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From the comments; “Wow.. I think I’d be tempted to start booby -trapping all those trails.”
Think that’s far fetched? Think again: Car bomb in Mexican drug war changes ground rules
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From the comments; “Wow.. I think I’d be tempted to start booby -trapping all those trails.”
Think that’s far fetched? Think again: Car bomb in Mexican drug war changes ground rules
There is a place 30 miles south east of Yuma that is called the “tanks” Its a place for animals and illegals.
We used to use the place for pot-luck sing alongs
I sure wouldn’t go there these days. For those from America, they have President Obama to protect them. How people can have PR wars to avoid dealing with this very serious problem is something I just don’t get.
What a very sad state of affairs.
Sorry for being “off-subject”, but there is an interesting read at “expatica.com”.
One wonders if Grenoble is the next step up from Toronto?
Mel, off topic goes in Reader Tips. And please provide links that are more specific than that. I nearly nuked you as a spammer.
So brown folks make trash while escaping an untenable life trying to have the American dream. They seek nasty unsavery types to help them. Who would have think it? The demonization of these folks in this anti immigration propaganda would be funny if they weren’t so sincere.
Legalize free movement of people, get rid of the taxpayer funded supports for the ones that manage to succeed to get across. Americans should not have to pay for it. Governments are consistently giving these folks mixed messages by talking out of both sides of their behinds. Don’t come here but if you make it we will give you a life style that you can only dream of elsewhere. Obama and previous PTB have set up this situation, they need to clean it up by sticking to one position or an other. This sort of mixed messaging breeds this sort of activity and the resentment to wards these people for having to support them in one fashion or another once they get to the US.
Why would Obama want to stop this inflow of millions future democrat voters.
Rhetorical question of course.
When one of the most basic and necessary functions which a sovereign state must carry out is not enforced, it is obvious that the politically powerful, the wealthy, the corrupt, within it, and foreign adversary interests without it all find the situation to their advantage.
Glenn Beck called ignoring border security the enabling of “a form of modern slavery”.
Side note: Euronews on cable has been interviewing and giving the filthy degenerate Roman Polanski the royal treatment this morning.
Kate, let me fix that headline for you:
“On The Trail with Future Democratic Voters”
This is the legacy of the SPLC.
Wow.. I think I’d be tempted to start booby -trapping all those trails. Make ’em real nervous
There is a lot of things coming together for border security. If you ignore the effect of the guns, drugs,kidnapping and murders.
I read a paper that stated most US kids under 24 have never had a job. Never. So while illegals may be doing work Americans won’t do it is not like American kids have a choice. Meanwhile they are in higher education which somehow makes them not likely to choose jobs Americans won’t do. In other words the useless class. Not hard for me to pick a winner in the border debate.
Great idea, Grey Lady — let’s make a class-based society in which the untouchables have no right to vote and are barely functional in all but the most menial of tasks. What could go wrong?
speedy – it’s a myth that Mexicans (or other illegals) are only doing the jobs that Americans won’t do. Such an exoneration of the FACT that these illegals are coming..ahh..illegally..also ignores that Americans can, have, and will do these unskilled jobs.
Skilled Americans won’t do unskilled jobs if they can help it and the majority of Americans are skilled. Those who aren’t, will do those very same jobs of picking vegetables, litter, etc.
But, since American workers are obliged to pay taxes deducted from their salaries..to pay for hospitals, schools, roads, etc…all of which the illegals use extensively without paying..then, the American worker costs the employer more..up front. In the long run it costs the employer more to hire illegals, since it’s only US taxpayers who support the public services used by those illegals.
Mexico refuses to educate its massive lower class; it keeps them unskilled. Then, it also refuses to set up an economic infrastructure to employ these people. So, no schools, no work, no medical care for Mexico’s lowest class. Saves a LOT of Mexican money. Instead, Mexico deliberately enables them to move, illegally, to the US and work there. In return, these people send billions, yes, billions, back to support their relatives in Mexico. Wow – the Mexican govt doesn’t have to support the relatives, doesn’t have to provide schools, no jobs, no hospitals, nothing. It’s all done by the US taxpayer. Neat tactic.
The grey lady – I’m not sure about your post which is filled with contradictions. What taxpayer support for illegals? Do you mean their use of hospitals as general care clinics, their use of schools for their kids (no schools in Mexico!), their use of all other services?
