Climategate
Glaciergate
Pachaurigate
Hurricanegate
World Wildlifegate
Amazongate
Greenpeacegate
Studentdissertationandmagazinearticlegate.
In its most recent report, [the IPCC] stated that observed reductions in mountain ice in the Andes, Alps and Africa was being caused by global warming, citing two papers as the source of the information.
However, it can be revealed that one of the sources quoted was a feature article published in a popular magazine for climbers which was based on anecdotal evidence from mountaineers about the changes they were witnessing on the mountainsides around them.
The other was a dissertation written by a geography student, studying for the equivalent of a master’s degree, at the University of Berne in Switzerland that quoted interviews with mountain guides in the Alps.
Related: Looking for heat in all the wrong places. Ladies, brace for swoon.
andycanuck
[…..That’s interesting about the Swiss student because I’ve read a blog commenter (I think at Tim Blair’s) reporting on a Swiss vacation saying the National Park (equivalent) guides point out that the particular glacier he was visiting was smaller in Roman days than today.]
I have investigated this to a minor point.
It appears that after Rome finally over-ran Switzerland that it was criss-crossed by their road system….logically shortening their routes into Gaul and the Rhinelands.
Many maps exist showing roads traversing passes still blocked by glaciers.
Geologists and archeologists have traced those roads into those passes and under the contemporary glaciers.
Any doubt that the Roman Warming didn’t exist or was not as warm as now, is debunked by those roads.
In other places, Alpine Gold Mines have been recently exposed which were sealed off/buried by glaciers. These mines were worked during the Roman and Medieval Climate Optimimums.
The Roman Empire didn’t end because of corruption or decadence some much as the end of the Warming Period caused crop failures/economic collapse and drove asian nomads from the steppes to warmer climates….a climate caused migration.
The Silk Road did not close due to Islam so much as the mountains became impassible…..which inspired the sudden adoption of alternative sea routes—-the AGE of Discovery—colonization.
Perhaps what we are witnessing is a geo-political change…..which is not to be effected by either climate or scandal over the long haul.
That’s interesting, sasquatch, unlike the trolls and concern trolls here today.
I recall the Blair [?] commenter reporting something about the guides discussing archaelogical evidence like Roman finds being discovered at points that had once been completely glaciated, but he didn’t go into details as you have. Thanks. Another arrow in the quiver against ‘unprecedented’ global warming.
Swoon alert? More like cringe/puke/run away as fast as you freakin can Alert….
So while politicians are still running with the idea cap & trade, Kyoto, Copenhagen and all the other eco-greenie stuff in the belief that they are saving their sheeple, I mean constituents, from oblivion, Minnesotans are discovering that their foreign bought windmills need block heaters.
http://tinyurl.com/yzq9mar
Apologies for the run-on sentence. I sucked at grammar in school.
Geo-political change … sure. Recall Evan Sayet?
Just chalk this up as another issue that the left are on the wrong side of.
OMMAG: So, if the left are on the wrong side of this issue, what side are the Harper CPC on?
http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Canada+signs+Copenhagen+pact/2418235/story.html
sasquatch @ 2:17, nice find. Care to give some sources, as I find that era fascinating and have never read anything in this vein. It sure helps to explain a lot of why certain socio-economic events occurred.
Don’t worry about liberal trolls, as reality begins for them sometime in the mid 1800s with Karl Marx.
Socialists called to “war”.
This is why Liberal Iffy and his Liberal/socialists are mute/silent re AGW FRaud.
The time has come for Environment Minister Prentice to declare his choice: defend Canada’s interest or resign.
…-
“To my compatriots in the UK: Beware of Ed Miliband’s war on skeptics
When I read this declaration of “war” against global warming skeptics, I struggled with what to say:
Climate secretary Ed Miliband broke his silence on the ongoing row about man-made climate change by declaring war on the “siren voices” who denied global warming was real or man-made.
My initial reaction was that Ed Miliband crossed some sort of line, but instead of just railing against him, I paused to think about it.
