An independent veterinarian has ruled Brittany and Rambo are not pitbulls, which means after 97 days in the pound, the two dogs are finally home.
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Brittany and Rambo were seized from separate homes Jan. 13.
There had been no complaints of running at large, aggression or biting. Brittany was seized when an Animal Control Officer went to the Branco home to renew a dog licence for Tyson and spotted her.
The Brancos complained that the city seized Brittany with the help of Peel Regional Police, but without a warrant. City officials maintained there was “exigent” circumstances surrounding the seizure of Brittany, giving them the right to seize without a warrant, but would not elaborate.
Still a success: Since the Dog Owners Liability Act was enacted in 2005, pit bulls have killed fewer Ontarians than former attorney general Michael Bryant.
sue the city, sue the animal control officers, sue the AG’s office. Upon winning, insist that as part of the settlement, the animal control officers have to wear a dunce cap and a sign indicating “potentially dangerous stupidity”. One glance at the photo tells you the dog isn’t anywhere close to being a pit bull.
Kate, Have you ever been bitten by a dog? I mean you’re jogging down a public street and one minute these big dogs are behind a fence barking their heads off and the next minute one of them has sunk his fangs into your butt. Major bruising and puncture wounds. That kind of dog bite?
You will quickly learn when you go to animal control that the ‘system’ is on the side of the dog. Your only recourse is to lawyer up. Maybe it is different in Canada.
“Despite the vet’s ruling, as part of the agreement with the city, the owners had to agree to allow the dogs to be designated “potentially dangerous” and they must wear muzzles when out in public.
Branco paid the $50 for a licence and picked up Brittany, but was shocked when he found out he would have to post a big red sign on his fence declaring a “dangerous dog” lives at the home.”
Good thing the owner wasn’t arrested as a suspected sex offender…
“Have you ever been bitten by a dog? I mean you’re jogging down a public street…”
Posted by: cottus at April 20, 2010 10:43 AM
Have you ever been run over by a high ranking politician? I mean you’re cycling down a public street…
If you don’t like my driving stay off the sidewalk.
“Kate, Have you ever been bitten by a dog?”
Yes, when I was about 3 (in the face) and several years ago when I was handling, in a “dispute” with this over who was going to be alpha.
Any questions?
Cottus: “Kate, Have you ever been bitten by a dog?”
Cottus not sure what your point is, running away from a dog is a major engrained genetic signal to most dogs that:
A. you want/need to be chased and this is big fun for dogs
B. If you are a stranger and constantly go by some dogs, you fall into the category that postmen do to dogs: Wierd mysterious strangers intruding on dog-defined turf that need to be warned off the way dogs warn things off, 1. Barking, 2. Biting.
I’ve been chased by dogs but never bitten (Well, there was a Chihuahua.)
In general, I STOP, turn towards them & look at them and say: No! Bad Dog.
Then back away, keeping looking at the dog if they are still angry rather than confused. I’ve found a small bag of dog biscuits reconciles 99% of dogs to me, once they know you, you toss them a biscuit and the yelling stops. You become biscuit & treat guy, not evil runner-away dude.
I’m not saying that dogs should be allowed to run free and chase people & cars, but a bare minimum of dog psychology can prevent bad situations from getting worse.
Telling the owner than mutt is running after people has gotten me good results too, in most cases.
Animal control gets lots of useless calls from people just interested in harassing a neighbour where the dog is neither hazard, nor being unreasonably loud. May explain their sometimes less than responsive attitude.
Kate – it is a no-brainer who is the Alpha female or male on this site! On the matter of gun possession, I hope some of the liberal MP’s hold out for the wishes of their constituents, as they did on Iggy’s abortion suggestions, and I, keeping my pistolas in the bedside table know that the government is not allowed in the bedrooms of the nation. P.E.T. said so!
May explain their sometimes less than responsive attitude.
It may explain it, but it doesn’t excuse it.
Kate, that is a beatiful carpet sculpture you’ve linked. You’ve even included the black nose and pink tongue.
Excellent work!
speaking of old potential lieberal premiers , whatever became of the former attorney general of poor driving habits???? and is this kind of driving worse than Jaffers?
cottus….
..then you ask yourself what would be the best holster for jogging?