Legalize free movement of people? There goes the sovereignty of the nation-state. All of Central America, and Africa would zoom into the US. Or heck, they’d move into Canada. What’s your point?
Why are Mexicans even considered a minority? They are just the descendants of the Spanish settlers that came to North America about the same time as we did and took Mexico as their own country. (mostly wiping out the original people) Most of Central America and South America are also Spanish countries. Doesn’t seem like a minority that needs to be given special treatment and tip toed around.
“As of 2010, 329 to 358 million people speak Spanish as a native language and a total of 417 million people speak it worldwide. It is the second most natively spoken language in the world, after Mandarin Chinese.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language
The Grey lady
Those sentiments are misplaced when these migrants include a critical mass of hardened criminals who are not a benigh source of labour.
These are not similar to those who in times past crossed the Berlin Wall.
With high unemployment and an economy in recession, the USA cannot absorb this unregulated immigration.
Then there is the alarming fact that the general border area, US TERRITORY, has become a no-go area of lawless anarchy. Phoenix/Tucson have become the kidnapping capital of the US.
Add to this the political reality that this situation is aided and abetted by the partisan administration as leverage to enact amnesty for illegals—-instant democrat voters.
The foundation of an nation is secure borders and the foundation of any republic/democracy is secure and fair elections.
All of this is a powerful causis belli for a devastating civil war. There is nothing civil about a civil war.
America is doomed.
Well, donning my libertarian hat, there is something to Grey Lady’s comment about legalizing the free movements of peoples; but as she suggests this could only be feasible in a no-state-welfare society. But what about terrorism? What that maybe not exist in such a world?
With reference to Yukon Gold’s comment, I confess to occassionally day-dreaming of the class-based society he warns about. If welfare and social services can’t be ended, would it be possible to base them on some kind of cumulative income record such that newcomers would not be able to enjoy ANY state-financed social services?
I did say “day-dreaming”. It’s not do-able is it?
Sgt Lejaune is certainly correct when he says the politically powerful, the wealthy, the corrupt, within it, and foreign adversary interests without it all find the situation to their advantage.
This is ALL you really need to know:
The STATE sees more advantage than disadvantage in this situation which is why it will persist no matter what party is in control.
Sneak in and remake America. You know, kinda like how the Liberal Party was overtaken by Dippers, including all the garbage, bahahahaha!
“feasible in a no-state-welfare society” … like Somalia.
ET: I agree with most of what you say about Mexico’s strategy, BUT I remain unsure about your contention that these low level jobs will be done by Americans. I won’t outright disagree with you, but I’m very unsure.
Clearly, if you could drill down to the root of this problem, you would most likely find that it’s a viper’s nest of unintended consequences from government interventions, however well-intended.
The minimum wage is one of these. A sop to unions and a awesome creator of joblessness and despair.
True, Grey Lady’s post contained apparent contradictions, but yours also contains a fallacy. In a truly free market, absent all government intervention in the economy (including all forms of “social services”) we would NOT be over-run by the hordes you describe. We would benefit from a Darwinian survival of the fittest kind of immigration of people coming here with skills, passion, energy, and desire to make it on their own dimes with the help of a spontaneous neighbour support network.
As I had mentioned before my wife’s relatives live in southern Texas and I spoke to them about this situation last night as they were up here for a family wedding.
She said things are really scary in the border states as there are many gangs and non-Mexicans mixed with the flood crossing the border.
She and her grandson pointed rifles on 4 men quietly approaching their house in the early evening last month and ordered them off their property. They said they were looking for the main road, which was right behind them and plainly obvious.
She is of Mexican descent and said times have really changed as she and her mom used to feed workers years ago as they crossed to pick the fields then return to Mexico. Now they are on their way up north. Her son told me they find drugs, normally weed, all the time just dropped on these trails.
Very frightening crisis down there.
me no dhimmi – what contradiction in my post?
Where did I mention the term of ‘free market’? I don’t think I did. And how does the term ‘free market’ also come to mean ‘no social services’?
I do not agree with a large state in the multimillions population without public social services. A multimillion demography cannot rely on ‘a spontaneous neighbour support network’, for that would discriminate rich neighbourhoods from poor ones. It would also inevitably move into ethnic polarities where one group would ignore another group.
