Brig.-Gen. Ménard: How low can the Toronto Star go?/Update: Michael Yon gets his General?/US command for Task Force Kandahar?
Guilt by association, flip all your blinking biscuits, hurl to the stinking max, low…
Brig.-Gen. Ménard: How low can the Toronto Star go?/Update: Michael Yon gets his General?/US command for Task Force Kandahar?
Guilt by association, flip all your blinking biscuits, hurl to the stinking max, low…
WOW……that is low …so you have nothing worth writting about so resort to tha usual anti military antihuman ,anti marrige campaign….i just don’t get it …forget about all of the good progress being made in afgstn ,and iraq …let’s expose a military soldier’s short comming’s ….how gay is that!!!
Paul in calgary
Okay…Menard screwed up with his weapon…I’da busted him bigtime. Like what’s a General doing with a round in the tube???
But this other bit? These same critics are game to give Slick Willie (Clinton) a pass.
These are soldiers…they are not nuns and monks. Not that I give him a pass. There are regs and moral to consider but then there is the need to have competant leadership. There is a many more discreet ways of administering this stuff.
During WW2 IKE (Eisenhower) had a “relationship” with his driver…but then those were more enlightened times when the commies were east of the ELBE not in the white-house, Congress and the House of Commons (we thought so anyway).
Accidental discharges.
Serious business, serious consequences.
Results come with the rank & territory although I feel sorry for him . . . his career is over.
And he has a family to face now.
Sasquatch: but then those were more enlightened times when the commies were east of the ELBE not in the white-house, Congress and the House of Commons (we thought so anyway
What the heck does that have to do with a story concerning the Canadian commander caught possibly flagranti delicto?
Eisenhower’s driver said they had a sexual relationship. A rumour. A chance to make not only money but a place for herself in history.
Commies blamed for sexual misbehaviour among the military is a new one, Sasq. Must be a slow day.
This is why, for ageses, militaries have not allowed women in combat operations (or serving on ships, especially in submarines): because things like this happen, and can have serious impact on a unit’s fighting efficiency. Ditto for gays in the military.
But you’d hear these same anti-military liberals shrieking like schoolgirls if you advocated that.
Mhb23re
mhb, you’re being unreasonable man. Liberals can’t be held to account for the results of their touchy-feely social justice policies.
Its the intentions that count.
There’s a way to deal with the 5th column.
Make sure their route signs lead off of a cliff..
mhb,
I was ‘afraid’ to say that, but you are 100% on track.
Human nature being what it is, the military will never be able to regulate sex.
Except by the separation of sexes.
This particular Jezebel escapes and a proud career soldier’s life is ruined, as is his family’s. He’ll never have another proud moment in his life.
When female naval personnel begin serving in subs, I want to be a tiny dustmite to watch the bed hopping that begins on day 3.
Yeah like their “People’s” armies are led by General St. Francis!
Now let’s see. How to win a war? Rules of engagement that make the enemy impossible to name let alone defeat. Discredit your side at every opportunity. Show more concern for the enemy’s comfort than the lives of your own troops. Only count and announce your own dead and have the national news hit the government over the head with each lost “child”. Anything else?
Negative leadership. Totally unacceptable. No, women in the combat zone isn’t the problem, it’s peckerheads like Menard who are.
This idiot turned himself into a casualty. Nice move nimrod. So has his partner. But, he in the position of authority is, by far, more culpable.
Is the fool married? If so, I pity his wife.
Humans are humans. He must be disciplined but there is no need to gloat.
When female naval personnel begin serving in subs, I want to be a tiny dustmite to watch the bed hopping that begins on day 3.
~gellen
There isn’t enough room in the racks sub crews sleep in to have sex in one of them.
The only privacy on a submarine would be the Captain’s quarters and the female’s toilet/shower.
Call the enemy “bold” and “daring”, Thomas_L.
Being an alpha male has never been easy. Just ask Julius Caesar.
Oz, I’m aware of that.
But maybe you didn’t see the beautiful blonde female U.S. Navy officer who can’t wait until they begin serving on subs next year. She’s full of anticipation, and a lot else.
God help the men, unless it’s going to be an all-woman crew.
I don’t care any more.