People…lay of cottus…he/it(metrosexual?)is just an urbanite who has no idea how to live.The dog bitring him isn’t stupid,him letting himself get bitten is.
A number of animal control officers are wanna be cops with power and control issues. Dennis Rader -the BTK killer was in charge of animal control. He was known as overzealous and strict at his job.
Actually. I am not opposed to either outlawing a particular breed or putting severe restrictions on how they are handled. Some dogs were bred for a specific duty, and it is not the pit bull or the breed itself that is dangerous, it is the owners who insist on letting them off leash to run through the park while I am crossing same, minding my own business. I truly think these owners enjoy seeing the fear in the eyes of such as I, and they tend to be the favourite of drug dealers and other cowards who live their sad little lives in fear of others like themselves.
The Culture of safety concept is that if you ban enough things sooner or later nothing can hurt people – we’ll all be in a huge gulag, but no one will be getting hurt.
“The Brancos complained that the city seized Brittany with the help of Peel Regional Police, but without a warrant. City officials maintained there was “exigent” circumstances surrounding the seizure of Brittany, giving them the right to seize without a warrant, but would not elaborate.”
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Warrant to seize dog
13. (1) Subsection (2) applies where a justice of the peace is satisfied by information on oath or affirmation that there are reasonable grounds to believe that,
(a) a dog is in any building, receptacle or place, including a dwelling house, other than in a pound operated by or on behalf of a municipality, Ontario or a designated body or in a research facility registered under the Animals for Research Act; and
(b) it is not desirable in the interests of public safety that the dog be in that location. 2005, c. 2, s. 1 (16).
Exigent circumstances
14. (1) Where the circumstances in clauses 13 (1) (a) and (b) exist and it would be impracticable to obtain a warrant because of exigent circumstances, a peace officer may exercise any of the powers of a peace officer described in section 13. 2005, c. 2, s. 1 (16).
SOURCE: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90d16_e.htm
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Seizing Property
If the police “seize” your property, it means they have taken your
property. The police can only take your property if they believe
it is somehow connected to a crime.
SOURCE: http://www.bccla.org/arrest/index.html
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“Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”
What an absolute nightmare for these people. It grates me every time I hear about government program designed to create jobs. As this story aptly demonstrates, the only thing government excels at is the destruction of personal wealth.
As much as I hate to say it, these folks who were harassed by the government and out of pocket $20K+ will likely be best off just letting the matter drop. Unless they can find a lawyer who will work on contingency (doubtful), there is no benefit to pursuing legal action. The time and money involved in such an action would cost far more than $20K. They may wish to pursue a small claims action to at least reclaim some of their money.
If we registered our dogs it would be so much easier to confiscate the especially dangerous ones. Isn’t that the point? The RCMP have recently used that very “feature” to demand the forfeiture of two firearms, the Norinco T97 and the High Standard 10B, from legal owners foolish enough to register these guns. The RCMP re-classified these two firearms fro unrestricted and restricted, respectively, to prohibited. People who legally purchased these firearms when the RCMP had them classified as legal firearms are now required to turn them in without compensation.
Can they get pardons like sex offenders? I remember being bitten one time. I was riding a bike and a dog attached itself to my leg. As I shook my leg at it a woman started screaming at me not to kick her dog. I hadn’t kicked her dog but my reply is not fit for print.
This happened here in Sarnia last summer. 2 dogs seized because it was thought they were Pit Bulls.
It took months for the “experts” to determine otherwise. All they accomplished was to thoroughly piss-off the owners.
Welcome to Bantario. Screw the dogs, ban McGuinty.
Purebred dogs are hard wired to exhibit certain traits. Hunting dogs take to hunting with very little training. Working dogs, such as border collies will try to herd livestock, even if they’ve had no trainig. Hound dogs will track just about anything, without any training. Pitbulls will attack anything they perceive as an opponent, usually something close to their own stature, such as small children. It’s in their DNA. The breed should be wiped from the earth, along with several others, that seem to be the favourites of cowardly, aggressive, anti-social, ineffectual people.
One question: What happened to the dog that bit you on the face, when you were 3 years old? If you were my daughter, it would have been shot.
Looking at the legaleze provided by Trevor and reviewing the original circumstances as stated in the news article, for practical purposes in Ontario no warrant is required to seize a dog.
The animal control officer decides on the spot that the situation requires urgent and immediate intervention, calls the cops and they come for your dog. You can do nothing.