Neighbourhood social service systems are only viable in smaller populations – and I mean small, and also, in stable residential areas – but not in societies with populations in the millions and with flexible living arrangements. They certainly continue to exist but cannot deal with the large scale social services of a large population whose members might be living in proximity but are not really long term neighbours with all the emotional connections of such a network.
If the US borders were sealed – and illegals treated as they are in Mexico- as felons and deported – then, this problem would disappear. Mexico would be forced to invest in its lowest class, provide them with schools, hospitals, roads, and employment and not fob them off to the US.
And Americans would work at those jobs. Remember, that in the long run, the paying of cheap wages to illegals actually costs the employer MORE..because his profits are reduced by the higher taxes he and others have to pay to fund the services the Mexicans use but don’t pay for.
But the notion that Americans are ‘too snooty’ to work at these jobs is a myth; it’s a leftist smear job to validate the illegals and insult Americans.
Note to self:
Finish wake up coffee before commenting on SDA.
All I was trying to get across is it seems as if this conflict has been set up on purpose by the PTB. I tend to think that if I was living in some hell hole and I so desperate to risk hiring someone that could just as easily put a bullet in my back then do the actual smuggle. What is the down side of getting in the states? You have educational opportunities, medical care, work, OPPORTUNITIES that you never would have back home. This would be very attractive when, as I said previously the government talks out of both sides of it’s behind. Don’t try to come here but if you do you are all good.
American taxpayers must be very frustrated with having to pay for all these things when the fact is they are subsidizing criminals in their mind. Which according to the law in the US they are.
I am NOT saying that these peoples should not have access to any kind of medical care nor that they shouldn’t be educated to raise their standard of living beyond slave wages. But just look at what the PTB get in return for doing not too dang much about this problem. They have thousands upon thousands of government union benefit leaden employees. What makes sense about having these departments sucking off the tax payer teat when they have completely conflicting goals? It makes no sense to agitate for both sides of a war unless of course you are the arms dealer and it lines your pockets.
And yes I am a Libertarian, but I am one that understands that true freedom will not come in my time. In my estimation there is no way that any form of government is NOT a form of slavery for some of the populace.
The Grey Lady said: “The demonization of these folks in this anti immigration propaganda would be funny if they weren’t so sincere.”
Um, have you ever been to Arizona? Do you, for example, know how long it takes for an established foot trail to disappear back into the desert? Do you know how long it takes to grow a saguaro cactus? If you take a dump in the desert, do you know how long it will sit there before finally breaking down?
The last one I can tell you. I know because I cleaned up the backyard of the house I bought, and there was a lot of really antique dog poo back there. The house had been empty at least 6 months before we bought it. Dog crap can last a year or more, depending on the moisture content of the area and how many ants there are.
Now march 1000 people a month through an area and get an idea how much doodoo they leave behind. Every single one of them will have to take a leak and a dump at least once on the trail.
When they say that illegal foot traffic is destroying Coronado and Organ Pipe national forests, they are not kidding. When they say that illegals are leaving hundreds of tons of garbage in the desert every -month-, they are not kidding.
So much for the Left’s love of nature, eh? Inconvenient, so under the bus goes Gaia.
But did you know that garbage and feces are not the only thing illegals are leaving in the desert? Nope.
phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-arizona-passed-that-racist-law.html
They are leaving their corpses in the desert, by the dozens, as they shuffle off this mortal coil due to heat, hardship and sometimes lead poisoning.
Like, from an AK47 kinda lead poisoning. If you accidentally come across some of those drug mules while playing desert racer in your dune buggy, they will shoot you in the head and take your buggy. Multiple incidents in the recent past indicate they will shoot ranchers, off roaders, cops, whoever p1sses them off. Oh yeah, not all of those corpses are adult males, get my drift?
So much for the Left’s love of their fellow man, eh? Getting kinda crowded under the bus there.
So bottom line Grey Lady, do you want to know why this is all going on and accelerating right now? Border Patrol has been -ordered- to let the nice brown people pass. Do you want to know why those orders are given? Because of -you-. The Obama regime and the Bush regime AND the Clinton regime all let this go on to keep anti-racists like you happy. Nice, peace-loving people like yourself are getting little kids killed by thirst in the desert.
But I’m a racist. Right?
D’oh, I just noticed your clarification, Grey Lady.