All I know is I am sick of good Canadian boys dying to defend a bunch of corrupt Afghan Muslims.
Pull them out and lets go after those bastards in Iran.
What was Yon’s beef with Menard? And when did Yon become a pariah? I haven’t read him for awhile but seems like quite a few people are not happy with him.
What the heck is this thread about? I’ve looked the links and a few descendants but the only salient item I see is the juxtaposition of Menard with Williams. What am I missing?
Just so there’s clarity, I have know idea who pretender “Skip” is…
glasnost:
Maybe Michael Yon taking credit. From the link:
Brigadier General Daniel Menard was fired from command in Afghanistan.
This fight was expensive for me in many ways, but I got him.
Getting this man fired was worth the fight and the costs.
(Not long ago we were encouraged to send this man donations to keep up his good work. Glad I couldn’t spare a dime.)
Was Menard looking for a way out of service, a person in such a high rank should know the rules and they apply to him as well as his underlings?
Reporter Matthew Fisher is top notch, anything he reports on from Afghanistan can be taken to the bank as facts. He’s on the side of our soldiers.
Why is Williams being compared here, his behaviour was sick, he’s been accused of killing women. It shows how quickly things can get off the rails. It appears so many media people gloat and take great glee in getting something on the military who are fighting and DYING to keep them safe.
gellen at May 30, 2010 3:38 PM
some adivce
read…read…read
Yom ferretted out the fact that Menard screwed up on the bridge detail
mhb is right. I have no problem with women in the military, but as long a human nature in all its’ aspects is what it is, women should not be in a front line situation and all of Afghanistan is a combat zone, even Kandahar. Even then situations develop as in Eisenhower’s case.
If Menard broke the rules of engagement, he should be punished.
Sasquatch is also right in that the “socialization” of the military has lead directly to an increase in this sort of temptation.
However the linking of this unfortunate incident by the Toronto Star with Col. Williams is despicable, but not unexpected. It is the way the Red Star is hardwired, as Thomas_L suggests.
Who is Michael Yon? Anyway, I am glad I sent him no money. By his own admission it sounds like he set out to get even with Menard for some reason.
Re.: Menard. Ever hear of PTSD? It’s common in the military. Ask anyone who has been there. And the stress isn’t always the result of combat. It can come from being thrown into a role one just isn’t properly mentally prepared/qualified for.
The military is one branch of government that plays by a different set of rules, and must come under different regulations.
We train these people for one purpose: to fight, and – yes – kill to protect our country. We send these people in harm’s way to safeguard our freedom and liberty; not for the idiotic notions of “diversity and tolerance” as espoused by a laughably inappropriate GG.
This is why we have a military: it is not meant to be some social experiment in gender equality or to show how progressively “tolerant” and “inclusive” we are. Bad enough that physical requirements are cast aside to allow featherweight femmes and minorities participate, and real lives are placed in jeopardy because of this.
When this lunacy extends to front line units, then those units’ fighting efficiency is endangered. Think of the extra effort ther US army went through to rescue Jessica Lynch, some years back. Would these units be placed in similar jeopardy had Lynch been a man? I think not. How many commanders would be less eager to send women into battle when capture could mean torture, rape or worse? This impairs command effectiveness.
When women in frontline units or navy vessels become pregnant they must be removed from theater operations for obvious reasons. This also impairs military effectiveness.
“Yes, but women have a right to fight alongside men as equals” the Left would say.
No, actually; they don’t.
mhb23re at gmail d0t calm
Another report on the situation, here:
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=3090092
gellen,
Nuclear submarines, especially the strategic ones(Trident Class), are supposed to be able to stay submerged for 2+ years in event of a Nuclear War.
Imagine having a crew of a couple hundred men and less than 10 women or so.(or at least a decided minority even in Canada with the government pulling every string and pushing every button woman are less than 10% of the forces without focusing on the combat arms)
The men get tired of the video games, DVDs and CDs pretty fast after even 6 months at sea, you can guess what happens if they’re at sea for a year.
Weird how no one has pointed out that once again the 22s were involved. A few years ago the 22s were labeled as the spoiled regiment. Don’t know if it is a valid criticism or not.
