….about Canada capturing foreign nationals in a foreign nation can be summed up in three clauses:
- Release them,
- Hand them over,
- Create a Canadian POW Camp in Canada.
Pick one.
….about Canada capturing foreign nationals in a foreign nation can be summed up in three clauses:
Pick one.
How about we bring them to the mess hall, ply them with strong eggnog and sing rousing rounds of “We wish you a merry Christmas” All while the aromas of roasting ham and turkey and stuffing waft through the air. I’m sure that would solve all the problems.
You forgot the other one which the lefties would like.
-A personal nanny assigned to each one who can pamper them.
I actually wouldn’t mind this. As long as it is Liberal, Bloc and NDP sitting parliament members who are sent over to do the nannying. Maybe with them over there we could get some work done over here in the form of “governing”.
So, is “shoot them” not an option? DAMN IT! Why do the REALLY good options never make the cut?
I agree with Davers, Shoot-Shovel-Shutup
I have NEVER been able to figure out why all the fuss.
The object of our soldiers is to find them and KILL them. That is the harshest treatment there is. But if we don’t accomplish that or fail to kill them we then want to treat them like royalty. It doesn’t make much sense to me.
Horny Toad
Yep, I have to go along with unwritten option four.
No prisoners no controversy.
think like a liberal HT.
Boob Rae and the Igster have already “demanded” we bring back Omar Khadr. and CBCpravda is up over 1000 stories on Khadrs on their website.
how much more support for a terrorist puke can one ask?
Let the popular press draw comparisons between how prisoners are treated in Afghanistan, North Korea and China and then take a look at how WE treat them. That will never happen, of course, I’m just saying.
No- do not let foreign combatants anywhere NEAR Canada. We have enough problems already.
I’ll go with option 2 since it’s the least objectionable of the choices.
We don’t execute prisoners. We don’t torture them. So what’s the big deal?
This whole thing is starting to really p*ss me off.
Knackers suggestion has a lot of merit…..as far as making the lefty’s see the light….they would interest in multiculturalism for life.
Realistically, this is a problem with no clear, or readilly viable solution.
Abiding by the Geneva Protocols—(prompt execution of un-uniformed illegal combatants) is not workable.
Taking prisoners results in less casualties—-
Hypothetically….consider the result if the German troops who surrendered at Stalingrad had fought to the last bullet…..in hind-sight they had nothing to lose….very few survived Soviet incarceration.
Hypothetically, the resulting die-hard action would have weakened the Red Army victors considerably. Simple math.
Davers & Unclemeat Have the right idea.
If just handing over the detainees causes such a mess in parliament, imagine if the shoot, shovel and shut-up scenario was ever discovered.
unfortunately, this is what happens when you shoot …
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2008848
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what’s wrong with canadian military standard operating procedure…
you know… videotaping our soldiers pushing them to their knees
& sawing their heads off and airing the footage…
wait a minute…
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What happened to “Rule 303”?
I’m all for option three if they promise to make the POW camps all in Ottawa,within site of the parliament buildings.
The Liberal and NDP politicians can visit every day after work and convince them to turn a new leaf in their lives.
Though option four WOULD be better.
Send ’em to live with Jack Layton and that twit he’s married to.
The MSM consumes itself on this subject. Oh well, look at it this way they’re not talking about tasers, shreiber or kadhr then.
McCleans had a pol – the only question they wouldn’t ask – the white elephant, is; ‘Who cares?’
The political left are showing us what they truely stand up for and support, sadly it’s not the troops they sent to war it’s our enemy the Taliban. Can’t say I’m surprised the political left smoozed with the pro-Hamas/Hizballah/Tiger crowd for decades.
I keep asking the oh I’m all for rule of law (for Khadr not our troops) what Rule of engagement the troops broke? The answer is none, if the poliitcal left want to wet their pants in outrage why aren’t they venting said anger at NATO who enacts the ROEs?
Bye the way I now HATE MSM or Lame Street Media, I’m boycotting them for a life time. Except Christine she rocks but the Gob sucks.
You neglected option four:
Bring them to Canada, give them citizenship and all the associated entitlements.