Belay that bit about you being a Liberal. I lived down there and I love the state as a second home, people messing with it crank me off.
Me No Dhimmi:
In a truly free market, absent all government intervention in the economy (including all forms of “social services”) we would NOT be over-run by the hordes you describe. We would benefit from a Darwinian survival of the fittest kind of immigration of people coming here with skills, passion, energy, and desire to make it on their own dimes with the help of a spontaneous neighbour support network.
Yes exactly and imagine what could be accomplished by those “social agencies” of they were not subsidized by tax payers, but did the same work on donations by those who cared about the mission instead of a benefit leaden career opportunities their concern affords them now? I wonder how many would still be so compassionate/passionate about their cause.
My 11 and 13 yo kids armed with two rifles can plug one trail as long as I would agree to deliver cranberry juice and sandwiches. Obviously US can’t.
ET: All I meant to point out is that your supposition that unlimited hordes would come is fallacious; that in a truly free market (I know, it’s a utopian view) only those would come who would be able and willing, with neighbour/community network support, to MAKE IT.
“Social services” do not NEED to be provided by the STATE. They can, and would be far better provided in my view, in the contract-based market economy. Including schools, hospitals, police (private security agencies), ah hell, even the courts. Roads (there wouldn’t be any where there didn’t need to be), Fire.
That’s where I am now: I don’t think the STATE does ANYTHING well. Anything.
[see G20, Caledonia, the free-as-a bird muslim mother child-murderer, free speech persecution, hostile alien colonizing immigration, stupid pointless war-making, the debasement and destruction of money, subsidized time-wasting mismatched university educations, etc. etc. etc.].
ET I was not suggesting illegals only do the work Americans won’t do but I read American youth can’t compete and neither can the older worker. Part of the unemployment problem is exacerbated by immigration. If I were an American I would want my kid to do any job they could get. I learned a lot from working construction and a meat packing plant. One was I didn’t want to work in a meat packing plant but it paid the rent.
grey lady and me no dhimmi – I disagree with your rejection of the state, just as I disagree with grey lady’s further mechanical Darwinism (which doesn’t operate, as such, even in the biological realm).
A community is not just a neighbourhood, but, if it’s the ONLY social service network – this is found ONLY in small populations. Stable populations with families living there for generations. They don’t network with newcomers – as small village newcomers always find out, even after living in that village for 20 years!
In a large urban, industrial society, made up of nuclear families (not extended families with networks existing there for generations), the social services must pass to the secular state rather than kinship/family/neighbours.
Now, whether these social services are provided by contracted-out to private services vs public workers…is quite another question. Your original post emphasized NO state social services (public or private contracts) and suggested that neighbours would suffice. I disagreed.
With regard to this new issue, of private vs public workers – yes, I’d go for the private contract because it operates on the market and must be accountable. My point is that the urban dweller can’t count on his neighbours for assistance; it has to be the city..who provide the fire, police, ambulance, and yes, education, roads, regulations on food products (no lead in the milk!)..and so on.
As for my view that ‘unlimited hordes’ would come with an open border, I’ll stand by that view. If we have a state that has schools, medical care, employment opportunities etc (even if we pay for this ourselves) vs one that doesn’t provide such amenities..then, the hordes will come. I haven’t noticed illegals crossing from the US to Mexico, or into Cuba, or into any states in C. America.
grey lady – again, I admit I find your posts confusing; perhaps I’m simply unused to reading them. But I don’t agree with any Darwinian notion that ‘only the fittest would come’ and survive. We’d have to define ‘fittest’; we’d have to compare different towns (those that have easy weather; those that have jobs; that have housing; and those people who can fit in…). Not easy.
The northern US border with Canada is closely monitored with movement sensors, multiple cameras and it isn’t easy to cross over from SW BC into the US undetected. I guess the dangers of someone going south with a duffel bag full of BC Bud far outweigh the dangers of a few Mexicans wandering north.
It would be a simple matter to deploy the US military along the Arizona border with Mexico to stop to flow of Mexican invaders. That the US government hasn’t done this is very curious; perhaps insufficient numbers of people are expected to vote for the Democrats this fall.
Can Canadian citizens sneak across the Canada-US border, make their way to Arizona and work under the table? Would they be granted amnesty? Why should only one group be allowed to break the law?
Evil creeping into a hurt Land, to denude it as they have their own.