Keep yer trousers zipped, and your weapon on safety unless you mean to really use it.
Going off “half-cocked” in theatre, is not the recommended procedure.
Never lose your sense of humour either, its a life saver.
I don’t think the Canadian public are ready to leap to the conclusion that the military in ‘general’ are Williams style purloined panty sniffers or Menard style ravishers of females.
It would be a bit of a stretch to cast the CF theme song as that of ‘rape, pillage, and plunder’ Viking style.
More than likely, these are isolated incidents of rakish philanderers run amok. Given that our ‘tolerant society’ almost idolizes those that cut conquest marks on their bedposts; one shouldn’t be too surprised at the odd undisciplined military incident.
As I recall some of the stories some of my former US Navy contacts told of shore patrol involving hauling sailors out of the local ‘cat house’. Then informing the female who wanted to hitch a ride on the destroyer that the bottle of whiskey was not really intended as the ‘bride price’…
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
I say again . .
Accidental Discharges are serious business in the military.
Very serious.
Regardless of the weapon.
Ya break the rules, ya pay the piper.
“March the guilty bastard in . . ”
(for those who understand)
“Keep yer trousers zipped, and your weapon on safety unless you mean to really use it.”
Good advice anytime and especially in this day and age.
The cheap shot at Menard is nothing new at the Red Star and actually, I think it is more of a journalistic filler than a leftoid attack. Kind of how they always bring up other crashes when an aircraft augers in, even if the only thing common is the type of plane( or airline or day of the week). “The history of aircraft crashes in North Carolina can be traced back to the Wright Brothers…”
My opinion of Yon has gone down a hell of a lot in the past while, he seems to have a hate on for anything Canadian. Probably has nothing to do with his run in with Canada Customs a while back…
To those who haven’t bothered to dig further –
Yon states on his Facebook page that “…Some of the journalists are unaware of the bombing at the Tarnak River Bridge. It was this bombing that focused my attention on Brigadier General Daniel Menard. His incompetence in allowing the bridge to be blown up, and then his cover up are what grabbed me. The negligent discharge with his weapon and distracting sexual relations were relatively trivial. It was The Bridge and the cover up. He should have been fired for the bridge, and fired again for the cover…”
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-bridge.htm
GYM. I agree – read, read, read.
Go to The Torch this date and read Matthew Fisher.
Wednesday, March 03, 2010
“Military rebuffs blogger’s call for top Canadian general to be fired”
A blogosphere tempest. From Matthew Fisher of Canwest News
Oz,
US military have been able to remove their pregnant warriors on land, but if a pregnancy lasts 9 months and the sub is at sea 12 months, let’s hope it takes 3 months for the first one to get pregnant.
And who said Menard is a “ravisher of women”? One woman does not a ravisher make, unless Yon knows more. The female soldier could have been a temptress and equally to blame. Actually, if he is supposed to keep his zipper shut, then the advice passed onto girls for centuries holds just as true: keep your legs closed.
Joe: about the 22’s: “Don’t know if it is a valid criticism or not.” Then why repeat it?
“Being an alpha male has never been easy. Just ask Julius Caesar.”
Julius Caesar, of course, was a complete psychopathic monster–not just ‘an alpha male.’
It is too easy to equate success with virtue.
Glorification of power is something we should guard against.
Ladies & gents,
The vast bulk of the Canadian Army considers Micheal Yon to be a self-promoting douchebag of the first order, one who by the way never dared do the real gut-check and patrol with the Canadians in the Panjwai district – where the real nasty COIN fighting is happening. BGen Ménard may well be guilty of whatever he’s being accused of, but it ain’t Yon who’s won whatever that idiot thinks he’s won. Wait for the facts, and let Yon and his bleating coterie slap themselves on the shoulder. Yon, dude… get a life – you don’t know squat about soldiering – at best you know how to squat over a piece of paper and produce your drivel…… I’ll give you a smidgen of respect once you report from a foot patrol in the Panjwai with the RCR, the PPCLI or the R22eR…. what is that you say? The Canadians don’t want you as an embed? Shows their intelligence, doesn’t it! Yellow so-called journalists should stay on the safe patrol routes.