The apparatus of the state then works overtime to ensure that you are kept in your place. Even when you win.
Well, not trying to be spickety here, I mean it seriously, but I am training my 6 month old German Sheperd (now at 70 lbs) to eat the first thing that comes thru the door at nite. She did scare the hell out of a couple of LDS bicyclist while doing some recon on the back 40 last weekend. Those boys were showing alot of faith seeing as how my driveway is about 1/2 mile long, winding, up hill, down hill, and there is a large sign up front that specifically states my German Sheperd can make it to the fence in 15 secs, Can You ?
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Trevor,
> and it would be impracticable to obtain a warrant
The key word is AND.
> for practical purposes in Ontario no warrant is required to seize a dog
Unless the dog is in a dwelling-house. Then it’s same as seizing crack cocaine or IED – you need a warrant.
Pitbulls will attack anything they perceive as an opponent, usually something close to their own stature, such as small children. It’s in their DNA.
Posted by: dp at April 20, 2010 2:57 PM
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That’s funny dp,I thought that before they were called “pitbulls” they were called “Nanny Dogs” because they were good with children?
Related — further nanny-state intrusion into our lives. I’m not a smoker, but have long bristled at the anti-smoking jihad in this country which has long-since stepped over all reasonable boundaries. Another case in point:
Butting out on the beaches: Vancouver council passes outdoor smoking ban
at 14:25 on April 20, 2010, EDT.
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VANCOUVER, B.C. – Smoking has long been banned in pubs and restaurants, in airplanes and workplaces.
But Vancouver is taking its campaign to convince smokers to butt out into new territory with a municipal ban on smoking… outdoors.
The Vancouver Park Board has voted unanimously to ban smoking in more than 200 city parks and on all city beaches.
The prohibition is to take effect Sept. 1.
The B.C. Civil Liberties Association says the move ignores the rights of smokers.
And critics say there are already littering bylaws that could be better enforced to deal with cigarette butts, if that is the issue.
” Unless they can find a lawyer who will work on contingency (doubtful), there is no benefit to pursuing legal action. The time and money involved in such an action would cost far more than $20K. They may wish to pursue a small claims action to at least reclaim some of their money.”
Actually, I think this might fall within the “small claims” court action.(In B.C. the limit is $20000) Small claims in a case like this works almost opposite to the HRC insofar as a person can represent themselves therefore limiting the expense to a hundred dollars or so while the city, while not required to have a lawyer, would probably choose to have a lawyer represent them.(you know how bureuacracy’s work. No one other than a lawyer would do it because its “not my job”)
And for big companies or government its often cheaper to settle than go to court.
Horny Toad, that’s interesting. I know it varies by jurisdiction, but generally didn’t think small claims limits went much over $5-$10K — heh, I’m probably about 25 years out of date in this regard. Out of curiosity, I did a search in Bing, and discovered the small claims limit in both Ontario and B.C. is actually $25,000. So, these folks should consider small claims action.
You outline the very reasons I suggested SCC as a potential avenue of recourse for these folks — it’s cheap to file, one can represent oneself, and is wrapped up quickly (waiting for the actual court date notwithstanding).
The Vancouver Park Board has voted unanimously to ban smoking in more than 200 city parks and on all city beaches.
The prohibition is to take effect Sept. 1.
The demonizing of Smoking is always followed with a TAX increase. It’s the process of taxing the Middle Class without blow back.. It’s about the Money..follow the money
The First thing Obama did was add a Smoking TAX, YES! he taxed the Middle Class
The Vancouver Park Board has voted unanimously to ban smoking in more than 200 city parks and on all city beaches.
The prohibition is to take effect Sept. 1.
The demonizing of Smoking is always followed with a TAX increase. It’s the process of taxing the Middle Class without blow back.. It’s about the Money..follow the money
The First thing Obama did was add a Smoking TAX, YES! he taxed the Middle Class
Fred2 said:”. . . a bare minimum of dog psychology can prevent bad situations from getting worse.”
Can you say that with a straight face to the children who get set upon by dogs before they can figure out the “dog psychology”??
I know it is a bit off topic, but people should know that the Liberal MP’s who have voted so far to end the long gun registry have been told by Iggy that they had better vote no on the next reading or face discipline.