick with “they have a contatotional right to build a mosque on ground zero”.
Happy? I’ll just agree that your right, with whatever your point is. By the way what was that point again? Something about you are a Muslim or have allot of Muslim friends………..
I’ll bet some of the closest & “best” friends you know are Jewish, eh BTJ? wink, wink.
Listen BTJ>
I’ll be nice for a post.
Your obviously out of your depth commenting here in your nonsensical roundabout ways. The attempt to take credit for the value of opposing POV’s in reading a variety of books when it was handed to you should be a BIG indicator.
“echo chamber” he he he, I’m chuckling warmly honestly. I suppose there probably has not been many around you in your lifetime to “help” you see the projection that you put on other peoples ideas or comments. I find that sad in a way. So let me be like a surrogate uncle (for this post at least) and suggest you move along to another blog where your “ideas” may be better accepted as your own, and not repetitive, or borrowed.
Best of luck & Cheers.
“That’s right BTJ >
I almost forgot “American’s brought 9/11 on themselves”.”
Huh? I never approached that subject, only that there are reasons for why people in certain COUNTRIES might not bear the most friendly feelings towards the US. But hey, Glenn Beck said it himself, the US gave people reasons to dislike them…their foreign policy being one of them.
“Something about you are a Muslim or have allot of Muslim friends”
I WORK in a residence where cultures from around the world live.
“Your obviously out of your depth commenting here in your nonsensical roundabout ways.”
Hahahahahahaha!…right, and you’re right at home oh wise one. What a joke boss.
“The attempt to take credit for the value of opposing POV’s in reading a variety of books when it was handed to you should be a BIG indicator.”
What are you talking about. I said it right off the bat, multiple points of view are better than one. YOU just happened to screw up and try to argue the opposite, so I took advantage of your statement by quoting it.
“I suppose there probably has not been many around you in your lifetime to “help” you see the projection that you put on other peoples ideas or comments.”
Huh? Ya, I live in a box and never come out :S
” move along to another blog where your “ideas” may be better accepted as your own, and not repetitive, or borrowed.”
You can keep your suggestions to yourself, you’re an immature grown man, and I’ve got more sense than to take your kind seriously. This blog is ALL ABOUT repetitive, borrowed ideas…every post is nearly identical…except of course for the dissenting voices you get labeled trolls. So I’m not too sure what you’re trying to get at.
Mr. Knight, in theory I like your new designation, “New Idiot Troll”. But in apllication, won’t it involve a lot of NIT-picking?
BTJ
Prove Yeshewa didn’t. They have been trying for 2000 years. No cigar. Yes I do believe in the Messiah Jesus raose from the dead physically. In fact if he didn’t like the NT says. If he did not rise your faith is in vain.
Gee BJT why don’t you ask God this yourself?
A fraid you may get an answer than have to commit?Usually folks like you try to say its silly to pray to ther air. But a real truth seeeker would try it. No, you really want nothing to do with God unless its on your terms. Salvation is free to any.
Jesus said if you Knock at His door he will come sup with you & You with Him.
Just ask. One prayer
“Yes I do believe in the Messiah Jesus raose from the dead physically.”
That’s all I need to know. Faith over reason is the end of human progress.
“A fraid you may get an answer than have to commit?Usually folks like you try to say its silly to pray to ther air. But a real truth seeeker would try it. No, you really want nothing to do with God unless its on your terms. Salvation is free to any.”
I’ve been more than exposed to my fair share of Christianity…my grandfather was a Reverend.
The story of the rise of Jesus from the dead has been told over and again throughout time, using all sorts of names…it’s the story of the renewal of life that comes with the coming of Spring. Doesn’t it seem rather ironic that Easter just so happens to take place at the start of Spring?
It is the words of Jesus that you should concern yourself with…Jesus taught that all humans could be like him, find true happiness, inner peace, peace of mind, free oneself from the ego, just be.