Well gellen since there have been two 22nd senior officers removed from Afghanistan before their tour was complete and one of the criticisms of the 22nd was that they were the favoured regiment under the Liberals. Since one of the criticisms was that their officer corp could do no wrong in the eyes of the Liberals, could this incident in part be the result of not cleaning up the officer corp earlier or was this the simple indiscretion of a lonely man far away from wife and kids?
The rules say if you ND, you are charged. If you fraternize overseas, you are sent home. The rules apply to everyone.
Pretty open and shut case I think.
The rumble I got was the 22nd was openly courted by Parizeau for his hoped for country, for the Quebec Army…and that the LIBRANOs overcompensated by spoiling them….
However as I commented earlier…these are not nuns and monks….this must have been concentual or the charges would be different—it does take two to tango.
A passage comes to mind, written by Teddy Roosevelt, back when the print media dominated( later attributed to JFK because he recited it without attribution) :
“It’s not the critic that counts, nor how the strong man stumbled and fell. The credit goes to the man who is actually in the arena, his face marred by dust and blood and sweat….who strives unending and comes short again and again, and if he fails, he fails while daring greatly…for he will never be one of those cold, timid souls who knows neither victory no defeat.”
In today’s military, for an Alpha male to make it to General would really surprise me. I would think it’d be someone who knows how to game the system and not get in trouble..how big is NDHQ? You want Alpha Males, go look in the battalions.
VP
Texas Canuck — Yon had a run-in with U.S. Customs, not Canadian.
Michael Yon detained by Customs at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, released by Port police
Many years ago I recall the standing joke in the Canadian Anglo-militarysphere was that the reason that the US military had a problem with Blacks being promoted beyond their capabilities and we had the same problem with Francophones was that the Americans had first choice.I know first hand of many cases of Fr promotions of individuals who were at or very close to the bottom of the list to maintain the “non existent” quota, much to the chagrin of competent Francophones. Since Trudeau, affirmative action has been alive and well in Canuckistan.
What if Menard had been sleeping with a guy? Much of the reaction would be different. This rule prevents all exchange of bodily fluids on land, see and air.
What if Menard had been sleeping with a guy? Much of the reaction would be different. This rule prevents all exchange of bodily fluids on land, see and air.
“However the linking of this unfortunate incident by the Toronto Star with Col. Williams is despicable, but not unexpected. It is the way the Red Star is hardwired, as Thomas_L suggests.”
Ain’t just the “Red Star.” Apparently the National Post is hardwired that way too:
“Told of Brig.-Gen. Menard’s dismissal and alleged misconduct Sunday morning at Kandahar Airfield moments after leaving his sleep tent to grab a shower, a soldier of junior rank shook his head in disgust and said, “First Col. Williams and now Gen. Menard. What is the public to think?”
“The soldier was referring to Col. Russell Williams, former commander of Canadian Forces Base Trenton, who was charged in January with two counts of first-degree murder in the sex slayings of two Ontario women. One of the victims was an enlisted woman under his command.”
“Michael Yon – Sweeping statements on race/religion rarely withstand reality. An American is probably (far) safer in the United Arab Emirates than in Florida.”
Michael Yon
“..a soldier of junior rank shook his head in disgust and said, “First Col. Williams and now Gen. Menard. What is the public to think?””
And everyone who believes that, raise your hand;
I have a dunce cap waiting.
As a Major herself, his wife will be handling it a bit differently than a civilian wife. I’d have met him at the airport with a crowbar in hand, but she’ll be better disciplined.
Joe – re the 22: I was thinking of their WWII history. The problem could be that children are graduating from RMC. (Ever seen the classes in person?)
More Michael Yon: “normal people don’t carry guns in the UAE. (Not to my knowledge.) UAE is peaceful and you are safe to travel there alone. If you are American, you can get your visa on arrival at the clean/friendly/fast airport. Many Americans still seem to think that all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are Arabs. Indonesia is a huge democracy and mostly Muslim. USA is not the prime target of Muslims. (But definitely is prime target of SOME Muslims.) If Americans were prime targets of Muslims I would have been dead years ago. I often travel alone surrounded by nothing but Muslims. (Or sometimes Buddhists or Hindus or others.) Most people are far more focused on their own lives and don’t care what we are doing.”