They can do the work that Canadians do not want to do, or, shall I say, have not been doing since the end of the War of 1812. They can form militias and launch raids upon American soil. Canada can be the new Cambodia, and Highway 401 renamed the Ho Chi Minh trail.
As long as we abide by the Geneva Convention.
It does appear that the Conservative government was taking steps to deal with possible transgressions by the Afghan forces so honestly I don’t know what all the fuss is about.
Amendment to third choice: Send them to the big CBC building in Toronto.
I love how these bleeding heart socialists insist that we shouldn’t tell other countries (cultures) how to do things except somehow we are supposed to not turn over Afgan prisoners to the Afgans because they don’t like what happens. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways folks. Bunch of hypocrits.
Biffy; Canada is in Afganistan to try and bring a semblance of democracy to that country.We have NO intention of it being a part of Canada.We should give the prisoners to the Afgan authorities and if we dont like what they do to them,LEAVE.
Hand them over.
biffjr. at December 12, 2009 3:50 PM
I agree, but with the caveat that we should kill them before the become prisoners.
Shoot them. The Geneva Convention does not apply to
nonuniformed combatants.
This issue is not about the treatment of detainees or the honour of the troops. This is about denigrating the conservative gov’t through our troops. CBC has been running at least one article a day on the subject.Every time new information comes to light it is touted as a ‘bombshell’ development. This is purely political,aided and abetted by our taxes.The CBC regularly presents former Liberal operatives as non-aligned commentators.Susan Smith,John Duffy,and Don Drummond,are 3 that come to mind,and there are many more.Peter Donalo(?)was another. I would not be surprised at all if the CBC and the Liberals meet regularly to map out strategy. FIRE.THEM.ALL.
Alright so we can’t shoot them. So then build a POW camp in Canada. Baffin Island would be a good choice. You wouldn’t even need to put walls up. I wonder how many would be begging to be transferred to Gitmo.
I just have to ask, why is it that ONLY the “detainees” ( oh how I hate that term) handed over by Canadian troops seem to get abused?
What about the ones handed over by the other half dozen Countries’ troops?
Or is it that the other Countries MSM are a bit more grown up and don’t hate their government as much as ours do?
mike @ 3:04. how about a little Bulls Milk at the New Years levy with rousing verses of kumbaya.
sasquatch @ 3:54, about 5 thousand survived out of 90 thousand. I can remember seeing pictures, about 100 to a page and a number of pages, of missing soldiers in the German magazine Der Spiegel in Ontario during the 1950s.
More or less the same problem was encountered with
the hijacker/terrorists of the `70s. When captured
they were the objects of further terrorism to get
them released, or lengthy trials. The solution was
not to capture any alive. And it did solve the
problem.
One hasn’t heard much recently of Canadian
forces taking live captives ….
It is a good idea to let your enemy surrender. Banzai charges are destructive.
But I’m not sure what Stalingrad proves. The Germans were exhausted, and the Russians were utterly indifferent to the lives of their own men. It has been said that the Eastern Front was a contest between Hitler and Stalin to see who could kill the most Russians – with
Stalin winning easily.
Set up a POW facility in downtown T.O. Have volunteers from the local LPC and NDP see to all of their needs. Actually no, not a facility, but in Bob Rae’s home, and Iggy’s home and Layton’s home. The ‘prisoners’ can babysit the kids while the parents are out.
I agree with Davers, Shoot-Shovel-Shutup
Posted by: Unclemeat at December 12, 2009 3:31 PM
i would modify that slightly to: Shutup-Shovel-Shoot
more efficient that way.
I thought I was the only one that was politically incorrect enough to say shoot, shovel and shut up at SDA.
Shoot, shovel and shut up is a reaction, I say, READY, ABOUT TURN, AIM, FIRE.
No prisoners, no problem…
Only in Canada is it possible to make such a big thing out of nothing. Wallyj is right of course in identifying the motive behind it all.
As we are not there to colonise the Afghans, the normal procedure is what we are doing: handing over captured terrorists to the Afghans. What they do with them is frankly none of our business.
Re. option 3, I always thought there must be a large, abandoned warehouse up near Alert, Nunavut, to accommodate some of these guys. It’s the least we can do.
@ ulianov:
I don’t care if the Cons knew or didn’t know torture was going on.