BJT>
Calm down before you give yourself an aneurism Just relax a little. We don’t need anyone blowing a gasket around here over a few ideas, regardless of thier position, or whether they have the sense or not to know when their not welcome.
Like they say different strokes for different ………….
BTJ
To scared to say one prayer huh?
Cowardice by default.
Faith over reason is the end of human progress.
Really? Where did hospitals, public education, Universities, come from? Who where the Worlds leading scientists till the 20th century?
Your fooling yourself. Besides you have your Mythology I have mine. Suppositions are not science. Science is a process.
Oh yeah just because your Dad, or Grandfather was a Minister doesn’t mean you know squat. Mine was a tool push. Does that make me proficient at oil production?
JMO
“Calm down before you give yourself an aneurism”
Me thinks you should take your own advice.
“know when their not welcome”
So much collectivism around here…always falling back on the strength of the group. If I didn’t fully realize the definition of ‘irony’ I do now.
“To scared to say one prayer huh?”
What?
“Really? Where did hospitals, public education, Universities, come from?”
Well, people used reason to build the buildings, people used reason to figure out how the human body works, people used reason to create courses and subjects. Mind explaining how religious faith itself created any of this?
“Who where the Worlds leading scientists till the 20th century?”
Modern science didn’t start till the 20th century! But please, who were they? And how did religious faith contribute to science?
“Besides you have your Mythology I have mine.”
Yes, but I don’t use 2000 year old storied to guide my life, and I don’t believe in people rising from the dead.
“Oh yeah just because your Dad, or Grandfather was a Minister doesn’t mean you know squat.”
You’re right, no, it doesn’t. But I was very close with him, went to church with him, talked with him, was preached to by him, celebrated Christian holidays with him…basically, he taught me Christianity and he was an absolutely wonderful, happy, joyful, amazing person. So I don’t need anyone to preach Christianity, been there, done that…took the best away from it.
BTJ
This will be my last post to you.
Frankly your answer is so dumb, it has to be a put on. I don’t like being played. Now go play with yourself. Nobody could be that stupid.
Oh yeah, grab a REAL history book. Hint: Harvard was Started as a theological school.
Happy trails
” Harvard was Started as a theological school.”
So they built a school…a school is only worth something if it promotes progress and ingenuity…religious faith does not promote either, it promotes a very narrow vision through which to see the world with, namely believing rewritten and edited 2000+ year old stories to explain the world and your life. And you can’t even venture too far with your interpretation of them (as in my interpretation of the rising of Jesus from the dead) without persecution even in this day of ‘modern’ Christianity.
Revnant >
Now if you were advocating Islam, it’s ideologies and historical “accomplishments” no doubt you would be having a very different interaction with BJT.
“Religious beliefs” miraculously become a progressive advancment, with non-secular acceptance.
For the record I’m not religious myself, but these atheist twits are not intelligent enough to realize that they are a cult onto themselves. Religious or not it makes for a wondrous fool to not realize and accept the accomplishments that western Christianity has rewarded thier livelyhoods. Unlike anything else the world has offered any common person anywhere and at anytime.
“Now if you were advocating Islam, it’s ideologies and historical “accomplishments” no doubt you would be having a very different interaction with BJT.”
No he wouldn’t…ALL religious faith over reason is the end of human progress…all religions, especially how they are practiced by most followers, present a primitive way of viewing the world around you. The teachings of Jesus are absolutely amazing, however, most people get caught up believing he was some supernatural being who’s being can never be achieved by any other human.
“these atheist twits are not intelligent enough to realize that they are a cult onto themselves”
Quote me saying I’m ‘an atheist’.
“western Christianity has rewarded thier livelyhoods.”
Please, do share some examples of what western Christianity ITSELF has rewarded us with? Was the light bulb invented using Christianity? The internal combustion engine? What?
BTJ >
“Quote me saying that I’m an atheist”
Why don’t you quote me saying you are.
I suspect your Muslim.
“I suspect your Muslim.”
You suspect my Muslim what? Did he get out again and cause trouble?