Governments declare “war” all the time, it seems. They’ll declare a “war against crime” or a “war against poverty”.
Why does this seem different? Is it merely because I’d be the target of Ed Miliband’s war if I lived in the UK?
So I thought more about it, and I began to understand what made me see this as different, on an intuitive level..
First, take a “war against crime” (or any specific crime, like a “war against drunk driving”). A crime is defined by law (debated and passed by democratically elected legislatures), and enforced by the courts, at arms length from the government. To fight the “war”, the government might allocate additional resources to law enforcement, but that is a change in intensity. And when a criminal is arrested, he is processed through the justice system with all the rights and protections given to any citizen accused of a crime, and with the onus on the government to prove its case. The “war on crime” does not alter that.
If I voiced doubts about the global warming alarmism, am I doing anything illegal? Of course not. As a citizen of the UK, I would have a right to voice those doubts, as loudly as I care to. There is no law against it, so how can the British government justify this “war”? This isn’t like a “war on crime”, since there is no crime being committed.
So criminal justice is a formal, well-defined, process, and it’s obvious how a “war on crime” is different from a “war on global warming skeptics”. What about something less well defined, like a “war on poverty” (or “war on illiteracy” and the like)? How can I feel less offended by the notion of such a “war”?
Poverty is something that is objectively undeniable. It is a not a potential future outcome, but a present reality. And despite it’s objective reality, we can (and do) debate how to draw the the line to define poverty, what its underlying causes are, and how to best address the issue.
Indeed, we seem to tolerate more debate on a real issue like poverty than we do on global warming, which is predicted by computer models. And by “we”, I mean people like Ed Miliband.
This “war on skeptics” is not like a “war on crime” or a “war on poverty”, and now I understand why. It’s not because I’m the bad guy in it.” (more)
http://stevejanke.com/archives/297676.php
http://www.bluelikeyou.com/2010/01/31/why-is-the-truth-so-inconvenient/#comment-73811
Cjunk …. no doubt about it … they are pandering to the leftards. That does not make anything these self described progressives say or do any more correct. It makes them as wrong on this issue as all other stripes of politicians.
Unlike you it seems that I am in a position to do something about it.
I sent my messages on this matter to the party.. the PM … my MP and the fool Prentice. In this I pointed out the denial of my funds to the party and to my MP as well as the intention to bring this up at EDA meetings where I have in the past helped to raise significant funds.
I also gave a couple other MPs a earfull in person when they were pressing me at a fundraiser back in December and refused to make contributions at their event.
I have also informed other independent local fundraisers including former MPs and former candidates that if they are not fighting this garbage they are as much on the wrong side of the issues as the likes of Jack Layton and Stephane Dion. I will not sit by and suffer idiots.
What did you do?
OMMAG: We must be related, I did the same thing. I was a very signifant donar at one time and a party worker … I was stunned at the blow-off I got when communicating my concerns … and I communicated them rationally and respectfully.
Funny how arrogant the CPC insiders have become.
OMMAG
good for you
you should also direct these incompetents to this blog/and/or WUWT
Edward Teach
this is a discussion about one of the biggest frauds ever, and you whine about a “suffix” (gate), dood, let me know when you bump into the real world!!!
If they had any courage and honor they’d disembowel themselves with wakizashis.
I would happily volunteer to be their kaishaku.
Message to Environment Minister Prentice:
Have you seen/read this*?
This is more evidence of the UN-IPCC-AGW Fraud. The link is below.
RSVP with your comments.
“*It is now official: The IPCC is citing self-acknowledged guesswork from non-scientific sources.”
…-
“*The story of the Geography Major’s Dissertation
A big story in climate science right now is the fact that the IPCC relied on a mountain magazine and a graduate student’s dissertation as their citations for a specific claim in their Fourth Assessment Report. However there are few details, so I decided to do some digging. I found out a bit about the dissertation.