Seems to me that this whole argument about what to do recalls the simple question “What part of ILLEGAL is it that you don’t understand?”
On the other hand …. Arizona real estate prices are continuing to slide……
If the states rights are enforced this would be an excellent opportunity to clean up.
Osumashi Kinyobe asks: “Can Canadian citizens sneak across the Canada-US border, make their way to Arizona and work under the table?”
Nope. Been there, got the t-shirt. Unless they look kinda brown, then they’ve got a chance. Jamaicans get a free pass and food stamps. This comment would be funnier if it wasn’t true.
“Would they be granted amnesty?”
Not a chance. Unless they are North American Indians or Jamaicans. Then, probably yes.
Leftist trolls please note, the above racist comments concern the actions of US federal officials, not Indians or Jamaicans.
Truth is there’s a -hell- of a lot more security on the border in Niagara Falls NY than there is in the whole frickin’ state of Arizona. That’s because nobody tries to sneak across from Canada to the USA. Insane, right?
The one place along the Canadian border with -less- security is the Kanawake Indian reserve. Where they don’t use drug mules to move the dope, they use 18 wheelers. Also not much security on the St. Lawrence river right at the reserve, plenty smokes and booze and guns and etc. moving back and forth there every night. Guys are puling down six figures a year, tax free, with an aluminum boat and a ten horse motor.
Phantom:
Oh yeah, not all of those corpses are adult males, get my drift?
Well, maybe. Then again, maybe not. Please make it clear.
Adult males contrasted with female children????
Child prostitution???
Also, any foul play/murders or are these just heat exposure/thirst issues??
In short, the Mexicans are in contol of the Americans. I recall the illegal Cubans coming into Florida. There is but one way to stop illegal aliens, that is a gun.
Thanks Obama.
Phantom, I was being completely facetious.
My point was that there is a law for EVERYONE and it should apply to everyone. If I had pulled what illegal immigrants pulled, I’d be sent packing in minutes. If people want it, they can get in line like everyone else.
The situation isn’t much better here in Canada, and the polyglot babel one hears on the SkyTrain and malls etc., in Vancouver, I believe is starting to worry those Chinese who never bothered to learn English. It is a toss up of what one hears most; Korean, some form of Hispanic, Arabic, or what; but a country that can’t communicate is bound to fail and I have no intention of learning their language. It is amazing how many so-called Canadians are incapable of speaking or writing Shakespeare’s language, and French is doomed anyway.
Osumashi Kinyobe: Actually there was a famous (to me anyway) Canadian illegal immigrant in Arizona in the early 60’s – Stompin Tom Connors. If you read the first volume of his autobiography – which is great – he tells a great story about this. I’ll do a quick synopsis (if that’s possible):
Tom was having a hard time getting work (and he was not a saint) and he knew people liked to hear him entertain them. He was born in New Brunswick and his idol was Hank Snow (also from there). He figured that if he could meet Hank, and sing him some songs, he might be able to make it as a country singer/song writer and of course Hank was one of his own – a NB version of an ‘I’s the B’y’ guy. Tom couldn’t get into the US legally. Tom saved up some money hustling in TO around Queen and Parliament and decided to sneak into the US and head for Nashville. Tom made it to Niagara Falls and (get this) climbed across the underside of the Rainbow Bridge (and lived), hopped some big fences without being seen (with his guitar) and made it to the grey hound station in NF,NY and grabbed a bus for Nashville. In Nashville he found out which mansion Hank lived in and grabbed a local bus to get him close. He jumped onto the bus and went straight to the back. Everyone started staring at him, they were all black, they told him that white guys are supposed to sit at the front. Tom goes what the f*ck is this, because in Canada everyone wants to sit at the back. He made it to Hank’s mansion, he was impressed, Hank actually answered the door. Hank, who probably saw lots of this, told Tom and his guitar to f*ck off and die. Tom was devastated, because here’s a guy singing about country stuff but in reality he is no longer an ‘I’s the B’y’ guy, he is now a rich American (if you ever get a chance to visit the Country Music Hall of Fame – check out the big Hank Snow display). Stompin Tom ran out of money and had to hit the streets – play guitar on corners, sleep in alleys, do a shift or two as a cook or bus boy, etc. He heard there were jobs in Texas and Arizona. He hitched his way down to Arizona. He starts getting jobs in Arizona, for ranchers, ditch digging and stuff like that and things start looking good, he stays away from fights, hard drinking (he’s an alchy so this is tough), womanizing, etc. He doesn’t want to get caught until he’s got some money. Obviously he is a white guy, but he still sticks out like a sore thumb, not only because he’s a big guy and looks like he’s been in a lot of fights, but because he has the born in NB raised in PEI cultural thing happening. Someone doesn’t like him and squeals to the cops. Tom gets arrested and he is put in prison for something like 3 months. They decide to deport him and ship him in cuffs back to Canada. Tom wants to get back anyway, he’s had a rough time but at least he got room and board in Arizona and a free trip back to the Northland. Tom became extremely proud to be Canadian, he somehow made it to Timmins and to the Maple Leaf Hotel and basically played for drinks. Timmins was growing, not only because of the gold mining, but other mining, and timber. It was getting established and all the scalliwags from Quebec and the east coast were settling down. He played every night for over 3 months and snuck down to TO to cut a single – and the rest is history.