The fact that unlike the previous liberals, they were taking steps to ensure proper management of caputured terrorists as if they were soldiers under the Geneva convention. (who yes I know are actually not provided any protection under the Geneva convention other than to be tried as per the laws of controlled country)
That is the truth the media is conveniently ignoring in this obvious slap.
POW camp . . . 200 miles north of Yellowknife.
No barbed wire needed and the
Bury them in sand up to their chest and have women in burkas throw rocks at them.
HORNY TOAD actually that would be the kindest thing you could do for them they would then be transported to “Paradise” tm and attended to by 73 (seventy three) doe eyed virgins as their reward for being stand-up jihad kinda homeys as least that seems to be what their advertising indicates, of course no ones ever come back to verify, but hey, sounds logical to people whose calander is hovering below the 1000 years ago mark. Do they have any views on “Global warming”??Just askin’. Kinda cool really “BOOM” yer gettin’ laid BIG TIME!
Po’ed in Ab.
Rule 303 was replaced with Rule 5.56/223.
How about setting up a charity to lift them out of their poverty and religious indoctrination.Call it ‘Dosanjh’s Kids’ and have the liberals kick in funding from the missing millions. Or Gagliano Winery will be looking into the seasonal agricultural workers program shortly for grape pickers,wages once again to be paid from the missing millions. Or a libdip mentoring program.Every libdip gets their own personal misguided taliwag to care and feed and mentor 24/7.Again no cost to taxpayers as the liberals will pay from the missing millions. Or we could send the lib/dip caucus to Afganistan and they could help our troops clear IED’s by foring a procession,marching in front,playing New Orleans funeral music. Personally I like Uncleat @ 3.31
Only in Canada indeed.
Ah poor dear Iggy and much abused Rae. Torn at the very heartstrings over the Afghans. No doubt wake up in the morning and find their pillows wet with tears.
“Oh the humanity, oh the humanity”, (as the man cried when the Hindenburg went down at Lakehurst). Quoting Robert Burns: “Man’s inhumanity to man makes countless thousands mourn” . We can all shed a tear for the trials of Iggy and Rae. Such sensitive compassionate beings.
Yep, only in Canada, feelings for the murdering treacherous swines killing our troops.
Nothing reminds our cultural elite of the need for ethics more than anything that would perhaps return them to power where the patronage vaults could be rescued from the infidels.
Hence, the crocodile tears being shed over the fate of these Taliban detainees.
I’ll bet the average feminist Liberal is really broken up thinking of how those woman-haters are being knocked about in some dungeon somewhere.
Yeah, right. How ironic is it that Canadian conservatives are the only ones who seem to care about the fate of ordinary women and children in Afghanistan? We’re supposed to be the patriarchal dinosaurs — yet the progressives are more concerned with how the barbarians are being treated.
My POV is simple, if somebody comes at any civilized nation wanting to fight outside the bounds of international law and the Geneva convention, then we should treat them like aliens from outer space, and beat the crap out of them any time, any place they show up.
After all they’ve done (and I don’t restrict it to 9-11 but that’s the most obvious example) they should expect nothing more from us. The fact that they sometimes get more is due mostly to our angst and not to our sensibility.
I’ll say this too, I’m a so-con and a natural Alliance type of conservative, but I’ve always respected Peter Mackay, I think the man has integrity and I hope the whole conservative movement rallies around him as he seems to be under attack from the progressive coalition nowadays. I have a hunch this may be related to his stand-up position on Liberal entitlement as it affects the DND. Say no more, you connect the dots in that little war, man.
IF we should send our soldiers to Afghanistan to catch live Taliban for polar bear food we might be in contravention of the Geneva Convention. However we would be making up for the melting ice caps.
Torture stories, corruption stories, atrocity stories, casualty count stories full of crocodile tears, everything old journalism and politics in the wake of post Tet offensive Vietnam is new journalism and politics again in Afghanistan.
Rutherford said the guy was beaten with a shoe, buy his own country’s army. That’s not torture. That’s one step below a feather duster. Torture ain’t what it used to be, I mean most Liberals get that sort of treatment on weekends. George Bush almost got tortured but he ducked.
Aghanistan tortures people?
Really?
Perhaps the problem is that Afghanistan tortures people.