I believe this is the dissertation. It is written by this man, Dario-Andri Schwörer, also here. He was a student at the Geographical Institute of the Universities of Berne and Zurich, which is where he wrote his dissertation in or before 1997. He is now an avid outdoors-men, and a self-described ‘well known expert on the impact of climate change in the Alps’. Right now he is engaged in the TOPtoTOP program to promote climate protection.
The dissertation itself is titled:
An Inquiry into Possible Effects of Climatic Change on the Mountain Guide Trade in the Bernina Region
Subtitled:
Geography Major Dissertation
by
SCHWÖRER DARIO-ANDRI
carried out at the Geographical Institute of the Universities of Berne and Zurich
The dissertation itself is not entirely about climate change. In fact, he mentions the number one reason that mountain guides give for decreased climbs is not climate change, but:
“They attribute this decrease in the first place to the recession and the high exchange rate of the Swiss franc in relation to the German mark. In the second place they mention changes of the natural environment.”
That wasn’t mentioned in the AR4. The ambiguity continues:” (more)
http://climatequotes.com/2010/01/31/the-story-of-the-geography-major-dissertation/
http://stevejanke.com/archives/297676.php
Ken Kulak:
I guess you could google such things as alpine glaciers, roman roads, barbarian invasions–migration routes—
Much of this I have devined from reading various media. Marco Polo wrote of difficult travelling over the Pamirs…..however even that is controversial—if Polo had indeed made his trek to Cathy to the court of Kublai Khan(I doubt he did)—howcum he never mentioned TEA?
I doubt it is a coincidence that the Greenland Vikings were froze out about 1300, that Scandanavia ceased to be a potent factor in European Geo-politics after 1300, the Silk Road closed about 1300 and the Mongols were defeated by the Manchurians about 1300. A general decline in Mediterranean trade likely weakened the moslem hegemony enough to encourage/aid the long Spanish Reconquista—-which culminated in 1492.
It is not much of a leap to realize that the end of the Roman Warming affected Eurasian crops/grazing much like the ending of the Medieval Warming. The barbarian invasions of the Roman Empire were likely a manifestation of a migration of economic/climate refugees from the steppes. Birds and critters migrate as well.
Indeed the Great Plagues occurred during the Little Ice Age—-stressed, malnourished folk succumb to infection/disease more than the healthy and well feed….basic animal husbandry.
Are none of you paying attention? PMSH came out in Davos saying that even if we wanted to curb our emissions, the technology does not exist. He has also been up front that he will do nothing that puts us at a disadvantage to our largest trading partner. He is a chess player, every move is plotted several steps in advance. He certainly is not stupid and is a trained economist. He is also a prgamatist ande deals with the art of the possible. With AGW going down in flames he can sign the Copenhagen agreement knowing full well that he will never have to deliver. Meanwhile he has bought time for the full mess to come out and for public opinion to come around re AGW and the fraud.
I think it was a great move.
sasquatch, 8:12, thanks. I thought maybe I had forgotten what Gibbons said in “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” or the other Roman history books I have and that you had some specific source material. It is too bad that history books generally ignore geographical or climatic changes.
Not that today’s ideological fanatics would bother educating themselves.
This amount of stuff going through a gate requires a turn style.
Napolean opined that an army marches on it’s stomach.
What I find interesting is the vast oddysey the Alans made….initially north out of the transcaucasis (moving north during warming) then west finally settling in North Africa via the Iberian Peninsula…..to be assimilated into the North African population….
Other migrated north out of Persia unto the stepps than back south into Afghanistan hence to India…..was climate luring the north then driving the south?
No answers just a lot of questions….as it should be….I do try not to jump to confusions.
From a UK climate realist site, a little bit of further information on the “They did it, but cannot be charged” excuse by the British Authorities.
Apparently they can:
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=5017&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ClimaterealistsNewsBlog+%28ClimateRealists+News+Blog%29
A million scientists can’t be wrong … splash!!!
If Kate was a paper or magazine its quite possible she would have had a Pulitzer for all the work she’s put in exposing these frauds.
I know I appreciate it.
I give the NYT the Putz award.