They mean 16 “years”, don’t they?
Don’t they???
Get me the little bastards’ names. I’ll see to it they get published, Youth “Criminal Justice” Act be damned.
They mean 16 “years”, don’t they?
Don’t they???
Get me the little bastards’ names. I’ll see to it they get published, Youth “Criminal Justice” Act be damned.
> Aaron, I think we’re basically on the same page, but arguing over minutiae.
Yes, in my mind I was not arguing with you, just sort of nodding and adding a comment. Good or bad, for the first 10-15 years in life children can’t make their own informed decisions for lack of life experience, and it’s the parent’s responsibility to teach them (specially girls) how to stay out of trouble in broad sense, not just how to fight of a robber or rapist.
> Then I suppose you also must know how difficult it is to defend against knives
Oh, yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that it is enormously difficult to defend oneself against a skilled knife fighter. but it is also an illusion that knife is dangerous in anyone’s hands. For a novice any object in hand is a burden rather than weapon. I can go lengths into the subject, but more important is the point that trained individuals more often than not would not have been chosen as victims.
> Things don’t fall together in real life like they do in the dojo’s.
Most common dojos should be avoided at all cost.
The YCJA is some more legacy from that rotten bast*rd PET.
“How many parents actually think about possibility of their kids having to defend themselves and the loved ones so seriously,”
O/T
I do, and every parent of girls should do the same. My 14yr daughter is a boxer and my 10yr old is a provincial wrestling champ. That being said, I think you’re being a little naive (Aaron) suggesting that self-defense would have protected this girl from these two teens. Another common fallacy is that taking “Karate” will make your kid tough. Wrong! Kids and people that like to fight and who are good at it do it, they fight. Although learning self defense assists in confidence and crisis management, unless you’re street savvy and experienced you can get yourself into big trouble overestimating your skills. Most of that stuff is for confidence boosting and personal development.JMO
IMO the mistake made by the victim(s) was splitting-up. The boyfriends cowardice is appalling but that’s a separate issue.
“Oh, yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that it is enormously difficult to defend oneself against a skilled knife fighter. but it is also an illusion that knife is dangerous in anyone’s hands.”
I know where you’re coming from. We aren’t talking “anyone” here though. We are talking about bad guys who have no doubt been in lots of fights in their lives and they have knives. You have to get into their strike zone and that’s dangerous. Any weapons instructor I know will tell you to run and not fight. If you’re cornered it’s going to be bad. You are going to get cut and your body will go into shock. You have to win the fight quickly. Then call the ambulance.
Very few people can survive a close quarter fight when the other guy has a knife. Most people don’t want to spend their whole life getting that good. They hope maybe the police and courts keep the crazy people off the streets.
wrt the thread.
I have no doubt that if the brother or father of the victim (her) get their hands on these punks they’ll get more than 16 months.
Indiana Homez said. “I have no doubt that if the brother or father of the victim (her) get their hands on these punks they’ll get more than 16 months.”
I think the Police should take the punks to the victims house and handcuff them to the radiator in the basement and then leave. Then we’ll have justice.
The vigilantes will come when the law won’t! Who was it that said . . . “all it takes for evil to prosper is for a good man to do nothing!? Good men . . . DO THE JOB!
Aaron said “Most common dojos should be avoided at all cost.”
Agreed. You’d be better off sending your kids to dance class than the local karate school. They are more interested in handing out belts and trophies than teaching your kid how to fight. I’ve seen a few black belts get pounded badly in parking lots by mediocre street fighters.
The “victim impact statement” is of a piece with the kind of flannel we see with “hate crimes legislation”. We should not, for example, treat the theft of a car from a person with 4 BMWs and restored Studebaker pick-up any differently from the theft of the car of a single-mother who has to drive 50 miles to get to her minimum-wage job. The law, of course, may well consider many mitigating factors when sentencing a criminal, but the random impact of the crime on any given victim shouldn’t be one of them.
Bottom line my friends, we live in a society where we are forbidden to defend ourselves, and the government will not defend us either. Particularly when the perpetrators are ethnic minorities. That is the facts, jack.
Question: Which political party presided over the creation of this farce? Who passed the Young Offenders Act? The gun registry? Who decided to set the bar for self defense so high an arch angel out of heaven couldn’t measure up?
So if you don’t like the way it is, don’t vote for the imbeciles who made it this way in the next election.
/.rant
By the way. For all you armchair quarterbacks, the correct and intelligent thing to do when faced with multiple armed assailants, when you are unarmed, is to RUN. Run like a f-ing deer and GET HELP. Or you are going to -die-. Which will not help your girlfriend one little bit.
Phantom said “Run like a f-ing deer and GET HELP”.
It is the smart thing to do. Did the guy actually run and get help or did he just run? You call 911 with an armed robbery/kidnapping in progress and they respond in minutes. I think the boyfriend just wandered home.
it’s really disgusting to think that it is true in Canuckistan that if you are skilled or lucky enough to turn the tables on an assailant, YOU are then put in the hot seat and face very expensive legal bills and still do time.
another accident of birth I guess; born in wussy Canadia where it is sternly frowned upon when one ‘takes the law in their own hands’ of some such jingoistic excuse to perpetuate this abomination of a legal system. I don’t call it justice system, it is legal but sure as horse manuvre aint just.
you people know Im not talking stereotype alarmist either.
one more reason I will NOT vote lieberal.
One thing you could do is go to a public computer where you don’t have to sign in. Open a new e-mail on yahoo or msn, use a pen name, and e-mail the name to as many people as possible. Close the account before you go home, and whatever you do, don’t open your own e-mails while you’re there.