Brent Weston said: “Well, maybe. Then again, maybe not. Please make it clear.”
Yes Brent, women and children are being found dead in the desert, left at the side of the trail like dogs. In considerable numbers, I might add.
Yes, people are being shot by drug gangs in the desert and left to shrivel. I don’t have an example of a child being shot and left yet, Mexicans are Catholics so perhaps the depravity hasn’t sunk to quite that level yet.
Yes, Arizona civilians are being killed on their own property out in the boonies, and cops are also being shot. No cops have died yet that I know of, that’s more due to crappy Mexican marksmanship and dumb luck than anything else.
This article demonstrates who these Mexican drug guys are and what they’re about: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.4e398c464a3cc2b9ad0e1f39a8aa0c73.3f1&show_article=1
Short version, drug punks showed up at a party and aired the place out. 200 empty casings found, 17 dead on scene, more to expire later no doubt. “Police said they have not identified the shooters nor do they have a motive for the crime.” Sure.
When these gangs come across each other in the Arizona desert, they commonly have a firefight. They also kidnap each other in Phoenix on a weekly basis.
All with the implicit blessing of Washington Democrats. Eric Holder’s lawsuit indicates the cartels may actually have -active cooperation- from Washington.
I really don’t think people generally understand the gravity of this situation. This is civil war level brinksmanship, it could turn into Arizona taking over the international border and expelling federal employees from the state, perhaps chucking them in jail. Some of them certainly deserve to be in jail, for sheer dereliction of duty and following illegal orders.
They just passed a no-license concealed carry law, they are the first state to do that to the best of my knowledge. That’s serious business, as in-your-face a repudiation of blue state Liberalism as they could come up with.
I’m very serious about my prediction of civilians taking up arms and repelling the Mexicans with or without state/federal approval. If the feds don’t get a grip on the cartel invasion, people are going to start doing it vigilante style. All its going to take is the right atrocity inside Arizona, and that’ll be all she wrote.
kaboom.
Osumashi said: “Phantom, I was being completely facetious.”
I know you were, sorry if I seem harsh. The subject makes me cranky, not you.
Pardon me, I feel another rant coming on.
The truth of the two-tier, systematic bias in the US immigration system is SO stark and SO abusive though,I can’t really express it to you. I put up with their bullsh1t for ten long years. It was a constant source of fear and incredulous outrage in my life for far too long a time. Kafka didn’t even come -close- to capturing the reality of the experience. Its fully Soviet. Aaron could probably describe it, he sounds like a guy who’s seen that elephant.
The Democrats appear to me to be on glide path for getting that level of intrusion and control over -all- Americans, not just stupid Canadian immigrants like me who form orderly lines and fill out all the forms and pay all the fees and follow all the rules because that’s how us Canadians are. If Obama’s gang manage to survive November, you will see internal passports and external travel permits in the USA.
Or guys hanging from light poles in Washington. Toss-up really. Sounds paranoid, but that’s my opinion of where this is going.
I’m hoping Americans avoid the nightmare with a legit election in November. I’d by far rather be proven paranoid than be right about this stuff.
Thanks, Phantom.
cconn – “..and the rest is history” Thank God!
“They just passed a no-license concealed carry law, they are the first state to do that to the best of my knowledge.”
I believe this is also the case in Alaska and Vermont.