Aaron:
Job well done blaming the victim of these rapists. Would you happen to be a member of either ones defense team? Wouldn’t it be the parents of these gang members that failed this girl, and not her parents?
I’ve been fighting, and training fighters for over 30 years. Most martial arts are sports. They have rules, and procedures. People who devote that much time to a disciplined sport have little time to learn how to street fight. In fact, street fighting is strongly discouraged. It teaches bad habits, and can lead to injuries, or legal problems.
That said, I do know how to hit people. It helps to know that much, at least. Now, I carry weapons. Everywhere I go. It embarrasses my kids, to no end. Knives can cause terrible injuries, in the blink of an eye. An old friend of mine grabbed one by the blade, and ripped it from a guy’s hand. His hand was horribly slashed, but he lived to tell about it. I carry something a bit nastier.
I understand the boy running for help. It really was the best thing to do. If he’d gotten stabbed, the bad guys might have killed the girl, for good measure. I ran for help once, when a friend was getting kicked. I was 13, and the guys were all in their 20s. It was the right thing to do, even if I felt like a coward.
The no-identification policy has been a travesty since the Young Offenders Act was passed in 1983 or 1984. Not only should the provision be repealed, but this should be backdated, so all perpetrators since 1983 can be identified. What can’t be done, of course, is to impose tougher penalties retroactively, which is an affront to justice even if they were deserved (the Supreme Court, given its BC smoking bill ruling in 2005, may disagree; however, I’ve already called that one the most evil decision the Court has ever handed down).
The no-identification rule is a clear violation of the freedom of expression provisions in the Charter of Rights. It’s one thing to maintain secrecy regarding victims of sexual assault, but quite another to do it for criminals.
Another thing: the no-identification policy itself is surely Marxist in origin. What else could explain the ludicrous situation that arises when a “young offender” can be identified (on a judge’s order) for a few days while the cops are trying to apprehend him? Once they get him, it’s back to being illegal to identify him — even though everybody already knows now. Are we supposed to bash ourselves in the head with hammers so we forget?
Good on you, Kate. If you get the name of that little rat-bastard I for one will donate gladly to your defence fund.
Enough of this horse-shit (on my! did I actually spell that out?)
The time has come that we need to hold these creeps accountable for the horrible shi_ they do!
Go for it girl!! Publish the name if your spirit tells you you must!!
I’m sure somewhere there’s a facebook group openly discussing this case and the names of those involved.
To think rapists in this Country used to be whipped once a month for this heinous crime. Now its become a pastime for the psycho’s & a religious duty by Islamists.
This is what happens when the criminal rehabilitation becomes more important than the public safety.
It also shows how slowly Women are being DE-humanised with loss of respect.
I wonder sometimes if its just not Islamofacists eroding female rights. but certain women hating elements that are female. Themselves trying to keep younger Women down?
As for youth crime its a joke. The rancid Indian affairs have not helped by making Natives into Children. As well in our society parents have had their parental rights stolen or let go for their own ease. Moral relativism isn’t a help either
JMO
How my sentiment could be stretched into blaming the victim is beyond me.
There is difference between saying ‘it’s her fault, she should have learned boxing’ and ‘parents should be more involved in their children’s progress’.
Re traditional karate: what other word could I use? karate is around, one can start at a local club and move up more serious stuff. as well as aikido. Anyway, the key words are ‘self defense’ and there is no point in arguing ‘boxing vs karate’ or ‘judo vs aikido’ here – that’s technicalities. Kids must learn how to defend themselves, period. Blaming imperfections of particular style is just an admission of failure to pursue it rigorously enough.
Kate, it’s the boyfriend’s name that should get published. He left that girl in the hands of those freaks rather than stand up to them. He deserted her. Publish his name with a big caption “Sniveling Coward gives girlfriend to Rapists’.
INP- I think it’s your name that should get published, tough guy. I’ll bet $10,000.00 that you, Aaron, and almost anybody else who comments, would run from 2 native gangsters with knives. Running for help saved both their lives, and got convictions for the attackers. Macho asshole.
INP – Think back a couple of years ago in Regina a good samaritan named Moser came to the aid of someone being beaten outside a club. He ended up with a knife in his gut and is now 6 feet under.
dp is absolutely correct that the kid did the right thing. If you thought about this thing for longer than two seconds you’d remember that the assault stopped when the little bastards saw the cops coming. Without the kid alerting them that this assault was going on who knows what the end result would have been. He just might have saved the girl’s life by leaving the scene and getting the cops.
No……maybe you want to reconsider your previous post.
Here’s what you do…
There is a theory called the six degrees of separation, where anyone on Earth is separated by only six other individuals from anyone else.
To find out who these little punks are, merely ask anyone and everyone you know if they know, and get them to do the same with whom they know, and to get back to you.
It’s a smaller world than you think!
The boyfriend did the right thing, IF he ran directly for help.
I agree with Indiana Homez assessment that martial arts is a confidence builder and crisis management tool – Which goes a long way on today’s dangerous streets. I practiced TKD for 5 years, there’s always someone bigger, faster and stronger than any fighter at any given time. Indeed the physical skills to win a fight have nothing over a mind prepared to fight.
Self defense is a great tool for kids to learn, in fact any physical sport that demands their body’s top fitness levels will rule over lazy street thugs smoking cigarettes and drinking beer.
The idea of the boyfriend staying to fight is a noble thought; in fact if he was wise enough to assess the situation as a losing one, he did what any great general would have done if grievously outnumbered with a means of retreat. Lose the battle with minimal losses and then regroup to win the overall war.